dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 Posted the link on the Stuart Broad thread but probably needs somewhere more permanent as this is likely to run and run. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/7970062/Pakistan-cricket-team-at-centre-of-alleged-match-fixing-controversy.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/7970176/England-v-Pakistan-alleged-match-fixing-a-real-tragedy-for-game-of-cricket.html Expect the NoTW is pretty full of this as well Not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2010 http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/content/current/story/474890.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 only just over the line tbf .. http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/924391/The-three-balls-that-will-shake-world-of-cricket.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2010 Nah, honest Gov. I didn't do it, t'was pure co-incidence squire. No way, not I, never. If this sting broke during the test it's no wonder they looked like Rabbits in the Headlights yesterday and would expect this morning's session to last about 12 balls IF they bother to turn up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dark Sotonic Mills Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 I found it amusing that the ICB Anti-Corruption Unit is based in Dubai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 I can't see there being any play today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2010 http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-pakistan-2010/engine/current/match/426416.html More emerges On their way to the ground 15mins late though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2010 I found it amusing that the ICB Anti-Corruption Unit is based in Dubai. As is the entire ICC ooperation who moved out of London. geographically central and also tax free with special deals on the land etc hence the Emirates lgo on everything at Cricket these days as part of the package the Umpires whizz around in Biz class on Emirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 It's wierd, my first thought is anyone involved should be kicked out of the game for Life...but when Le Tis admitted he had deliberately booted a ball out for a throw-in and there was some outrage I was thinking, 'What's all the fuss about?' I can't work out if it's my Love of Le Tis, or that I care more about the integrity of Cricket than football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 Nothing new is it? Hansie Cronje was banned for match fixing and even Alex Stewart was implicated but nothing was proven. Probably goes on more than we realise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2010 It's wierd, my first thought is anyone involved should be kicked out of the game for Life...but when Le Tis admitted he had deliberately booted a ball out for a throw-in and there was some outrage I was thinking, 'What's all the fuss about?' I can't work out if it's my Love of Le Tis, or that I care more about the integrity of Cricket than football. Was thinking the same myself. Viewed with hindsight it clearly seems much worse now than it may have done at the time. That event happened in a far more naive time when it could be argued (by MLT himself) that it was a lark to pull one over on the bookies. The problem is that like many things evil, they start off as small and insignificant events and quickly grow into a multi-headed hydra. MLT would have never understood the implications and how the world has progressed (and he has publicly apologised and I & other TSW members have heard him speak from the heart about it publicly), BUT it is a serious lesson for everyone to note. Nothing is ever as it seems and a harmless jape today can become something really serious and damaging in many different areas and walks of life. I'm annoyed that this takes the shine off a fantastic performance and recovery from England and it also seems very likely now that Pakistan will be ordered to return home meaning no ODI's or Twenty20 matches. Which is REALLY annoying as I had tweaked a trip to the US just so I could get to the Rosebowl in September. A lot of Pakistanis here are in denial, believing they have been stitched up by the Colonialist pigs again. A lot more are deeply saddened and feel cheated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 Was thinking the same myself. Viewed with hindsight it clearly seems much worse now than it may have done at the time. That event happened in a far more naive time when it could be argued (by MLT himself) that it was a lark to pull one over on the bookies. The problem is that like many things evil, they start off as small and insignificant events and quickly grow into a multi-headed hydra. MLT would have never understood the implications and how the world has progressed (and he has publicly apologised and I & other TSW members have heard him speak from the heart about it publicly), BUT it is a serious lesson for everyone to note. Nothing is ever as it seems and a harmless jape today can become something really serious and damaging in many different areas and walks of life. I'm annoyed that this takes the shine off a fantastic performance and recovery from England