Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[kpturner]

Oh good, that sounds like a rimming endorsement.

Is that an advert in a porn mag or what?

[exit2]

to sum it up, this is a bit of gossip that people maybe are wanting to be true so that AP's sacking can be justified and NC can move on to take our club to bigger and better things

[CitySaint]

We can only work with Fact's....

 

First fact it is clear that a replacement has NOT lined up, would Cortese really leave the club managerless a day before the transfer window closed unless he really had to? Probably not.

Secondly, would he sack Pardew after a win, if he really had to? Probably not, he has had 2 better reasons to sack him previously this season.

 

Something has come to a head to make his sacking essential/inevitable.

 

I presume we will never know what, but things do not quite add up at the moment.

[NickG]

or a bit of gossip which is bizarre, but seems to explain the odds circumstances we have and we are struggling with other ideas!

[exit2]

or a bit of gossip which is bizarre, but seems to explain the odds circumstances we have and we are struggling with other ideas!

 

FFS, not being funny I could make up 10 stoires off the top of my head that would fit the odds circumstances, 9 of them could be totally outragous involving fast cars, hookers and drugs and one that says the continuing differences between NC and AP came to a head and NC terminated his contract with immeadiate effect as is done in the football world weekly

[Whitey Grandad]

I'm not too bothered now about what may or may not have happened, all that's important is that we get the right person in pronto and get on with the business of shooting up the league.

[Windmill Arm 2]

Why is there a Poll FFS ??? NOBODY here knows the full story, so how can anybody correctly vote in a fecking poll??

 

Honestly, this forum is M E N T A L !!!!!!??????

[buctootim]

FFS, not being funny I could make up 10 stoires off the top of my head that would fit the odds circumstances, 9 of them could be totally outragous involving fast cars, hookers and drugs and one that says the continuing differences between NC and AP came to a head and NC terminated his contract with immeadiate effect.

 

I dont buy the continuing differences story. If Pardew was just a chronic and continuing irritation to Cortese, like the poster above said, he would have planned Pardews exit carefully and had someone in place ready to go.

[kpturner]

Why is there a Poll FFS ??? NOBODY here knows the full story, so how can anybody correctly vote in a fecking poll??

 

Honestly, this forum is M E N T A L !!!!!!??????

By voting "Don't know" of course.

[Weston Saint]

There most certainly will be. You don't sack someone on hundreds of thousand a year without a compromise agreement and you don't have a compromise agreement without a confidentiality provision.

It was a 10 minute meeting. I doubt there was any compromise.

[NickG]

I dont buy the continuing differences story. If Pardew was just a chronic and continuing irritation to Cortese, like the poster above said, he would have planned Pardews exit carefully and had someone in place ready to go.

 

and done it in summer

[Greenridge]

I dont buy the continuing differences story. If Pardew was just a chronic and continuing irritation to Cortese, like the poster above said, he would have planned Pardews exit carefully and had someone in place ready to go.

 

I honestly expected us to announce a replacement within hours which clearly wasn't the case, maybe there was a last minute hitch with the candidate who was lined up or maybe it was unplanned (at that time) afterall

[Wes Tender]

Why is there a Poll FFS ??? NOBODY here knows the full story, so how can anybody correctly vote in a fecking poll??

 

Honestly, this forum is M E N T A L !!!!!!??????

 

What has that got to do with anything? People on here don't need to know the facts to reach conclusions and form opinions. If this didn't occur to the person who decided to have the poll, why should it occur to anybody with even less sense, like those people who voted yes instead of don't know?

[saintjay77]

to sum it up, this is a bit of gossip that people maybe are wanting to be true so that AP's sacking can be justified and NC can move on to take our club to bigger and better things

 

Works for me. )

 

Might be worth putting something on the front page saying view's, rumours and opinions on this site are all guff so please don't sue us if we offend anyone. )

[saintjay77]

What has that got to do with anything? People on here don't need to know the facts to reach conclusions and form opinions. If this didn't occur to the person who decided to have the poll, why should it occur to anybody with even less sense, like those people who voted yes instead of don't know?

 

I voted don't know even though I know NC was right to sack pards if he was out of order but wrong if he wasn't. HTH

[eharty9]

Pardew was sacked because he was ****ing the secretary. don't beleive me, don't beleive me.

[Robsk II]

Voted don't know because none of us know the facts. Apart from Deppo. Nutshell.

