Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

So was Colin Montgomery

 

.... saying he was ready for a new challenge!

[ooohTerryHurlock]

Good. Rather Cortese did it now and got on with it rather than just waiting around. Should have done it Pre Season but bottled it.

 

Anyway I'd heard rumours a while back about this being on the cards and Pardew wanting out too but it became a bit of a stand off. Something might have happened to trigger it. Reed has been looking for a new manager for a while now, it was part of his duty when bought in, so I doubt it will be long before someone comes in.

 

Anybody but Shearer. Can't see O Neill or Eriksson as has been suggested but i'd be happy enough with Zola.

 

Why should he have done it pre season??? exactly?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

If someone comes in and gets us promoted with APs team, whilst you can say it is APs team, one can ask whether he would have got such consistent performances from them.

 

Sadly,we will never know the answer to that question,sad because many on here will say he would not have...

[S-Clarke]

Why should he have done it pre season??? exactly?

 

He should have done it when he was planning to do it, the back end of last season. Only certain people talked him out of it at that point.

 

Makes you wonder why he didn't just get it done there and then if all was really not well.

[CWD]

just heard from a good sorce,alan shearer our next boss

 

Who is your source?

 

MASSIVE risk to get rid of a proven manager and replace him with a novice

[Nexstar]

Stuart Pearce was at the Bolton game last Tuesday.

 

Would be a brilliant appointment IMO

[Legod Third Coming]

What a feckng idiot Cortese turns out. No different from Lowe.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Right, just woken up to this news, and here is my two pence worth...

 

This decision is bat **** mental. What the **** is going through your head Cortese? I have vehemently defended you against the naysayers, but you know that, this is ****ing ridiculous. Nicola, you are a megalomanic, a ***t, and I no longer want you anywhere near my football team.

 

**** off.

[locks heath saint 2]

Amazed !!!

So sorry for AP, after a wonderful day out yesterday, makes you wonder whether when he gave such a big thank you to the supporters after the game he knew or guessed his time was up?

As usual we have reverted to sacking the manager, I though they would give him until November to be top two?

Where does this leave any more signings JEES

NC better have something up his sleeve.

He`s likely in for some real stick now.

I cannot see how this is good for the club

Or is he manipulating things to exit,

medium term ?

Makes you wonder

A real low after the high of yesterday

[ALWAYS_SFC]

What a feckng idiot Cortese turns out. No different from Lowe.

 

Summed up perfectly in one line...

[PokingFun]

Darren now is not to the time to sn1gger at NickG and his ilk. They were wrong and we were right but I for one am not the sort who gets any satisfaction from saying "i was right all along" even though I was.

 

Then why mention it? ;-)

[ooohTerryHurlock]

He should have done it when he was planning to do it, the back end of last season. Only certain people talked him out of it at that point.

 

Makes you wonder why he didn't just get it done there and then if all was really not well.

 

Like I said - he could n't then becase obviousily Marcus was happy with the job that AP was doing - ultimately it as ML's club - he's not here now so NC probably gets the final word

[OldNick]

If someone comes in and gets us promoted with APs team, whilst you can say it is APs team, one can ask whether he would have got such consistent performances from them.

 

I dont think it is AP team. If you listened to NC last season he said then that the manager does not chose the players they have others doing that.The reason being that if the manager leaves things carry on the same and so not so much disruption.

[ottery st mary]

after a few years watching football nothing surprises you so it's not a shock, just slightly odd timing.

 

I'll reserve judgement until we see what the plan is, Cortese's structure is work in progress, let's see what he has in store and if it's crazy, let's go ape then.

 

However if Cortese's masterplan is amazing then let's just thank Pardew for his part in turning the club around when we were in crisis and being part of the rebuilding process, and then look forwards.

 

So I'll wait for more information before making a judgement.

 

 

The above statement sums it up for me...

 

Yes I am shocked and bewildered but then again I have been around long enough to know

that after my initial reaction the sun will shine again...

 

I will admit to some of you plonkers..

 

that peeps like me may well have egg on our pretty little faces..

but

life goes on and I will still be there supporting the mighty Saints.

 

Some of the main axe grinders may well have a grin on their smug little faces but hey ho in the main they

are Saints fans....I think?

 

Fluuuucking hell wot is goin on .......

 

Anyway moving on......

 

Who is the new manager.......

