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Is the club right to sack Alan Pardew?  

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  1. 1. Is the club right to sack Alan Pardew?

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SuperSAINT

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Just woke up to the news. Ah, crap. My brain hurts.

 

Ok, 1st off - I don't understand the 'official reason' given, at all - What on earth does it mean?

 

Cortese has thrown a MASSIVE spanner in the works. 2 days after a 4-0 win away too. Behind the scenes, clearly things have not been right. So what's the real reason? Have things just taken a downward turn in the last week? I think they must have. Pards didn't really sound like a man about to face the chop. Perhaps a disagreement on transfer policy? Has the money run out? Were they trying to sign players over his head?

 

So disappointing.

 

So who's gonna get the job?

 

My 1st thought was Zola after the recent rumours on here.... 2nd *optimistic* thought was Martin O'neill... Then just heard from my dad that he thinks Phil Brown would do a job - I could see him being a target, actually.

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Jackie@home

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I don't think it's coincidence that he's been sacked after Markus's death - He seemed a much more tolerant guy who want Pards to stay on. NC has waited for the funeral, etc. to be over then acted straight away. Absolutely farcical. Pardew's record of managing from League One to the Premiership, knowledge of all the divisions and promotion at our level and Championship level has not been replicated by hardly any managers in recent years - can only think of Warnock off the top of my head. We'll probably end up with a foreign manager who doesn't know the difference between Charlie Austin and Ian Harte, that's my worry.

 

Anyone who knows League One as well as Pards will not have his reputation in the game at a higher level.

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Poshie72

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stunned..shocked.. speechless. I knew that AP needed to get the resuts, but to win 4-0 and then sack... strange... unless it is as some have said just delayed from Plymouth. IMO bad bad timing. I hope that NC has a decent manager lined up... otherwise... I dread to think.

 

Oh well back to the rollercoaster that is Southampton FC, thought I was expecting too much to be able to enjoy watching my football team with no dramas this season... why oh why cant I support a normal team

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Saint137

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I think an Italian might be required in order to stand up to Cortese. Pardew was too English, too keen to build consensus and take the cautious approach (both of which are a good thing as far as I'm concerned) but Cortese seems to demand decisive brave action with no excuses. Strange that he's temporarily kept Wilkins on but I guess that will be very short term and he'll be gone in due course. Cortese almost needs someone with the same balls as he has, someone who doesn't need to the job, who will tell him to get ****ed in a meeting. Pardew is not a passionate blustering manager like a Ferguson or Mourinho, I could never see him as one to be bawling the players out in a half-time team talk.

 

Ultimately shocked by this decision and feel very sorry for Pardew as I think he was doing a good job and would have got us there this season. Either Cortese is an idiot or we can't see the vision, perhaps he really is serious about making us into a Champions League side in 5 seasons, playing in a 70,000 seater stadium???

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RobM

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Let's look at this a little differently... What have we learned over the last few years of supporting SFC?

 

1) Unrest and unhappiness at the board level and / or between the board and management team results in failure. Look at Lowe / Redcrap.

2) Stability is key to everything.

3) The chairmen bowing down to fan demand results in the wrong decision. I.e. RL not reappointing Hoddle and going for the fans option. That didn't work so well.

4) Sacking your manager at a time that gives them no chance of improving the squad this season doesn't work.

 

So if the relationship between NC and AP isn't healthy, our club and fortunes are not healthy. Whether or not I agree with the decision, it's a decision that has to be made if there is any sign of instability within the club.

 

I think AP was the right man for us, I think he was getting good performances out of the team and I think he had identified the areas we were lacking in (set pieces and scoring goals, mainly). I also think there is a lot to be said for keeping and backing your manager.

 

But if NC cannot do this and he is not happy, AP had to go. NC must now show the same consistent improvement and growth he speaks of by improving our managerial strength and quality. If he doesn't, we have made a huge mistake.

 

If AP was to go, it should have been at the end of last season. But as that didn't happen, now isn't a terrible time. It gives us a lot of time to see what the new manager can do with our current squad, gives him time to spot weaknesses and improve them and it gives us between now and the Jan transfer window to assess what changes to the squad are required.

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ulstersaint

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Awful news. Why not get rid of him in the Summer and give a manager time to bring in his own players. The new manager is going to have a group of players that aren't 'his' and can't bring anyone in other than loans. Also worried that some of the players' performance may be affected by Pardew leaving as they were Pardew's players. Could also be goodbye to Lallana then?

 

There might be more behind this decision than we are aware of - ie who decides on transfers in and out - but the timing is crazy. It was common knowledge that missing the play-offs did not please NC and that the relationship between NC and AP appeared to be strained. But if a change was necessary, why was it not done in the post-season review some months ago and not 3 games into a new season?

