Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[itchen]

Precisely. So nobody can make a judgement as to whether the sacking was right or wrong, rendering the poll flawed. The correct answer to the poll as it stands unless anybody is privy to inside information is "Don't know". Presumably nearly a half of us know the ins and outs of it and perhaps they should share this information with us all.

 

Well, yes, you're right. But I think most people are basing their vote on the "facts" as they are known, for example, the team's results and performances. I voted "no" based on last season and because I had belief that Pardew would do even better this season. If it is subsequently revealed that Pardew was taking bungs or molesting the tea lady I would modify my judgement in the light of these new "facts". If the club (and Pardew) have chosen not to reveal a reason then what else are we to do?

[Whitey Grandad]

I would have preferred a question as to whether now was the right time.

[rshephard3]

either was now the right time or was it right to sack him on footballing grounds..most ppl will interpret the poll as on a football basis hence the number of people voting NO having started with 1 defeat (V's a championship relegated side) 1 draw and 1 win (4-0 away)

[Genk]

Rumour that he was sacked due to having had an interview for the Villa job. Could be complete rubbish!

[Junior Mullet]

I am most concerned about the effect this decision will have on the players. it is well known that a number of them turned down offers from higher levels this Summer in the hope that they can achieve with Saints. If we are not gunning for promotion come January you can rest assured that a number of players will desert the crazy ship I feel we could become.

 

I have said before that taken together Cortese's decisions showing worrying signs. For me this one absolutely confirms that. I am left wondering whether (a) he thinks he knows best about footballing decisions or (b) whether in fact he knows bugger all. I imagine Cortese had a bnig part to play in Papa and Guly joining us and the rumour about AP and NC rowing over a potential new signing before Saturday's game is a little disturbing.

 

History is littered with examples of Chairman who think they know better than the manager yet there arent many examples where such a situation has a happy ending.

 

I am concerned.

 

I'm no football genius but the result tonight does not surprise me. Take your seats and watch further fallout unfold. Saints aint a happy place at the moment.

[Dr Who?]

Not a good move, promotion this season will be harder now, and I believe that he had good relationships with his players. Will they want out now, I think they will if we are not pushing for promotion in January 2011! The dream I believe could have been shattered, with all this togetherness that has now gone out the bloody window.

[Junior Mullet]

Rumour that he was sacked due to having had an interview for the Villa job. Could be complete rubbish!

 

Why not call him in on it, wait to see what happens and potentially pick up a large sum of compensation from Villa if they make an offer to him?

[Dr Who?]

Rumour that he was sacked due to having had an interview for the Villa job. Could be complete rubbish!

 

I would think that Villa would aim higher!

[saint lard]

Rumour that he was sacked due to having had an interview for the Villa job. Could be complete rubbish!

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24799-Pardew-to-Villa

 

Something i alluded too yesterday.

[Deppo]

Pardew left for off-field reasons. Players are in agreement. It was him or a major first-team player.

[Julian H. Cope]

Pardew left for off-field reasons. Players are in agreement. It was him or a major first-team player.

 

Thanks for this info. The majority think it's because NC is a complete megalomaniac. I can sleep well now.

[St_Tel49]

Pardew left for off-field reasons. Players are in agreement. It was him or a major first-team player.

 

That is a confident assertion. Source?

[Bailey]

Pardew left for off-field reasons. Players are in agreement. It was him or a major first-team player.

 

Able to shed any more on this? It's a pretty big accusation. There are so many rumours flying around at the minute, but in reality we'll never know the full reasons behind the decision.

[Wade Garrett]

Pardew left for off-field reasons. Players are in agreement. It was him or a major first-team player.

 

We're still in the dark though. If he had been poking one of the wives then fair enough, but if he had just confiscated Rickie Lambert's jammy dodgers then it's a bit over the top.

 

Tell us more Deppo.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

That is a confident assertion. Source?

 

It will be a complete guess,no one can take this Deppo seriously look at his posts...

[Deppo]

Sorry, can't say any more. And I couldn't give a rat's a*se if you don't take it seriously.

[St_Tel49]

It will be a complete guess,no one can take this Deppo seriously look at his posts...

Oh - I agree. He is a WUM. That was why I prodded him. I didn't believe for a second that he had a source.

[Julian H. Cope]

Oh - I agree. He is a WUM. That was why I prodded him. I didn't believe for a second that he had a source.

 

Well done Sherlock.

[Deppo]

I wouldn't believe me either.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Oh - I agree. He is a WUM. That was why I prodded him. I didn't believe for a second that he had a source.

 

Every forum has to have its "Attention seeker" iguess this Deppo guy/girl is ours

[Deppo]

What can I say, I was abused as a child.

 

(PS, come back and check me when the truth comes out. About Pardew's sacking, not my childhood suffering.)

[Burger]

Every forum has to have its "Attention seeker" iguess this Deppo guy/girl is ours

 

Not the case for Deppo...he adds a needed bit of humour to this forum......keep it up Deppo

[hypochondriac]

Not the case for Deppo...he adds a needed bit of humour to this forum......keep it up Deppo

 

Almost every post is off topic. Humorous posts are fine, but not when you are never serious with any post.

