EDL demo

[Jonnyboy]

I see the UAF overplayed their hand in Brighton this weekend.

 

W**kers.

 

Telling Nazis to feck off, what a bunch off ******s eh?

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

I certainly agree with this. British history is something we should be taught to be proud of. I am currently re-reading The Great Betrayal (Ian Smiths autobiography) and he talks about the British Empire "the greatest force for good the world has ever known. Britain, a small island off the coast of Europe, this mighty atom which had spread it's western christian civilisation over half the globe, introducing proper standards of freedom, of justice, and the basics of education, health and hygiene." Whatever your political persuasion I would recomend this autobiography as it is the work of a man who I consider to have been the greatest and wisest political leader of the 20th century.

 

lol if there is someone on this forum who need better education on politics it is you with your continual Tony Blair/new labour = socialist rubbish.

 

We shouldn't be taught that any event in history is "good" - surely we should be taught how to use different sources, analyse the cause and effect and then arrive at our own opinion which can be support with evidence.

[alpine_saint]

Telling Nazis to feck off, what a bunch off ******s eh?

 

Neo-Nazis have as much right to express their opinion, within the law, as anti-fascism groups do.

 

The fact that the UAF repeatedly set out to bring disorder and violence to the streets of the UK totally undermines the morality and respectability of their cause.

 

They are as bad as each other.

Edited 3 September, 2010 by alpine_saint

[dune]

Neo-Nazis have as much right to express their opinion, within the law, as anti-fascism groups do.

 

The fact that the UAF repeatedly set out to bring disorder and violence to the streets of the UK totally undermines the morality and respectability of their cause.

 

They are as bad as each other.

 

The Marxist UAF are far far worse than any rightwing group because these people have no principles other than trying to bully their views onto others. They are typical communists, devious creatures that try to paint themselves as the upholders of democracy, whilst simultaneously showing their true colours by marching alongside Islamic extremists and intimidating anyone that stands in their way. They will try to paint those opposed to their marxist fanaticism as fascists and Nazis, but there is nothing to pick and choose between the Marxist UAF and the 1940's Fascists because they both have the same underlying aim of a 1 party state and an intolerance of any other view. Zanu PF and UAF are brothers in arms, and neither care one jot about the people they claim to represent - all they care about is themselves and their thirst for domination and control.

Edited 3 September, 2010 by dune

[Jonnyboy]

The Marxist UAF are far far worse than any rightwing group because these people have no principles other than trying to bully their views onto others. They are typical communists, devious creatures that try to paint themselves as the upholders of democracy, whilst simultaneously showing their true colours by marching alongside Islamic extremists and intimidating anyone that stands in their way. They will try to paint those opposed to their marxist fanaticism as fascists and Nazis, but there is nothing to pick and choose between the Marxist UAF and the 1940's Fascists because they both have the same underlying aim of a 1 party state and an intolerance of any other view. Zanu PF and UAF are brothers in arms, and neither care one jot about the people they claim to represent - all they care about is themselves and their thirst for domination and control.

 

Wow, a lot of paranoia here

 

Its actually just some people who dont believe that racism is a good thing to be promoting on our streets

 

http://uaf.org.uk/

[Joensuu]

EDF - ultra right wing, ultra autharitarian, and throughly objectionable to anyone who cares about England. Aiming to introduce restrictive legislation to prevent indivduals enjoying the privacy of their own homes. Inheirently racist, homophobic, mysognist, in short, the EDF stand firmly against everything that makes England a proud fair democracy.

 

UAF - on average slightly left of centre, mixed membership from young to old. Some members have engaged in violent activity, but the vast majority are civil and rebuke these extreme elements. Aim is to stop the progression of racism and authoritarianism wherever it is encountered. Currently subject to an attempted discrediting but the EDF, who are using viral media to suggest that the whole UAF is engaged in violent activity, and not just the tiny minoity that are.

[dune]

Wow, a lot of paranoia here

 

Its actually just some people who dont believe that racism is a good thing to be promoting on our streets

 

http://uaf.org.uk/

 

I don't doubt that there is a sizeable number of uneducated UAF members that rally behind the "cause" without knowing exactly what they are rallying behind, but at the core of this organisation is Communism and a desire for a 1 party state. You are clearly one of those that doesn't understand this and that is sad because you are being hoodwinked by these people.

