Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[OldNick]

I know, I should have written "if true". I will correct it.

 

However, this story (or something similar) seems to keep cropping up.

Oh I see, that would be best

[lordswoodsaints]

What a strange result Saturday's was v Bristol Rovers. Saints played better then than at any time this season

 

I wonder Why ??

 

I was no great fan of Pardew, and had already got Pi**ed off with all the "Hoofball" being played during matches

 

IMH, Pardew has gone simply because, with the very very good Squad he had, he UNDERACHIEVED miserably

 

There may be other "off field" reasons, but, to me, the FOOTBALL reasons are the only ones are the best

 

Pardew had lost the plot, as he has done at every other Club he has been at. Records can prove that without a doubt

 

The only thing that is strange is Cortese (apparently ) getting rid of Pardew without having a Top Quality replacement lined up

 

That is very very Unprofessional of him, and may very well have cost us our season

 

I'd agree with this,I wasn't a fan of pardew at the start and was a bit disappointed when he got the job,I did predict he would be gone before the end of the season and i did have a bit of an argument on here with somebody (cant remember who?) about it,i was proved wrong but only by a few weeks.

However I sort of warmed to pardew although some of his decisions did baffle and frustrate me.

 

I just hope that he was released for footballing reasons and cortese did it to better our odds of getting promoted.

I don't believe the decision was made lightly and I also hope he has somebody already lined up.

[70's Mike]

Just fed up about whole thing

thought we had put the hire and fire days behind us

[Smirking_Saint]

In fairness, he had just presided over a 4-0 win and we havent been given an explanation.

 

The one problem I have with this story is that if AP was so unpopular with the team, why did they behave like such sulky w**kers last night ?

 

They acted like Sulky w*nkers because you listened to a poor performance on the radio ?? Good one

 

They actually looked like they put a lot of commitment in, Jaidi looked commited, he also looked Sh*te

 

Hammond did his usual run around a lot but played some poor balls.

 

The only player that looked uncommitted for me was Lambert and he has been out of sorts all season.

[Deppo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73718436

 

In response to being asked earlier if I could contact my source to find out why Downes and Murdoch were sacked too, I have contacted my source, the result of which is below:

 

I have just spoken to my source having come out of a meeting this afternoon with Dean Wilkins and Senior Staff.

 

Here is an extract of what I received:

 

 

" Nicola is saying he will not rush appointment , there was a fight incident at the training ground between Pardew and Player A and a couple of other players and coaches - Cortese turned up and the result was Pardew being sacked. Cortese told him to take his "drinking mates" with him and leave Southampton. He was warned about this at the end of last season. His drinking buddies and him had been getting out of hand for some time. It all came to a head with the whole issue with Player A's wife."

 

So we are not rushing a new manager in.

Paul Hart rumour IS NOT true.

 

NO ONE HAS BEEN APPROACHED YET, we are in the process of receiving CV's, then manager's will be chosen for interviews.

(For those of you asking 20 questions about this)

 

Players are glad to see the back of Alan.

 

Get Behind Wilkins and Let Cortese Find The New Manager.

 

DoingTheLambertWalk

 

Yep, this is pretty much what I have heard, from my own very reliable source.

[grammy]

Are things really that bad? Ok Last night was a shocker but not unexpected. but win our game in hand and we're in a play off spot. A far better position than last season. We have agueably the best starting line up in the league. We have wealthy backers that seem determined to carry out Marcus's dream, and that family have entrusted NC (a very well trusted friend of the family and to run the business. His task is to make Southampton FC stronger in every department to enable us to compete at the very highest level. To this point we have no knowledge as to the reasons for AP's dismissal so until we do (if we do) everything is pure fantasy/speculation. Im not pro or anti Cortese or anyone else but Im pro SFC which is all that matters. We need to realise that alot of the decisions NC has made or will make will not be popular with us supporters. Why? because he is responsible for maximising every available stream of income from the club, that is part of his job. The reason we don't like it is because it's always the fans that have to pay more. That's just the way footy is now.