[Deppo]

Almost every post is off topic. Humorous posts are fine, but not when you are never serious with any post.

 

I am always on topic.

[Lets B Avenue]

I am always on topic.

 

Nutshell.

[Robsk II]

Has AP said anything yet?

[Robsk II]

Incidentally, I had a chat with some random last night at the train station because I was on my way back from somewhere last night and missed the game. I asked for the score, and we got talking (after the initial expletives). I can't say itis a 'good source', BUT - he suggested that AP had 'lost the dressing room', including some of the coaching staff, and that there was a 'personal problem' with him and a player, which seems to corroborate what Deppo has said.

[SO16_Saint]

Incidentally, I had a chat with some random last night at the train station because I was on my way back from somewhere last night and missed the game. I asked for the score, and we got talking (after the initial expletives). I can't say itis a 'good source', BUT - he suggested that AP had 'lost the dressing room', including some of the coaching staff, and that there was a 'personal problem' with him and a player, which seems to corroborate what Deppo has said.

 

 

haha - could you be any more vague??

 

I met someone at a train station on my way back from somewhere

[Robsk II]

Moron. I did clearly say it wasn't from a good source. Yet if one person saying something random and poorly sourced is a bit of a joke, two disparate people saying the same thing is called 'good circumstantial evidence'.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Personally I've voted 'don't know' as until we know who the new manager is we can't really tell if they're an improvement. Timing was pretty awful though.

[SO16_Saint]

Moron. I did clearly say it wasn't from a good source. Yet if one person saying something random and poorly sourced is a bit of a joke, two disparate people saying the same thing is called 'good circumstantial evidence'.

 

i thought it was funny, not questioning it!

 

it just sounded very cloak and dagger, thats all!

[Robsk II]

Well, I agree. I just thought it was interesting to hear a very similar thing from some random, even if it WAS random, because I would normally take Deppo's comments with a large pinch of salt. This sort of makes me think otherwise. And given that it's a seperate source, I thought it would be pertinent for this thread. The more things add up the same, the more they are likely to be true, after all.

[SaintRichmond]

What a strange result Saturday's was v Bristol Rovers. Saints played better then than at any time this season

 

I wonder Why ??

 

I was no great fan of Pardew, and had already got Pi**ed off with all the "Hoofball" being played during matches

 

IMH, Pardew has gone simply because, with the very very good Squad he had, he UNDERACHIEVED miserably

 

There may be other "off field" reasons, but, to me, the FOOTBALL reasons are the only ones are the best

 

Pardew had lost the plot, as he has done at every other Club he has been at. Records can prove that without a doubt

 

The only thing that is strange is Cortese (apparently ) getting rid of Pardew without having a Top Quality replacement lined up

 

That is very very Unprofessional of him, and may very well have cost us our season

[OldNick]

Well one of AP's last legacy's could be playing Lallana when he still was not 100% ready. It seems he is going to be out for some weeks.I do hope that RL does not fall to the same fate.

Many have voiced their concerns that we have nobody to fill his place if he is out as well.

[100%Red&White]

The only thing that is strange is Cortese (apparently ) getting rid of Pardew without having a Top Quality replacement lined up

 

That is very very Unprofessional of him, and may very well have cost us our season

 

Of course we don't really know whether he has a replacement lined up or not. If he hasn't it probably does suggest AP was sacked on a spur-of-the-moment type incident. If it was planned everything should be in place and it's just a matter of timing the announcement.

 

What doesn't really add up if it was 'spur-of-the-moment' is why the others were also instantly sacked because if they weren't exactly involved in any possible incident then they'll be in a great position at any tribunal.

[SaintRichmond]

Of course we don't really know whether he has a replacement lined up or not. If he hasn't it probably does suggest AP was sacked on a spur-of-the-moment type incident. If it was planned everything should be in place and it's just a matter of timing the announcement.

 

What doesn't really add up if it was 'spur-of-the-moment' is why the others were also instantly sacked because if they weren't exactly involved in any possible incident then they'll be in a great position at any tribunal.

 

 

Also, if it was £spur of the moment", then they would not have time to draw up a document "gagging" them

 

BUT, if it were planed a few weeks ago ............

[15saints]

What a strange result Saturday's was v Bristol Rovers. Saints played better then than at any time this season

 

I wonder Why ??

 

I was no great fan of Pardew, and had already got Pi**ed off with all the "Hoofball" being played during matches

 

IMH, Pardew has gone simply because, with the very very good Squad he had, he UNDERACHIEVED miserably

 

There may be other "off field" reasons, but, to me, the FOOTBALL reasons are the only ones are the best

 

Pardew had lost the plot, as he has done at every other Club he has been at. Records can prove that without a doubt

 

The only thing that is strange is Cortese (apparently ) getting rid of Pardew without having a Top Quality replacement lined up

 

That is very very Unprofessional of him, and may very well have cost us our season

 

Not quite sure what team you are watching as I don't think we have played 'hoofball' and as for Pardew underachieving he has a very enviable success rate of 53%. Are you sure you are talking about Saints?

