Bristol Rovers (0) V (4) Saints,Post match wooting..

[skintsaint]

i think the forward ball has to be intentional for it to be offside

 

I think my missus knows more about the offside rule than you

[Robsk II]

Nutshell.

[MK Saint]

Great result and performance. I especially thought Dickson did well 2nd half, much better than the previous time I saw him play against Plymouth.

[Junction 9]

I think it's great that Saints won this match.

[Chez]

Great result and performance. I especially thought Dickson did well 2nd half, much better than the previous time I saw him play against Plymouth.

 

played equally well in both games IMO, but Plymouth had a pacey and powerful fullback that negated his excellent dribbles, Rovers didn't. I think he is a cracking player, if he had just that little bit more pace he'd...not be playing in this league. Great signing if you ask me.

Edited 29 August, 2010 by Chez

[derry]

Total crap. We weren't competitive against Bolton? Or Bournemouth, who we beat? Or the first half of the Plymouth game? It's ridiculous to perpetuate this myth of us being absolute shi te for the first 4 games. We weren't, we just didn't win. If one of our many chances had been converted in those games, we would have been talking about narrow wins with the bulk of possession and pressure. We would currently have 9 points and you miserable bastards would be sat patiently waiting for a loss to start *****ing and whining.

 

It would help if you could read. The post was about the low key pre season followed by four competitive games which has now got us going. The pressure we created was real, the so called clear chances were few and far between. There were a lot of blocked shots by a massed defence but we didn't overload any of the defences decisively to create clear chances.

[Saints foreva]

Is this the end of 'South Coast Team'?

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3116082/League-One-round-up.html

 

Promotion favourites SOUTHAMPTON picked up their first win of the campaign in style, 4-0 at BRISTOL ROVERS. Jose Fonte (10) and Adam Lallana (34) had Saints in control before Ricky Lambert's 59th-minute penalty against his former team wrapped up the win. Lee Barnard completed the scoring in the last minute.

[Rory]

Is this the end of 'South Coast Team'?

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3116082/League-One-round-up.html

 

I don't think it applies when we're playing away from home. The Daily Echo have pictures from the game.

[Toomer]

Perfect weekend Saints win away and the Skates get beat at home.

[SaintBobby]

Where are the whingers btw?

 

Have Alpine saint and the other loons failed even post a "wow...what a brilliant result...that's utterly fantastic" sort of comment?

 

If not, why not?

[CanadaSaint]

Where are the whingers btw?

 

Have Alpine saint and the other loons failed even post a "wow...what a brilliant result...that's utterly fantastic" sort of comment?

 

If not, why not?

 

I think you and a few other people on here need to grow up.

 

This is a discussion forum FFS, and some people have reservations which they have articulated with supporting arguments. That doesn't stop us from being really pleased with yesterday's win, and it doesn't mean we're right or wrong. It sure as hell doesn't mean that we want Saints to fail or Pardew to be fired - far from it. All it means is that we have concerns and reservations based on personal opinions.

 

This kind of infantile sniping says a lot more about the snipers - especially when all they have to offer are not rational arguments in response to the concerns but sneering and juvenile insults involving terms such as "loons" and "mongs".

[SaintBobby]

I think you and a few other people on here need to grow up.

 

This is a discussion forum FFS, and some people have reservations which they have articulated with supporting arguments. That doesn't stop us from being really pleased with yesterday's win, and it doesn't mean we're right or wrong. It sure as hell doesn't mean that we want Saints to fail or Pardew to be fired - far from it. All it means is that we have concerns and reservations based on personal opinions.

 

This kind of infantile sniping says a lot more about the snipers - especially when all they have to offer are not rational arguments in response to the concerns but sneering and juvenile insults involving terms such as "loons" and "mongs".

 

Laughable response (Im assuming its a spoof?)

 

Lots or people have a range of reservations about the club. Check out some of my posts on the media policy, for example.

 

What is surprising is that those who seem to have reservations or complaints about nearly everything seem to nearly disappear from view when Saints score an impressive victory.

 

Why is that?