 

WIFM

 

 

 

ps

 

Forgot to say a BIG ...THANK YOU Alan Pardew..

Edited 30 August, 2010 by ottery st mary
forgot to thank Sir Alan Pardew

[Freemantle Saint]

Right, just woken up to this news, and here is my two pence worth...

 

This decision is bat **** mental. What the **** is going through your head Cortese? I have vehemently defended you against the naysayers, but you know that, this is ****ing ridiculous. Nicola, you are a megalomanic, a ***t, and I no longer want you anywhere near my football team.

 

**** off.

 

agree the mans a ****

 

i will laugh if he brings in shearer...did so well at newcastle didnt he....may as well get in barry fry.

[Saint_Mabes]

I'm so angry at this news. Had a lot of faith in Pardew, I liked him from the start and he grew on me from then on. I'd go as far as saying he was my favourite manager since I became obsessed with saints 8 years ago. Also just read 'Taking Le Tiss' and it sticks in my mind what a joke he thought having so many managers in such few years was - what would he think about this!

 

Joke! - This is Pardew's team, now a new manager has to do most of the hard work again.

[DG]

Mental, a complete joke and another season ruined. Why can't we have just one normal season? Where is NC going to find someone better than AP at this level?

 

Madness.

[Nexstar]

Mental, a complete joke and another season ruined. Why can't we have just one normal season? Where is NC going to find someone better than AP at this level?

 

Madness.

 

What is madness is people thinking this season is over. Finished. Done.

 

It's August, we have 43 games and 129 points to play for.

 

Get a grip.

[Leslie Charteris]

So, NC and AP did not get on... Well, I am sad for AP, I think he would have done the job for us this season. It seems there is plenty of stupidity around wherever you look.

 

I just hope NC has a plan and a replacement in mind, someone who is at ease with the apparent continental style club organisation. However, this quote from the OS is a tacit admission, in my view, that he neither has a plan or a successor in mind and that we might end up with nothing this season:

"We recognise that frequent changes to the football management are unlikely to assist in the winning of trophies and promotions. "

[Dr Who?]

If someone comes in and gets us promoted with APs team, whilst you can say it is APs team, one can ask whether he would have got such consistent performances from them.

 

I have no doubt that we would have gone up this season with AP, but I still feel we will go up. I think NC wants a manager in place now for when we reach the premier league. Right or wrong we will never know about AP. But what is done is done and I just hope we have a premier league manager lined up so we do not have to make another change when we get there.

[PokingFun]

How about the other side of the coin ? NC gave AP a second chance despite him ignoring his targets for last season, gave him the chance to hit the ground running with some transfer support, gave him a pre-season to get the team firing on all cylinders and like the rest of us was p*ssed off with how we lumbered into the season, and that the decision was made prior to the Rovers game ?

 

You obviously still have an axe to grind over the installment plan issue.

 

To be fair there are only a handful of people p*ssed off with the start of the season. It was pretty obvious that this team will be there or abouts come May when you look at the chances we have been creating this season. It was only a matter of time before we thrashed someone and that came against Rovers. I was not worried about the start at all as I could see we had firepower. Seems an odd decision with the timing of this.

[Mase]

Cannot get my head around this... As unprofessional as it may seem, my only conclusion is that someone has disliked AP for some time and has managed to get him the sack. Or he’s said something to upset Cortese. I don’t know... How can it be for purely footballing reasons?

[Colinjb]

Rediculous.

 

Stupid timing with the transfer window closing in only a few days, why not sack him in the off season?

 

We have played well in every single game this season but only looked a little rusty in front of goal.

 

We better have a good replacement lined up here, I am not happy.

[aintforever]

Sometimes I think SFC is cursed, this was supposed to be the year we walked the league. 4 games in and our billionare owner is dead, manager's sacked and we have a complete idiot running the club.

[alpine_saint]

Mental, a complete joke and another season ruined. Why can't we have just one normal season? Where is NC going to find someone better than AP at this level?

 

 

From the same place he found the last one ?

[so22saint]

so, new manager wants loads of new players and has no time to buy them, January he goes mental so our reserve squad goes through the roof pushing overheads up. Players have no idea who is in charge in the mean time.

 

****ing stupid

[dronskisaint]

My day so far....

 

Shocked first of all & appalled at the timing but then had a couple of coffees & some time for reflection.