Im fairly confident that we will get a good manager (who as NC has stated would be suitable for the task of getting us where we belong which is surely what we are all after. Until we know the facts I feel this rollercoaster of anti Cortese feeling is a dangerous game could be the one thing that derails the dream for all of us.

[Whitey Grandad]

Sorry, can't say any more. And I couldn't give a rat's a*se if you don't take it seriously.

 

Of course you care, else why would you post anything?

[maysie]

Are things really that bad? Ok Last night was a shocker but not unexpected. but win our game in hand and we're in a play off spot. A far better position than last season. We have agueably the best starting line up in the league. We have wealthy backers that seem determined to carry out Marcus's dream, and that family have entrusted NC (a very well trusted friend of the family and to run the business. His task is to make Southampton FC stronger in every department to enable us to compete at the very highest level. To this point we have no knowledge as to the reasons for AP's dismissal so until we do (if we do) everything is pure fantasy/speculation. Im not pro or anti Cortese or anyone else but Im pro SFC which is all that matters. We need to realise that alot of the decisions NC has made or will make will not be popular with us supporters. Why? because he is responsible for maximising every available stream of income from the club, that is part of his job. The reason we don't like it is because it's always the fans that have to pay more. That's just the way footy is now.

Im fairly confident that we will get a good manager (who as NC has stated would be suitable for the task of getting us where we belong which is surely what we are all after. Until we know the facts I feel this rollercoaster of anti Cortese feeling is a dangerous game could be the one thing that derails the dream for all of us.

 

Why do you open a bracket but not close it?

 

Trivial I know but everything annoys me these days.

[Whitey Grandad]

F**k me. Seems to me a few people owe NC an apology if this is true

 

My criticism is more that there does not seem to be a plan in place to cover this eventuality, something which NC must have known about for some considerable time. He has become event-driven which is never a good idea. Time will tell, but at the moment he seems to be behind the game.

[grammy]

Why do you open a bracket but not close it?

 

Trivial I know but everything annoys me these days.

 

Spilt Vodka/Red bull over the laptop sat night and have sticky knobs (so to speak)

Agree with you tho, it is annoying.

[Whitey Grandad]

Why do you open a bracket but not close it?

Maybe it will be closed in a later post? (I get annoyed too, especially when people put isolated comments inside brackets).

[Whitey Grandad]

Spilt Vodka/Red bull over the laptop sat night and have sticky knobs (so to speak)

Agree with you tho, it is annoying.

 

You can get cream for that.

[Deppo]

My criticism is more that there does not seem to be a plan in place to cover this eventuality, something which NC must have known about for some considerable time. He has become event-driven which is never a good idea. Time will tell, but at the moment he seems to be behind the game.

 

Definitely. We should have had managers lined up in waiting ready for when we sack any manager. They probably wouldn't mind hanging about just in case.

[grammy]

You can get cream for that.

 

Vodka/Redbull and cream? Sounds kinda wierd to me

[Deppo]

Of course you care, else why would you post anything?

 

Some people may be interested, some may dismiss it. I don't really mind. The fact is that I can't divulge a source so I don't expect people to necessarily believe it. But if someone has a similar source and divulges their info, the truth may eventually be corroborated.

[stmusicdude]

Of course you care, else why would you post anything?

 

Sorry to disappoint, but why must he care because he posts something? because thats standards others are driven by?

MANY post & don't care if what they say is accepted, believed or dissed.

[Amesbury Saint]

who owns Saints now? which family member?

could this be the first decision of the new owner?

[Saint_Mabes]

OOOOOH I feel like a gossipy woman listening to all these rumours and txting people! It is exciting. I have contacted my source (which I try to avoid doing as I know it must be annoying and can get them in trouble). I'm hoping it goes along with the other couple of posts regarding training ground bust up. We shall see...