[dune]

EDF - ultra right wing, ultra autharitarian, and throughly objectionable to anyone who cares about England. Aiming to introduce restrictive legislation to prevent indivduals enjoying the privacy of their own homes. Inheirently racist, homophobic, mysognist, in short, the EDF stand firmly against everything that makes England a proud fair democracy.

 

UAF - on average slightly left of centre, mixed membership from young to old. Some members have engaged in violent activity, but the vast majority are civil and rebuke these extreme elements. Aim is to stop the progression of racism and authoritarianism wherever it is encountered. Currently subject to an attempted discrediting but the EDF, who are using viral media to suggest that the whole UAF is engaged in violent activity, and not just the tiny minoity that are.

 

And you seriously suggesting that the Marxist UAF are not racist, or intollerent of a given persons right to democracy?

 

I would suggest that you look at how many people have been murdered accross the globe for opposing the UAF/Marxist ideals and then you apologise for your ignorance.

[alpine_saint]

EDF - ultra right wing, ultra autharitarian, and throughly objectionable to anyone who cares about England. Aiming to introduce restrictive legislation to prevent indivduals enjoying the privacy of their own homes. Inheirently racist, homophobic, mysognist, in short, the EDF stand firmly against everything that makes England a proud fair democracy.

 

UAF - on average slightly left of centre, mixed membership from young to old. Some members have engaged in violent activity, but the vast majority are civil and rebuke these extreme elements. Aim is to stop the progression of racism and authoritarianism wherever it is encountered. Currently subject to an attempted discrediting but the EDF, who are using viral media to suggest that the whole UAF is engaged in violent activity, and not just the tiny minoity that are.

 

The EDF are a bunch of tw*ts. the UAF are a bunch of gullible tw*ts misguided by the biggest bunch of violent tw*ts of all.

[Joensuu]

And you seriously suggesting that the Marxist UAF are not racist, or intollerent of a given persons right to democracy?

 

I would suggest that you look at how many people have been murdered accross the globe for opposing the UAF/Marxist ideals and then you apologise for your ignorance.

 

Some members of the UAF are true Marxists, mosts are liberals and students or well meaning old dears who were hippies in their youth. Sure there are some nutjobs who have strange ideas tagging along - you can identify them easily as they cover their faces to avoid identification.

 

IMO, the world becomes a very scary place whenever authoritarians come to power, whether they are left or right wing authoritians. As such the entire EDF (and the more extreme minorities within the UAF) should be resisted.

 

I am well aware that extreme authoritarian government (whether left or right) cause countless deaths whenever they have come to power anywhere in the globe. This is why we need to rally together and oppose extremism wherever it occurs. The EDF (and the BNP) are entirely extremist and authoritarian, and need to be opposed one way or another. Ideally this should be by a centralist organisation of left and right, will all people united in objecting to the extremist EDF facism.

[Joensuu]

The EDF are a bunch of tw*ts. the UAF are a bunch of gullible tw*ts misguided by the biggest bunch of violent tw*ts of all.

 

That sounds close to the truth. Although I don't think the UAF leadership is militant, just that some of the UAF followers are (quite rightly) angered by facism, but (quite wrongly) let this spill over into violence on the streets.

[dune]

Some members of the UAF are true Marxists, mosts are liberals and students or well meaning old dears who were hippies in their youth. Sure there are some nutjobs who have strange ideas tagging along - you can identify them easily as they cover their faces to avoid identification.

 

IMO, the world becomes a very scary place whenever authoritarians come to power, whether they are left or right wing authoritians. As such the entire EDF (and the more extreme minorities within the UAF) should be resisted.

 

I am well aware that extreme authoritarian government (whether left or right) cause countless deaths whenever they have come to power anywhere in the globe. This is why we need to rally together and oppose extremism wherever it occurs. The EDF (and the BNP) are entirely extremist and authoritarian, and need to be opposed one way or another. Ideally this should be by a centralist organisation of left and right, will all people united in objecting to the extremist EDF facism.

 

I can't disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but UAF are a communist organisation at it's core. By joining their marches and supporting them you are supporting the ideals of a 1 party state and an intolerance to democracy. You cannot claim to support freedom and democracy and support UAF because it is hypocrisy in the extreme to do so.