[Red and White Army]

Saints fans have two choices; support the chairman and whoever he appoints as manager and hope we can get the promotion campaign back on track, or they can squeal, moan, b*tch, mewl and puke, including in the stands, creating a sh*t atmosphere that helps demotivate the team, and in that manner ENSURE the promotion campaign as well as an innocent new manager fails.

 

In other words, they can behave like 99% of fans and support the team or they can behave like like alpine_saint and be completely useless whining *****es. Let's hope we just have the one alpine_saint, although that is already one too many.

[benjii]

It was a 10 minute meeting. I doubt there was any compromise.

 

It probably hasn't been documented yet then. In fact, I doubt he's been sacked yet, probably just told not to come in. There is no way there won't be some agreement signed by both parties unless Pards decides he'd rather create a ****-storm than disappear quietly with a big wad of cash.

[Smirking_Saint]

He probably won't get the cash if he gets a pay off ? Unless you mean from the papers etc ??

 

It also depends what has actually happened, if it is Pardews fault (of which i am leaning towards from what i hear) then he has no basis to go to the papers etc, what would be the point ?

 

Whats done is done, i hope now the club will sit down and hire a committed, motivated and tactically astute manager who can get the best out of our players.

[Wes Tender]

In other words, they can behave like 99% of fans and support the team or they can behave like like alpine_saint and be completely useless whining *****es. Let's hope we just have the one alpine_saint, although that is already one too many.

 

So at the Swindon match, all of those fans who were chanting Pardew's name or the morons who were chanting "on the pitch", were all supporting the team were they? Seems to me that given the choice of supporting the team or showing support for a departed manager who has left for whatever reason unknown, many chose to support the departed manager, so for the time being, your 99% figure looks a bit ropey.

[Saint 76er]

It was a 10 minute meeting. I doubt there was any compromise.

 

A 10 minute meeting, three men gone and no succession plan in place does tend to suggest an executive reaction to some immediate problem of a serious nature.

 

One thing that has concerned me is the amount of club funds effectively wasted on the payouts. However, should this matter involve conduct unbecoming then I wonder if paying out contracts would be legally necessary in those circumstances? Would probably save about a million or so if not.

 

There has been no mention of 'mutual agreement' which is the norm for sackings based on lack of playing form and an outright dismissal for other reasons appears to be the inference here...

[Smirking_Saint]

A 10 minute meeting, three men gone and no succession plan in place does tend to suggest an executive reaction to some immediate problem of a serious nature.

 

One thing that has concerned me is the amount of club funds effectively wasted on the payouts. However, should this matter involve conduct unbecoming then I wonder if paying out contracts would be legally necessary in those circumstances? Would probably save about a million or so if not.

 

There has been no mention of 'mutual agreement' which is the norm for sackings based on lack of playing form and an outright dismissal for other reasons appears to be the inference here...

 

This

[alpine_saint]

A 10 minute meeting, three men gone and no succession plan in place does tend to suggest an executive reaction to some immediate problem of a serious nature.

 

One thing that has concerned me is the amount of club funds effectively wasted on the payouts. However, should this matter involve conduct unbecoming then I wonder if paying out contracts would be legally necessary in those circumstances? Would probably save about a million or so if not.

 

There has been no mention of 'mutual agreement' which is the norm for sackings based on lack of playing form and an outright dismissal for other reasons appears to be the inference here...

 

Very good post. Especially agree with the highlighted part. This cannot have been a result issue.

[John B]

Pardew was sacked because he was ****ing the secretary. don't beleive me, don't beleive me.

 

And the other two as well?

[Deppo]

to sum it up, this is a bit of gossip that people maybe are wanting to be true so that AP's sacking can be justified and NC can move on to take our club to bigger and better things

 

Or perhaps a bit of truth that some are wanting to be gossip so that the villainising of NC can continue to be justified?

[docker-p]

NOBODY here knows the full story, so how can anybody correctly vote in a fecking poll??

It's a modern phenomena in the western world, we draw information from various points, assimilate them and draw what's called an 'opinion'.

Many people do it hundreds of times a day to go about their business.

What I find surprising is that as many as 30% tried that process and failed to form an 'opinion'.

[SaintRichmond]

He probably won't get the cash if he gets a pay off ? Unless you mean from the papers etc ??

 

It also depends what has actually happened, if it is Pardews fault (of which i am leaning towards from what i hear) then he has no basis to go to the papers etc, what would be the point ?