 

I am sad to say that with supporters such as you we deserve all we get - so it is Hart for manager.

[15saints]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73718436

 

In response to being asked earlier if I could contact my source to find out why Downes and Murdoch were sacked too, I have contacted my source, the result of which is below:

 

I have just spoken to my source having come out of a meeting this afternoon with Dean Wilkins and Senior Staff.

 

Here is an extract of what I received:

 

 

" Nicola is saying he will not rush appointment , there was a fight incident at the training ground between Pardew and Player A and a couple of other players and coaches - Cortese turned up and the result was Pardew being sacked. Cortese told him to take his "drinking mates" with him and leave Southampton. He was warned about this at the end of last season. His drinking buddies and him had been getting out of hand for some time. It all came to a head with the whole issue with Player A's wife."

 

So we are not rushing a new manager in.

Paul Hart rumour IS NOT true.

 

NO ONE HAS BEEN APPROACHED YET, we are in the process of receiving CV's, then manager's will be chosen for interviews.

(For those of you asking 20 questions about this)

 

Players are glad to see the back of Alan.

 

Get Behind Wilkins and Let Cortese Find The New Manager.

 

DoingTheLambertWalk

[Robsk II]

See? Deppo and random train station man might have been right.

[alpine_saint]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73718436

 

In response to being asked earlier if I could contact my source to find out why Downes and Murdoch were sacked too, I have contacted my source, the result of which is below:

 

I have just spoken to my source having come out of a meeting this afternoon with Dean Wilkins and Senior Staff.

 

Here is an extract of what I received:

 

 

" Nicola is saying he will not rush appointment , there was a fight incident at the training ground between Pardew and Player A and a couple of other players and coaches - Cortese turned up and the result was Pardew being sacked. Cortese told him to take his "drinking mates" with him and leave Southampton. He was warned about this at the end of last season. His drinking buddies and him had been getting out of hand for some time. It all came to a head with the whole issue with Player A's wife."

 

So we are not rushing a new manager in.

Paul Hart rumour IS NOT true.

 

NO ONE HAS BEEN APPROACHED YET, we are in the process of receiving CV's, then manager's will be chosen for interviews.

(For those of you asking 20 questions about this)

 

Players are glad to see the back of Alan.

 

Get Behind Wilkins and Let Cortese Find The New Manager.

 

DoingTheLambertWalk

 

F**k me. Seems to me a few people owe NC an apology if this is true

Edited 1 September, 2010 by alpine_saint

[OldNick]

F**k me. Seems to me a few people owe NC an apology.

 

it is 606, not a statement from a solicitor. it may well be true but even these claims have yet to be clarified

[SnailOB]

F**k me. Seems to me a few people owe NC an apology.

 

IF its true

Sooooo many rumours - which ones are true (if any !)

This one seems to be couple of posters repeating each other

[NickG]

if it is as above, Cortesse deserves a lot of credit for the press release and not rising to public criticism - if true, sitting there hearing fans siding with Pardew whilst he knows the truth wouldn't be much fun

[alpine_saint]

it is 606, not a statement from a solicitor. it may well be true but even these claims have yet to be clarified

I know, I should have written "if true". I will correct it.

 

However, this story (or something similar) seems to keep cropping up.

[Julian H. Cope]

See? Deppo and random train station man might have been right.

 

He may be a card but Deppo is a man of integrity.

[SaintRichmond]

Not quite sure what team you are watching as I don't think we have played 'hoofball' and as for Pardew underachieving he has a very enviable success rate of 53%. Are you sure you are talking about Saints?

 

I am sad to say that with supporters such as you we deserve all we get - so it is Hart for manager.

 

Are you serious ??? I think you should have gone to Spec Savers. Second half, Saints revert to Hoofball

[alpine_saint]

if it is as above, Cortesse deserves a lot of credit for the press release and not rising to public criticism - if true, sitting there hearing fans siding with Pardew whilst he knows the truth wouldn't be much fun

 

In fairness, he had just presided over a 4-0 win and we havent been given an explanation.

 

The one problem I have with this story is that if AP was so unpopular with the team, why did they behave like such sulky w**kers last night ?

[NickG]

none of explanations seem to make total sense.

 

Not criticising fans for calling for Pardew, but if it is completely his fault I think Cortesse has done well not washing his dirty linen in public and taken stick himself.

 

The next appointment may give some pointers. Sure whoever it is will know the full story - so if we can attract a good manager and they are happy to work with Cortesse maybe he isn't that bad?

[Robsk II]

He may be a card but Deppo is a man of integrity.

 

I thought Deppo was a woman?

[Andy_Porter]

In fairness, he had just presided over a 4-0 win and we havent been given an explanation.

 

The one problem I have with this story is that if AP was so unpopular with the team, why did they behave like such sulky w**kers last night ?

 

I don't think they did. Lambert, Jaidi and Hammond have been off form all season and Gully was terrible in an unfamiliar position in a new country. That's four players not at their best and against a decent side like Swindon you're going to struggle.

 

We don't have a devine right to be winning these sort of games, especially when three key players are woefully out of form.