Lallana's Knee

[NickG]

According to AP on the OS article, Lallana has been having trouble with this "all year"

 

Why oh why did he not go under the knife back after the Southend game ?

 

I said I would not post knowledge I had but on this occassion to prevent speculation:

 

Adam has been suffering a knee nuisance since pre season. When it did not settle before the season started he was referred to a specialist in London. No reason for the problem was apparent without surgery. He would have been out for about 4 weeks following if nothing found and an estimated 6 weeks if repair necessary.

 

The Specialist recommendation to Adam and the club was to play and see what happened as it might clear itself. The Specialist said if he broke down he would have him in for a further diagnosis and possible surgery. Adam and the club acted on this advice.

 

Let us see what develops. The club are not to blame for the timing. Pardew is not to blame for the timing. Adam is not to blame for the timing.

 

Thanks Weston,

 

Although bloody obvious it would be something like that but doesn't stop some looking for some random made up reason to knock the club.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Weston giving us the low down on AL is very refreshing and reassuring. His family taking the time to clarify things is also welcome and appreciated. I wish Adam the best of luck because we need him on the pitch.

It would be great - when possible and realistic - if the club could be a little more quicker to inform on such matters which would then lead to a reduction of harmful speculation or confusion.

I accept we have no God given rights anymore - it would just be nice that's all!

[Andy_Porter]

Shame for Adam, I feared the worst when he came off. He didn't really seem to do anything just broke down in the middle of the pitch after Schneiderlin generously gave the opposition the ball as he does from every centre.

 

Hope 4-6 weeks is worst case and he comes back in before then, while Dickson is an able replacement, I think we lose a bit of our spark without Lallana.

[alpine_saint]

Thanks Weston,

 

Although bloody obvious it would be something like that but doesn't stop some looking for some random made up reason to knock the club.

 

Your smugness is even more irritating when we've won than when we've lost. Never thought it possible.

[Deppo]

No need for personal insults Alpy.

[Chez]

According to AP on the OS article, Lallana has been having trouble with this "all year"

 

Why oh why did he not go under the knife back after the Southend game ?

 

Very good point, seems strange that summer was not taken advantage of. Perhaps its not something that can be operated on?

[SparkySaint]

I think we have more than enough quality within our squad to manage without Lallana. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a top player and he bring a lot to the team but we do have other players with such qualities. I think we will get stronger and when we get him back it will feel like a new signing

[alpine_saint]

No need for personal insults Alpy.

 

Dont lecture me. Sarcasm is also against the site rules, and I dont regard pointing out to someone that they are being smug as being insulting.

[alpine_saint]

Very good point, seems strange that summer was not taken advantage of. Perhaps its not something that can be operated on?

 

Well its going to be operated on now.

[SparkySaint]

How old are you Alpine?

[Chez]

Well its going to be operated on now.

The other thing is that often doctors advise against operations and go for the rest option - which from experience does work. It clearly hasn't here. Such is life. A big loss and he showed his touch of class yesterday and as much as I like Dickson and his tireless running he doesn't quite have the guile. Other players will step up to the plate.

[Deppo]

Dont lecture me. Sarcasm is also against the site rules, and I dont regard pointing out to someone that they are being smug as being insulting.

 

Don't lecture me about lecturing you.

[alpine_saint]

The other thing is that often doctors advise against operations and go for the rest option - which from experience does work. It clearly hasn't here. Such is life. A big loss and he showed his touch of class yesterday and as much as I like Dickson and his tireless running he doesn't quite have the guile. Other players will step up to the plate.

 

2 years ago I fell whilst skiing, and injured my shoulder. The doctors couldnt find the problem with an MRI or x-ray. From the feeling and location, I think it was rotator cuff damage. It is only this summer that I have been pain-free, so yes it went away with rest, but I am a normal sedentary person, not a professional sportsman. Also I am worried about arthritis later in life.

 

Just saying, that rest might not do the trick for Adam. It might be they can find something now that it has broken down worse, but at what price ? Must admit the idea of giving injections to compete through injury sounds wrong.