 

Why arent any of the usual suspects posting, positive comemnts on a thread about a 4-0 away win FFS.

 

They can't find anything positive to say even about a handsome victory. That's bewildering. Especially as many of them do seem to have the time to post endlessly on negative threads.

 

I'm afraid it can give the impression that such people aren't genuine Saints fans, even if this impression is actually inacurrate.

[Deppo]

The people with 'reservations' about Saints:

 

alpine saint (Austria)

Tijuana Tim (USA (yes - really! I know, he rarely mentions it))

CanadaSaint (Canada)

 

Is there a pattern here?

[Toomer]

Where are the whingers btw?

 

Have Alpine saint and the other loons failed even post a "wow...what a brilliant result...that's utterly fantastic" sort of comment?

 

If not, why not?

 

Alpine & Co are entitled to their opinions although 95% of the time I don't agree with them, but lets just enjoy the moment.

[alpine_saint]

I think you and a few other people on here need to grow up.

 

This is a discussion forum FFS, and some people have reservations which they have articulated with supporting arguments. That doesn't stop us from being really pleased with yesterday's win, and it doesn't mean we're right or wrong. It sure as hell doesn't mean that we want Saints to fail or Pardew to be fired - far from it. All it means is that we have concerns and reservations based on personal opinions.

 

This kind of infantile sniping says a lot more about the snipers - especially when all they have to offer are not rational arguments in response to the concerns but sneering and juvenile insults involving terms such as "loons" and "mongs".

 

Indeed. Good post.

 

I was on here delivering my praise about yesterdays result well before Mr. Saint "Hard-Core Ueber Fan, who has the right to judge who is a real fan or not" Bobby

 

Some people seem to want this site to be only about delivering banal platitudes, saying how great everything is when it isnt necessarily, and posting WOOTs and COYRs

Edited 29 August, 2010 by alpine_saint

[suewhistle]

No

 

Suewhistle (Italy)

[alpine_saint]

The people with 'reservations' about Saints:

 

alpine saint (Austria)

Tijuana Tim (USA (yes - really! I know, he rarely mentions it))

CanadaSaint (Canada)

 

Is there a pattern here?

 

If we are going down the puerile naming route, how about Derry (UK), SaintRichmond (UK), to name but two ???

Edited 29 August, 2010 by alpine_saint

[Deppo]

No

 

Suewhistle (Italy)

 

This post is about as negative as it gets. Join the list.

[Deppo]

how about Derry (UK), SaintRichmond (UK), to name but two ???

 

Derry is in Ireland. SaintRichmond lives in Belgium.

[SaintBobby]

Alpine & Co are entitled to their opinions although 95% of the time I don't agree with them, but lets just enjoy the moment.

 

I dont think anyone thinks otherwise on the entitlement of posters to hold - and voice - an opinion.

 

But it's also reasonable for others to ask why the opinions seem to be relentlessly negative. And no positive thoughts are voiced even in the face of very positive news.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine & Co are entitled to their opinions although 95% of the time I don't agree with them, but lets just enjoy the moment.

 

Bizarre thing is, I was enjoying it at 16:50 your time yesterday too until I saw the ridiculous reaction and points-scoring on here today

[alpine_saint]

But it's also reasonable for others to ask why the opinions seem to be relentlessly negative. And no positive thoughts are voiced even in the face of very positive news.

 

Well thats just plain b*ll*cks.

 

Did you bother finding my post before starting this ?

[Deppo]

Bizarre thing is, I was enjoying it at 16:50 your time yesterday too until I saw the ridiculous reaction and points-scoring on here today

 

Surely it's "point-scoring", not "points-scoring"?

[mcjwills]

I don't think it applies when we're playing away from home. The Daily Echo have pictures from the game.

 

Therefore I'll look forward to all the pictures from the game in Mondays Sun goal section

[CanadaSaint]

Laughable response (Im assuming its a spoof?)

 

Lots or people have a range of reservations about the club. Check out some of my posts on the media policy, for example.