 

When AP was announced I was a little disappointed but on reflection (again) he had the right sort of credentials to get us out of the lower leagues. Bear in mind we knew little or nothing about our new owners then either.

 

Last season, despite the rumours of discord between him & the chairman we so nearly overturned the points penalty, won the JPT & laid the foundations of a very good L1 leading to Championship team. We also learnt that our new owners had a plan & were in a hurry...it's pointless to speculate on how much ML's health influenced this.

 

This season we have added quality & cover in most positions & got shot of some liabilities - the others we understand are work in progress. We, tragically, lost our owner & benefactor but the plan stayed in place - I believe that NC had probably realised, for whatever reasons, that he could not work to achieve these aims with AP's team so to honour his commitment to the plan has made the change. I am pretty sure given his record on such things that it is not a speculative decision - he knows who they want & I'd be very surprised if the person is not announced in the very near future.

 

I don't believe it will be someone untried or without a pedigree of success - that would not (aside from being able to have maybe a better working relationship) a step forward & this management is ruthlessly all about progress.

 

I'd like to thank AP, WD & SM for giving me one of the most fun seasons in my 50 year supportership & the chance to cry like a kid at Wembley as we came out of a season that might well not have happened - I wish all of them well for the future & think they'll do a great job in the future for someone else.

 

Our future is in the hands of the guy who introduced our saviour as a club...I'm saddened at the steps he felt necessary to take but I'm a a Saints supporter first so he has my trust to go forward with his (and Markus's) plans. Players & managers will come & go...we nearly saw our club go - we need to get behind the team & club & promotion can still be very much on.

[Nexstar]

so, new manager wants loads of new players and has no time to buy them, January he goes mental so our reserve squad goes through the roof pushing overheads up. Players have no idea who is in charge in the mean time.

 

****ing stupid

 

Why would you assume the new manager would need "loads" of new players? Anybody who comes in will quickly realise this squad is good enough to be promoted to the Championship. Maybe adding 1 or 2 players.

[Fan The Flames]

F#cking madness

[Saint Billy]

Did Zola and Wise play together at Chelski?

[tobes8]

Zola would be a very very bad choice...done sweet FA as a manager and certainly not suited to L1!!

 

Juventus apparently were interested in Cortese I understand..well wish he would F OFF there right now!

[randyapollo]

zola no thanks.......

 

my thoughts too!!!!!

[alpine_saint]

so, new manager wants loads of new players and has no time to buy them, January he goes mental so our reserve squad goes through the roof pushing overheads up. Players have no idea who is in charge in the mean time.

 

****ing stupid

 

I would suggest that a couple of different players and a couple of changes in the footballing equivalent of "teachers pet" is more than compensated by a greater wealth of tactical ability, should NC get the selection correct.

[MongoNeil]

Unbelievable Jeff! Really is nonsense timing as others have said.

[Legod Third Coming]

How is Mancini doing at Man Citeh? Against Sunderland, one of the worst teams I have ever had the misfortune to watch... I would love it if Hughesie finishes above them with little old Fulham. Love it.

 

And now every other fan will feel the same about us. Shame. Reputation counts for more than people think.

[sadoldgit]

Completely one-sided. NC is as hungry as the fans to return us up to the big time. And he is not scared of making changes. People have compared to Lowe, but Lowe's main criteria in finding a replacementmanager was money, NCs will be results.

 

If it is really true that NC made it clear that promotion was the prio last season (confirmed by that statement in February) and AP ignored this and focused on the cups, then AP had signed his resignation letter back then...

 

I don't think that he "focusses" on the cups, he said he wanted both. As for Lowe, not true until the Dutch experiment when we had to save cash anyway - otherwise he would have kept Wigley and Grey.

[up and away]

When Pardew was appointed by Cortese it was on his experience at Managing at the highest level but I feel Cortese then realised quite early on that whilst Pardew was a good Manager he did not demonstrate the qualities required to take us as far forward as first thought.

 

Pardew is a good man and can be proud of his achievements at Southampton FC but he was never the man to take us all the way. He did not have the tactical nous or demonstrate the ability to take us to the higher level. That is of course only my opinion but one it seems shared by Cortese.

 

Informed sources indicated to me that Pardew wanted out but was not prepared to just walk. His body language at interviews was telling. However he appeared a proud man and honest. He would have been giving the job 100% despite his reservations.

