Asaint4ever Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 someone on the news website is convinced Martin O'neil will be announced today. Would relish the thought if true,but somehow really doubt it. Would love it if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Oh dear, that decision could come back and bite us in the arse. Think Cortese has this one wrong personally, Pards is a very good manager and more than capable of leading us out of this division. Feel sorry for him actually, he's put in a lot of hard work over the last year and a half to assemble a quality team and get them playing properly, which he's done. Gutted actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 They just said on Talksport that the rumour doing the rounds in the press is that Dennis Wise is going to be the next manager. Quick someone get in touch with the guy from behind the grassy knoll, I have sxxt better managers than Wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmusicdude Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Will the ppl who attacked FF NOW accept what he said was right & retract!! I bet not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Am I correct in assuming that Cortese chose Pardew in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 (edited) FF for Manager with derry and Prof as his number two and three.....Always thought these three scally wags new what they were talking about... WIF..Duncan.. Gis a job please Duncan.. Will Paul Tisdale be asked a second time? Edited 30 August, 2010 by ottery st mary memory loss and seeking employment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andysstuff Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Can't say I'm surprised. Expected it first weekend after losing, but guess Marcus' premature death moved the timetable somewhat. That said, with 2 days of the transfer window left and a good 4-0 win under our belts I am somewhat disappointed with the decision. Good luck alan and staff for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 this is the bit from cortese's statement that ****es me of the most "We recognise that frequent changes to the football management are unlikely to assist in the winning of trophies and promotions" ....... well obviousy you don't recognise it that much!!!! I think you miss the point entirely here. By stating that they realise changing the manager frequently is not good, they are making the point that this decision has not been taken lightly. CEOs are paid to make the big decisions, they live and the ydie by them. As Cortese has no precedent yet in management changes I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and see who he appoints but more importantly where the team finishes come May. To be blunt thats actually all that matters. We will all have our choices and reasons for any particular manager but ultimately its the results on the pitch that matter. Because of the timing I would be very surprised if a new manager is not in place by tomorrow, if not sooner. The players will be in a bit of shock and although Wilkins will carry on training them, Leadership of the team is critical. When a manager is sacked appointments are usually very quick indeed. When managers resign, the process is longer because the club would not have planned for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 duncan was right and I realised this ages ago so I apologised. He knows people who are personally involved and we should listen to what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Could it also be that,Les Read,has a bigger impact than we all think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 It is C O R T E S E Oh do grow up. A man of your years should know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Without disclosing my opinion on this morning's events (which could be one way or t'other) am I the only one a little excited about what might happen next? Excited? Trust Cortese? AP was the man to get us out of this division - apart from Sheffield W we had no-one to fear. It was just a slow, disjointed start, that was all. Cortese wants the bling of the Premiership while we're still in the 3rd division. I am outraged. What a way to treat AP, Wally, the fans etc.. The man is a **** and I want nothing else to do with the club I have been supporting for 47 until Cortese has gone. It is his plaything and it will all end in tears and he WILL go as all dictators meet a nasty end eventually. The last Italian one ended up hanging upside down from a lampost. I'm too far away at the moment so hopefully the good citizens of Southampton will have done the job before I can get down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Strange that although the entire coaching staff have been sacked alongside AP, Dean Wilkins is caretaker manager! I know that there has to be someone at the helm whilst a new manager is looked for, but if there was any sort of comradery between AP and Wilkins, Wilkins would have left as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Oh do grow up. A man of your years should know better. It was a J O K E Alps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Oh do grow up. A man of your years should know better. Well it made me smile. Sometimes you just have to take things in the spirit that was intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Excited? Trust Cortese? AP was the man to get us out of this division - apart from Sheffield W we had no-one to fear. It was just a slow, disjointed start, that was all. Cortese wants the bling of the Premiership while we're still in the 3rd division. I am outraged. What a way to treat AP, Wally, the fans etc.. The man is a **** and I want nothing else to do with the club I have been supporting for 47 until Cortese has gone. It is his plaything and it will all end in tears and he WILL go as all dictators meet a nasty end eventually. The last Italian one ended up hanging upside down from a lampost. I'm too far away at the moment so hopefully the good citizens of Southampton will have done the job before I can get down there. This comment is a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Its quite obvious that Cortese is a f**cking