[Deppo]

It's his knee that is injured, not his rotator cuff

[alpine_saint]

It's his knee that is injured, not his rotator cuff

 

Your point being ?

[derry]

Weston giving us the low down on AL is very refreshing and reassuring. His family taking the time to clarify things is also welcome and appreciated. I wish Adam the best of luck because we need him on the pitch.

It would be great - when possible and realistic - if the club could be a little more quicker to inform on such matters which would then lead to a reduction of harmful speculation or confusion.

I accept we have no God given rights anymore - it would just be nice that's all!

 

That was before the Plymouth game. We were surprised to see him play. It took four games to break down. But I wonder if the pain killing injections just masked it and eventually the pain came through. It would be much better for him if he hadn't had the injections and found that he couldn't play because of the pain, then had the exploratory op. I hope that the original undiagnosed injury hasn't been made worse through playing with injections.

[Deppo]

Your point being ?

 

No need for personal insults and abuse. I shall not reply to you when you behave like this.

[SaintBobby]

Is Lee Holmes still alive and on our books?

 

Does he perhaps play a more involved role until we get Lallana back? At least on the subs bench?

[S-Clarke]

Is Lee Holmes still alive and on our books?

 

Does he perhaps play a more involved role until we get Lallana back? At least on the subs bench?

 

You'll be surprised to hear this

 

but he's....injured, for a change.

[NickG]

2 years ago I fell whilst skiing, and injured my shoulder. The doctors couldnt find the problem with an MRI or x-ray. From the feeling and location, I think it was rotator cuff damage. It is only this summer that I have been pain-free, so yes it went away with rest, but I am a normal sedentary person, not a professional sportsman. Also I am worried about arthritis later in life.

 

Just saying, that rest might not do the trick for Adam. It might be they can find something now that it has broken down worse, but at what price ? Must admit the idea of giving injections to compete through injury sounds wrong.

 

Interesting little story that.

 

Guess they will continue to act on Drs advice.

[SaintBobby]

You'll be surprised to hear this

 

but he's....injured, for a change.

 

We really, really need another winger then.

[Deppo]

We really, really need another winger then.

 

We have alpine saint.

 

EDIT: Oh, 'winger'. My mistake.

[NickG]

Your smugness is even more irritating when we've won than when we've lost. Never thought it possible.

 

sorry if you took that personally and am offended by it, but perhaps you can learn from it.

[dubai_phil]

So just to get this right we are still of differing opinions as to the professional medical opinion passed by the specialist in London?

 

I feel it is important we get a resolution to this, as if it is shown that the forum knows better then it will save me a fortune as I need to get a problem sorted with my left knee.

 

I had an ACL problem & op 15 years ago and now it is locking up and causing inflation, meaning I cannot keep my leg bent when sitting at SMS. This clearly is Saints related as the people sitting behind me next week at the Rochdale game will have their enjoyment of the match spoilt as I have to stand up every 15 minutes or so.

 

I do have a doctor's note for the Stewards but want a second opinion from the experts on here

 

Thanks and be quick I have to pack

[alpine_saint]

So just to get this right we are still of differing opinions as to the professional medical opinion passed by the specialist in London?

 

I feel it is important we get a resolution to this, as if it is shown that the forum knows better then it will save me a fortune as I need to get a problem sorted with my left knee.

 

I had an ACL problem & op 15 years ago and now it is locking up and causing inflation, meaning I cannot keep my leg bent when sitting at SMS. This clearly is Saints related as the people sitting behind me next week at the Rochdale game will have their enjoyment of the match spoilt as I have to stand up every 15 minutes or so.

 

I do have a doctor's note for the Stewards but want a second opinion from the experts on here

 

Thanks and be quick I have to pack

 

I dont think anybody is really questioning the medical advice given to the club. I am just finding it surprising and counter-intuitive.

 

Do you think continuing playing via Cortisone injections sounds like a good idea ?

[Legod Third Coming]

On the other hand, hoping for an ailment of unknown origin to clear sounds somewhat unscientific in its approach....

