Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[buctootim]

Guly stinks of a Cortese signing tbh. .

 

Lol. Possibly most ridiculous post of the day.

[CanadaSaint]

Canada Saint; I think you've hit on something. But we did also have a poor/below par pre-season, and the first two home games were extremely disappointing. AP didn't appear to have a plan B. But very odd timing after a 4-0 win.

 

In fairness, it wasn't my suggestion - it's somewhere back in these 16 pages.

 

However, it's not implausible - especially if S-Clarke is right about the similarities with Papa Waigo.

 

And I'm with you on the rest of your comments.

[Clifford Nelson]

I think you are right Bert. This manager will be the one to take the five year plan, Markus's dream and the Southampton style forward. There will be no short term appointment. I personally am comfortable that this decision has finally been taken, whatever the final reasons that made it necessary. I have never liked the narrow way we play or the incessant balls from the goalkeeper belted long. Until we change this we won't regularly defeat teams that set out to stymie us in defence.

 

I agree Dave. I am also far from convinced that the new manager will be british and maybe this will be the time that the sporting director post will be filled. What leads me to think that is that somebody who has repeatedly been linked with the club since before Pardews appointment left his club a fortnight ago saying that it was his last managerial job. He had only been in post for some four months. And I also think that somebody will have adviced NC in what to do next.

 

If I'm right then the decision to sack the management team has been fomenting for some little time, which doesn't surprise me, and no doubt the structure as well as the personnel around the first team will start falling into place quite soon. If not, and the sacking was an impetuous act, I have totally misjudged NC.

[S-Clarke]

Lol. Possibly most ridiculous post of the day.

 

It really isn't.

[Andy Durman]

As a Saints fan I despair. As a person I despair. What has football become. I stand by you Mr Pardew. What kind of team do I support. This is an act that has disgusted and infuriated me. Will we ever see stability.

 

Thank you Mr Pardew for a wonderful day at Wembley I will always remember you for one of the best footballing experiences.

 

Make no mistake this is another sad day for Southampton Football Club.

 

My team??????

[CanadaSaint]

I agree Dave. I am also far from convinced that the new manager will be british and maybe this will be the time that the sporting director post will be filled. What leads me to think that is that somebody who has repeatedly been linked with the club since before Pardews appointment left his club a fortnight ago saying that it was his last managerial job. He had only been in post for some four months. And I also think that somebody will have adviced NC in what to do next.

 

If I'm right then the decision to sack the management team has been fomenting for some little time, which doesn't surprise me, and no doubt the structure as well as the personnel around the first team will start falling into place quite soon. If not, and the sacking was an impetuous act, I have totally misjudged NC.

 

I suspect that you and Dave are correct on several counts.

 

The alleged problems with the Stapelwood staff are such a big deal because it's easier - and far cheaper - to teach a "Southampton style" as part of a longer term project (a la Arsenal) than it would be to buy it. And Cortese seems very committed to developing a Southampton style but in a cost-effective and sustainable way. However, that needs commitment throughout the organization, and I think AP was more an "old style" manager - as most experienced British managers are.

 

So, I'd be surprised if if our next manager is British - unless it's one of the "new breed".

 

I'd also be surprised if Coppell isn't in this picture somewhere because Cortese obviously has a high regard for him. Whether that translates into a formal role such as DoF remains to be seen.

 

I think we're about to find out just how shrewd Cortese is. (Or isn't! )

[modern matron]

I agree Dave. I am also far from convinced that the new manager will be british and maybe this will be the time that the sporting director post will be filled. What leads me to think that is that somebody who has repeatedly been linked with the club since before Pardews appointment left his club a fortnight ago saying that it was his last managerial job. He had only been in post for some four months. And I also think that somebody will have adviced NC in what to do next.

 

If I'm right then the decision to sack the management team has been fomenting for some little time, which doesn't surprise me, and no doubt the structure as well as the personnel around the first team will start falling into place quite soon. If not, and the sacking was an impetuous act, I have totally misjudged NC.