 

What is surprising is that those who seem to have reservations or complaints about nearly everything seem to nearly disappear from view when Saints score an impressive victory.

 

Why is that?

 

Why arent any of the usual suspects posting, positive comemnts on a thread about a 4-0 away win FFS.

 

They can't find anything positive to say even about a handsome victory. That's bewildering. Especially as many of them do seem to have the time to post endlessly on negative threads.

 

I'm afraid it can give the impression that such people aren't genuine Saints fans, even if this impression is actually inacurrate.

 

I think you just proved my point and destroyed your own.

 

What I accused you of doing was posting sneering comments and personal insults (calling people "loons") without offering a counter argument to the concerns and reservations. In your response you didn't offer any counter argument to their concerns but you DID manage to sneer again - with the "laughable response" comment.

 

Furthermore, your entire point was that the "whingers" (your term, of course) don't come back here with praise after a good result. That, too, is incorrect. A number of the people who have expressed concerns about set-up or tactics HAVE posted on here - Alpine, derry, Weston and Fitzhugh, I think - saying it was a great result.

 

And who gets to say what constitutes a "genuine Saints fan"? Blind allegiance is every bit as unproductive as constant negativity.

[Deppo]

I think you just proved my point and destroyed your own.

 

What I accused you of doing was posting sneering comments and personal insults (calling people "loons") without offering a counter argument to the concerns and reservations. In your response you didn't offer any counter argument to their concerns but you DID manage to sneer again - with the "laughable response" comment.

 

Furthermore, your entire point was that the "whingers" (your term, of course) don't come back here with praise after a good result. That, too, is incorrect. A number of the people who have expressed concerns about set-up or tactics HAVE posted on here - Alpine, derry, Weston and Fitzhugh, I think - saying it was a great result.

 

And who gets to say what constitutes a "genuine Saints fan"? Blind allegiance is every bit as unproductive as constant negativity.

 

I think you just destroyed your own point and proved SaintBobby's with this post.

[Wes Tender]

Is this the end of 'South Coast Team'?

 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3116082/League-One-round-up.html

 

Well, they couldn't keep it up all season, otherwise they would look even more ridiculous over their childish and churlish little campaign. Besides, some advertising guru has probably told them that their campaign has made them look silly, whilst simulataneously giving us great free publicity, so they have terminated the campaign to spite us. Either that, or the Sun journos got bored with it all, as we have.

[CanadaSaint]

The people with 'reservations' about Saints:

 

alpine saint (Austria)

Tijuana Tim (USA (yes - really! I know, he rarely mentions it))

CanadaSaint (Canada)

 

Is there a pattern here?

 

Yes, the pattern is that you and your ilk misrepresent things to suit your own case, and then - because you don't seem able to make a counter argument - resort to sneers and insults.

 

In order to deliver a cheap little ex-pat jibe, you deliberately exclude from your list a number of people who attend games, understand football very well, have good connections, and are able to post considered views without resorting to nastiness.

 

Funnily enough, geographic location has nothing to do with the ability - or the right - to form an opinion on these things. I couldn't count the times I've watched games at The Dell and SMS and been astounded at the diversity (and sometimes the sheer stupidity) of some of the comments I've heard from people who are supposedly watching the same game. It's even evident on here - check out the current views on Puncheon, for example.

 

As I said earlier, some people on this forum really need to grow up.

[Deppo]

In order to deliver a cheap little ex-pat jibe, you deliberately exclude from your list a number of people who attend games, understand football very well, have good connections, and are able to post considered views without resorting to nastiness.

 

Are you saying that you, TT and alpine don't understand football very well and are unable to post considered views without resorting to nastiness? I am sorry. You are the bigger man. It takes balls to admit to this. I feel ashamed. Ashamed and worthless. Ashamed, worthless and alone.

 

alpine and TT take note, you have a good friend in CanadaSaint. I wish I had a friend that was able to speak for me so honestly. Actually, I just wish I had a friend.

[CanadaSaint]

Derry is in Ireland. SaintRichmond lives in Belgium.

 

Actually, derry lives in Totton and he has high-level coaching badges, but why let facts mess up your ‘case’?

