Deppo Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Yeah what do I know having run a major sponsorship deal worth in today's money £20m pa..... You don't know the name of Saints' training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Yeah what do I know having run a major sponsorship deal worth in today's money £20m pa..... I took the view we needed every piece of coverage we could get right down to the mentions in real cartoons. Dunno what do you know oh super diddlyuper one ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Just back from a week's holiday to this. Unbelieveable, and that's from someone who has been ready to criticise Pardew, but the chairman should manage the manager, and sacking him is just a sign of failure by the chairman. If Cortese wanted things done differently, in his position he should have been able to ensure that. You can't help wondering if Markus was the obstacle to Cortese's desire to get rid, but to do it now, and apparantly without a replacement lined up, is pure madness. If we miss promotion this year, Cortese has lined himself up to take the blame, so he'd better hope this works out or Saints fans will simply vote with their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Just back from a week's holiday to this. Thank god! I thought something terrible had happened to you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 I'm happy to run the marketing under anybody to be honest. I didn't come here to make you believe in Jesus, you either do or you don't (Don Draper)... Either people can take professional advice or they can't. If they can't, I'm wasting mine and their time, and I care about mine! As for Saints and its brand values, I agree although I also worked in sports marketing for a while and I know that the value of rights in the media is a really tricky area. Part of me thinks Cortese is acting now as though we are already a Premiership Club. Take Manchester United, it won't be long before they think about selling their rights directly to the media, rather than in the collective SKY agreement... They know they could make more money this way. But then, they have the brand to justify it. I think our spat with the media is overblown. Most of those papers wouldn't have covered us anyway and wouldn't have put a picture in. If (or should that be when) we beat Manchester United in the FA Cup, they'll pay up quick enough, trust me! This is more like my view on the picture ban thingy. Only explained much better. The decissions seem daft now as the rags can take the P and make a thing of it. If we get things right on the pitch over the next couple of seasons the rags will be more inclined to play ball. I doubt we are asking for a kings Ransom for the pics so it's all about principle on both sides. As long as we do rubbish the rags will laugh or ignore. Make the step up a few times to be a decent prem team and they will laugh or ignore no more. In the mean time what the team achieve on the pitch is far more important than what tomorrows chip paper print. I noticed exit2 pointed out that a current and ex player he has asked laughed at the rumour of why pards has gone but there is still a fair bit that just doesn't fit. NC has obviously spoken to Wilkins about the plan going forward as he has told him he wants him in it. So it sounds like it may have been more pre-meditated. So why is there no replacement lined up? Half of what we think we know suggests it's a spur of the moment thing due to a decisive incident but the other half suggests it's been coming for quite a while. I just don't get either way as there either isn't enough of a contingency or there has been smoke for this fire for some time. It's one or the other but I can't work out which way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 Just back from a week's holiday to this. Unbelieveable, and that's from someone who has been ready to criticise Pardew, but the chairman should manage the manager, and sacking him is just a sign of failure by the chairman. If Cortese wanted things done differently, in his position he should have been able to ensure that. You can't help wondering if Markus was the obstacle to Cortese's desire to get rid, but to do it now, and apparantly without a replacement lined up, is pure madness. If we miss promotion this year, Cortese has lined himself up to take the blame, so he'd better hope this works out or Saints fans will simply vote with their feet. Well put, Professor, you mirror my feelings exactly. Still, what's done is done and we need to get back on track sharpish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 3 September, 2010 Share Posted 3 September, 2010 mate, Lallana would only tell you that if your mates with him, in which you would but a **** of a mate to say what he's said on here! TYPICAL FORUM ATTENTION SEEKER!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanger Posted 4 September, 2010 Share Posted 4 September, 2010 We're in danger (if not already) of becoming a laughing stock. NC bans press photographers - The Sun are having a right laugh at our expenxe then this. Just as I thought things were looking up despite the loss of ML. NC Get a grip, the fans ain't happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 September, 2010 Share Posted 4 September, 2010 We're in danger (if not already) of becoming a laughing stock. NC bans press photographers - The Sun are having a right laugh at our expenxe then this. Just as I thought things were looking up despite the loss of ML. NC Get a grip, the fans ain't happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Clanger , you are not W******d trying to wind people up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 