Pardew and Coaching Staff Sacked.

[itchen]

Don't really understand the gallery that's been put up on the OS of todays training session. I think the policy for the photos was, "put photos up where people are smiling so it looks like everything is hunky dory."

 

Nice bit of propaganda.

 

I think you understand it exactly.

[saint77]

I don't see rickie lambert in those photos. This can only mean he has left with Pardew.

 

he will be devastated as he was very very close to pardew along with fonte

[saint J]

you lot have a short memory! nicola cortese saved our club so therefore im sticking by him.

 

+ 1

[saint lard]

They're quite clearly trying to portray to us that it's business as usual and the players are ''happy''

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/Gallery/0,,10280~2139716,00.html

 

 

Perhaps the players are "happy"

[ART]

It is surely what all the French have just concluded. Let's get WISE and see all of Southampton go in Seine. Not need to go to Morecombe, there's nothing Toulouse, cos we have the Monet, so WISE it is, thus saving the Saints from sailing down the Solent without a paddle.

[buctootim]

he will be devastated as he was very very close to pardew along with fonte

Yes. I get very very close to my bosses too. Im devastated when Ive known them as long as 8 months and they leave.

[Daren W]

OK you said the following:-

 

 

As we failed to gain promotion last season, it would indeed be judged as failure if we were to fail to go up this season, with no points deduction and taking into account the improvements in the team. And Pardew did not have just three games on the clock. He had the entire full last season too, plus cup matches.

 

I don't agree that it is madness, nor that the situation is chaotic, nor that any chance of promotion is put in real jeopardy. I regard those remarks as being hysterical and somebody who has followed football for as many years as you have ought to be able to recollect enough examples of similar situations which have produced positive results to make you a bit more ambivalent about it all.

 

Neither are we at square one again. Square one was when NC and ML took over the club. We have made considerable progress since then and the squad is significantly improved. It isn't the players who have gone, it is the manager. It might come to pass that we appoint a better one, so how are we back at square one?

 

I did name candidates who I would be happy with. I said Curbishley, but if it came to pass, O'Neill would be fantastic, but possibly beyond us. I pointed out that if we did get O'Neill, nearly everybody would then say what a good move it was, sacking Pardew.

 

But you along with others have condemned Cortese for sacking Pardew without any knowledge as to what the reason was, so naturally if you make known your guesses as to the reasons, that is pure conjecture and speculation. I reiterate, it might come to pass that either there are good reasons for his actions, or that we will appoint a replacement who will have have the fans drooling instead of dribbling.

 

I am happy to wait and see what transpires before making a knee-jerk reaction as to whether it is a good or a bad move. At this precise moment in time, nobody is able to make that judgment unless they know the background to it all. My suspicion is that there are very few people who know these things and that hardly any, or none of them have posted on this thread.

 

1) We have no manager and the club have stated they have no one waiting in the wings. Dean Wilkins is our manager. Ergo our promotion bid is jeopardy. Hardly hysterical

 

2) Yes, none of us know why Pardew was sacked and that in itself lends to question the chairman. Is it based on results? Did Pardew ask to speak to Aston Villa? Who knows but without our leadership giving us some reason why we have to believe it is the outcome of the rumours from the tail end of last season. That the team wasn't playing the way Cortese wanted

 

3) In regards to "I regard those remarks as being hysterical and somebody who has followed football for as many years as you have ought to be able to recollect enough examples of similar situations which have produced positive results to make you a bit more ambivalent about it all."

I reply with Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray. It's not as if we haven;t been here before is it? Alan Pardew made this club successful and gave us a winning mentality. A 58% winning percentage and a n 18% losing ratio tells us that Alan Pardew helped get rid of our losing mentality and any manager that comes in will be hard pushed to better that win rate.

 

4) Square One, how is this, right now, not square one? Yes we have better players which is down to Pardew. You can't just write off his impact on the club by saying that Cortese signing the cheques has progressed the club. The manager has. Now we have to start again/. Mangerless. Square One.

 

5) Failure to gain promotion is not an excuse to fire the man. He had to build a squad and start with a -10 penalty. Psychologically that was a big hurdle to overcome . Come the second transfer window things started to click and we improved immeasurably but you cannot fire the man because he failed to turn things around completely in one year. This club was in ruins and now we're disappointed to lose a game.... That's in no small measure down the manager.

 

There is obviously something else and we're not privy to it but to sack him on his time with Saints, results wise, makes no sense. I'm dealing in facts here, the club hasn't mentioned any other reasons and the club have stated there is no manager waiting in the wings. Without a valid reason for sacking him and with no successor lined up, those of us criticising Cortese are quite right to do so. Those defending Cortese on the promise that we may get someone better are the ones with their heads in the sand...