 

I think you just destroyed your own point and proved SaintBobby's with this post.

 

Again (in light of the following post), why let facts mess up your ‘case’?

 

Ok, guilty as charged.

 

I scream at people for starting pointless threads. And maybe this is another one.

 

I'd really like to see this site move back to being a properly discursive and respectful exchange of views amongst Saints fans.

 

I think we have a problem with a few personalities dominating. I'm not one of them. Don't have either the time or strength of personality. I'm a D-lister at best.

 

What drives me mad though is the bunkerised attitudes of, say, half a dozen or so individuals. Actually - one by one - I'm sure they are all well meaning and very decent folk and want the best for Saints and Saints fans.

 

But this forum is in danger of becoming a personality clash zone between a handful of individuals. That risks destroying the forum's pledge of being "The number one independent Southampton FC website".

 

My own pledge from hereonin is to:

 

1. Try and focus on football - or closely related football affairs.

2. Try and take each post at face value - not to ascribe motive to the poster

3. Try not to flippantly post in rage or to make a name for myself by doing so

4. To take a very long hard look at myself is I'm posting more than 20-25 times a week

 

I've definitely broken all these rules in the past. I'm going to try not to do so again. I would hate to see this forum collapse in on itself. I love Southampton FC and this is easily the best site for celebrating (practising?) that on a daily basis. My genuine thanks to all those - steve, baj et al - who run it. But I do think there's a real danger that the many good things that this site brings are being overshadowed by our collective inability to behave like mature adults at all times.

 

Anyone agree?

 

Deppo, your last post shows how much you’re struggling to display a little maturity, so I can understand why you're missing my original point.

[NickG]

what was this about again?

[Deppo]

Actually, derry lives in Totton and he has high-level coaching badges, but why let facts mess up your ‘case’?

 

 

 

Again (in light of the following post), why let facts mess up your ‘case’?

 

 

 

Deppo, your last post shows how much you’re struggling to display a little maturity, so I can understand why you're missing my original point.

 

Yes, you are right. I've let myself down. Worse than that, I've let you down.

[Deppo]

what was this about again?

 

My 'case'.

[NickG]

jimmy?

[CanadaSaint]

Yes, you are right. I've let myself down. Worse than that, I've let you down.

 

Okay, then, but you still need to spend some time on the naughty step.

[Deppo]

I will try to show maturity in future. I do have some pubes. I can show you?

[SaintBobby]

Well thats just plain b*ll*cks.

 

Did you bother finding my post before starting this ?

 

No. I sometimes fear you act in a way that seeks to gain attention, so I'm not going to count up all your posts if thats okay.

 

I think my point stands though - although perhaps its better to say "very, very few" positive thoughts rather than none.

 

Certainly, the overwhelming balance of your posts is negative.

[Pecho Lobo]

Err, sorry to interrupt but wasn't this thread supposed to be about the Bristol Rovers game?

As ever, the opinions of those actually present (as I was) are the ones that should be of interest to fellow fans to get an individual opinion on the performance.

The preceding posts of what certain posters think of each other are tedium exemplified and I would wager, of no interest at all to anyone other than those either baiting or responding.

 

As for the game, an excellent performance by Saints who simply outclassed Rovers. Lambert is clearly not match fit but even so I thought his quality was evident in his speed of thought in mostly looking to lay it off first time, having thought about the incoming pass before it reached him. His touch was rusty though.

Fonte was immense, the point in the second half when he hooked clear an incoming high, spiralling ball (when running back at pace and under pressure towards his own goal) standing out for me.

Some of the passing and moving was a joy to watch, and at times that was all Rovers could do, watch it as they often couldn't get near us.

I've seen all three League games so far, and as others have probably pointed out, on chances created, we could have had four in each game. The team are not playing badly. If we continue to play as we did against Rovers then this will indeed be an enjoyable season for those who go to the games themselves.

[SaintBobby]

Err, sorry to interrupt but wasn't this thread supposed to be about the Bristol Rovers game?

