Wes Tender Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 There are going to be a lot of people on here with egg on their faces. The "In Cortese We trust" brigade who denied that Pardew was being lined up to be sacked last season must be looking rather foolish as it's rather obvious that those rumours were absolutely on the money. It's an absolutely insane decision. To sack Pardew pre season maybe, but to sack him with 3 league games on the clock is madness and it puts any chance of promotion into real jeopardy. Days before the transfer window? I n s a n e... In all honesty, we need to take a look at the way Cortese runs the club as to sack a manager, after a 4-0 away win on game three, tow days before the transfer window closes is just insane. Add to that the alienation of the press and certain other, shall we say, less popular decisions with some sections of the fanbase and you have a real issue.... The typical knee-jerk reaction from somebody whose opinion I normally value, but I excuse it on the grounds that people are in shock by the announcement and have not had time to form a more circumspect opinion. For example, to claim that sacking him after just three games is going to jeopardise the season is way over the top. So to summarise on what is factual and what is not, all of the information posted on the OS is factual; the manager and the management team have been sacked. So that is the sum total of anything that is known for a fact. Everything else posted on this thread speculating about the reasons for AP's dismissal, whether ML would have allowed it, who we have lined up in AP's place, etc, is all pie in the sky and should be treated as such. I'm going to wait and see who we appoint in his place. It could be that we are able to attract a manager who will have people changing their minds very shortly. In Cortese I still trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Prediction: lots of aghast reactions for the first few hours/days followed by short term memory loss when a "special" manager is appointed.... so who would you want that has the capabilities of being "special"?. Zola - great player but as a manager, not so sure? The only one I would would think of that would fit that bill is O'neil. Can i see that happening........no way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I am sorry I have always seen Cortese as a sinister figure lurking in the background - A person with no football knowledge making decisions about our club. This is a Rupert style decision an will totally de-rail our season. Personally I am sick of the constant change of managers at Saints and long for a period of stability. It is no coincidence that the best clubs have a stable management structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 after a few years watching football nothing surprises you so it's not a shock, just slightly odd timing. I'll reserve judgement until we see what the plan is, Cortese's structure is work in progress, let's see what he has in store and if it's crazy, let's go ape then. However if Cortese's masterplan is amazing then let's just thank Pardew for his part in turning the club around when we were in crisis and being part of the rebuilding process, and then look forwards. So I'll wait for more information before making a judgement. The voice of common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So a draw against Orient and defeat against Plymouth have got AP the sack??? Otherwise surely he would of gone during the summer. So NC must have someone now in mind that was not available during the summer, this applies to O'Neil & Zola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 (edited) "Rubbish timing and decision." Agreed Totally wrong. Should have waited til December at the earliest. Edited 30 August, 2010 by Stepgar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurleyBurley Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 And do you really think it will make NC change his mind regarding AP? No? Thought not. It's not about changing minds it's about showing you're not happy with the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altoniansaints Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 The ONLY thing that makes any sense to me is IF O`neill is lined up to take over IMO he`s the only manager out there that is currently without a club who would bring more to our club than AP! Am totally gutted for AP he`s been great for us however i`m sure he would have been told that if we didn`t have X number of points before X number of games played then that was it. NC wanted him gone last season and he hung on so i`m sure IMO there would have been a condition like that. I at least still trust NC, although that may change once AP`s replacement is appointed! Lets not slate him yet it may well be O`neill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BridgnorthSaint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 The typical knee-jerk reaction from somebody whose opinion I normally value, but I excuse it on the grounds that people are in shock by the announcement and have not had time to form a more circumspect opinion. For example, to claim that sacking him after just three games is going to jeopardise the season is way over the top. So to summarise on what is factual and what is not, all of the information posted on the OS is factual; the manager and the management team have been sacked. So that is the sum total of anything that is known for a fact. Everything else posted on this thread speculating about the reasons for AP's dismissal, whether ML would have allowed it, who we have lined up in AP's place, etc, is all pie in the sky and should be treated as such. I'm going to wait and see who we appoint in his place. It could be that we are able to attract a