 

At this moment in time the club is chaos, I really can't see how you can view it as anything else...

[ericofarabia]

Yes. I get very very close to my bosses too. Im devastated when Ive known them as long as 8 months and they leave.

 

But how many of those managers head hunted you and talked you into joining the company with great tales of how the future looked?

[bridge too far]

It is surely what all the French have just concluded. Let's get WISE and see all of Southampton go in Seine. Not need to go to Morecombe, there's nothing Toulouse, cos we have the Monet, so WISE it is, thus saving the Saints from sailing down the Solent without a paddle.

 

This is what Matisse.

[dune]

This is what Matisse.

 

Don't ask.

[corsacar saint]

Why should the players not be happy at training? Not a bad job is it.

[aintforever]

Yes. I get very very close to my bosses too. Im devastated when Ive known them as long as 8 months and they leave.

 

But McDolalds have always had a high turnover of staff.

[1976_Child]

Why should the players not be happy at training? Not a bad job is it.

 

they are working on a bank holiday.

[buctootim]

But how many of those managers head hunted you and talked you into joining the company with great tales of how the future looked?

 

The clubs aims and objectives are still the same as those they were sold on - promotion.

[buctootim]

they are working on a bank holiday.

 

In which case they'll be on time and a half, plus possibly donuts bought by Ray for elevenses.

[buctootim]

But McDolalds have always had a high turnover of staff.

 

No other poster needs to snipe at you. You've got an uncanny ability to make yourself look dim unaided.

[Rory]

This site is a smouldering ball of airless conjecture. The situation really isn't worth all this fuss. We'll get a new manager soon enough and everyone will have forgotten about Pardew in a flash.

 

We won't get Martin O'Neill (for some reason a lot of fans think we have a divine right to employ any manager we want) and it's highly unlikely we'll get someone proven at a high level.

 

I think Cortese will employ a continental manager out of the blue, much like the Jan Poortvliet appointment.

[aintforever]

No other poster needs to snipe at you. You've got an uncanny ability to make yourself look dim unaided.

 

Put the handbag away - I was only joking.

[buctootim]

Put the handbag away - I was only joking.

 

Oh okay...... sorry....

[kpturner]

Charlton fans don't know whether to laugh or cry it seems

http://www.charltonlife.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=36533&page=1

[johnnyboy]

Intersting piece in the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale.htmlh

[itchen_dan]

SSN Now - Just revealed that Pards got told in a 10 MINUTE meeting this morning!

[kpturner]

Intersting piece in the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale.htmlh

I think you have buggered up your link with an extra "h" on the end.

[johnnyboy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale.html oops sorry !!

[buctootim]

Interesting story. None of us knows the whole picture.

[1976_Child]

Interesting story. None of us knows the whole picture.

 

the telegraph article says the search will take several weeks. Oh great.

[Ian the Red]

Just got in after being out all day. Shocked but not surprised. Heard the interview with Merrington and the Radio Solent bloke who both said there were rumours of unrest in the squad with the lack of pre season and other things. Not sure what they went by other things but obviously someting wasnt right.

 

NC would not have done this without having someone lined up. No one knows why this decision has been taken and until someone is appointed we should wait before passing judgement. AP did a good rebuilding job; could he take us to the prem and keep us there? No I do not think he is that good.

 

A manager appointed now with the right experience and money to buy now and when we gain promotion to the fizzy pop and then the prem would be a good move. The names mentioned, Copel, Zola ONeil would all get us there and keep us there and would only come with guarantees of money to spend to strengthen when needed.

 

Wait and see could be the best business we have done for a year.

 

WIFM

[The Godfather]

Not overly surprised by Pardew's sacking but shocked at the timing of it, I think Cortese knows who he wants as our next manager but isn't iminent.

I will judge Cortese from once the new mananger is in because that will defo be his decision and his man, especially with all the speculation over the last year that Pards wasn't his first choice.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

1) We have no manager and the club have stated they have no one waiting in the wings. Dean Wilkins is our manager. Ergo our promotion bid is jeopardy. Hardly hysterical

 

2) Yes, none of us know why Pardew was sacked and that in itself lends to question the chairman. Is it based on results? Did Pardew ask to speak to Aston Villa? Who knows but without our leadership giving us some reason why we have to believe it is the outcome of the rumours from the tail end of last season. That the team wasn't playing the way Cortese wanted

 

3) In regards to "I regard those remarks as being hysterical and somebody who has followed football for as many years as you have ought to be able to recollect enough examples of similar situations which have produced positive results to make you a bit more ambivalent about it all."