4 September, 2010 Share Posted 4 September, 2010 I'm pretty sure this doesn't count as a libelous post as it's just rumour Heard today that Fonte was really close to completing a house purchase in Southampton and had done some hard bargaining to get a good price for the large property. However, he pulled out of the purchase yesterday. Maybe he had two irons in the fire and managed to buy another house.. however, he would have lost quite a sizable amount of cash by pulling out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 When the dust settles it might be worth comparing today's reactions with those in this thread when Pardew was sacked. No doubt I'll get slated for comparing apples with oranges but, as disappointed as I am in seeing Adkins go, I'm a pragmatist and prepared to see how things pan out before making a judgement on how bad or good this decision is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manina-pub Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 When the dust settles it might be worth comparing today's reactions with those in this thread when Pardew was sacked. No doubt I'll get slated for comparing apples with oranges but, as disappointed as I am in seeing Adkins go, I'm a pragmatist and prepared to see how things pan out before making a judgement on how bad or good this decision is. Bang on the money ! Well said sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Pards deserved it, Adkins didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 When the dust settles it might be worth comparing today's reactions with those in this thread when Pardew was sacked. No doubt I'll get slated for comparing apples with oranges but, as disappointed as I am in seeing Adkins go, I'm a pragmatist and prepared to see how things pan out before making a judgement on how bad or good this decision is. Adkins being a success didn't make sacking Pardew a correct decision. It was a stupid decision. Equally this is a stupid decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Adkins being a success didn't make sacking Pardew a correct decision. It was a stupid decision.Equally this is a stupid decision. .....which could also turn out to be a success. So, yes, I agree with you. Doesn't mean I should start throwing my toys out of my pram like some on here are doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CylonKing Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 What CB Fry said. When we look back on this decision, regardless of how the new guy does (even if we win every single trophy out there) it is the way in which we have treated Adkins. He didn't deserve this. He had turned our fortunes round and was building a nice run and getting us up the table. What more could he have done? It feels like the club have stabbed him in the back and that is just not acceptable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Adkins being a success didn't make sacking Pardew a correct decision. It was a stupid decision. Equally this is a stupid decision. Exactly. For all I know we might win more games under this fella than Adkins, but that's missing the point. I couldn't care less about chasing some sort of Champions League dream at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los_saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese was going to sack him anyway, doing it at a time whilst we're as high in the table as we've been all season is actually better for Nige. His stock is very high at the moment and he'll walk into any CCC club with a strong welcome from the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 .....which could also turn out to be a success. So, yes, I agree with you. Doesn't mean I should start throwing my toys out of my pram like some on here are doing You could call it toys out of pram. I'd call it shock and respect for a fine manager and man. But hey, fu ck him. Could all work out lovely, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 You could call it toys out of pram. I'd call it shock and respect for a fine manager and man. But hey, fu ck him. Could all work out lovely, eh? If those are the words you want to put in my mouth then fine - fill yer boots. #sigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If Cortese was going to sack him anyway, doing it at a time whilst we're as high in the table as we've been all season is actually better for Nige. His stock is very high at the moment and he'll walk into any CCC club with a strong welcome from the fans. Kindly take your common sense elsewhere please sir.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
los_saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Kindly take your common sense elsewhere please sir.... Sincere apologies Mr. Trousers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 If those are the words you want to put in my mouth then fine - fill yer boots. #sigh Says Mr "toys out of pram". Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_sinner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 everyone was up in arms and when an unknown Goalkeeper cum Physio Nigel Adkins was appointed, everyone was saying how terrible this was and that Cortese didnt know what he was doing!! Lets all protest about Pardews sacking!!! Turns out Cortese did know what he was doing! Fast forward 2 1/2 years and here we are again! Cortese is an astute business man and is not afraid of making unpopular decisions in the best interests of what is ultimately a multi-million pound business. It is his decision and however unpopular, we can't do anything about it other than support the new manager and the team. I remember when we were about to appoint Glenn Hoddle for the 2nd time, he was on his way here in a car on the M3 and Rupert changed his mind and the car turned around because of the potential fans backlash. This weak decision by Rupert cost him and us dearly as he lost his job and we went downhill rapidly from there. Bottom line if the fans ran the club or were involved in club decisions, we'd still be back in league 1. However unpopular, Pochettino is an inspired and brave appointment by Cortese and like Nigel when he came here, he deserves our support and doesnt deserve to be undermined by protests and stupid clapping. The timing sucks but thanks for all you've done Nigel but it's time to move up to the next level. We fans are fickle, when we win a few games and sign a couple of spanish/Argie starlets, you never know we'll all be happy and we'll all be chanting Pochettinos name in no time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ah Pards deserved it though. Not really a man manager, head turned by the Newcastle job over the summer, signed the most useless players, had one tactic (something that hasn't changed) and still is one of the most average managers in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_sinner Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ah Pards deserved it though. Not really a man manager, head turned by the Newcastle job over the summer, signed the most useless players, had one tactic (something that hasn't changed) and still is one of the most average managers in England. fans were still upset about it after the 'Cup win' though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 To be fair some of Nigel's signings have been pretty dodgy too. Pardew brought in Lambert, Fonte and Puncheon at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ah Pards deserved it though. Not really a man manager, head turned by the Newcastle job over the summer, signed the most useless players, had one tactic (something that hasn't changed) and still is one of the most average managers in England. There was no Newcastle job in that summer. Made up sh it by the C-o-C. Looking forward to seeing what mud they can come up with on dear old Nigel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I like my rose tinted spectacles of Pards better than a cold assessment of having generally a better percentage of good then bad signings (and forgetting we won the 3rd biggest English cup tournament and that the Ashley had already turned Pardew's head in August on the possibility of a job was only a a bit of journalism). Only facts I can pedal are he is tactically inept (we all saw) and he wasn't very good at getting the job done/dealing with the chairman (Swindon away and the I need more players so will pretty much throw away the result game was as classless as it gets) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I don't remember it being anything like this when Pardew was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 I don't remember it being anything like this when Pardew was sacked. Me neither. The rumours had been flying around for a while about his relationship with Nicola, and it was clear on the pitch that something wasn't right. Tactically he was a bit one-dimensional and although he laid the ground work in bringing some important players to the club and won the JPT, it was felt by many that he could not work with Cortese and had taken us as far as he was going to. Now I realise that there have been rumours circulating about Adkins for a long time as well, but the difference here is that he had reached a stage this season where things were really looking up on the pitch and showed that he had learned from his early-season mistakes and was growing in stature all the time with a team that looked confident and capable. I don't remember if there was a similar poll when Pardew went, but I'm betting that the percentage of fans on here who thought it was the correct decision would have been a lot higher than the 3% that currently think Adkins' dismissal was warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 many predicted this weeks ago and were laughed at. Cortese is a twaaat At least you're consistent.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Pardew was an odd one, he didn't have a huge fan base if I'm honest. He got mixed results here, and really should have got us playoff football that season. But he laid solid foundations, and for that we were able to progress forward. The appointment of NA felt right though, I liked him. He was young, enthusiastic, massively positive about the opportunity and was so honest. He also had success at his previous club for years. This fella is an unknown, complete non-entity to English fans. He was sacked because he wasn't getting results. Why are we sacking Adkins to go for a sacked/failed manager? I can understand if we go for a new manager who is high profile, will shock football etc, but why dispense of a hugely popular and successful manager for a complete non-English speaking unknown? It's also been done at an even worse time, because we're in a tricky position, mid-way through the season. It would have been bad enough in the summer, or this coming summer - but at least we'd have had a bit more leeway in terms of prep. He's been thrown into the lions den here. It just has to work immediately, there's no room for failure in this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 everyone was up in arms and when an unknown Goalkeeper cum Physio Nigel Adkins was appointed, everyone was saying how terrible this was and that Cortese didnt know what he was doing!! Lets all protest about Pardews sacking!!! When Pardew was sacked, we had those few games in between managers where his name was