Hesitant To Post This, But Me I'm Out Of Patience

[RonManager]

So you've run out of patience.

 

What is your next move?

[Norm]

****[/b]yhale;820789]Do you even go to the game cun*

 

 

Quality post but I hate to correct it, you forgot to use a comma after the word game.

[doddisalegend]

So you've run out of patience.

 

What is your next move?

 

post on here;)

[Norm]

I would suggest that had we played 3 won 3 in the league by now, he wouldn't have played such a strong lineup, but he was trying to get them some momentum going.

 

I am loathe to make excuses for the team, but am trying to ease my frustration by remembering that 4 of our best players (Lallana, Lambert, Puncheon, Schneiderlin) picked up injuries in pre season and at least 3 of them are yet to get back to speed IMO. We know Lallana is playing through a knee problem, Lambert looks clearly off the pace, and Puncheon has lacked his usual dynamism. I am happy to believe for now that this is due to those injuries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair summary, in my view.

[Bucks Saint]

If we lose to BR i suspect AP will be in real trouble. I believe NC is looking for an excuse to act and 1 point after 3 and out of a cup could be just that.

Iam frustrated that we have not strengthened as much as I had hoped and still believe we are weaker than we were at the end of last season.

I also will add that i had voiced my concerns that the fans expectations could be the worst monkey on our backs this season.

Getting rid of a manager is not always the best way to get results long term and am a bit tired of the merry go round, but we do need someone to grab the nettle and get us up. Eddie Howe will be a top manager and I would think he would do well in the constraints of L1. he certainly is a good judge at plucking an unknown

 

You believe NC is looking for an excuse to act. Really, based on what evidence?

 

Eddie Howe is a good judge at plucking an unknown, I agree. But he has to choose unknowns, we dont, so what makes you think that Eddie Howe could attract better players / retain the current players better than AP?

[yorkiesaint]

what about Liverpool or Everton? i doubt their fans are on their managers back, although im sure there are some.

I am not 100% sure of AP but im not going to make an opinion losing by 1 goal in a non win competition against a team 2 divisions above us, who have a very good manager

 

The point is that we are hoping/expecting a chelsea-like season by league 1 standards, not one like like liverpool or everton

[St Marco]

Did people really expect us to beat a premiership team then? I was there last night and we were unlucky. If barnard had taken one of his chances on saturday and connolly took his last night you would not be posting that. The manager can't be blamed for players not taking their chances.

What ****es me off on here is people who don't go to the games are our most critical. There is no way to satisfy them because they don't see how it is. Sure we have not had the greatest starts but were only a few games in ffs. You don't see Liverpool fans or dare i say it Portsmouth fans complaining about there starts, they get behind their clubs regardless, some of you need to learn to do that rather then *****ing and over reacting all the time.

[Alejam]

It's still AUGUST.

 

I agree with most people that we need to strengthen the team before the window closes.

But the panic and hysteria by some on here i just find unbelievable.

 

I'm confident we will finish in the top 2, but expect some ups and downs along the way.

 

Enjoy the ride:D

 

COYS

[SaintRichmond]

Completely agree with the original post....i like Pards but this laid back approach by Pards to the start of the season and lack of transfer activity have really hurt us.

Yet again we are chasing our tail, we could not even win for Markus...Pards has been in charge for a year and it seems like we have really fallen away again from last season. Where are the goals coming from?? what if Ricky gets injured??? and transfers for me has been particularly dissapointing.

I know sometimes its difficuilt to get players at the right price blah blah but come on...signing 2 right backs and a left back....not exactly setting the world on fire.

We had 2 months to get players in and didn't...other teams in this division strengthened and we didn't, now yet again we are chasing players after a poor start.

Come on Saints sort it out...i may be unpopoular for saying this but i am not sure giving Connelly another deal was a good idea, surely a younger injury free striker was a better idea and what is Pulis and Wotton still doing here??? if anything happens to Morgan/ Hammond we are up the creak, plus there is no competiiton for places.

Sloppy management and planning thus far, not amused....excuses have got to stop

 

Oh for the likes of Paine and Sydenham WINGERS

 

Pardew doesn't even know what they are

 

Since Ramsey ditched them in 1966, and England luckily won the World Cup, no Manager has used wingers

 

BUT, the most destructive move STILL is the winger going to the Goal line and Floating the ball BACK into the penalty area

 

The most difficult ball for a centre half to deal with, Successful ?? Just ask Ron Davies

 

Watching Pardew's Team now is worse than watching any Rugby fifteen, the ball is up in the air all the time

 

Go back to playing FOOTBALL Pardew, because at present, you have NO tactics whatsoever

[Dr Who?]