[S-Clarke]

Martin Samuels view -

 

''The official club statement announcing the dismissal of manager Alan Pardew was an exercise in gibberish, but Nicola Cortese, executive chairman of Southampton, does not have the greatest way with words.

 

One of his favourite forms of communication is the text message, like the one he sent to Pardew after Saturday's 4-0 win over Bristol Rovers, asking why his latest signing, Guilherme do Prado, had only played for five minutes.

 

This is the style of the new experts. Do Prado had joined on loan from Italian club Cesena the day before and had taken no part in Southampton's training sessions, hence his gentle introduction.

 

Yet, to the man with the power, it did not matter that Southampton won the match handsomely without his new player, or that introducing him at the end of the game would have been the sensible choice of the majority of bosses.

 

Less than 24 hours after this perceived faux pas, Pardew had gone, with club representatives briefing that there were issues with staff morale.

 

If Pardew was not a good motivator, his team would not have overcome a 10-point deduction last season to fall just short of the League One play-offs. His record for this season reads Played 4 Won 1 Drawn 1 Lost 2, and one of those defeats was against a Premier League team, Bolton Wanderers.

 

In the three matches Southampton did not win, they had 63 shots at goal compared to 11 for the opposition. Someone was going to get a hiding sooner or later and it turned out to be Bristol Rovers.

 

The club should pick up from here under the new manager, just as it would under Pardew. David Bick, Southampton's PR representative, wants me to be charmed by Cortese, but I've met a hundred Corteses.

 

The beauty of the new breed of boardroom geniuses - Cortese gave an interview this year in which he spoke, quite seriously, of playing Southampton's fixtures each Saturday morning on his match predictor computer programme - is that they never disappoint.

 

Last May, when it was presumed that Pardew would be sacked during the close season, Cortese made a big song and dance of the announcement that he was staying. He used the moment to deliver another bizarre sermon - he talked of developing a way of playing that would be known as the 'Southampton Style', again quite seriously - and rounded on his doubters.

 

'The speculation could be interpreted as a deliberate attempt to unsettle the club and Alan,' he sniffed. 'Without exception it has been ill-informed.'

 

Yes, by all of four matches. 'In the summer, the clever money says that Pardew will go,' I wrote on May 10. And as Cortese did for him before the end of August, I reckon that counts.

 

Still, at least we have the measure of the 'Southampton Style'. It means no style at all.''

[ribbo]

Martin Samuels view -

 

ah i was waiting for the south coast teams most vitriolic critic.

[saint_mears]

Martin Samuels view -

 

Leaked information from alan pardew then or indeed is agent no doubt.

[Plumstead_Saint]

ah i was waiting for the south coast teams most vitriolic critic.

yeah but his quotes from Cortese are genuine, and struck many people as embarrassing at the time.

Shades of Lowe and ideas above his station all over again.

If you want to be a football svengali and overrule experienced professional managers about, have the decency to put in the hours and learn the craft first.

[Saint_Mabes]

OOOOOH I feel like a gossipy woman listening to all these rumours and txting people! It is exciting. I have contacted my source (which I try to avoid doing as I know it must be annoying and can get them in trouble). I'm hoping it goes along with the other couple of posts regarding training ground bust up. We shall see...

 

Damn. They said they really have no idea and after speaking to a few of the players was not aware of a rift. Has said before though that Cortese is a 'horrendous individual' and would not be suprised if it was an accumulation of events.

[alpine_saint]

Leaked information from alan pardew then or indeed is agent no doubt.

 

Which in my book puts AP in violation of any mutual NDA agreed.

 

For which I hope NC goes to town on him. Though he probably wont. NC has more style and discretion than AP.

[RonManager]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73738867

[ribbo]

yeah but his quotes from Cortese are genuine, and struck many people as embarrassing at the time.

Shades of Lowe and ideas above his station all over again.

If you want to be a football svengali and overrule experienced professional managers about, have the decency to put in the hours and learn the craft first.