As ever, the opinions of those actually present (as I was) are the ones that should be of interest to fellow fans to get an individual opinion on the performance.

The preceding posts of what certain posters think of each other are tedium exemplified and I would wager, of no interest at all to anyone other than those either baiting or responding.

 

As for the game, an excellent performance by Saints who simply outclassed Rovers. Lambert is clearly not match fit but even so I thought his quality was evident in his speed of thought in mostly looking to lay it off first time, having thought about the incoming pass before it reached him. His touch was rusty though.

Fonte was immense, the point in the second half when he hooked clear an incoming high, spiralling ball (when running back at pace and under pressure towards his own goal) standing out for me.

Some of the passing and moving was a joy to watch, and at times that was all Rovers could do, watch it as they often couldn't get near us.

I've seen all three League games so far, and as others have probably pointed out, on chances created, we could have had four in each game. The team are not playing badly. If we continue to play as we did against Rovers then this will indeed be an enjoyable season for those who go to the games themselves.

 

Yeah, agree with much of this. Although I still say we were not at all good against Plymouth and Orient (whatever Claridge thinks).

 

I suppose I was just saying what a shame it is that there are a handful of posters on here who seem to enjoy the negatives much more than the positives. Their loss, really.

[CanadaSaint]

Err, sorry to interrupt but wasn't this thread supposed to be about the Bristol Rovers game?

As ever, the opinions of those actually present (as I was) are the ones that should be of interest to fellow fans to get an individual opinion on the performance.

The preceding posts of what certain posters think of each other are tedium exemplified and I would wager, of no interest at all to anyone other than those either baiting or responding.

 

As for the game, an excellent performance by Saints who simply outclassed Rovers. Lambert is clearly not match fit but even so I thought his quality was evident in his speed of thought in mostly looking to lay it off first time, having thought about the incoming pass before it reached him. His touch was rusty though.

Fonte was immense, the point in the second half when he hooked clear an incoming high, spiralling ball (when running back at pace and under pressure towards his own goal) standing out for me.

Some of the passing and moving was a joy to watch, and at times that was all Rovers could do, watch it as they often couldn't get near us.

I've seen all three League games so far, and as others have probably pointed out, on chances created, we could have had four in each game. The team are not playing badly. If we continue to play as we did against Rovers then this will indeed be an enjoyable season for those who go to the games themselves.

 

Fair comment on the skirmishing.

 

What I'd be very interested in hearing are some assessments of Aaron Martin, because if he "comes good" it could transform our season - and beyond, and also enable Fonte to really shine.

[Cascadia Saint]

It would help if you could read. The post was about the low key pre season followed by four competitive games which has now got us going. The pressure we created was real, the so called clear chances were few and far between. There were a lot of blocked shots by a massed defence but we didn't overload any of the defences decisively to create clear chances.

 

I can read. You said 'now we are finally competitive', which led me to believe you were suggesting we weren't previously. I read the words now, and finally. Then I read the word competitive.

[alpine_saint]

No. I sometimes fear you act in a way that seeks to gain attention, so I'm not going to count up all your posts if thats okay.

 

I think my point stands though - although perhaps its better to say "very, very few" positive thoughts rather than none.

 

Certainly, the overwhelming balance of your posts is negative.

 

I accept your apology.

[Saint Billy]

Has anyone who was there got any info about Gully, did he look good in the short spell he was on?

[Chez]

Fair comment on the skirmishing.

 

What I'd be very interested in hearing are some assessments of Aaron Martin, because if he "comes good" it could transform our season - and beyond, and also enable Fonte to really shine.