 

I think the decision to remove AP was brave but he was certainly not irreplaceable. I would say we are a combination of both Manchester clubs at div 1 level and as such the expectation and ambition had to be high. I am not sure that AP was living up to that.

 

However, I will only be happy if the replacement fits with the overall strategy, and is a long term appointment.

 

In many ways this could be an exciting time. I guess we have to trust NC to get it right this time. We musn't forget that we are still in an exceptionally strong and healthy position as a club so the future is bright....

[Weston Saint]

Forget about DoF. Les Reed does most of this already. Would expect him to be tasked with finding a new Manager.

[Faz]

Forget about DoF. Les Reed does most of this already. Would expect him to be tasked with finding a new Manager.

 

But it's not inconceivable that SC could be part of the selection panel,if rumours that he is/was in town are correct?

[CanadaSaint]

Forget about DoF. Les Reed does most of this already. Would expect him to be tasked with finding a new Manager.

 

Ron, normally you hire your own reports, which suggests that the new manager would report to Reed. I'd be surprised if that's how Cortese sees this, but what do you think?

[Whitey Grandad]

If I remember correctly, Coppell took a paycut when Reading were relegated from £1.5m to around £750,000 so I don't suppose he would be cheap.

[Weston Saint]

Ron, normally you hire your own reports, which suggests that the new manager would report to Reed. I'd be surprised if that's how Cortese sees this, but what do you think?

I think the new Manager will still report direct to Cortese but Reed charged to find a replacement for Pardew. In fact I suspect this has already been going on.

[StDunko]

Please Cortese, don't turn us into the QPR of league 1!

[Chez]

Guly stinks of a Cortese signing tbh. Same country papa came from, same agent as papa etc...

 

i thought Pardew would have given this the ok and actually knew a bit about him, but maybe not.

 

Papa didn't appear to be a Pardew signing and as a result he didn't seem to ever trust him. To then have Guly possibly thrust upon him in the same way is bound to cause friction.

[mel1961red]

As a Saints fan and just about getting over the last 18 months I thought how fantastic it was to have the club in safe hands, a day at Wembley some silverware in the club and a whole new season to look forward to then this happens , why Oh why cant we have any long periods of time where we can have any sort of stability the passing of Liebherr was so sad for the club but I thought that he would have does knowing that the club was on the up and the promotion was not that far off with a good manager and a great team to build on then a 4 nil win on Saturday which was the start of good things to come, then I wake up this morning to hear that our managers been sacked for reasons which I just do not understand His record proves that it wasnt because of his results I have been a season ticket holder for 10 years in the Northern and was so happy that our club was saved now I am beginning to think that we are going the same way as we did under Lowe please give this club back some stability !!!!

[hackedoff]

If Cortese thinks this will hasten promotion then he,s in for some disappointment. I really thought that these acts were from SFC,s past.

[offix]

Wow, this comes as quite a shock. But , as I have posted on here before, I was very apprehensive at the start of this season. I felt like AP was at the max of his performance, and that promotion would be very hard as long as he keeps turning out a team that can go from 4-0 victories to losing the next game against very poor opposition. I have to trust that NC has someone lined up of some higher caliber.

I am honestly a little less apprehensive about the season now, but we'll have to see who comes in, and how soon.

[mcjwills]

Heres my outside shout, Capello to get sacked after losing on Friday and appointed manager on Saturday

[Wes Tender]

1) We have no manager and the club have stated they have no one waiting in the wings. Dean Wilkins is our manager. Ergo our promotion bid is jeopardy. Hardly hysterical

 

How is our promotion bid any more in jeopardy with Wilkins and then somebody else than it was with Pardew? Are you saying that Pardew was the only manager capable of delivering promotion? We have played three games, therefore suggesting that our promotion bid is in jeopardy this early on without knowledge of whom we are going to get to replace Pardew is hysterical.