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S-Clarke

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They mentioned this on solent -- I don't see it though. All the best players are in the 1st XI.

It's not like I could see Wotton, Pulis & Holmes leading a mutiny!

 

not rifts with the players, rifts with the coaching staff and the new staff cortese is appointing for his ''development centre'..

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alpine_saint

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There might be more behind this decision than we are aware of - ie who decides on transfers in and out - but the timing is crazy. It was common knowledge that missing the play-offs did not please NC and that the relationship between NC and AP appeared to be strained. But if a change was necessary, why was it not done in the post-season review some months ago and not 3 games into a new season?

 

Everyone is entitled to a second chance ?

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Sheff Saint

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Nuts, really.

 

Only someone of O'Neills calibre can even begin to justify this. Sven, Zola, Phil Brown, Ince? God, no.

 

I wanted Tisdale last year but would be disappointed now, given how well AP did last year.

 

Ironic that NC talks about the Southampton way. This doesn't feel like the Southampton way at all.

 

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Tony10

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Before slagging Nicola Cortese off, let's all wait and see who the new manager is - this is what is key about todays events. This could either be a fantastic move which will really push us on or a groundhog day trip back to the mad old days of old Rupes. Based on the evidence I've seen so far of Cortese's performance then I'm really hopeful. I'm hoping and praying that someone of the calibre and experience of O'Neill will come in. I don't dare dream that we could get O'Neill........could we?

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Weston Saint

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When Pardew was appointed by Cortese it was on his experience at Managing at the highest level but I feel Cortese then realised quite early on that whilst Pardew was a good Manager he did not demonstrate the qualities required to take us as far forward as first thought.

 

Pardew is a good man and can be proud of his achievements at Southampton FC but he was never the man to take us all the way. He did not have the tactical nous or demonstrate the ability to take us to the higher level. That is of course only my opinion but one it seems shared by Cortese.

 

Informed sources indicated to me that Pardew wanted out but was not prepared to just walk. His body language at interviews was telling. However he appeared a proud man and honest. He would have been giving the job 100% despite his reservations.

 

We now have to hope Cortese listens to experienced football advisors and picks the right man for the job. It needs to be a man who has a good track record at lower level and shows ability to go all the way. We do not want a high profile Manager who has not proved himself at this level. He has to be someone who has the ability to get us promotion in this league and grow into the job as we reach higher levels.

 

I would be looking at Eddie Howe of Bournemouth but with one big reservation. He did fine without money and with a limited player pool. How would he perform with Southampton’s wealth ant talent pool?

 

Down the road at Brighton we have Gus Poyet. Another rising Managerial star but does he have the temperament to work with Cortese?

 

We need to support Cortese at this time. We need to give him space. He holds the purse strings. He is the key to success or failure at Saints. If he goes the money will likely go with him. We will be sold and I would hate to see an owner with limited funds just trying to boost his ego running a football club. Cortese has an ego but it is ambition not wanting to be seen at the head of a football club with his toy.

 

My best wishes to Pardew for the future. Some magical moments but likewise some real frustration at times.

 

As for the strange timing I wonder how much that has to do with only putting on our new signing with a few minutes to go. Was that a final reminder to Cortese who picks the players and team on the pitch? Was it the final straw Cortese was waiting for? Who knows, we can only speculate.

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SuperSAINT

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not rifts with the players, rifts with the coaching staff and the new staff cortese is appointing for his ''development centre'..

 

Ah, I see. That makes sense then. The 'development centre' is the most important thing at the club remember!

 

This has ruined a perfectly good morning.

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countysaint

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My first reaction was shock, but having had 10 minutes to digest the news it doesn't come as a complete surprise.

 

I just jhope we go with an English manager who's had success at this level, and not some big foreign name who has no idea of how the third tier of English football works.

 

How it works is like this: 1st = Automatic promotion

 

2nd = Automatic promotion

 

3rd = Playoff place

 

4th = Playoff place

 

5th = Playoff place

 

6th = Playoff place

 

21st = Relegation

 

22nd = Relegation

 

23rd = Relegation

 

24th = Relegation

 

The football pyramid system is the same whichever league or country you are in,so no excuse for being foreign and not knowing how the third tier of English football works!

 

Simples!!!

Oh and bye the way............Disgusted we are back on the managerial merry-go-round.

Thanks AP, good luck for the future.

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h8cak

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Rather than knee jerk "NC is a ****" reactions, take a deep breath and think this through.

 

AP and NC have fallen out in the past and NC has a very clear vision for where he wants things to go. If AP is deemed not able to deliver that, then NC had to change things.

 

NC is clearly doing what he thinks is best for SFC. He would not take such a decision lightly.

 

AP has done a fabulous job getting the players he has and getting us set up with a professional back office support structure.