manager who will have people changing their minds very shortly. In Cortese I still trust. - Are you for real? Trust? Reserve judgement by all means - But Trust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brussels Saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 In general, I've been a supporter of NC, but in this instance I think he's wrong. The timing is bizarre, which perhaps suggest a final falling out between AP & NC. AP was doing a decent job with the Saints, I liked our team and the way we were progressing and he should have been given until Nov to prove we would be in a top 2 position. Whomever comes in next needs to be a huge name for this decision to make sense. My gut feeling is that it will be a big O'Neill type announcement and if not, i will then really start to doubt NC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 so who would you want that has the capabilities of being "special"? O'Neil Keegan Hoddle Capello Strachan Mourinho Ferguson (Alex) ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Not the greatest decision but I'm sure there's far more to this than a poor start to the season. One thing for sure, Cortese will not tollerate 2nd best for too long - some trusted posters on here mentioned that Pardew was not his 1st choice. I really hope Mr Cortese can now attract the manager he really wants to run this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Rediculous decision by Cortese - how anyone can defend it, I do not know. We were strong favourites in my eyes to get promoted with Pardew in charge. Now, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moon monkey Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I noticed in the game against Bolton, Les Reed was sat next to Cortese in box. I wonder if Les Reed is gonna have any input on the new manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Desperately disappointed Alan has gone as it seems we were starting to turn the corner, but at the end of the day if Cortese and Pards can't work together the manager has to go. This could have been planned or Pardew could have asked for more money for another player and Nicola cracked. But for his sake, Cortese best have somebody worthwhile lined up. And fast! But i'm glad this came out now, rather than further down the line in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shrek Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Ok, a different perspective. Nicola wants us to walk the league. With the money spent so far, we should. Would Man U fans be happy with our points tally at this stage of the season? With Marcus' passing, Nicola is going to be even more fired up and will demand nothing less than the best. Performances prior to Bristol Rovers were poor and we did not look like a team about to walk the league. I really liked AP, seemed a genuine guy. But we seemed to be stumbling towards a "pretty good" season again, much like the Burley season when we just missed out. Not good enough. I would suspect the decision was made before the Rovers game, hence the reactions. If we'd have played like we did against Orient then perhaps there might have been some different reactions Good luck Alan, you're a decent bloke. Nicola - please get someone in who can make subs before the last 5 mins of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I noticed in the game against Bolton, Les Reed was sat next to Cortese in box. I wonder if Les Reed is gonna have any input on the new manager? I would assume so. He's kind our ''director of football'' type figure so will have a say in all football decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 It is well proven that teams that achieve success are loyal to there management - Man Utd and Arsenal have achieved so much because they allow time for teams to develop - We wallop Britol 4-0 and then sack the manager! - Sturrock all over again! I hope Mr Cortese et al know what they are about - It is quite funny that not two weeks after the Chairman passes over - when the club needs stability more than ever, we sack the manager. i'll never get our great club Very disappointed this morning in this news - AP was a good appointment - it will be interesting to see who comes in now. Phil Brown was on the telly last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey-deacons-left-nut Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I'm going to guess that he was probably going to be sacked after the PLymouth game, but ML's death probably delayed the process for a while... only a guess like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW11_Saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 omg i hope not http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1277623/Alan-Pardew-faces-Southampton-sack-club-line-Steve-Cotterill-replacement.html That's an article from May. Cotterill is at Portsmouth now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDG Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Very hard to understand this decision - I only hope that the successor is lined up and we won't be in limbo for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 They just said on Talksport that the rumour doing the rounds in the press is that Dennis Wise is going to be the next manager. ****ing hell it gets worse!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I'm going to guess that he was probably going to be sacked after the PLymouth game, but ML's death probably delayed the process for a while... only a guess like... I don't think that's far from the truth. Also seems to confirm why there has only been 1 signing, and that's a ''Cortese'' signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I am gob smacked and flabbergasted I have been a supporter of NC up until now,I did waver a little after the whole photographer thing, but this beggers belief. I can only hope we get someone who is able to utilise the team to it's best advantage, and is able to break down teams that arrive to park the bus. Wow, very surreal. As the Chinease say, 'May you live in Interesting time!'