 

2) Yes, none of us know why Pardew was sacked and that in itself lends to question the chairman. Is it based on results? Did Pardew ask to speak to Aston Villa? Who knows but without our leadership giving us some reason why we have to believe it is the outcome of the rumours from the tail end of last season. That the team wasn't playing the way Cortese wanted

 

Pure conjecture, having already admitted that you don't know.

 

3) In regards to "I regard those remarks as being hysterical and somebody who has followed football for as many years as you have ought to be able to recollect enough examples of similar situations which have produced positive results to make you a bit more ambivalent about it all."

I reply with Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray. It's not as if we haven;t been here before is it? Alan Pardew made this club successful and gave us a winning mentality. A 58% winning percentage and a n 18% losing ratio tells us that Alan Pardew helped get rid of our losing mentality and any manager that comes in will be hard pushed to better that win rate.

 

Are those two the best you can come up with? Those were Lowe's best efforts and I don't think that there are many similarities between Lowe and Cortese. There are numerous examples of managers who have come in to take over teams after the start of the season and who have had an impact in a very shot time. The win rate is not unbeatable by somebody else, although it's good. But we are the most expensively constructed team in the third division, so it ought to be eminently possible for another half decent manager to do as well or better.

 

4) Square One, how is this, right now, not square one? Yes we have better players which is down to Pardew. You can't just write off his impact on the club by saying that Cortese signing the cheques has progressed the club. The manager has. Now we have to start again/. Mangerless. Square One.

 

Who was writing off Pardew's efforts? I wasn't. Indeed, as I said, because of Pardew's efforts, we are not back at square one, as the players are not leaving and the new manager will be taking over a pretty decent squad.

 

5) Failure to gain promotion is not an excuse to fire the man. He had to build a squad and start with a -10 penalty. Psychologically that was a big hurdle to overcome . Come the second transfer window things started to click and we improved immeasurably but you cannot fire the man because he failed to turn things around completely in one year. This club was in ruins and now we're disappointed to lose a game.... That's in no small measure down the manager.

 

Cortese can do what he likes, can't he? He obviously has his own reasons, which we don't know yet.

 

There is obviously something else and we're not privy to it but to sack him on his time with Saints, results wise, makes no sense. I'm dealing in facts here, the club hasn't mentioned any other reasons and the club have stated there is no manager waiting in the wings. Without a valid reason for sacking him and with no successor lined up, those of us criticising Cortese are quite right to do so. Those defending Cortese on the promise that we may get someone better are the ones with their heads in the sand...

 

Those who will not make assumptions without facts are the sensible and intelligent ones. Those who jump to conclusions and castigate Cortese without knowing the background are stupid.

 

At this moment in time the club is chaos, I really can't see how you can view it as anything else...

 

The club is not in chaos. The club is still in the ownership of the Liebherr family and Cortese is still the chief executive. We are in a transitional period, that is all. Any judgement on the state of the club can only be made when we know who the new manager is to be.

[SaintSparky]

IMO, an utterly ridiculous decision with fundamentally abject timing. As far as I am concerned stability was needed after the mayhem of the last few years, after losing Markus earlier this month surely the club did not need this change today.

 

If Pardew is not good enough for the job now then what fundamentally has changed since the end of last season (considering we have only played three league games in that time), this has not been explained in the statement from the club and that itself is simply really not good enough from NC.

 

Regardless of the reaction of our fellow Saints fans, it is the reaction from the wider football supporting world that says it all to me. I have received quite a few text messages from various people whom support other clubs, each one of them has expressed disbelief at this decision. I have even been asked whether RL was back in charge of the club and have received commiserations on Saints apparent willingness to committing suicide again.

 

 

It appears to me that the club has taken a huge gamble, one which NC must take full responsibility for the outcome of. If his new appointment (whomever that turns out to be) is successful and we do get promoted this season then it will be fair play to him and I will be happy for him to continue to run our club. However if we do not go up this season then Markus's family must act to replace him in May/June. Any honeymoon period for NC has long gone with today's announcement.