 

There were one or two occasions when the ball went up in the air and he didn't think twice, he just called it and made it his. That kind of positive action is excellent. He looks like he feels he deserves to be in the side. That confidence is perfect. I liked also that he picked out Hammomnd and Lambert a couple of times with low passes that got us moving quickly into attack. He's certainly not cultured though and a couple of slices showed that. But he showed some composure. I hope we see more of that. He's not quick. There was only one real test of his pace by Kaffor. He kept in touch, just, but then Kaffor megged him, he fell over but just got the slide tackle in. You can read that in two ways. Either he shouldn't get megged and worrying that better strikers might cause him real problems, or it was well done for showing real desire and doing enough to stop him. Another thing that concerned me was the long punts from their keeper seemed to cause us problems. It was windy so perhaps that didn't help, but centre backs should never get done like that ever. That hasn't happened since Jaidi was here. Fonte has to accept some responsibility yesterday and I guess they did just enough. There will be better opposition though. Finally we struggled to defend corners. This is a team thing, but with Jaidi we hardly ever conceded from corners. I'm not sure that last part is a criticism of Martin, but I want to see him dominating set plays like Jaidi has been doing. I am very encouraged, but we'll have to see how he does against the better oponents. If he keeps Sheff Wed quiet then we have the real deal here. I just wish he was just a little quicker. Moon on a stick.

Edited 29 August, 2010 by Chez

[sfc4prem]

Fair comment on the skirmishing.

 

What I'd be very interested in hearing are some assessments of Aaron Martin, because if he "comes good" it could transform our season - and beyond, and also enable Fonte to really shine.

 

Aaron won everything in the air and looked to pass forward to the midfield rather than lobbing it up to Lambert. Made a few mistakes where he got caught wrong side of their strikers, but rectified all of them with solid challenges. Didn't muck about with the ball when there were no options to pass to and he was under pressure, he headed or kicked it out. Made so many good challenges and he showed decent pace on a few ocassions getting to through balls ahead of Kuffour. Very vocal too and seemed to be developing an understanding with Fonte.

 

Looks a very, very good prospect at his age.

[Chez]

Has anyone who was there got any info about Gully, did he look good in the short spell he was on?

 

I give it a go at the end if post 151 on page 4.

[Raging Bull]

Has anyone who was there got any info about Gully, did he look good in the short spell he was on?

careful, your getting a little carried away there talking about football on this forum and not *****ing like a c**t!!!

[CanadaSaint]

Thanks for the feedback, guys. Sounds promising.

[jam]

There were one or two occasions when the ball went up in the air and he didn't think twice, he just called it and made it his. That kind of positive action is excellent. He looks like he feels he deserves to be in the side. That confidence is perfect. I liked also that he picked out Hammomnd and Lambert a couple of times with low passes that got us moving quickly into attack. He's certainly not cultured though and a couple of slices showed that. But he showed some composure. I hope we see more of that. He's not quick. There was only one real test of his pace by Kaffor. He kept in touch, just, but then Kaffor megged him, he fell over but just got the slide tackle in. You can read that in two ways. Either he shouldn't get megged and worrying that better strikers might cause him real problems, or it was well done for showing real desire and doing enough to stop him. Another thing that concerned me was the long punts from their keeper seemed to cause us problems. It was windy so perhaps that didn't help, but centre backs should never get done like that ever. That hasn't happened since Jaidi was here. Fonte has to accept some responsibility yesterday and I guess they did just enough. There will be better opposition though. Finally we struggled to defend corners. This is a team thing, but with Jaidi we hardly ever conceded from corners. I'm not sure that last part is a criticism of Martin, but I want to see him dominating set plays like Jaidi has been doing. I am very encouraged, but we'll have to see how he does against the better oponents. If he keeps Sheff Wed quiet then we have the real deal here. I just wish he was just a little quicker. Moon on a stick.

 

Aaron won everything in the air and looked to pass forward to the midfield rather than lobbing it up to Lambert. Made a few mistakes where he got caught wrong side of their strikers, but rectified all of them with solid challenges. Didn't muck about with the ball when there were no options to pass to and he was under pressure, he headed or kicked it out. Made so many good challenges and he showed decent pace on a few ocassions getting to through balls ahead of Kuffour. Very vocal too and seemed to be developing an understanding with Fonte.

 

Looks a very, very good prospect at his age.

 

Hopefully we'll see the same improvement with Martin as we did with Antonio last season.

[Saint Billy]

I give it a go at the end if post 151 on page 4.

 

Cheers for that!