[Nellie]

My first thought was serves the yanks right and see how they like terrorist attacks, and then I saw people jumping and swiftly changed my view. The reason for my initial view was because for decades Americans financed the IRA and lefties such as the Kennedys were well in with the Irish republican cause. Successive US governments did nothing to stop the IRA funding, so 9/11 did do Britain a lot of good because it brought terrorism to their shores and supporting the IRA stopped being so fashionable.

 

I would suggest that you look at how many people have been murdered accross the globe for opposing the UAF/Marxist ideals and then you apologise for your ignorance.

The only person who should be apologising for ignorance, is you. The most devastating terrorist attack to date, and you say your initial reaction was "it serves them right". Are you ten years old? The average person's initial reaction was shock at what was happening, but it was a good day for Dune as it meant that America would get a taste of what, very few, of them had financially supported.

 

Actually, the more I think about it, it's not ignorance on your behalf. It just underlines what sort of person you really are.

[Joensuu]

I can't disagree with a lot of what you are saying, but UAF are a communist organisation at it's core. By joining their marches and supporting them you are supporting the ideals of a 1 party state and an intolerance to democracy. You cannot claim to support freedom and democracy and support UAF because it is hypocrisy in the extreme to do so.

 

I disagree that the UAF are a communist organisation. They aim to not be affiated with any part of the polical spectrum: how else have they managed to get the support of both trade unionists, and David Cameron? The entire intention of the UAF is to oppose facism, which is something every rational person in the UK should support, whether they are Thatcherite or best mates with Bob Crowe.

[dune]

I disagree that the UAF are a communist organisation. They aim to not be affiated with any part of the polical spectrum: how else have they managed to get the support of both trade unionists, and David Cameron? The entire intention of the UAF is to oppose facism, which is something every rational person in the UK should support, whether they are Thatcherite or best mates with Bob Crowe.

 

Well Cameron has shown himself to be a fool by jumping on this bandwagon, just like harold MacMillan was a fool for being hoodwinked by the communist OAU within the Commonwealth.

[Joensuu]

Well Cameron has shown himself to be a fool by jumping on this bandwagon, just like harold MacMillan was a fool for being hoodwinked by the communist OAU within the Commonwealth.

 

Were all these other MP's hookwinked by the 'commies' in disguise too? http://uaf.org.uk/about/founding-signatories/

[dune]

The only person who should be apologising for ignorance, is you. The most devastating terrorist attack to date, and you say your initial reaction was "it serves them right". Are you ten years old? The average person's initial reaction was shock at what was happening, but it was a good day for Dune as it meant that America would get a taste of what, very few, of them had financially supported.

 

Actually, the more I think about it, it's not ignorance on your behalf. It just underlines what sort of person you really are.

 

It is a fact that prior to 9/11 supporting the IRA financially was a completely acceptable thing to do in the USA, but since 9/11 the funds have dried up. In this respect 9/11 was beneficial to the UK in our fight against republicanism in Northern Ireland.

[dune]

Were all these other MP's hookwinked by the 'commies' in disguise too? http://uaf.org.uk/about/founding-signatories/

 

With the exeption of a few Conservatives who have signed up for political gain, the list by and large is made up of Socialists, communists, and islamists.

[Joensuu]

With the exeption of a few Conservatives who have signed up for political gain, the list by and large is made up of Socialists, communists, and islamists.

 

You're not suggesting that many Tories harbour some amount of sympathy for facism are you?

[solentstars]

i see the far right dreamers are out in force,the sort of people who would be sticking up for hitlers brownshirts and mosely blackshirts during the war and blaming anti facists really makes me laugh.

what a strange world these people live in.

its the usual suspects with their predictable replys .

[solentstars]

With the exeption of a few Conservatives who have signed up for political gain, the list by and large is made up of Socialists, communists, and islamists.

 

ha ha i love your jokes,oh my god you really believe it:o

[dune]

You're not suggesting that many Tories harbour some amount of sympathy for facism are you?

 

Not at all, but that many will rightly oppose communism in all it's guises. And UAF is a communist organisation.

 

I notice that UAF are organising a demo in support of Martin Smith who is charged with assaulting a police officer http://uaf.org.uk/2010/08/support-uaf-officer-in-court-after-bbc-demo-against-griffin/

 

If he is found guilty do you think they will accept the verdict?

