Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[Tractor_Saint]

The story above is exactly what I have been told from my very own source. I know the player involved too, but it would be unfair to name him. Anyway, the players were united against Pardew. Cortese has done exactly the right thing, I'm afraid to say.

 

Is it me or are these WUMs breeding around SWF?

[exit2]

Sorry but this is all ********!. We have seen it before, everytime a player or manager leaves unexpected one of these stories crops up. A few years back we had an issue where a player was ****ging another wife and it nearly got the old forum shut down apart from some pleading to the players and their wives directly stopped legal action being taken.

 

You have to look at

 

1. The players performance against Swindon, if Pardew was such a **** then surely they would all be relieved andplay great, but no we get a team who look really ****ed off and couldnt give a crap. The game beofre we played great against Bolton.

 

2. The player concerned - So far I have heard 3 different names

 

3. The "incident" was meant to have happened over 3 weeks ago, so why leave till a day before the transfer window.

 

TBH honest I didnt take much notice of the rumour until just a bit was forwarded to me by a mate

 

"There is no one being lined up as of yet, this is an unfortunate situation we find ourselves in but we need to back Cortese during what has undeniably been a hard time for him recently. Applications are being sifted through and candidates being selected for interviews

[sadoldgit]

Have never seen him undermined, was given the vote of confidence and has been allowed to assemble a good squad.

 

I am always reticent in listenning to certain posters ITK gossip.

 

I didn't get the impression that that worked closely togther. If it is true about Guly and the transfer committee then how much of the sqaud was Pardew "allowed" to assemble? As for Vote of Confidence, we all know what that means. And as for undermining, sometimes you can do that without saying a word - like no praise for Pardew whatsoever when we won the cup.

[Deppo]

Have never seen him undermined, was given the vote of confidence and has been allowed to assemble a good squad.

 

I am always reticent in listenning to certain posters ITK gossip.

 

Everyone should be reticent about listening to gossip, and I wish that I could give you a little more to convince you but I can't. You will just have to make your own mind up. The nature of the incidents will make it very difficult for anyone to make an official statement about them, sadly. I trust my source implicitly; I don't expect you to trust me the same way.

[Deppo]

Sorry but this is all ********!. We have seen it before, everytime a player or manager leaves unexpected one of these stories crops up. A few years back we had an issue where a player was ****ging another wife and it nearly got the old forum shut down apart from some pleading to the players and their wives directly stopped legal action being taken.

 

You have to look at

 

1. The players performance against Swindon, if Pardew was such a **** then surely they would all be relieved andplay great, but no we get a team who look really ****ed off and couldnt give a crap. The game beofre we played great against Bolton.

 

2. The player concerned - So far I have heard 3 different names

 

3. The "incident" was meant to have happened over 3 weeks ago, so why leave till a day before the transfer window.

 

TBH honest I didnt take much notice of the rumour until just a bit was forwarded to me by a mate

 

"There is no one being lined up as of yet, this is an unfortunate situation we find ourselves in but we need to back Cortese during what has undeniably been a hard time for him recently. Applications are being sifted through and candidates being selected for interviews

 

The players were ****ed off at the backing of Pardew from the terraces.

[sadoldgit]

The story above is exactly what I have been told from my very own source. I know the player involved too, but it would be unfair to name him. Anyway, the players were united against Pardew. Cortese has done exactly the right thing, I'm afraid to say.

 

Well, if they were so united against Pardew why did they forget all about it at Bristol?

[alpine_saint]

The BBC have taken that article down.

 

However, there is quite a bit of detail there now.

 

Considering the rough few weeks NC has had- if this is true - AP comes out of this looking like a prize c**t.

 

I hope certain people will have the humility to express regret for their comments about NC if that is the case.

[sadoldgit]

Sorry but this is all ********!. We have seen it before, everytime a player or manager leaves unexpected one of these stories crops up. A few years back we had an issue where a player was ****ging another wife and it nearly got the old forum shut down apart from some pleading to the players and their wives directly stopped legal action being taken.

 

You have to look at

 

1. The players performance against Swindon, if Pardew was such a **** then surely they would all be relieved andplay great, but no we get a team who look really ****ed off and couldnt give a crap. The game beofre we played great against Bolton.

 

2. The player concerned - So far I have heard 3 different names

 

3. The "incident" was meant to have happened over 3 weeks ago, so why leave till a day before the transfer window.

 

TBH honest I didnt take much notice of the rumour until just a bit was forwarded to me by a mate

 

"There is no one being lined up as of yet, this is an unfortunate situation we find ourselves in but we need to back Cortese during what has undeniably been a hard time for him recently. Applications are being sifted through and candidates being selected for interviews

 

This

[shurlock]

Everyone should be reticent about listening to gossip, and I wish that I could give you a little more to convince you but I can't. You will just have to make your own mind up. The nature of the incidents will make it very difficult for anyone to make an official statement about them, sadly. I trust my source implicitly; I don't expect you to trust me the same way.