and it also seems very likely now that Pakistan will be ordered to return home meaning no ODI's or Twenty20 matches. Which is REALLY annoying as I had tweaked a trip to the US just so I could get to the Rosebowl in September. A lot of Pakistanis here are in denial, believing they have been stitched up by the Colonialist pigs again. A lot more are deeply saddened and feel cheated Yeah, I agree with all of that. It is an interesting one, and as my previous post said I been having a bit of a moral dilemma about this one all morning. Too be honest I quite suprised how gutted I am by this episode, i'm aware it's only 'spot fixing' which is the same crime as Matty commited, but you can't help thinking what else is going on . There is so much meaningless international cricket being played, with little resting on the outcome, these sort of games could be a goldmine for 'spot fixing' It must be particulaly embarrassing for some Pakastani's as we have been quite accomodating in hosting neutral tests for them, (Yorshire lost £500k in doing this) I fear for Pakastani cricket as this is just another stick for people to beat them with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 If the news broke without naming the Country involved 99.9% of cricket fans would have guessed Pakistan. They're the Harry Redknapp of world cricket, everyone knows they're corrupt, but it's sort of swept under the carpet. The differance to this than MLT's unwise action is huge. Firstly once the bookies are into you, they're into you. First bowling no balls, next it'll be throwing wickets away. I believe Hansie Cronje started by passing pitch information, and team selection, this then grew to giving info about what he'd do after winning the toss, and then became match fixing. Once they paid him for the small stuff, they ramped up the pressure. Matt's although misguided was him and his mates, not a major ring where a middleman was paid £150,000. This will be swept under the carpet, with a couple of players sacrificed, but the ICC will not act as they should. The Asia bloc are too powerful and whether it's this, ball tampering, chucking from MM or any other event that tars the game, they will not act against it.If they will do this in a test match at Lords, god knows what happens at meaningless ODI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 29 August, 2010 If the news broke without naming the Country involved 99.9% of cricket fans would have guessed Pakistan. They're the Harry Redknapp of world cricket, everyone knows they're corrupt, but it's sort of swept under the carpet. The differance to this than MLT's unwise action is huge. Firstly once the bookies are into you, they're into you. First bowling no balls, next it'll be throwing wickets away. I believe Hansie Cronje started by passing pitch information, and team selection, this then grew to giving info about what he'd do after winning the toss, and then became match fixing. Once they paid him for the small stuff, they ramped up the pressure. Matt's although misguided was him and his mates, not a major ring where a middleman was paid £150,000. This will be swept under the carpet, with a couple of players sacrificed, but the ICC will not act as they should. The Asia bloc are too powerful and whether it's this, ball tampering, chucking from MM or any other event that tars the game, they will not act against it.If they will do this in a test match at Lords, god knows what happens at meaningless ODI's. The problem with Pakistani cricket is much deeper than simply match fixing. The rotten mess goes all the way through the entire politics surrounding the National Side. I had the good fortune to spend time as a guest of Lahore CC during our previous tours and saw mobile phones being delivered to "The Office of a Pakistani Cricket Legend" for distribution to the players (as did Bumble & and another Sky voice). That legend was so high up that his office was a VVIP box above the VIP boxes, next door to that of the commentary team and the other side was Musharraf's personal box. Nobody was in any doubt who the phones were from all had the players names on. BUT for the players surrounded by favouritism, cronism, and sheer ludicrous selection policies, I don't really know if you can cast the "It's just not cricket" "Nose held high in arrogant posture" response. While they may well do better than the "First Class" cricketers in their country and have the chance of being a celeb, they will often be supporting a vast army of family and friends. So their actions (allegedly) cannot be condoned. But they can be understood. Before Cricket does the simple expedient thing of simply throwing those poor idiots who got caught out of the game they REALLY should look MUCH higher at the mess and where the whole stain flows down from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 30 August, 2010 Share Posted 30 August, 2010 This will be swept under the carpet, with a couple of players sacrificed, but the ICC will not act as they should. The Asia bloc are too powerful and whether it's this, ball tampering, chucking from MM or any other event that tars the game, they will not act against it.If they will do this in a test match at Lords, god knows what happens at meaningless ODI's. You