[OldNick]

 

 

 

 

 

. However if we do not go up this season then Markus's family must act to replace him in May/June. Any honeymoon period for NC has long gone with today's announcement.

the family it seems to me have the utmost trust in NC and if NC leaves I believe the Liebherrs will as well. Be careful what you wish for.

We have no guarentee that the Liebherrs are as interested as Markus, I think we should be very careful how we react.

It was fairly obvious that AP and NC had issues, the passing of Markus could only mean 1 thing.

[dubai_phil]

Well, my gut feeling going way back is that WGS was first choice. The scuttlebutt I heard was that he did not want to work with Oldknow. No idea if it was anywhere near true, but.

 

IF Pardew was second choice then I suppose that explains some of the end of season pressure and what happened today.

 

Now the decision has been taken. I was shocked to get all the txts telling me, but in reality I don't think I am actually surprised. I was fully behind anyone associated wiith our renewed club and that included AP, but respect to those who did (constructively) criticize him, something somewhere wasn't right.

 

Let's see what happens next hopefully I'll be able to welcome the new manager aat SMS on Saturday. Just hope it isn't Maradona

[JustMike]

was on the way back from Belgium when heard the news, absolutely gutted that AP has gone, i guess we will never know exactly whats gone on but i just hope that the new guy is worth it

[Dalek2003]

the family it seems to me have the utmost trust in NC and if NC leaves I believe the Liebherrs will as well. Be careful what you wish for.

We have no guarentee that the Liebherrs are as interested as Markus, I think we should be very careful how we react.

It was fairly obvious that AP and NC had issues, the passing of Markus could only mean 1 thing.

 

You are absolutely right. I think that we are on the verge of an outstanding era led by an outstanding manager. Happy days are here again !

[OldNick]

You are absolutely right. I think that we are on the verge of an outstanding era led by an outstanding manager. Happy days are here again !

 

Happy dyas for you and very few others if that arrogant pr### ever returned.

[Dalek2003]

Happy dyas for you and very few others if that arrogant pr### ever returned.

 

 

Bit strong, don't you think ?

[OldNick]

Bit strong, don't you think ?

 

weaker than I wanted to put Dalek

[derry]

Coppell was the first choice and was on his way down to sign the contracts but had second thoughts and decided to go with his original plan and take time out of football.

[S-Clarke]

Coppell was the first choice and was on his way down to sign the contracts but had second thoughts and decided to go with his original plan and take time out of football.

 

He's an odd character, as shown with his recent decision at Bristol City, he's just not interested in football management anymore.

 

DoF maybe, but i cannot see him coming here as a manager.

[eelpie]

The Guardian seems to think that unrest between training staff was the catalyst for the sacking of Pardew and his close coaching team.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/30/southampton-sack-alan-pardew

 

One thing I did notice recently was that I have not noticed Wilkins on the touchline recently, apart from handing AP notes. Was there a rift between AP and Wilkins?

[SaintBobby]

Are others as worried as me about the suggestion that it might take several weeks to find a new manager and that Dean Wilkins is in charge "for the foreseeable future"?

 

I was rather hoping to be able to foresee us having a new managers within days...

[S-Clarke]

Are others as worried as me about the suggestion that it might take several weeks to find a new manager and that Dean Wilkins is in charge "for the foreseeable future"?

 

I was rather hoping to be able to foresee us having a new managers within days...

 

This is why i fear our season could be affected. We'll be treading water for a little while, Wilkins could be sacked as soon as they get the new guy. Not ideal preparation.

[John Smith]

I think a lot of you need to sleep on this. Some are having quite severe over reactions to something that goes on every day in our very own lives. Some have even questionned the validity of football itself because of this decision. Look, none of us know why this happened, we don;t even know if it is in anyway linked to the position at the end of last season if you read the bbc take on it (ie, ML wanted him out but NC wanted AP to stay). To say that this is a knee jerk reaction is probably over stated as well and that this is a return to the Lowe days.