 

We now have to hope Cortese listens to experienced football advisors and picks the right man for the job. It needs to be a man who has a good track record at lower level and shows ability to go all the way. We do not want a high profile Manager who has not proved himself at this level. He has to be someone who has the ability to get us promotion in this league and grow into the job as we reach higher levels.

 

I would be looking at Eddie Howe of Bournemouth but with one big reservation. He did fine without money and with a limited player pool. How would he perform with Southampton’s wealth ant talent pool?

 

Down the road at Brighton we have Gus Poyet. Another rising Managerial star but does he have the temperament to work with Cortese?

 

We need to support Cortese at this time. We need to give him space. He holds the purse strings. He is the key to success or failure at Saints. If he goes the money will likely go with him. We will be sold and I would hate to see an owner with limited funds just trying to boost his ego running a football club. Cortese has an ego but it is ambition not wanting to be seen at the head of a football club with his toy.

 

My best wishes to Pardew for the future. Some magical moments but likewise some real frustration at times.

 

As for the strange timing I wonder how much that has to do with only putting on our new signing with a few minutes to go. Was that a final reminder to Cortese who picks the players and team on the pitch? Was it the final straw Cortese was waiting for? Who knows, we can only speculate.

 

When you consider all the upheaval we had last season when Pardew came out and said he prioritised the cups, this is not that great a surprise. I said at the time, in any other industry Pardew would be gone immediately for that one statement. What Pardew had to do to take the club on was to show that he had his priorities right this time, otherwise how can Cortese trust him?

 

After the Bolton game he came out with this strange statement "We are disappointed we lost, but in terms of the schedule we have in front of us, and the priorities, this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such." When you look at the team played and the minutes on the pitch, it made no sense for a game of no priority.

 

Then what could have been the deciding factor, Lallana's injury. I don't know exactly what is going on so never commented previously, but as far as I understand this had been a niggle for a while now. If that is the case, the decision to play him for 90 minutes against Bolton may be seen as a major faux pas. I don't know if Pardew's statement after the Bolton game was deliberately designed to get him the sack, but bearing in mind everything that had gone on before, it's either that or stupidity in his choice of words.

 

The other point that may have come into the reckoning is the upcoming JPT and if Pardew had hinted at doing another Bolton, that would certainly have been enough.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I would suggest that a couple of different players and a couple of changes in the footballing equivalent of "teachers pet" is more than compensated by a greater wealth of tactical ability, should NC get the selection correct.

 

It would not surprise me one bit if Cortese wanted a puppet to front himself. Seriously, we thought Lowe was bad, I think we've got one much, MUCH worse here.

[Tony10]

My day so far....

 

Shocked first of all & appalled at the timing but then had a couple of coffees & some time for reflection.

 

When AP was announced I was a little disappointed but on reflection (again) he had the right sort of credentials to get us out of the lower leagues. Bear in mind we knew little or nothing about our new owners then either.

 

Last season, despite the rumours of discord between him & the chairman we so nearly overturned the points penalty, won the JPT & laid the foundations of a very good L1 leading to Championship team. We also learnt that our new owners had a plan & were in a hurry...it's pointless to speculate on how much ML's health influenced this.

 

This season we have added quality & cover in most positions & got shot of some liabilities - the others we understand are work in progress. We, tragically, lost our owner & benefactor but the plan stayed in place - I believe that NC had probably realised, for whatever reasons, that he could not work to achieve these aims with AP's team so to honour his commitment to the plan has made the change. I am pretty sure given his record on such things that it is not a speculative decision - he knows who they want & I'd be very surprised if the person is not announced in the very near future.

 

I don't believe it will be someone untried or without a pedigree of success - that would not (aside from being able to have maybe a better working relationship) a step forward & this management is ruthlessly all about progress.

 

I'd like to thank AP, WD & SM for giving me one of the most fun seasons in my 50 year supportership & the chance to cry like a kid at Wembley as we came out of a season that might well not have happened - I wish all of them well for the future & think they'll do a great job in the future for someone else.

 

Our future is in the hands of the guy who introduced our saviour as a club...I'm saddened at the steps he felt necessary to take but I'm a a Saints supporter first so he has my trust to go forward with his (and Markus's) plans. Players & managers will come & go...we nearly saw our club go - we need to get behind the team & club & promotion can still be very much on.