MEGLOMANIAC and now that Markus has sadly died he has now carried out what he wanted to do last season and sack Pardew. If Markus had agreed with Pardew being sacked then it would have happened at the end of last season. To me its obvious that the main reason he has sacked Pardew is because he was told before by Markus that he couldnt. Cortese out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Why, oh why are our Chairmen always such utter f'in egomaniac idiots? Quite right Victor the man's a ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 It was a J O K E Alps It was cliched and childish and I would have expected it from one of my kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Curbishley? Phil Brown? Same mould as Pardew... so why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 A rumour that has been passed on to me is that one of the club's training staff has suggested all was not well with Pardew and that he upset a few at the training ground i.e. those he didn;t want to use for training would immediatley send home after calling them in and generally all was not well. Just passing on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Unbelievable that after all the managers we've had, Pardew gets sacked after just one ****ing year in charge, during which he just missed out on the playoffs and won a trophy. He'd only lost one league game this season and had the players back on song again too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsk II Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Excited? Trust Cortese? AP was the man to get us out of this division - apart from Sheffield W we had no-one to fear. It was just a slow, disjointed start, that was all. Cortese wants the bling of the Premiership while we're still in the 3rd division. I am outraged. What a way to treat AP, Wally, the fans etc.. The man is a **** and I want nothing else to do with the club I have been supporting for 47 until Cortese has gone. It is his plaything and it will all end in tears and he WILL go as all dictators meet a nasty end eventually. The last Italian one ended up hanging upside down from a lampost. I'm too far away at the moment so hopefully the good citizens of Southampton will have done the job before I can get down there. Have a word with yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 (edited) Its quite obvious that Cortese is a f**cking MEGLOMANIAC and now that Markus has sadly died he has now carried out what he wanted to do last season and sack Pardew. If Markus had agreed with Pardew being sacked then it would have happened at the end of last season. To me its obvious that the main reason he has sacked Pardew is because he was told before by Markus that he couldnt. Cortese out! I don't think this is to far away from the truth. Edited 30 August, 2010 by Toomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Originally Posted by andybeal Its quite obvious that Cortese is a f**cking MEGLOMANIAC and now that Markus has sadly died he has now carried out what he wanted to do last season and sack Pardew. If Markus had agreed with Pardew being sacked then it would have happened at the end of last season. To me its obvious that the main reason he has sacked Pardew is because he was told before by Markus that he couldnt. Cortese out! I don't think this is to far away from the truth. CORTESE OUT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upton72 Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 This. A good, balanced perspective. The 0-4 win on Saturday hasnt changed matters. This has been planned for some time, just makes NC look a bit daft. At least for me it suggests NC and the Liebherrs still want to execute on Marrkus's plan. Behind it all is the "Project". There's a strategy in place with a fixed and finite Time Frame. Last season, wonderful though it was full of relief that we'd still got a club and excitement at our Wembley Final, we fell behind on the "Project". NC does not make decisions about his management team on an overnight basis. What might have contributed is an obviously under-prepared 1st team with key players some way below full fitness. We'll never know if the untimely death of ML freed NC to sack AP and his staff. I suspect that ML might have had a more benign approach and given AP until Christmas. Personalities do enter into it; they do in any business. But here again, if NC believed that AP could only take us so far, then it would only have been a case of "when" not "if". Perhaps it's worth looking at it another way; is it about revenues rather than results? NC wants more "Walk-Ups" on match day. They are more profitable than ST's. If, by recruiting a Big Name/Lesser Name but with Undoubted Potential to manage the club and the Big Name attracts some marquee players, (see Cardiff Loan signings for how it's done financially without upsetting existing pay structure), then more people will come through the turnstiles. Look at our home gates for this season, much less than expected, particularly when you take out away supporters. Is incremental revenue not meeting targets? That's what it's all about; meeting and exceeding targets. I firmly believed that AP would get us promotion. I was not entirely sure that he'd make the automatic places this season. (Let's not talk about Leeds because no one knows who owns that club) Alan Pardew gave us all he'd got and more. He deserves our best wishes for his, and his fellow assistant's future. He won't be out of a job for long. he has a good track record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Excited? Trust Cortese? AP was the man to get us out of this division - apart from Sheffield W we had no-one to fear. It was just a slow, disjointed start, that was all. Cortese wants the bling of the Premiership while we're still in the 3rd division. I am outraged. What a way to treat AP, Wally, the fans etc.. The man is a **** and I want nothing else to do with the club I have been supporting for 47 until Cortese has gone. It is his plaything and it will all end in tears and he WILL go as all dictators meet a nasty end eventually. The last Italian one ended up hanging upside down from a lampost. I'm too far away at the moment so hopefully the good citizens of Southampton will have done the job before I can get down there. Really? I was'nt convinced and neither of course was NC. I take it that your rather tantrum like stand will soon subside should a new manager with substance come in - And take us to promotion in style ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I don't think this is to far away from the truth. What the ****? How can you simply spout rubbish about that which you do not know? Ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyhappysaint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So happy with this decision - great to know that the we have someone in the club who has the balls to do what is right and at the right time Too many excuses all the time and not enough reality. AP was not the man, if he was we would already be in the championship this year. We have the best players by far in our league and just need the right manager now get them into a great Team. Coppell would me my choice, O'Neil would be amazing to have but can not see that somehow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 I heard Nicola Cortese caused the floods in Pakistan. Why is it always our chairmen ffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Alan pardew has never been the man to take us forward. He has no plan B in games, substitutions always came too late to affect a game, the squad looked decidedly unfit at the start of this season. Yes the timing is a little strange, but if it wasnt for Marcus passing away i think this may have happened after the Plymouth game. People are blinded by the JPT win last season, we were inconsistent in the league last season and all we heard was excuses about dodgy pitches and teams playing negatively against us. We are an expensively assembled side who should have done better and shown more consistency than we did, and the three league games at the start of this season only cemented that theory. Cortese has made quite a few gaffs but on this one I couldnt agree with him more, my only regret is that he went momentarily soft at the end of last season and didnt do it then. This represents how I feel. Am sure Markus and NC must have discussed this and have had it in mind long before Markus died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Man Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 For some time I have been worried that Cortese will turn out to be worse for us than Lowe ever was. His methods may well turn out to be successful, but is success at any price worth having? Say, the soul of the club? So having got rid of Pardew, if he brings in a new manager that brings us success you'll think he's worse than Lowe??? Sorry but that is complete ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So happy with this decision - great to know that the we have someone in the club who has the balls to do what is right and at the right time Too many excuses all the time and not enough reality. AP was not the man, if he was we would already be in the championship this year. We have the best players by far in our league and just need the right manager now get them into a great Team. Coppell would me my choice, O'Neil would be amazing to have but can not see that somehow! I think that's stretching things a bit too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 you lot have a short memory! nicola cortese saved our club so therefore im sticking by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So happy with this decision - great to know that the we have someone in the club who has the balls to do what is right and at the right time Too many excuses all the time and not enough reality. AP was not the man, if he was we would already be in the championship this year. We have the best players by far in our league and just need the right manager now get them into a great Team. Coppell would me my choice, O'Neil would be amazing to have but can not see that somehow! Thanks for that Nicola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 You can look at this two ways really, one that NC is a ****ing megalomaniac that will damage our club; or that we have a chairman that's setting standards to achieve what's needed for success. The sad truth is we're unlikely to see the truth for a few seasons yet and personally i think the second is more worrying than the first in some ways, since if we don't get promoted this season what's to say he won't encourage the sale of the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asaint4ever Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So happy with this decision - great to know that the we have someone in the club who has the balls to do what is right and at the right time Too many excuses all the time and not enough reality. AP was not the man, if he was we would already be in the championship this year. We have the best players by far in our league and just need the right manager now get them into a great Team. Coppell would me my choice, O'Neil would be amazing to have but can not see that somehow! + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Played 3 league games this season & we've won one - drawn one - and lost one. Typical Saints - and many would say typical Pardew. Obviously Cortese can see/feel the same old pattern unfolding from last season. . . and has taken steps to rectify the situation. I guess I'm possibly/probably one of the least surprised SFC fans this morning?