 

Not always. My daughter (16 now) has had knee pain for five years, has seen three of the country's leading knee surgeons and has had three different diagnoses (Sinding Larsen Johansen's disease being the most interesting). Despite over £5 grand in MRI scans and various treatments and physio, no one knows why she's in pain. Knees in young people can just be painfull. Young footballlers often suffer from Osgood Shclatters and sometimes you just have to play on to see what happens. Surgey is always a last option. And even then it may not work.

[Deppo]

Not always. My daughter (16 now) has had knee pain for five years, has seen three of the country's leading knee surgeons and has had three different diagnoses (Sinding Larsen Johansen's disease being the most interesting). Despite over £5 grand in MRI scans and various treatments and physio, no one knows why she's in pain. Knees in young people can just be painfull. Young footballlers often suffer from Osgood Shclatters and sometimes you just have to play on to see what happens. Surgey is always a last option. And even then it may not work.

 

Sounds like a textbook case of Münchausen syndrome to me.

[St Marco]

You got to laugh. People even trying to use Adams unfortunate injury as a way to attack Pardew. Like he really wanted one of his key players to get injured....

[dubai_phil]

I dont think anybody is really questioning the medical advice given to the club. I am just finding it surprising and counter-intuitive.

 

Do you think continuing playing via Cortisone injections sounds like a good idea ?

 

If he needed Cortisone Injjections under Medical Supervision then I am not qualified to judge. I had to have a Cortizone injection to get me on a flight when I had ankle ligaments lock up (5 years after a skiing accident) I didn't want them, it didn't cure the problem long term but it got me on the flight and didn't make it any worse so Doctor knew best.

[NickG]

You got to laugh. People even trying to use Adams unfortunate injury as a way to attack Pardew. Like he really wanted one of his key players to get injured....

 

don't understand it at all.(why he does use it- not your post!)

[NickG]

so I have learnt that Pardew should ignore what players say and Doctors advise about injuries and look to the forum for someone who had a similar injury from skiing and they will be able to give you the best advice, I have also learnt that if you try really really hard you can turn every single bit of news to a reason to have a go at the club.

[St Marco]

so I have learnt that Pardew should ignore what players say and Doctors advise about injuries and look to the forum for someone who had a similar injury from skiing and they will be able to give you the best advice, I have also learnt that if you try really really hard you can turn every single bit of news to a reason to have a go at the club.

 

It is like Adrian said on the other thread, they are just covering their bases now. If he get's injured it is Pardew's fault, if he doesn't get injured it is Pardew's fault for taking risks with a player who supposedly had an injury problem a year ago but still managed 40+ games etc.. If he ignores the doctors advice and doesn't play him it's Pardews fault. He is damned if he does, and damned if he don't. They will only be happy when he is fired. Then when he is fired they will say they prefered the other candidate to the guy who takes over the new managers post. That gives them the position to keep on moaning. Thus is the cycle of the moaner.

[hypochondriac]

It is like Adrian said on the other thread, they are just covering their bases now. If he get's injured it is Pardew's fault, if he doesn't get injured it is Pardew's fault for taking risks with a player who supposedly had an injury problem a year ago but still managed 40+ games etc.. If he ignores the doctors advice and doesn't play him it's Pardews fault. He is damned if he does, and damned if he don't. They will only be happy when he is fired. Then when he is fired they will say they prefered the other candidate to the guy who takes over the new managers post. That gives them the position to keep on moaning. Thus is the cycle of the moaner.

 

They? Only one person doing it as far as I can see.

[alpine_saint]

You got to laugh. People even trying to use Adams unfortunate injury as a way to attack Pardew. Like he really wanted one of his key players to get injured....

 

Quote one post where I have even mentioned AP in relation to Lallana's injury.

 

Some of you really have issues with your reading abilities.

[derry]

I think the doctors advice was that he couldn't see anything wrong with it. The next step was to have a look so definitely 4 weeks out. Alternatively give it a go and see if it breaks down, if it does, out about 6 weeks. The pain killing injections to play weren't mentioned to Weston. The decision taken to give it a go was the correct one, however I have talked to a lot of old professionals who bitterly regret having injections over injuries so they could play. They are now paying the price with arthritic knees etc.