 

Listening to your mate, how would account for the decent performances against Bolton and Brizzle R and the poor performance yesterday if the incident was a ticking timebomb of unrest in the club and resentment towards Pards, finally defused by mon's sacking?

[sadoldgit]

The BBC have taken that article down.

 

However, there is quite a bit of detail there now.

 

Considering the rough few weeks NC has had- if this is true - AP comes out of this looking like a prize c**t.

 

I hope certain people will have the humility to express regret for their comments about NC if that is the case.

 

What if it is not the case? And if so, why wait 3 weeks to sack people?

[alpine_saint]

What if it is not the case? And if so, why wait 3 weeks to sack people?

 

Look, I dont know how we are going to get to the bottom of this either way.

 

Saints fans have two choices; support the chairman and whoever he appoints as manager and hope we can get the promotion campaign back on track, or they can squeal, moan, b*tch, mewl and puke, including in the stands, creating a sh*t atmosphere that helps demotivate the team, and in that manner ENSURE the promotion campaign as well as an innocent new manager fails.

 

Which is it to be ?

[sadoldgit]

If the story about Pardew is true, then I agree he should have gone. If it is a smokescreen to show Cortese in a good light then he is not a fit and proper person to be in charge of our club.

[buctootim]

What if it is not the case? And if so, why wait 3 weeks to sack people?

 

Because you have to investigate allegations and be damn sure of your facts before you act.

[buctootim]

Well, if they were so united against Pardew why did they forget all about it at Bristol?

 

Because they felt the club were dealing with it properly?

[sadoldgit]

Look, I dont know how we are going to get to the bottom of this either way.

 

Saints fans have two choices; support the chairman and whoever he appoints as manager and hope we can get the promotion campaign back on track, or they can squeal, moan, b*tch, mewl and puke, including in the stands, creating a sh*t atmosphere that helps demotivate the team, and in that manner ENSURE the promotion campaign as well as an innocent new manager fails.

 

Which is it to be ?

 

I will support the new manager whoever he may be Alps, but I don't trust the CEO one bit.

[sadoldgit]

Because they felt the club were dealing with it properly?

 

3 weeks? I have been involved in incidents like this are they are dealt with in days not weeks

[shurlock]

If the story about Pardew is true, then I agree he should have gone. If it is a smokescreen to show Cortese in a good light then he is not a fit and proper person to be in charge of our club.

 

Unlikely - can't believe that this would be put out by anyone close to NC if its spin because of the huge risks - after all, its sufficiently personal and vicious that if it spread Pards would feel inclined to fight back and report what really happened, causing even greater damage to NC.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by shurlock

[buctootim]

3 weeks? I have been involved in incidents like this are they are dealt with in days not weeks

 

To interview everybody at Staplewood in the aftermath of Liebherr's death, come to decision, negotiate with family who presumably are in mourning and with other things on mind, draw up termination agreement have disciplinary meeting with Pardew in a few days. Dont think so.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by buctootim

[sadoldgit]

It has spread quite a lot already.

[alpine_saint]

To interview everybody at Staplewood in the aftermath of Liebherr's death, come to decision, draw up termination agreement have disciplinary meeting with Pardew in a few days. Dont think so.

 

Agreed. There is a little matter of NC having other things on his mind recently.

 

I still dont get the difference in performance between before (Rovers) and after (Swindon) though. If the story is true, would have expected the difference to be the other way. Might explain why we went off the boil so badly against Plymouth though.

[NickG]

I didn't get the impression that that worked closely togther. If it is true about Guly and the transfer committee then how much of the sqaud was Pardew "allowed" to assemble? As for Vote of Confidence, we all know what that means. And as for undermining, sometimes you can do that without saying a word - like no praise for Pardew whatsoever when we won the cup.

 

that is the bit for me. Just don't go in for the "I am close to the club and you will never guess what I heard" style of certain posters. Who invariably get in wrong anyway.

 

I suspect that nearly all of the signings in this window were by committee.

 

Rednapp was on radio today saying how his chairman approached him and said Van derr Vaart is available and has agreed a price if HR wanted him.

[sadoldgit]

To interview everybody at Staplewood in the aftermath of Liebherr's death, come to decision, draw up termination agreement have disciplinary meeting with Pardew in a few days. Dont think so.

 

You wouldn't interview everyone at Staplewood. After interviewing a few main people you would make up your mind pretty quickly if it was a sacking offence. He was sacked remember? Trust me, if it was a fight things move really quickly. It doesn't take the best part of a month.