 

genuine yes, out of context? maybe, for example you do not know if it was agreed before hand that prado would get a longer runout and we dont really know whats happened yet, only that there was some kind of staplewood shenanigans.

 

so not going all pro cortese here (more pro club tbh) but his history is not only in banking but the following (stole from wiki sorry) :

 

ten years in sports business practice as head of the sports and entertainment desk at various Swiss banks, providing global services to sports and entertainment professionals.

executive at Banque Heritage in Geneva where he managed the finances of billionaires.

ran the sports business desk for Credit Suisse.

 

they're not bad svengali like credentials for a person who has spent a long old time in and around the workings of some of the worlds biggest clubs, certanly better than someone who made a living sticking up retirement homes.

[LostBoys]

The details of the bust up has some credibility as it explains why there is no replacement immediately available.

 

All in all I remain very disappointed with the whole sorry saga

[ribbo]

[removed by admin - libel]

 

there you go.

[NickG]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73738867

 

No idea if this is true.

 

It is only explanation I have heard that fits in with timing, who went etc.

 

Also flies in face on some who came on here crowing with their "told you so's" about what they heard last season and how its all Cortesse.

 

Who knows.

[sadoldgit]

Which in my book puts AP in violation of any mutual NDA agreed.

 

For which I hope NC goes to town on him. Though he probably wont. NC has more style and discretion than AP.

 

How on earth can you make that type of statement when you do not know the two individuals involved? You have no more idea over what has happened than I hav eyet you make a crass statement like that. Jeez Alpine, you take the biscuit.

[Weston Saint]

Which in my book puts AP in violation of any mutual NDA agreed.

 

For which I hope NC goes to town on him. Though he probably wont. NC has more style and discretion than AP.

It was not a mutual departure but a dismissal. Doubt and NDA involved.

[sadoldgit]

there you go.

 

Which doesn't explain in the least why Cortese didn't seem to support Pardew at all.

[John B]

Which in my book puts AP in violation of any mutual NDA agreed.

 

For which I hope NC goes to town on him. Though he probably wont. NC has more style and discretion than AP.

 

Or perhaps retaliating because of the spin coming out of St Mary's

[NickG]

how not support him?

[sadoldgit]

No idea if this is true.

 

It is only explanation I have heard that fits in with timing, who went etc.

 

Also flies in face on some who came on here crowing with their "told you so's" about what they heard last season and how its all Cortesse.

 

Who knows.

 

Who knows indeed, but you would imagine that if Pardew was so hated by some of the players why they didn't perform better last night?

[lordswoodsaints]

Oh For F\/cks sake. Stop your conjecture will ya? This player, Gully, has just arrived at our club. Don't get him involved in this. Leave all players out of this, they are probably more shocked than we are right now so you want them to perform, don't go writing such unfounded crap.

 

Did you not read the IMO part....you are right I don't know the facts,nobody on here does but IMO (take note) he was not pinpointed by pardew as a potential signing.

I am not getting on any players back.....as if any of them bother to read the stuff written on a crappy little fansite!

according to some on here some of the players are involved so why should they be exempt from getting a bit of stick?.....I'm sure they will be comforted by driving home in their expensive cars to their expensive mansions to roll about in piles of money on their expensive beds.

The whole club is surrounded in 'unfounded crap' so why should we be any different.

[sadoldgit]

Or perhaps retaliating because of the spin coming out of St Mary's

 

Indeed. I don't know either of these people yet I have not seen Pardew behave in a way that has been anything but professional. Cortese on the other hand has already made lots of enemies in the media and at the club and I do wonder about the possible spin now coming out. Goodness knows what the truth is but whilst people are saying if it is true then Pardew is a right ****, what I would say is if it is not true what does that make Cortese?

[benjii]

It was not a mutual departure but a dismissal. Doubt and NDA involved.

 

There most certainly will be. You don't sack someone on hundreds of thousand a year without a compromise agreement and you don't have a compromise agreement without a confidentiality provision.