sung. People were annoyed at the sacking. I don't remember anyone being "up in arms" about Adkins' appointment though. As for "unknown Goalkeeper cum Physio", that's bullsh!t. I remember at the time everyone talking more about his two promotions with Scnthorpe and how he knows how to get out of League One, than his career as a goalkeeper... He certainly wasn't unknown. I went to his first game in charge, away at MK Dons. People were behind him, even though we lost. The memory of Pardew had all but faded away. I don't know if it'll be the same for Pochettino because of the success that Adkins bought us and because of the way he was ultimately treated. Pochettino was clearly lined up weeks ago behind Adkins' back and this leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Pardews record signing players was impeccable, whatever else he may or may not have done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 compare to adkins reactions...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Ah Pards deserved it though. Not really a man manager, head turned by the Newcastle job over the summer, signed the most useless players, had one tactic (something that hasn't changed) and still is one of the most average managers in England. like Lambert, Fonte, Puncheon, you mean?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 the same words are being used then like they are today..... the poll is different though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 (edited) At least you're consistent.... Indeed. Sadly this situation is entirely different. We got two promotions under Adkins and were progressing well this year. Edited 19 January, 2013 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 everyone was up in arms and when an unknown Goalkeeper cum Physio Nigel Adkins was appointed, everyone was saying how terrible this was and that Cortese didnt know what he was doing!! Lets all protest about Pardews sacking!!! Turns out Cortese did know what he was doing! Fast forward 2 1/2 years and here we are again! Cortese is an astute business man and is not afraid of making unpopular decisions in the best interests of what is ultimately a multi-million pound business. It is his decision and however unpopular, we can't do anything about it other than support the new manager and the team. I remember when we were about to appoint Glenn Hoddle for the 2nd time, he was on his way here in a car on the M3 and Rupert changed his mind and the car turned around because of the potential fans backlash. This weak decision by Rupert cost him and us dearly as he lost his job and we went downhill rapidly from there. Bottom line if the fans ran the club or were involved in club decisions, we'd still be back in league 1. However unpopular, Pochettino is an inspired and brave appointment by Cortese and like Nigel when he came here, he deserves our support and doesnt deserve to be undermined by protests and stupid clapping. The timing sucks but thanks for all you've done Nigel but it's time to move up to the next level. We fans are fickle, when we win a few games and sign a couple of spanish/Argie starlets, you never know we'll all be happy and we'll all be chanting Pochettinos name in no time This is exactly how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2013 Share Posted 18 January, 2013 Indeed. Sadly this situation is entirely different. We got two promotions under Adkins and were progressing well this year. He is still a twaaaat. Progressing. Don't think that is what NC wants, convinced he thinks we can go to the CL, and that has to be good thing. He has already shown he will not do a Leeds, but whether he can really achieve that, we'll that's the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 lots here saying how mental this decision was...lets hope MP is another adkins for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 20 January, 2013 Share Posted 20 January, 2013 Progressing. Don't think that is what NC wants, convinced he thinks we can go to the CL, and that has to be good thing. He has already shown he will not do a Leeds, but whether he can really achieve that, we'll that's the question. This is exactly how it is. This is exactly how it is not. You only see in retrospect that Adkins replacement of Pardew was a good decision. Your evaluation is influenced by what is sometimes called outcome bias. It's even more tenuous to extend outcome bias to the current situation, i.e. Cortese was right with Pardew/Adkins so he must be right with the current sacking. Consider the current replacement of Adkins by new bloke and tell me it's not a monumental risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 Now sacked by Palace... https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/22/crystal-palace-alan-pardew-sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 Didn't see that one coming.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 Amazing, and people were saying he should be England boss!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 I thought the wise people on here were telling us the Puel will be gone by Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 Nice Xmas present!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 Only I.Branfoot (25 in 1993), O.Coyle (25 in 2011) & J.Lyall (23 in 1994) lost more PL games in a year than Alan Pardew (22) in 2016. Had to get that in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 22 December, 2016 Share Posted 22 December, 2016 Is he only the second sacking this season (after Guidolin)? Seems lower than the norm by this time of the campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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