[NickG]

Everyone should be reticent about listening to gossip, and I wish that I could give you a little more to convince you but I can't. You will just have to make your own mind up. The nature of the incidents will make it very difficult for anyone to make an official statement about them, sadly. I trust my source implicitly; I don't expect you to trust me the same way.

 

I trust you like you were my own brother.

[sadoldgit]

that is the bit for me. Just don't go in for the "I am close to the club and you will never guess what I heard" style of certain posters. Who invariably get in wrong anyway.

 

I suspect that nearly all of the signings in this window were by committee.

 

Rednapp was on radio today saying how his chairman approached him and said Van derr Vaart is available and has agreed a price if HR wanted him.

 

So NC approaches AP and says we can buy this Brazilian midfielder and AP says no thanks???

[exit2]

To interview everybody at Staplewood in the aftermath of Liebherr's death, come to decision, draw up termination agreement have disciplinary meeting with Pardew in a few days. Dont think so.

 

Really? If this allegation was brought to NC's attention with players threatening to hand in transfer requests etc, this would have been dealt with sooner ,maybe not his contract terminated but he would have been put on gardening leave, withdrawn from his position until further notice and this does happen in football ie Martin Allen I beleive was put on gardening leave. It would have not been left 3 weeks!

[NickG]

So NC approaches AP and says we can buy this Brazilian midfielder and AP says no thanks???

 

Did he? His solent interview sounded very keen

[shurlock]

It has spread quite a lot already.

 

Still at the stage of saddo fans idol gossip but if it spreads to the point where the media pick up on it -as i say unlikely at the moment- Pards action or inaction will reveal alot.

[Dr Who?]

It has spread quite a lot already.

 

urban myths do this all the time, and a lot of the time they come out as 'news'.

[NickG]

brother in Cardiff rang to ask about it as someone he works with (not saints fan) asked about it!

[sadoldgit]

Perhaps it is a bit of both? Cortese wants rid of Pardew but is backed into a corner and can't sack him. It kicks off a bit at training (anyone remember that footage of Berkovic nearly having his head kicked off by Hartson?) and NC uses that as a reason to sack Pardew. He gets rid of two more to make it look better.

[sadoldgit]

Did he? His solent interview sounded very keen

 

I don't know mate, I was just "putting it out there" as there was a suggestion that there was a row about his signing.

[Robsk II]

Nutshell.

 

Nutshell.

[shurlock]

Did he? His solent interview sounded very keen

 

Agree - whereas he admitted to knowing practically nothing about Papa and found his own ignorance almost amusing, seemed to talk about Guly in far less evasive terms.

[buctootim]

Really? If this allegation was brought to NC's attention with players threatening to hand in transfer requests etc, this would have been dealt with sooner ,maybe not his contract terminated but he would have been put on gardening leave, withdrawn from his position until further notice and this does happen in football ie Martin Allen I beleive was put on gardening leave. It would have not been left 3 weeks!

 

The post said the incident happended whilst the memorial service for ML was being planned. The service happened on the 18th Aug, so lets say the incident was on Friday 13th (good as any) or Monday 16th. Pardew was sacked on the 29th. That makes the timeframe 13 days min or 16 days max. Thats a totally reasonable timeframe imo. In fact it hints at Cortese trying to find a way out of a disruptive sacking rather than jumping in all guns blazing.

Edited 1 September, 2010 by buctootim

[benjii]

Perhaps it is a bit of both? Cortese wants rid of Pardew but is backed into a corner and can't sack him. It kicks off a bit at training (anyone remember that footage of Berkovic nearly having his head kicked off by Hartson?) and NC uses that as a reason to sack Pardew. He gets rid of two more to make it look better.

 

Ok - but that still begs the question of why he "wanted rid" of Pardew. If it was footballing reasons then surely he would have gone over the summer.

[doddisalegend]

The players were ****ed off at the backing of Pardew from the terraces.

 

Surely the players would be smart enough to know that the fans don't have a ****ing clue why AP was sacked.

[benjii]

The post said the incident happended whilst the memorial service for ML was being planned. The service happened on the 18th Aug, so lets say the incident was on Friday 13th (good as any) or Monday 16th. Pardew was sacked on the 29th. That makes the timeframe 13 days min or 16 days max. Thats a totally reasonable timeframe imo.

 

Bearing in mind that any investigation probably wouldn't have started until the 19th at the earliest - probably not until after the Orient game in fact, once Markus' relatives had gone back to Switzerland.

 

What is odd about this story though, is how lots of people claim to know about it now but yet no one knew about it at the time of the alleged bust-up.