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Thanks for that Nicola. So if his replacement doesn't get auto promotion I trust you will be calling his judgement into question? A man who has less experience in football matters than you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 But what would you have said after Rochdale beat us 2-0 next Saturday under Pardew? I don't agree with you at all, lots of people have been calling for Pardew's head for months, now they've got it. Sooner rather than later is good for the club if we want it to progress. Let's face it we are not playing very attractive football most of the time and I for one am fed up with long aimless balls up to their box. I suppose a few players will bugger off now that Pardew is out but there are better ones around and Cortese has made sure that he didn't give Pardew more money to squander. Sorry, but where did I say Pardew was beyond criticism? Where have I even suggested that Pardew didn;t merit a dismissal? My point is the timing is shocking, two days away from the end of the transfer window and three games into the season. I haven't mentioned Pardew's ability as a manager at all. You've just made all of that up.... And whilst we're at it, what if we beat Rochdale 4-0? You can't base a response on what might happen in the future... The fact is we're starting from scratch yet again and I'm sorry but considering our own history, that's just not on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Alan pardew has never been the man to take us forward. He has no plan B in games, substitutions always came too late to affect a game, the squad looked decidedly unfit at the start of this season. Yes the timing is a little strange, but if it wasnt for Marcus passing away i think this may have happened after the Plymouth game. People are blinded by the JPT win last season, we were inconsistent in the league last season and all we heard was excuses about dodgy pitches and teams playing negatively against us. We are an expensively assembled side who should have done better and shown more consistency than we did, and the three league games at the start of this season only cemented that theory. Cortese has made quite a few gaffs but on this one I couldnt agree with him more, my only regret is that he went momentarily soft at the end of last season and didnt do it then. Like this post. Getting more and more comfortable with this decision with every passing moment. So long as his replacement is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So if his replacement doesn't get auto promotion I trust you will be calling his judgement into question? A man who has less experience in football matters than you? Nope, I will be calling for him to get a second chance, just like you lot did for AP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Duncan,was spot on. Personally I am not surprised,if we win automatic promotion,then it is the correct decision,if we do not,then it is obviously not. Yes, it would appear so, however, AP must be gutted I would have thought, having come in as manager with what was no real team, then having to build that team, we won the JPT and whilst we have not go off to a flying start this season I think the Rovers game, that may have been the turning point; I am just concerned as to who will replace him, simply because their is not a lot out their frankly; unless we pay out some big money and poach a well qualified manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 You can look at this two ways really, one that NC is a ****ing megalomaniac that will damage our club; or that we have a chairman that's setting standards to achieve what's needed for success. The sad truth is we're unlikely to see the truth for a few seasons yet and personally i think the second is more worrying than the first in some ways, since if we don't get promoted this season what's to say he won't encourage the sale of the club? So if the new manager comes in a wins one game, draws another and loses then next what then? Pardew's win ratio was very good. If the new guys doesn't do better will he last beyond Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 So happy with this decision - great to know that the we have someone in the club who has the balls to do what is right and at the right time Too many excuses all the time and not enough reality. AP was not the man, if he was we would already be in the championship this year. We have the best players by far in our league and just need the right manager now get them into a great Team. Coppell would me my choice, O'Neil would be amazing to have but can not see that somehow! I support this view too. Would not be surprised to see Zola turn up at the training ground by the end of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burger Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 You can look at this two ways really, one that NC is a ****ing megalomaniac that will damage our club; or that we have a chairman that's setting standards to achieve what's needed for success. The sad truth is we're unlikely to see the truth for a few seasons yet and personally i think the second is more worrying than the first in some ways, since if we don't get promoted this season what's to say he won't encourage the sale of the club? Doesn't this decision (whether it is right or wrong) show that not only is the money still there but the long term desire to see success is still with the Liebherr family (and NC). If there was no passion for the future then you would just let things run there course under AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 Like this post. Getting more and more comfortable with this decision with every passing moment. So long as his replacement is good. I'm getting flashbacks from the Lowe/Sturrock episode... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 You can look at this two ways really, one that NC is a ****ing megalomaniac that will damage our club; or that we have a chairman that's setting standards to achieve what's needed for success. The sad truth is we're unlikely to see the truth for a few seasons yet and personally i think the second is more worrying than the first in some ways, since if we don't get promoted this season what's to say he won't encourage the sale of the club? Agreed, the second is more worrying. We dont know what NC and the Liebherrs will do once we really have broken the plan. The idea is to have 2 promotions in 5 years. Fail this season and it is getting f**king tight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner MkIII Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 WTF!!!! Way to go Cortese! You **** wit!!! Yeah! We're definitely moving in the right direction now! If we needed a management change (To which I don't believe we did!!), why wasn't it done at the end of last season. You deserved better Pards, all the best for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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