 

Well, I call for calm. I was happy with AP in the job, but I wasn;t blown away by him. He did a decent job, but, we could do better. Is this the down to the team or the players? We have been debating this for some weeks now. Either way, Pardew leaving will not be the decider whether we are in for promotion or not this year, but, who is appointed will. In every day life managers are given the boot, IF this was down to many people resigning and discord in the back room staff, then I applaude the decision, if this is about Guly, and he was brought in over AP's head, then I would have to wonder why? Not that it should never happen, but what were the circumstances behind the deal, maybe there is good reason for this.

 

We all need to calm down and see what happens in the coming weeks. Like I said, I didn't mind AP, but, I am excited as to who may come in. Either way, good or bad, I will be at SMS this Saturday shouting for my team, because, as far as I know, they haven't sacked the fans yet!

 

WIFM

[dubai_phil]

I think a lot of you need to sleep on this. Some are having quite severe over reactions to something that goes on every day in our very own lives. Some have even questionned the validity of football itself because of this decision. Look, none of us know why this happened, we don;t even know if it is in anyway linked to the position at the end of last season if you read the bbc take on it (ie, ML wanted him out but NC wanted AP to stay). To say that this is a knee jerk reaction is probably over stated as well and that this is a return to the Lowe days.

 

Well, I call for calm. I was happy with AP in the job, but I wasn;t blown away by him. He did a decent job, but, we could do better. Is this the down to the team or the players? We have been debating this for some weeks now. Either way, Pardew leaving will not be the decider whether we are in for promotion or not this year, but, who is appointed will. In every day life managers are given the boot, IF this was down to many people resigning and discord in the back room staff, then I applaude the decision, if this is about Guly, and he was brought in over AP's head, then I would have to wonder why? Not that it should never happen, but what were the circumstances behind the deal, maybe there is good reason for this.

 

We all need to calm down and see what happens in the coming weeks. Like I said, I didn't mind AP, but, I am excited as to who may come in. Either way, good or bad, I will be at SMS this Saturday shouting for my team, because, as far as I know, they haven't sacked the fans yet!

 

WIFM

 

Agree with the thoughts JS

 

But the last bit. Think many on here or listening to "that bloke behind them" would like to see the moaners without cause get sacked.

[NickG]

I think a lot of you need to sleep on this. Some are having quite severe over reactions to something that goes on every day in our very own lives. Some have even questionned the validity of football itself because of this decision. Look, none of us know why this happened, we don;t even know if it is in anyway linked to the position at the end of last season if you read the bbc take on it (ie, ML wanted him out but NC wanted AP to stay). To say that this is a knee jerk reaction is probably over stated as well and that this is a return to the Lowe days.

 

Well, I call for calm. I was happy with AP in the job, but I wasn;t blown away by him. He did a decent job, but, we could do better. Is this the down to the team or the players? We have been debating this for some weeks now. Either way, Pardew leaving will not be the decider whether we are in for promotion or not this year, but, who is appointed will. In every day life managers are given the boot, IF this was down to many people resigning and discord in the back room staff, then I applaude the decision, if this is about Guly, and he was brought in over AP's head, then I would have to wonder why? Not that it should never happen, but what were the circumstances behind the deal, maybe there is good reason for this.

 

We all need to calm down and see what happens in the coming weeks. Like I said, I didn't mind AP, but, I am excited as to who may come in. Either way, good or bad, I will be at SMS this Saturday shouting for my team, because, as far as I know, they haven't sacked the fans yet!

 

WIFM

 

but not tomorrow?

[mack rill]

Hmmmmm wonder if Cortese likes Duck hunting,

[NickG]

still, could be worse - no manager is better than Steve Cotterill!

[Glasgow_Saint]

Please Cortese, don't turn us into the QPR of league 1!

 

QPR are top of the league.......

 

Do You not want to be top? Are You scared of being top? Be honest with me

[derry]

Ron, normally you hire your own reports, which suggests that the new manager would report to Reed. I'd be surprised if that's how Cortese sees this, but what do you think?