[dubai_phil]

Some of you really have issues with your reading abilities.

 

Yeah I agree, they didn't look too clever in the friendly at SMS think they'll struggle in nPC unless they work hard in training up at the Majedski

 

 

 

 

[jam]

If he needed Cortisone Injjections under Medical Supervision then I am not qualified to judge. I had to have a Cortizone injection to get me on a flight when I had ankle ligaments lock up (5 years after a skiing accident) I didn't want them, it didn't cure the problem long term but it got me on the flight and didn't make it any worse so Doctor knew best.

 

I think it's the repeated use of Cortisone injections that is thought to be dodgy. I guess it's the fact that there's something clearly wrong with the player but he's being injected with something to cover up the body's warning signs.

[dubai_phil]

I think it's the repeated use of Cortisone injections that is thought to be dodgy. I guess it's the fact that there's something clearly wrong with the player but he's being injected with something to cover up the body's warning signs.

 

Back in Mick Channon's days he talked when he retired and his knees went of playing on with pain killing injections and being totally unaware of the effect of them.

 

Today we know the impact of sustained Cortizone injections. When you have a footballer (today) who could eventually be worth up to something like 10 million pounds and you have clubs with (as posted elsewhere) entire teams of Sports Scientists AND medical specialists, then I don't think anyone is likely to do the old quick jab and get on with it trick. Too many Ambulance chaser lawyers around these days.

 

In my case having heard all the stories I was concerned but as the (Sports Injury) Specialist I had been referred to said it was fine and would get me on the plane I did it, it worked.

 

In AL's case it may simply have been one of those growing and settling down things or it may have been a strain.

 

Clearly with AL, RL, Hammond, MS & Puncheon all getting strains in pre-season we tried to do something more. Perhaps we should be calling for the sacking of our Physical Fitness coach Nick Harvey rather than AP as he obviously TRIED to push the players and we have so many who were not match fit at the start of the season.

 

But then the injuries and getting over them didn't fit the Band-Wagon, although FINALLY questions were asked about RL on Saturday. Therein lay our problems not in AP alone

[Whitey Grandad]

We do seem to suffer a lot with injuries, and have done for as long as I can remember. How do we compare with otther clubs? Maybe we just buy a load of old crocks.

[Red]

We really, really need another winger then.

 

Punchy on left, new lightening quick winger on right (Dickson, Oxo, Holmes - when fit - as back up) - simples :-)

Could Barney, DC also cover at RM?

[Appy]

You'll be surprised to hear this

 

but he's....injured, for a change.

 

I thought sarcasm was against the site rules?

[Saint Charlie]

From Saints Twitter he is going for a scan on Weds to assess the damage.

[Deppo]

Just a thought, but does anyone think that NC blamed AP for AL buggering his knee and hence the sacking?

[Wade Garrett]

I dont think anybody is really questioning the medical advice given to the club. I am just finding it surprising and counter-intuitive.

 

Do you think continuing playing via Cortisone injections sounds like a good idea ?

 

Ask Mick Channon.

[Andy_Porter]

Is Lee Holmes still alive and on our books?

 

Does he perhaps play a more involved role until we get Lallana back? At least on the subs bench?

 

Even if he was fit he would offer nothing. Rather have Jo Mills given an extended run there.

[Saint Without a Halo]

Just a thought, but does anyone think that NC blamed AP for AL buggering his knee and hence the sacking?

 

 

errrr a no from me!

[Weston Saint]

Lallana was not receiving Cortisone injections

[Deppo]

Lallana was not receiving Cortisone injections

 

So if Cortese wasn't injecting him, who was? Pardew? Could explain the sacking. Things are getting pretty murky down at SMS.

[alpine_saint]

So if Cortese wasn't injecting him, who was? Pardew? Could explain the sacking. Things are getting pretty murky down at SMS.

 

Maybe it was Michael Jackson's doctor(s)..

[paris]

Will you all leave Alp's alone as he's currently busy sharpening his knives for the next SFC manager......