I reply with Steve Wigley and Stuart Gray. It's not as if we haven;t been here before is it? Alan Pardew made this club successful and gave us a winning mentality. A 58% winning percentage and a n 18% losing ratio tells us that Alan Pardew helped get rid of our losing mentality and any manager that comes in will be hard pushed to better that win rate.

 

4) Square One, how is this, right now, not square one? Yes we have better players which is down to Pardew. You can't just write off his impact on the club by saying that Cortese signing the cheques has progressed the club. The manager has. Now we have to start again/. Mangerless. Square One.

 

5) Failure to gain promotion is not an excuse to fire the man. He had to build a squad and start with a -10 penalty. Psychologically that was a big hurdle to overcome . Come the second transfer window things started to click and we improved immeasurably but you cannot fire the man because he failed to turn things around completely in one year. This club was in ruins and now we're disappointed to lose a game.... That's in no small measure down the manager.

 

There is obviously something else and we're not privy to it but to sack him on his time with Saints, results wise, makes no sense. I'm dealing in facts here, the club hasn't mentioned any other reasons and the club have stated there is no manager waiting in the wings. Without a valid reason for sacking him and with no successor lined up, those of us criticising Cortese are quite right to do so. Those defending Cortese on the promise that we may get someone better are the ones with their heads in the sand...

 

At this moment in time the club is chaos, I really can't see how you can view it as anything else...

 

Good post Darren...

[CanadaSaint]

Intersting piece in the telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale.html

 

Yes, that is interesting.

 

The cynic in me says that it's a Cortese-leaning piece that could be the result of some information fed from a high-level source.

[1976_Child]

Not overly surprised by Pardew's sacking but shocked at the timing of it, I think Cortese knows who he wants as our next manager but isn't iminent.

I will judge Cortese from once the new mananger is in because that will defo be his decision and his man, especially with all the speculation over the last year that Pards wasn't his first choice.

 

agree. From now on NC has to take full responsibility.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Just got in after being out all day. Shocked but not surprised. Heard the interview with Merrington and the Radio Solent bloke who both said there were rumours of unrest in the squad with the lack of pre season and other things. Not sure what they went by other things but obviously someting wasnt right.

 

NC would not have done this without having someone lined up. No one knows why this decision has been taken and until someone is appointed we should wait before passing judgement. AP did a good rebuilding job; could he take us to the prem and keep us there? No I do not think he is that good.

 

A manager appointed now with the right experience and money to buy now and when we gain promotion to the fizzy pop and then the prem would be a good move. The names mentioned, Copel, Zola ONeil would all get us there and keep us there and would only come with guarantees of money to spend to strengthen when needed.

 

Wait and see could be the best business we have done for a year.

 

WIFM

 

Both sentences are just speculation

[lordswoodsaints]

This is not a spur of the moment decision made by NC........

The way I see it is that if guly was a pardew signing then something has happened in the time between signing him and now that has prompted NC to sack pardew......if guly was 'forced upon' pardew then a new manager has been in the background suggesting which players to bring in knowing that pardew was on his way out.

 

I just don't buy into the bullish!t.....NC would not sack pardew without having somebody already lined up.....it is not a knee-jerk reaction it must have been thought through and planned otherwise it would be out of character for NC.

[Badger]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale.html oops sorry !!

 

But who exactly are these 'staff' at Staplewood, so intergral to our future, that NC jeopardises our prospects this season ?

 

Notably,no one is saying the players were p!ssed off with AP etc.They are critical to our success, other 'staff' may not be.

[saint lard]

ITV reporting 'Southampton football club are in disarray'.....a sentence i did not expect to see/hear again for a long, long time.

[The Godfather]

ITV reporting 'Southampton football club are in disarray'.....a sentence i did not expect to see/hear again for a long, long time.

 

Complete over reaction from ITV as usual.

[bridge too far]

Yes, that is interesting.

 

The cynic in me says that it's a Cortese-leaning piece that could be the result of some information fed from a high-level source.

 

The Guardian has much the same take:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/30/southampton-sack-alan-pardew

[CanadaSaint]

The Guardian has much the same take:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/30/southampton-sack-alan-pardew

 

True, but the part that grabbed my attention was the one that referenced Markus and his family.

 

While Cortese doesn't give a damn about the Echo and the red tops, I think he might be (indirectly) maintaining a link with some of the others.