 

Well said.

[Tartarus112]

Perhaps the strange timing of this decision has been dictated by Nicola's prefered candidate becoming available rather than anything Pardew has done or team results. Saying that it could quite easily have been Pardew demanding more money for transfers or wanting to speak to another club. I guess we'll never know.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Rediculous.

 

Stupid timing with the transfer window closing in only a few days, why not sack him in the off season?

 

We have played well in every single game this season but only looked a little rusty in front of goal.

 

We better have a good replacement lined up here, I am not happy.

 

I wonder if Mr Cortese would have sacked AP if our domination periods of these games had have

produced the goals that should have been scored?

We could quite seriously been 6 point better off.

 

Or was a pre plannned decision? if it was then the timing is even more stupid than it looks.

 

Mr Cortese,If you wanted AP gone why did you not do it in close season?

or was it just about the 3 league games? if it was how long will our new man get?

Edited 30 August, 2010 by ALWAYS_SFC
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[alpine_saint]

When you consider all the upheaval we had last season when Pardew came out and said he prioritised the cups, this is not that great a surprise. I said at the time, in any other industry Pardew would be gone immediately for that one statement. What Pardew had to do to take the club on was to show that he had his priorities right this time, otherwise how can Cortese trust him?

 

After the Bolton game he came out with this strange statement "We are disappointed we lost, but in terms of the schedule we have in front of us, and the priorities, this wasn't the priority game, but we certainly treated it as such." When you look at the team played and the minutes on the pitch, it made no sense for a game of no priority.

 

Then what could have been the deciding factor, Lallana's injury. I don't know exactly what is going on so never commented previously, but as far as I understand this had been a niggle for a while now. If that is the case, the decision to play him for 90 minutes against Bolton may be seen as a major faux pas. I don't know if Pardew's statement after the Bolton game was deliberately designed to get him the sack, but bearing in mind everything that had gone on before, it's either that or stupidity in his choice of words.

 

The other point that may have come into the reckoning is the upcoming JPT and if Pardew had hinted at doing another Bolton, that would certainly have been enough.

 

Good post. NC simply had enough of AP sticking up his middle digit.

[bungle]

Good to see alps and the board racist making fools of themselves on this thread.

[alpine_saint]

It would not surprise me one bit if Cortese wanted a puppet to front himself. Seriously, we thought Lowe was bad, I think we've got one much, MUCH worse here.

 

This is complete rubbish. NC may not tolerate any distraction from the promtion path, but to suggest he wants to interfere with the way the team plays is totally unfounded.

[saintscottofthenortham]

I think it's fair to say that any other appointment of any "Available" manager, other than MO'N, would lead to a wholehearted feeling of great underwhelment.

 

There are many names being mentioned, that scare the life out of me to think they could be AP's replacement.

 

Add to that the unfortunate truth that how Cortese now looks to any potential new manager, who wants to take charge of a club that has possibly the most expectant fans outside of the top 4 clubs in the country and an Executive Chairman who is fast making himself known nationally as English Footballs Hitler - Thats not my personal view, just one that is very much being painted of him.

[alpine_saint]

I don't think that he "focusses" on the cups, he said he wanted both. As for Lowe, not true until the Dutch experiment when we had to save cash anyway - otherwise he would have kept Wigley and Grey.

 

He tried to keep both of them - fatally for too long in the case of Wigley.

[Winchester_Saint]

Mental, a complete joke and another season ruined. Why can't we have just one normal season? Where is NC going to find someone better than AP at this level?

 

Madness.

 

Summed up perfectly. Saints can never do anything the easy way

[alpine_saint]

Good to see alps and the board racist making fools of themselves on this thread.

 

Explain.

 

Go away if you are after an argument. The conversation is reasonably decent on here at the moment.

[Wycombe Saint]

What a joke this football club is now. Cant believe this today. How the hell are we supposed to attract a new manager now when they know the 'little napoleon' at the top will sack you even if you win.

 

Cant believe we have treated Pardew so badly. Cortese has only sacked him because of clashing egos

[Sport_Monkey]

Surprised to start with then thought about it for a while and really it is no suprise.

I do think it is completely wrong to start the name calling etc of NC, but we knew this was going to happen at some point.

Lets just wait and see what happens and as some one else said it could be one of the best things that has happened to the club since ML saved the club?