. But at the moment I would prefer living in more stable times with less changes. WIFM, if we can at all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Wow!! Stunned....... I can only imagine that this was decided a couple of weeks ago and then tragic events delayed it OR something has happenned in the last couple of days, probably in regard to transfers and Cortese has made his decision. Having said that and listening to Pardews interviews over ther last couple of weeks he has seemed "different" to last year, less upbeat, and maybe the pressure was too much for him and COrtese has seen that. If he cant handle the pressure of Lague One what would he be like furthger up?!! Im shocked and slightly disappointed BUT these things do happen, its COrteses first BIG decision and until we see who comes in AND where we finish this season it is too early to judge it. The timing does seem strange but despite the qoute re candidates being evaluated, Im sure Cortese has his choice already...it will just take him a few days to meet withthem. This wont take long...we really are an attractive club at the moment!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 even if someone "special" lined up - after 4-0 win and 24 hours left of window? Speechless... only explanation I have is that he was going after the Bournemouth match but with Markus passing away those plans were put on hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Totally ridiculous. Not learning from history, especially not learning from your OWN history, is just downright stupid. Why do it now rather than 3 months ago? Why do it at all? Totally insane decision. Cortese and a lot of other people realyl ought to wake up and realise that every game of football is just a two horse race. There is never a guarantee of winning. Totally bonkers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I'm going to guess that he was probably going to be sacked after the PLymouth game, but ML's death probably delayed the process for a while... only a guess like... I'm inclined to agree - shame, I would've liked to see AP succedd and have some stability at this club of ours but then it would be boring on the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfcuk fan Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Really can't believe this news The timing is awfull and I felt that this season with a bit of managerial continuity we had a good chance of going up. Now, who knows how this will affect the team and our prospects for promotion. I sincerely hope that NC has a plan and a very good replacement lined up but I feel he has just got rid of the best man suited to the job Thanks AP for all you did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I watched goals o n sunday and Ince was very much open to taking a job in L1 as long as the lcub had a vision.I thought then of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Um Bongo Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 What I would give to have a football club that was just boring for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Since '51 Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Curbishley? Phil Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Ok, a different perspective. Nicola wants us to walk the league. With the money spent so far, we should. Would Man U fans be happy with our points tally at this stage of the season? With Marcus' passing, Nicola is going to be even more fired up and will demand nothing less than the best. Performances prior to Bristol Rovers were poor and we did not look like a team about to walk the league. I really liked AP, seemed a genuine guy. But we seemed to be stumbling towards a "pretty good" season again, much like the Burley season when we just missed out. Not good enough. I would suspect the decision was made before the Rovers game, hence the reactions. If we'd have played like we did against Orient then perhaps there might have been some different reactions Good luck Alan, you're a decent bloke. Nicola - please get someone in who can make subs before the last 5 mins of the game Sorry, but no-one with any sense would sack their manager based on results after just 3 league games (one of which we won 4-0!) If Cortese was unhappy with Pardew at the end of last season (which he had no reason to be based on performance), he should have had the bottle to get rid of him then. Having to get a new manager in now, at the end of the window, is the worst of all worlds IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I'm going to guess that he was probably going to be sacked after the PLymouth game, but ML's death probably delayed the process for a while... only a guess like... As we were walking back to the car after the match I said that AP wouldn't survive many more performances like that and he'd be gone soon unless things improved dramatically and I agree with you that the decision would have been sooner if Marcus hadn't of died. It reminded me of the Sturrock debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 bloody hell. I was not expecting that today after a 4-0 win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I watched goals o n sunday and Ince was very much open to taking a job in L1 as long as the lcub had a vision.I thought then of us. even worse than Wise...