 

The angles in the Guardian and the Telegraph seem to make it clear that he had no choice, which is how I'm sure Cortese would like to play this.

 

Who knows with Cortese?

[saint77]

when is the solent forum as i would bet we have new man by then

[Badger]

True, but the part that grabbed my attention was the one that referenced Markus and his family.

 

 

The angles in the Guardian and the Telegraph seem to make it clear that he had no choice, which is how I'm sure Cortese would like to play this.

 

Who knows with Cortese?

 

I don't understand why he would be compelled to sack APand two of his team in these circumstances.

 

An answer to the question I raised, below, might go some way in explaining it however.

 

But who exactly are these 'staff' at Staplewood, so intergral to our future, that NC jeopardises our prospects this season ?

 

Notably,no one is saying the players were p!ssed off with AP etc.They are critical to our success, other 'staff' may not be.

 

 

Someone earlier in the day suggested AP and NC had a major row on Saturday before the match about a potential transfer. Anyone know anything further on this issue ?

[Badger]

when is the solent forum as i would bet we have new man by then

 

I was told its on Friday, but as I'm out of area, that is third hand info really.

[Whitey Grandad]

So, who are these 'staff at Staplewood' that are more important than the players or the manager?

[CanadaSaint]

I don't understand why he would be compelled to sack APand two of his team in these circumstances.

 

Badger, I'm also not sure he was "compelled" but my suggestion is that this is how he'd like it to be seen.

 

Someone earlier in the day suggested AP and NC had a major row on Saturday before the match about a potential transfer. Anyone know anything further on this issue ?

 

There was a suggestion (how informed I'm not sure) that it was Cortese, not Pardew, that wanted Guly signed, and Cortese wasn't happy that he didn't start on Saturday.

[S-Clarke]

There was a suggestion (how informed I'm not sure) that it was Cortese, not Pardew, that wanted Guly signed, and Cortese wasn't happy that he didn't start on Saturday.

 

If true, Cortese needs to back off. It only ends in tears once the chairman start picking the teams. (as we've possibly seen here)

 

Let the people who you employed to manage the first team decide who bloody well plays. I utterly despise interfering chairman.

[The Godfather]

There was a suggestion (how informed I'm not sure) that it was Cortese, not Pardew, that wanted Guly signed, and Cortese wasn't happy that he didn't start on Saturday.

 

Don't believe that at all.

[lordswoodsaints]

IMO guly is the catalyst in all this.....I reckon he was forced upon pardew by cortese either to kick start his plan of getting rid of pardew or guly is part of the 'new' setup,possibly suggested as a signing by the incoming manager.

[CanadaSaint]

So, who are these 'staff at Staplewood' that are more important than the players or the manager?

 

I'm not sure it's the staff so much as the principle.

 

It's almost like we might have been in a less extreme version of the Harry/Rupert days, with Cortese wanting to see us committed to the development system, and AP preferring to splash the cash for seasoned players.

 

If so, it's another old style versus new style issue, which probably increases the likelihood of a foreign manager/coach.

[Super_Uwe]

For me it's a sad day not only for Saints but football in general - of course no-one really knows the full facts behind this decision, but it merely reinforces my personal view that professional football in its current guise is gradually losing the plot.

 

How you can sack someone after winning an away match 4-0 is beyond me, irrespective of whether there are tensions between the coaching staff and the boardroom. It is quite simply deranged.

 

That said, we have no option but to wait and see what happens and keep our fingers crossed that this (somehow) galvanises the team and focuses them on the task in hand (which is to win promotion at all costs it would seem). We still have arguably the strongest squad in League One and I hope that they can all try and be as professional as possible.

 

I agree with the other posters who suggest there must be some sort of Plan B with respect to the next boss, even if the statement suggests otherwise.

 

On a final note I wish AP and his other sacked staff all the very best; I just feel totally bemused that it's ended in such a farcical manner.

[S-Clarke]

IMO guly is the catalyst in all this.....I reckon he was forced upon pardew by cortese either to kick start his plan of getting rid of pardew or guly is part of the 'new' setup,possibly suggested as a signing by the incoming manager.

 

Guly stinks of a Cortese signing tbh. Same country papa came from, same agent as papa etc...

 

i thought Pardew would have given this the ok and actually knew a bit about him, but maybe not.

[bisleysaint]

Canada Saint; I think you've hit on something. But we did also have a poor/below par pre-season, and the first two home games were extremely disappointing. AP didn't appear to have a plan B. But very odd timing after a 4-0 win.