[dune]

i see the far right dreamers are out in force,the sort of people who would be sticking up for hitlers brownshirts and mosely blackshirts during the war and blaming anti facists really makes me laugh.

what a strange world these people live in.

its the usual suspects with their predictable replys .

 

How many people have been murdered for opposing the communist ideals of UAF? How many millions of people would you estimate?

[Joensuu]

Not at all, but that many will rightly oppose communism in all it's guises. And UAF is a communist organisation.

Still wrong... So in your eyes why did Teddy 'bring back the birch' Taylor sign up to the UAF? Is it because:

1) He's a commie in disguise (and spent his entire career hiding it)

2) For some 'political gain' (don't forget, this is one of Thatcher's cabinet, with career behind him... what gain is there to be made.)

3) He was tricked into it (is Sir Teddy a bit dim?)

4) Because he truely opposes facism?

 

What about the well known socialist commie Reverend Smyth? You know, the ultra leftie, err, Ulster Unionist.

 

I notice that UAF are organising a demo in support of Martin Smith who is charged with assaulting a police officer http://uaf.org.uk/2010/08/support-uaf-officer-in-court-after-bbc-demo-against-griffin/

 

If he is found guilty do you think they will accept the verdict?

 

I have no idea. I don't know anything about this case. I assume that future opposition to the vedict (perhaps an appeal) might depend upon whether he commited the crime. A diverting, but somewhat strange tangent.

[Joensuu]

How many people have been murdered for opposing the communist ideals of UAF? How many millions of people would you estimate?

 

You're confusing two different questions here:

 

1) How many people have been murdered for opposing the UAF? (Answer = 0)

2) How many people have been murdered for opposing Communism (Answer = nobody knows, but it runs into the tens of millions).

 

The crux of your argument is that the UAF are communist. As they patantly aren't, your argument falls very flat. Perhaps a better question to ask might be 'How many people have been murdered for opposing authoritainism whether left or right wing (Answer = nobody knows, but it runs into the tens of millions)' - as this would also throw facism into the repressive and objectionable mix.

Edited 3 September, 2010 by Joensuu

[solentstars]

Still wrong... So in your eyes why did Teddy 'bring back the birch' Taylor sign up to the UAF? Is it because:

1) He's a commie in disguise (and spent his entire career hiding it)

2) For some 'political gain' (don't forget, this is one of Thatcher's cabinet, with career behind him... what gain is there to be made.)

3) He was tricked into it (is Sir Teddy a bit dim?)

4) Because he truely opposes facism?

 

What about the well known socialist commie Reverend Smyth? You know, the ultra leftie, err, Ulster Unionist.

 

 

 

I have no idea. I don't know anything about this case. I assume that future opposition to the vedict (perhaps an appeal) might depend upon whether he commited the crime. A diverting, but somewhat strange tangent.

 

your wasteing your time ,he hates them and the clue is in the title of what they are fighting against ie unite against facism

[Joensuu]

your wasteing your time ,he hates them and the clue is in the title of what they are fighting against ie unite against facism

 

I know, he hates anything that whiffs of state control. I hate anything that whiffs of authoritarian. But wouldn't it be refreshing if one day one of these threads came to a conclusion. Lets say Stanley has been backed into a corner, has an epiphany and turns round and admits that 'you know, I think I might have been misled'. Never going to happen unfortunately.

[Deppo]

The EDL are gay.

 

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The Marxist UAF are far far worse than any rightwing group because these people have no principles other than trying to bully their views onto others. They are typical communists, devious creatures that try to paint themselves as the upholders of democracy, whilst simultaneously showing their true colours by marching alongside Islamic extremists and intimidating anyone that stands in their way. They will try to paint those opposed to their marxist fanaticism as fascists and Nazis, but there is nothing to pick and choose between the Marxist UAF and the 1940's Fascists because they both have the same underlying aim of a 1 party state and an intolerance of any other view. Zanu PF and UAF are brothers in arms, and neither care one jot about the people they claim to represent - all they care about is themselves and their thirst for domination and control.

 

What about the Jews as well Dune? Surely they're part of this global conspiracy too?!

[anothersaintinsouthsea]

Deppo, that's funny as, cheers.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Stanley Dun©e making himself look a thick **** as usual i see.

[TopGun]

The EDF are a bunch of tw*ts.

 

I'm definitely changing my electricity supplier now!