 

I am sad for AP as he deserved a crack at getting us promoted. I am also gutted for those players who will find it difficult to accept a new gaffer as they had much respect for AP.

 

As for our future, I am certain that NC has a "Plan B" and that the majority will understand this move when it comes to fruition. There will always be the moaning minnies, no matter what happens. Some people are just unable to see past their dislike for a person (NC) vs the good business practises he imposes on the club.

 

Long ago I accepted that football is "morally bankrupt" - enforced when Nigel Pearson got the sack in favour of the "cheaper" dutch experiment.

 

Alan Pardew - thanks for all you have done for SFC. You have always held your head high and done what you thought needed to be done. Much respect and good luck in your next appointment (please not at a League One club!)

 

Excited now that the "rabbit in the hat" will be able to attract even greater talent to our club and we will start to get those results that so far have evaded us - ones we will need to get if we are to climb the league.

 

Of course our season is not "finished". We have played 3 games! Promotion is still very much on the cards and I intend to enjoy the ride rather than spend all my time moaning.

 

I could not agree more, Well said that man

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ooohTerryHurlock

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He would n't do it then because Marcus was still here - not sure that giving Pardew the boot after three games this season was part of the five year plan..... Like AL said on the football league show on saturday - he had already said the BR game was ' a must win game'.... he knew the writting was on the wall.

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1- we have new owners who have come to a decision to put more/less money in so we are making changes.

2- cortese came to the decision a number of weeks ago but didn't sack parses due to eithermarkus' death or a worry that top players would want to leave.

 

We must know who will be coming in and for what reason before we judge cortese.

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alpine_saint

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When Pardew was appointed by Cortese it was on his experience at Managing at the highest level but I feel Cortese then realised quite early on that whilst Pardew was a good Manager he did not demonstrate the qualities required to take us as far forward as first thought.

 

Pardew is a good man and can be proud of his achievements at Southampton FC but he was never the man to take us all the way. He did not have the tactical nous or demonstrate the ability to take us to the higher level. That is of course only my opinion but one it seems shared by Cortese.

 

Informed sources indicated to me that Pardew wanted out but was not prepared to just walk. His body language at interviews was telling. However he appeared a proud man and honest. He would have been giving the job 100% despite his reservations.

 

We now have to hope Cortese listens to experienced football advisors and picks the right man for the job. It needs to be a man who has a good track record at lower level and shows ability to go all the way. We do not want a high profile Manager who has not proved himself at this level. He has to be someone who has the ability to get us promotion in this league and grow into the job as we reach higher levels.

 

I would be looking at Eddie Howe of Bournemouth but with one big reservation. He did fine without money and with a limited player pool. How would he perform with Southampton’s wealth ant talent pool?

 

Down the road at Brighton we have Gus Poyet. Another rising Managerial star but does he have the temperament to work with Cortese?

 

We need to support Cortese at this time. We need to give him space. He holds the purse strings. He is the key to success or failure at Saints. If he goes the money will likely go with him. We will be sold and I would hate to see an owner with limited funds just trying to boost his ego running a football club. Cortese has an ego but it is ambition not wanting to be seen at the head of a football club with his toy.

 

My best wishes to Pardew for the future. Some magical moments but likewise some real frustration at times.

 

As for the strange timing I wonder how much that has to do with only putting on our new signing with a few minutes to go. Was that a final reminder to Cortese who picks the players and team on the pitch? Was it the final straw Cortese was waiting for? Who knows, we can only speculate.

 

Thought provoking as ever, R. :)

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Dr Who?

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Some one new comes in and they will want to build their own team, this could mean promotion will not happen this season, unless a manager comes in and does not want to change the squad at all. If we go up this season it will always be AP team!!!

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alpine_saint

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Some one new comes in and they will want to build their own team, this could mean promotion will not happen this season, unless a manager comes in and does not want to change the squad at all. If we go up this season it will always be AP team!!!

 

If someone comes in and gets us promoted with APs team, whilst you can say it is APs team, one can ask whether he would have got such consistent performances from them.

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Some one new comes in and they will want to build their own team, this could mean promotion will not happen this season, unless a manager comes in and does not want to change the squad at all. If we go up this season it will always be AP team!!!

 

Aside from a few loan additions there is no need for massive changes. All we need is a manager who can manage. Simples.

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Good. Rather Cortese did it now and got on with it rather than just waiting around. Should have done it Pre Season but bottled it.

 

Anyway I'd heard rumours a while back about this being on the cards and Pardew wanting out too but it became a bit of a stand off. Something might have happened to trigger it. Reed has been looking for a new manager for a while now, it was part of his duty when bought in, so I doubt it will be long before someone comes in.

 

Anybody but Shearer. Can't see O Neill or Eriksson as has been suggested but i'd be happy enough with Zola.

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