[benjii]

Indeed. I don't know either of these people yet I have not seen Pardew behave in a way that has been anything but professional. Cortese on the other hand has already made lots of enemies in the media and at the club and I do wonder about the possible spin now coming out. Goodness knows what the truth is but whilst people are saying if it is true then Pardew is a right ****, what I would say is if it is not true what does that make Cortese?

 

If it's not true it doesn't mean Cortese is repsonsible for it or that there isn't another explanation.

 

That's pretty simple thinking TBF.

[saint77]

there you go.

 

same as west ham then

[doddisalegend]

there you go.

 

There you go what? Unless the club come out and verify this it's just one more rumour. If this was the case the club should have just come out with a statement saying AP has been sacked for gross misconduct following a trainning ground incident. Instead we end up with a situation where rumours are flying around all over the place the press are having a field day at the clubs expense and the fans are ****ed off cuase they think the sacking is unjustified.

 

Also it didn't effect the players at Bristol Rovers, Orient or Bolton games even though this alleged incident took place before the Orient game yet it effected them big time last night it would seem.

[sadoldgit]

If it's not true it doesn't mean Cortese is repsonsible for it or that there isn't another explanation.

 

That's pretty simple thinking TBF.

 

Yep, there could be another explanation, but there are two main players in this situation and various stories flying around, some of which might be true. Cortese made the call. He has been cool towards Pardew for quite some time. I don't but this stuff about Markus wanting him out and Cortese fighting his corner. Cortese doesn't want to come out of this looking like the bad guy so who has most to gain from getting a little spin out there? For someone who doesn't like to talk to the media where do these sources close to Nicola suddenly spring from? If there was truth in the punch up rumour why didn't a well known journo like Samuals pick up on it?

 

Curiouser and couriouser

 

There are lots of things that just don't add up here.

[shurlock]

Probably just ******, guilty by past association, unfounded rumour. Pards likes banging players missus, he did it at wham, so the story goes, so he must be a serial players missus banger. Fonte wife's is a well-known WAG, Pards, the silver fox, loves the ladies, so now its an irrefutable, self-willed fact that Pards banged Fonte's WAG wife and the rest is history. FFS. Logic at its f**king finest.

[sadoldgit]

There you go what? Unless the club come out and verify this it's just one more rumour. If this was the case the club should have just come out with a statement saying AP has been sacked for gross misconduct following a trainning ground incident. Instead we end up with a situation where rumours are flying around all over the place the press are having a field day at the clubs expense and the fans are ****ed off cuase they think the sacking is unjustified.

 

Also it didn't effect the players at Bristol Rovers, Orient or Bolton games even though this alleged incident took place before the Orient game yet it effected them big time last night it would seem.

 

Yep...all seems very odd.

[sadoldgit]

So we had Burley as an alchy and Pardew as a major sh*gger -all rumour and conjecture but it gets repeated a few times then it becomes fact.

[NickG]

don't think its reached fact stage!

 

Its a scenario that just about fits, why do you think?

[sadoldgit]

how not support him?

 

Come on Nick, I know you are working hard at cutting Cortese some slack but even you must have picked up on the lack of support last season? Why was there all that fuss last season about Pardew being up for the sack? Even when he was forced to come out and give a statement is was less then convincing.

[Deppo]

The story above is exactly what I have been told from my very own source. I know the player involved too, but it would be unfair to name him. Anyway, the players were united against Pardew. Cortese has done exactly the right thing, I'm afraid to say.

[NickG]

Have never seen him undermined, was given the vote of confidence and has been allowed to assemble a good squad.

 

I am always reticent in listenning to certain posters ITK gossip.

[sadoldgit]

don't think its reached fact stage!

 

Its a scenario that just about fits, why do you think?

 

I really don't know what to think Nick. I don't believe that Cortese wanted Pardew to stay or fought his corner against Markus..as for the rest, God knows.