may be right but this might just be the final straw as far as Pakistani Cricket is concerned. Aside from the obvious facts that no International cricket is being played in Pakistan and the increasingly frequent occurrence of controversy involving Pakistan this really could not have happened at a worse time. The current floods are one of the worst natural disasters ever to hit Pakistan with thousands dead and an estimated 17 million affected by the flooding. In a country where cricket is followed with such passion the current team were really duty bound to give them inspiration, even aside from the match fixing allegations their capitulation in the final test was just abject. Even now, 15 months after the attack on the Sri Lankan team, the PCB have not submitted a report to the ICC. However, you have someone like Javed Miandad who really should know better, actually wanting action taken against the Sri Lankan team for complaining about lack of security ! Pakistani cricket needs a complete overhaul starting with those at the highest level. The air of corruption surrounding the PCB will not go away any time soon unless changes do occur, I'm not convinced that countries will continue to support them. As someone pointed out Yorkshire hosted a match between Australia and Pakistan, they did indeed lose about £500,000 in the process. Are they or anyone else going to repeat that ? Of course it hardly seems likely. Nobody even knows yet if the ODI matches will go ahead. Pakistan are saying they intend to play but how many players will need to be replaced, 7, 8 ? It's anyone's guess and if Test matches can give opportunities for alleged match fixing then the opportunities in 20/20 especially played at such break neck speed must surely be much greater. The Pakistan team should just return home and take no further part in International cricket until the ICC are convinced they have at least taken significant steps to put their house in order. Having been fortunate enough to have seen the likes of Zaheer Abbas, Imran Khan and many other great Pakistani cricketeers play it's not something I would say unless I really believed there was another solution, I don't see one and so sad as it would be I think it is time to say enough is enough. Time will tell what follows but I really do believe that this would be the lesser of several evils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 30 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 30 August, 2010 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/7971107/Cricket-match-fixing-suspicion-falls-on-80-games.html 80 matches being investigated. Team coach pelted with tomatoes. Safety of the players at risk now? Looks less likely they can play the ODI's, which will open up more cans of worms as Counties and lawyers seek damages.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadesmith Posted 31 August, 2010 Share Posted 31 August, 2010 Funnily enough the Dail Mirror is making the same point about Le Tiss as i made yesterday, and saying , 'is there essentialy any difference between what he did, and what the pakistanis did? I have to say , I don't think there is alot of difference..& I love Matty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 2 September, 2010 Share Posted 2 September, 2010 You couldn't make it up. According to the Pakistani's it was all a set up They've now sent in some replacements, a bloke banned for drug taking and another convicted ball tamperer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 September, 2010 Share Posted 4 September, 2010 (edited) Makes their World Cup defeat against Ireland and subsequent death/murder of Bob Woolmer look even more suspicious. Who knows, maybe Bob was going to blow the whistle. I think the Pakistani Cricket Board, with their support of these three cheats are a disgrace to the game and to their country. Edited 4 September, 2010 by Wade Garrett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 You couldn't make it up. According to the Pakistani's it was all a set up They've now sent in some replacements, a bloke banned for drug taking and another convicted ball tamperer. One of whom just happened to drop the simplest of catches today ! The problem now is anything like that will set people thinking, I stick to my view Pakistan should have gone home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 6 September, 2010 Share Posted 6 September, 2010 Makes their World Cup defeat against Ireland and subsequent death/murder of Bob Woolmer look even more suspicious. Who knows, maybe Bob was going to blow the whistle. I think the Pakistani Cricket Board, with their support of these three cheats are a disgrace to the game and to their country. As I stated above the PCB is inherently corrupt so in my view the problem clearly stems from that and though it is hard to sympathise with any players involved in match fixing of any kind what sort of message does that send to the players and especially the younger ones ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2010 And AGAIN??!! FFS how thick can someone be? The whole world is watching and The Sun alleges the ICC were tipped off about scoring patterns yesterday and low and behold.. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3143052/Cricket-chiefs-probe-new-Pakistan-fix-claims.html Mr Big allegedly in Dubai - that explains the apparent arrogant naivety to keep going, rumours used to be that it centred on a couple of 'well known" Asian restaurants down here back in the Sharjah ODI days. So next up will be the sweepstake on who is the brainless idiot in the team that was involved. A ring leader in the team. This suddenly pops up after two matches in the series. Hmm Time to go the next level, perhaps this is now more than match or spot fixing, their neighbours really don't like them and this would be a wonderful way to discredit an entire Nation. Or are they really, simply that Thick and that Greedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 18 September, 2010 Share Posted 18 September, 2010 I stick to my assertion made before the ODI's began that Pakistan should just go home and at least get their own house in order. Something like this was always very likely, this one day series is meaningless as far as I'm concerned and has taken attention away from what was a very good end to the County Championship and also the Somerset v Warwickshire one day final at Lords today. GO HOME NOW !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Nick Posted 18 September, 2010 Share Posted 18 September, 2010 And AGAIN??!! FFS how thick can someone be? The whole world is watching and The Sun alleges the ICC were tipped off about scoring patterns yesterday and low and behold.. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3143052/Cricket-chiefs-probe-new-Pakistan-fix-claims.html Mr Big allegedly in Dubai - that explains the apparent arrogant naivety to keep going, rumours used to be that it centred on a couple of 'well known" Asian restaurants down here back in the Sharjah ODI days. So next up will be the sweepstake on who is the brainless idiot in the team that was involved. A ring leader in the team. This suddenly pops up after two matches in the series. Hmm Time to go the next level, perhaps this is now more than match or spot fixing, their neighbours really don't like them and this would be a wonderful way to discredit an entire Nation. Or are they really, simply that Thick and that Greedy? Is it possible for one team to rig the number of runs and wickets in an over? I am of course not suggesting that England were involved in anything illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 18 September, 2010 Author Share Posted 18 September, 2010 Is it possible for one team to rig the number of runs and wickets in an over? I am of course not suggesting that England were involved in anything illegal. No idea, but it may be possible while batting to say that Over X would be a Maiden. Or that the batting Powerplay might be taken after Z overs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 9 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 9 November, 2010 So the stench seems to hang around Pakistani cricket. The actions of Haider the wicketkeeper in the past days serve as a horrific notice that there is still something very corrupt at the heart of cricket. All credit to the guy for planning and then making his escape from the team hotel. He must have been terrified AND horrified that his efforts to win a game for his country led to his family being threatened. Also fair play to the ICC for their response to events. Let us hope some moron at Immigration doesn't try and kick him back out to allow some freeloading terrorist wannabe take his place and draw his social. Haider showed real courage and commitment with the bat & gloves in last summers' tests & I hope he gets a good county contract as he builds a new life here Shocking story in all reality for any cricket lover http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/8119327/Pakistan-wicketkeeper-Zulqarnain-Haider-retires-from-international-cricket.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/8117122/Pakistan-wicketkeeper-Zulqarnain-Haider-goes-missing-after-fixing-threats.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 Nice sash kit on the bloke following him at Heathrow as well. Not one of ours, but it did make me look twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithd Posted 10 November, 2010 Share Posted 10 November, 2010 that there is still something very corrupt at the heart of cricket. a wee bit sweeping and generalising mr phil. to say something is rotten and corrupt within pakistani cricket would be more accurate but cricket itself, i hope, is pretty sound and free from corruption or maybe im just hoping thats the case and living in a dream world...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 November, 2010 Author Share Posted 10 November, 2010 a wee bit sweeping and generalising mr phil. to say something is rotten and corrupt within pakistani cricket would be more accurate but cricket itself, i hope, is pretty sound and free from corruption or maybe im just hoping thats the case and living in a dream world...? ICC ain't as bad as allegedly Fifa to be fair But then you have that lad from Essex wasn't it And you have the whole IPL Lalit Modi issue So not totally at the heart but still pretty much close to it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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