 

Whats done is done, i hope now the club will sit down and hire a committed, motivated and tactically astute manager who can get the best out of our players.

 

Now I know why you are called "Smirking Saint"

 

Funniest post to date

 

Congrats

[alpine_saint]

It's a modern phenomena in the western world, we draw information from various points, assimilate them and draw what's called an 'opinion'.

Many people do it hundreds of times a day to go about their business.

What I find surprising is that as many as 30% tried that process and failed to form an 'opinion'.

 

I think the 30% have answered the poll in the only way possible. Interesting that this percentage has rise whilst the "no" has dropped. The "yes" has remained fairly constant.

[Deppo]

There is a strong rumour in football circles that he was at it with Carl Fletcher's wife at West Ham, by all accounts. And his own PA. They say that is what led to his sacking there.

[alpine_saint]

There is a strong rumour in football circles that he was at it with Carl Fletcher's wife at West Ham, by all accounts. And his own PA. They say that is what led to his sacking there.

 

Bit of a swordsman, our AP...

 

Bet he's hung like a donkey.

[buctootim]

I think the 30% have answered the poll in the only way possible. Interesting that this percentage has rise whilst the "no" has dropped. The "yes" has remained fairly constant.

 

Noticed that. If you compared the votes cast on Monday and Tuesday with those cast on Wednesday and Thursday they would give totally different results.

[Deppo]

Surely the players would be smart enough to know that the fans don't have a ****ing clue why AP was sacked.

 

If Pardew was attempting to **** your missus, wouldn't it **** you off if your fans were singing his name?

[Toomer]

There is a strong rumour in football circles that he was at it with Carl Fletcher's wife at West Ham, by all accounts. And his own PA. They say that is what led to his sacking there.

 

Rumour has it that it was going on 40 odd years ago with Terry Paine and Tony Knapp's wife.

[Deppo]

Deppo was raised on the planet Eriadu, a factory world which served as Grand Muff Wilhuff Tarkin's seat of governorship over much of the Outer Rim Territories.

Deppo was an audacious youth and showed great stupidity at a young age, displaying little to no interest in anything outside of working on vehicles and empty vessels. He became very dedicated to his work as he grew older, so much so that he never recognized the amount of death and destruction his posts would end up causing by frustrated readers having to give up on every thread because he had taken them over and turned them into boring, pointless wastes of time.

 

You just haven't noticed that they were a boring, pointless waste of time in the first place. I just help people see that.

[buctootim]

Rumour has it that it was going on 40 odd years ago with Terry Paine and Tony Knapp's wife.

 

Im not sure its fair to blame Pardew for that.

[doddisalegend]

There is a strong rumour in football circles that he was at it with Carl Fletcher's wife at West Ham, by all accounts. And his own PA. They say that is what led to his sacking there.

 

Didn't do John Terry any harm did it, if it's true football is a results game managers and plays don't get sacked for screwing around, also it still doesn't explain why the players played very well until AP is sacked and then play badly, surely it would have been the other way around?

[saintjay77]

It's a modern phenomena in the western world, we draw information from various points, assimilate them and draw what's called an 'opinion'.

Many people do it hundreds of times a day to go about their business.

What I find surprising is that as many as 30% tried that process and failed to form an 'opinion'.

 

I formed an opinion that I dont know if the club was right or not to sack Pardew based on the fact that I dont know why he was sacked. If I knew why he was sacked I might be able to change my opinion to agreeing with the club or disagreeing with the club.

 

The rumour that he looks like the guy from the Pet Shop Boys was the cause for his sacking would get my vote but any of the other rumours and I am not so sure I would blindly follow the club.

[doddisalegend]

If Pardew was attempting to **** your missus, wouldn't it **** you off if your fans were singing his name?

 

Not If no one had explained it to them no.

[Deppo]

Didn't do John Terry any harm did it, if it's true football is a results game managers and plays don't get sacked for screwing around

 

It does if half the first team go to the chairman and put a "him or me" ultimatum down. As for the second part of your post, I can't explain that. Cortese made a big thing about it "not being results-based", perhaps he told the team that they needed to win so that he could get rid? Who knows? That is just supposition, by the way.

[Deppo]

Not If no one had explained it to them no.

 

Then you are a fine man. Well done you.