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Very surprised and annoyed about this. Strange timing with the window just about to shut and it seemed like our season was just about to get into gear. We finally had some stability here as well, so all seems very strange. Cortese must have something up his sleeve because I really don't know who better we could get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Curbishley? Phil Brown? Both worse than Pardew, especially Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_mears Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 The guardian oonline are suggesting traning ground rifts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 O'Neil Keegan Hoddle Capello Strachan Mourinho Ferguson (Alex) ;-) well, I would add MLT, but this would only lead to him becomming a little less liked as he wouldn't succeed. It would have to be someone with the nous to take over someone elses team and mould them into a coherent unti from day 1. And I'll guarentee it'll be someone we wouldn't expect either. If this happened in FM2010, (Your owner has passed away, You have been sacked after winning 4-0) we would be screaming at a bug and lack of realism. I prefered it when people ion the press spoke about us out of sympathy, not out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I just hope this is not to do with us selling one of our main players i.e cortese accepting a bid of 3m from Blackpool for lambo and pards not agreeing to it and cue big row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Awful news. Why not get rid of him in the Summer and give a manager time to bring in his own players. The new manager is going to have a group of players that aren't 'his' and can't bring anyone in other than loans. Also worried that some of the players' performance may be affected by Pardew leaving as they were Pardew's players. Could also be goodbye to Lallana then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Very surprised and annoyed about this. Strange timing with the window just about to shut and it seemed like our season was just about to get into gear. We finally had some stability here as well, so all seems very strange. Cortese must have something up his sleeve because I really don't know who better we could get in. Sorry but lol, Pardew was nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I am sorry I have always seen Cortese as a sinister figure lurking in the background - A person with no football knowledge making decisions about our club. This is a Rupert style decision an will totally de-rail our season.. A person with no experience in managing a Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivangolac Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Ok, a different perspective. Nicola wants us to walk the league. With the money spent so far, we should. Would Man U fans be happy with our points tally at this stage of the season? With Marcus' passing, Nicola is going to be even more fired up and will demand nothing less than the best. Performances prior to Bristol Rovers were poor and we did not look like a team about to walk the league. I really liked AP, seemed a genuine guy. But we seemed to be stumbling towards a "pretty good" season again, much like the Burley season when we just missed out. Not good enough. I would suspect the decision was made before the Rovers game, hence the reactions. If we'd have played like we did against Orient then perhaps there might have been some different reactions Good luck Alan, you're a decent bloke. Nicola - please get someone in who can make subs before the last 5 mins of the game I agree with this .... Our owners are ruthless and success will be achieved. If our strikers performed as inconsistantly as Pardew we'd be calling for replacements. Time to go was probably pre season but now still give us a chance to get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Guardian A number of recently recruited figures to the coaching staff had resigned, reportedly citing discontent with Pardew and his closest staff. Giving the level of spending by the former West Ham United and Charlton Athletic manager, promotion is likely to be a minimum prerequisite for his successor. this is what guardian said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 O'Neil Keegan Hoddle Capello Strachan Mourinho Ferguson (Alex) ;-) I will take the last one please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 this is what guardian said just saw that Nick, very interesting and suggests that Pardew does not buy into this ''continental style'' that Cortese is trying to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Its totally laughable to sack Pardew, i and many other Saints fans know that Pardew was doing a damn good job. We started this season with a squad weaker than the one that finished last season. The fact that we hadn't replaced Waigo and Antonio yet did make me wonder if Cortese was trying to manufacture a situation that would make it look more acceptable to sack Pardew, it was no secret that they didn't see eye to eye. The fact that we won 4-0 at Bristol Rovers has made Corteses decision look what it is....REDICULOUS! I dread to think who will be appointed my gut feeling is that it will be Zola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Well Cortese has to deliver now. He obviously thinks he can do better than Pardew, now he has to put his money where his mouth is and quickly. If he lets this drift it could derail our entire season. I think it is a bizarre decision, the timing is absolutely appalling. Just when it seems weve got some momentum going this happens. Cortese better have a good replacement lined up. If Cortese fails to deliver in his new appointment this decision could haunt us for years. Anyway big thanks to AP and his staff for all theyve done and assembling our current squad and turning us into a big force in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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