[exit2]

The post said the incident happended whilst the memorial service for ML was being planned. The service happened on the 18th Aug, so lets say the incident was on Friday 13th (good as any) or Monday 16th. Pardew was sacked on the 29th. That makes the timeframe 13 days min or 16 days max. Thats a totally reasonable timeframe imo.

 

What? for a major incident? Players handing in transfer requests? Fighting? no way, he would have been put on gardening leave, not taken training etc etc and then out of the door. To add to that all 3 coaches were sacked, so if there was a mjor problem between them 3 and the team , training etc would have been a nightmare.

[sadoldgit]

Ok - but that still begs the question of why he "wanted rid" of Pardew. If it was footballing reasons then surely he would have gone over the summer.

 

Perhaps with Markus gone....who knows? There are lots of things that just don't add up.

[doddisalegend]

The post said the incident happended whilst the memorial service for ML was being planned. The service happened on the 18th Aug, so lets say the incident was on Friday 13th (good as any) or Monday 16th. Pardew was sacked on the 29th. That makes the timeframe 13 days min or 16 days max. Thats a totally reasonable timeframe imo.

 

I doubt it. If someone had been assualted the accused would have been relived of duty with immediate effect until an investagation had taken place. If this incident was as bad as made out surely AP and the others would have been put on immediate gardening leave. If the effect on the team was so awful why let him continue managing for 3 more matches? doesn't make any sense.

[Victor]

Not the case for Deppo...he adds a needed bit of humour to this forum......keep it up Deppo

 

Deppo was raised on the planet Eriadu, a factory world which served as Grand Muff Wilhuff Tarkin's seat of governorship over much of the Outer Rim Territories.

Deppo was an audacious youth and showed great stupidity at a young age, displaying little to no interest in anything outside of working on vehicles and empty vessels. He became very dedicated to his work as he grew older, so much so that he never recognized the amount of death and destruction his posts would end up causing by frustrated readers having to give up on every thread because he had taken them over and turned them into boring, pointless wastes of time.

[sadoldgit]

Bearing in mind that any investigation probably wouldn't have started until the 19th at the earliest - probably not until after the Orient game in fact, once Markus' relatives had gone back to Switzerland.

 

What is odd about this story though, is how lots of people claim to know about it now but yet no one knew about it at the time of the alleged bust-up.

 

Good point. If it kicked off that badly where several people were involved the goss would have spread like wildfire surely?

[buctootim]

What is odd about this story though, is how lots of people claim to know about it now but yet no one knew about it at the time of the alleged bust-up.

 

I guess people tend to be more tight lipped before a decision is made as they dont want to end up being disciplined themselves. Also I guess those parties who were, allegedly 'wronged' by Pardew may well have been peed off by public support for him which has made them more keen to put the other side of the story out there.

[saint_mears]

Ok - but that still begs the question of why he "wanted rid" of Pardew. If it was footballing reasons then surely he would have gone over the summer.

 

Maybe NC was hoping Pardew would quit and save the near on £800,000 pay out to sack him.

[buctootim]

I doubt it. If someone had been assualted the accused would have been relived of duty with immediate effect until an investagation had taken place. If this incident was as bad as made out surely AP and the others would have been put on immediate gardening leave. If the effect on the team was so awful why let him continue managing for 3 more matches? doesn't make any sense.

 

Who knows, its all supposition. One example - Its quite possible that what was initially thought by Cortese to be an minor falling out at the training ground with a little bit of shoving, turned out after investigation to be a much wider net of dissatisfaction and unprofessional behaviour. The more he dug he realised it couldnt be sorted out by banging heads together.

[shurlock]

I doubt it. If someone had been assualted the accused would have been relived of duty with immediate effect until an investagation had taken place. If this incident was as bad as made out surely AP and the others would have been put on immediate gardening leave. If the effect on the team was so awful why let him continue managing for 3 more matches? doesn't make any sense.

 

And in theory NC might have used that extended time -even if had just launched an investigation, to sound out potential management replacements rather than being caught on the backfoot as seems the case.

[Tractor_Saint]

All wrong. NC caught AP taking photos at the last home game without a licence and had no option. Mystery solved.

[NickG]

in summary...we haven't got a f'ing clue!

[sadoldgit]

Who knows, its all supposition. One example - Its quite possible that what was initially thought by Cortese to be an minor falling out at the training ground with a little bit of shoving, turned out after investigation to be a much wider net of dissatisfaction and unprofessional behaviour. The more he dug he realised it couldnt be sorted out by banging heads together.

 

There is probably a great deal of dissatisfaction evrywhere in football with players not getting a game. Davis said as much in the Echo. You would be surprised if things didn't get a bit tasty from time to time. This read like the Gunfight at the OK Corall though.

[sadoldgit]

in summary...we haven't got a f'ing clue!

 

Yep