 

It appears Bill, that all the appointments in the development structure have come through Reed. It could wll be that Ron is on to something here and that Reed is coming up with compatible recommendations so that the foundation structure is topped off seamlessly with appointments that can work together.

Edited 30 August, 2010 by derry

[jam]

still, could be worse - no manager is better than Steve Cotterill!

 

Steve Cotterill quote of the day on Saturday when whining about getting beat: 'take away the goals and it would have been a draw'.

 

Genius.

[1976_Child]

IMO guly is the catalyst in all this.....I reckon he was forced upon pardew by cortese either to kick start his plan of getting rid of pardew or guly is part of the 'new' setup,possibly suggested as a signing by the incoming manager.

 

Oh For F\/cks sake. Stop your conjecture will ya? This player, Gully, has just arrived at our club. Don't get him involved in this. Leave all players out of this, they are probably more shocked than we are right now so you want them to perform, don't go writing such unfounded crap.

[saint77]

Oh For F\/cks sake. Stop your conjecture will ya? This player, Gully, has just arrived at our club. Don't get him involved in this. Leave all players out of this, they are probably more shocked than we are right now so you want them to perform, don't go writing such unfounded crap.

 

thats all he knows

[1976_Child]

I suspect that you and Dave are correct on several counts.

 

The alleged problems with the Stapelwood staff are such a big deal because it's easier - and far cheaper - to teach a "Southampton style" as part of a longer term project (a la Arsenal) than it would be to buy it. And Cortese seems very committed to developing a Southampton style but in a cost-effective and sustainable way. However, that needs commitment throughout the organization, and I think AP was more an "old style" manager - as most experienced British managers are.

 

So, I'd be surprised if if our next manager is British - unless it's one of the "new breed".

 

I'd also be surprised if Coppell isn't in this picture somewhere because Cortese obviously has a high regard for him. Whether that translates into a formal role such as DoF remains to be seen.

 

I think we're about to find out just how shrewd Cortese is. (Or isn't! )

 

so on the one hand you is saying that NC want to bring lads up through the ranks over time but yet also that NC wants promotion this season as a certainty. He ain't stupid you know.

[Glasgow_Saint]

talkSport saying that Guly told NC to sack AP!

[Whitey Grandad]

talkSport saying that Guly told NC to sack AP!

 

That solves it then. Guly to be player-manager.

[1976_Child]

Are others as worried as me about the suggestion that it might take several weeks to find a new manager and that Dean Wilkins is in charge "for the foreseeable future"?

 

I was rather hoping to be able to foresee us having a new managers within days...

 

Am worried that it might take a few weeks, not worried about Dean Wilkins being in charge. Living as I do here in Brighton (Hove actually) I can tell you that Wilkins is highly respected by Albion fans.

[Barry the Badger]

Wilkins did a good job at Brighton. I think they finished 7th in his only full season.

[DrZuess1979 the 2nd]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale-at-St-Marys.html

 

Sorry if a repost

 

One word GUTTED

 

Pardew talked alot of sense, but who know`s what go`s on, in the back ground.

 

 

O`Neill would be my only choice TBH (pie in the sky)

[Blackheathan]

As a victim of circumstance I think Cortese is going to do do just what he wants for a year if it doesn't work out he's off to the next job. So bye bye Pardew. Zola can f*ck off as can most of the other suggestions on here. We're a joke.

[1976_Child]

As a victim of circumstance I think Cortese is going to do do just what he wants for a year if it doesn't work out he's off to the next job. So bye bye Pardew. Zola can f*ck off as can most of the other suggestions on here. We're a joke.

 

yeah! I've missed the Lowe days too! **** it, let's get a big banner with "Cortese Out" made up, congregate at the Bargate and march to ground to demand his exit... Yeah! We're a Joke!! Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!!!!!! Toot toot toot!!!!!

 

Yawn...