[saintjay77]

Didn't do John Terry any harm did it, if it's true football is a results game managers and plays don't get sacked for screwing around, also it still doesn't explain why the players played very well until AP is sacked and then play badly, surely it would have been the other way around?

 

Terry lost the England captaincy because of his screwing around because it effected another England player. Had Bridge still been at Chelsea he may have been punished more by his club?

 

When the Manager over steps the mark it can effect the whole team more than just one player so maybe the punishments would differ.

 

Playing well under Pards and not without him is bizare though. Next game will be interesting as the fans should get back to supporting the team and if Pards is not being supported and the team still play crap then we can strike off the idea that the players are arsed off with Pards support.

[doddisalegend]

It does if half the first team go to the chairman and put a "him or me" ultimatum down. As for the second part of your post, I can't explain that. Cortese made a big thing about it "not being results-based", perhaps he told the team that they needed to win so that he could get rid? Who knows? That is just supposition, by the way.

 

LOL in that case he should of told them that the would have to get promoted and win the JPT to get rid of AP.

[eharty9]

The club was going to sack the secretary as Pardew's role was obviously more important, but Pardew was the bigger man and said he'd go to save her job.

[Whitey Grandad]

A 10 minute meeting, three men gone and no succession plan in place does tend to suggest an executive reaction to some immediate problem of a serious nature.

 

One thing that has concerned me is the amount of club funds effectively wasted on the payouts. However, should this matter involve conduct unbecoming then I wonder if paying out contracts would be legally necessary in those circumstances? Would probably save about a million or so if not.

 

There has been no mention of 'mutual agreement' which is the norm for sackings based on lack of playing form and an outright dismissal for other reasons appears to be the inference here...

Even with cases of gross misconduct there is a procedure that must be followed. Failure to follow procedure makes a dismissal automatically unfair.

[saintjay77]

Even with cases of gross misconduct there is a procedure that must be followed. Failure to follow procedure makes a dismissal automatically unfair.

 

Get out and dont come back is basically sacked on the spot. Normal process would then follow to get the contract canceled officially but it wouldnt stop the business proceeding to find a replacement and so on.

[Whitey Grandad]

Get out and dont come back is basically sacked on the spot. Normal process would then follow to get the contract canceled officially but it wouldnt stop the business proceeding to find a replacement and so on.

 

No, but it would mean that there would probably be compensation in some form. Normally there is a payoff to keep the employee quiet. It saves dragging eveything through employment tribunals.

[saintjay77]

No, but it would mean that there would probably be compensation in some form. Normally there is a payoff to keep the employee quiet. It saves dragging eveything through employment tribunals.

 

Violent conduct wouldnt leave him anything to fight through the tribunals. So if the rumour of a fight has any truth in it then he could be out on his ear getting only what his contract says he can get. If it states that its fully paid up no matter what the reasons for the departure then thats what he will get.

 

If its paid up to the date he gets sacked plus holiday owed then thats all he will get. NC will not pay him a shed load of money for him to keep quiet if Pards is guilty of gross misconduct. If Pards speaks out to cash in then the dirt will come out and it will be him that looks bad.

 

This is all of course if there is any truth in that rumour. Pards would be the one that would want it kept quiet and NC would be acting professionally if he deals with it in house and moves on. If either go blabbing about how wronged they have been it will turn into a farce and no-one will gain.

 

My money is on no matter what has happened, we wont hear much about it and will have to make do with rumours. If NC makes a good appointment for the manager job then we will quickly forget about Pards as we steam up the league. If we dont it will be the talking point for the next couple of years.

[alpine_saint]

There has been a definite sea change on this site in the last 48hrs, I've noted.

 

The abuse of NC has stopped, and there is serious discussion about how this has come about.

 

Although the speculation is not beneficial, I am glad that the ranting has ended. There is still a job for NC to do.

[hypochondriac]

There has been a definite sea change on this site in the last 48hrs, I've noted.

 

The abuse of NC has stopped, and there is serious discussion about how this has come about.

 

Although the speculation is not beneficial, I am glad that the ranting has ended. There is still a job for NC to do.

 

How funny. I noticed the opposite. Of course there is likely to be less concern expressed because the initial shock is what gets people's backs up so much. I imagine people have expressed their (largely negative) views about this and have nothing else to say until we see what quality of manager is coming in. That is the sensible cause of action to take. Most have strongly criticised NC for this and other policies but with the caveat that if we can attract a better manager then fair enough.