I have said it on many other threads, and I will say it again, as long as we are creating chances I am happy (for now). If we are not creating chances then I would be worried. OK it can only go on for so long, but two games is no time to be panicking. I think an away game is what is needed, just to take a little bit of the pressure off that is created by home games. As soon as we start scoring you will wonder what all the fuss was about. I have no doubt that we will go up, as we have the best set of players in this league. Up the Saints!

[moonraker]

Saints have always frustrated at the start of a season, it is something I find inexplicable it is a saint’s thing, whatever manager and team we have. It does test ones patience, we all want success, I left SMS on Saturday feeling very dejected, however after a couple of days of reflection I could acknowledge that we were the much better team and should have won. 2 league games is not enough to judge, no knee jerk reactions it very rarely gets you anywhere, remind me what was Norwich’s score on the opening day of last season.

[ART]

We were good last night, the goals will come!

 

Was that your Strachan or Burley immitation Mr M?

[LostBoys]

Standing ovation last night tells a different story from your view. Having worked for three years in New York before the days of internet and relying on reduced faxed copies of the Football Echo report each week, I understand your polarised view - every loss is a disaster - but this is not reality. We will win the league as we have cut through every team this season but have not made the best final pass and score. Not the end of the world.

[saint michael]

Isn't our start to the season exactly the same as last year's? I guess we would expect more because the team has been together, because there is no -10, because we had a preseason etc. etc. so therefore feel disappointed more. Without starting on the -10 and with being named favourites will bring extra pressure which will effect the team.

 

I do think that we have a slightly weaker squad this year (so far) and haven't really the benefit of a strong bench and unless we change this we shouldn't imagine that we will suddenly not have moments during the season like this again.

 

so the question for me is... how good are the bunch that we have and if we don't get more in, can we / should we, really be expecting to get there if we get the injuries during the season we are bound to get??

[exile on main street]

wow.

 

a post from someone who remembers the days of paine, sydenham, chivers et al, and yet seems to be caught up in the unrealistic expectation of instant success that blights much of modern society, both within and without football.

 

at the plymouth game, i was sat in front of a lad who spent almost the entire game moaning about the team and effing and jeffing about how useless they were. towards the end of the game he was kicking the back of my chair and booing, yes booing the team. this was, of course, the first game of the season.

 

expectations are abnormally high this season, and it increasingly seems to be the case that some supporters think we should be winning every game, and they subsequently chuck their toys at the wall when this doesn't happen.

 

if you are running out of patience, what exactly are you going to do? take over as manager? probably not. stick by the team and support them throughout a season during which they will inevitably win, lose and draw some games? this might be your best option.

 

we're lucky to have a ****ing club right now. meditate on that and stop being so unreasonable.

[The Kraken]

Oh for the likes of Paine and Sydenham WINGERS

 

Pardew doesn't even know what they are

 

Since Ramsey ditched them in 1966, and England luckily won the World Cup, no Manager has used wingers

 

BUT, the most destructive move STILL is the winger going to the Goal line and Floating the ball BACK into the penalty area

 

The most difficult ball for a centre half to deal with, Successful ?? Just ask Ron Davies

 

Watching Pardew's Team now is worse than watching any Rugby fifteen, the ball is up in the air all the time

 

Go back to playing FOOTBALL Pardew, because at present, you have NO tactics whatsoever

 

In your longing for the past you clearly haven't noticed that the modern game is evolving away from wingers who get to the byeline, in favour of players who can cut in and influence play infield with marauding full backs providing more width.

 

Look at Man City from just this Monday night; left footed Adam Johnson playing on the right and right footed James Milner playing on the left.

 

Roy Hodgson is one of the game's most progressive coaches, and last year had left footed Damian Duff playing on the right and right footed Simon Davies on the left.

 

There's countless other examples; Rosicky at Arsenal; Joe Cole previously at Chelsea; Ashley Young at Villa to name just 3. There are still some teams of course that have traditional type wingers (Spurs with Lennon for instance) but it's becoming much more commonplace than you would obviously care to admit that having the out and out traditional winger who gets to the byeline and stands one up for the tall centre forward is becoming a thing of the past.

[SaintRichmond]

wow.

 

a post from someone who remembers the days of paine, sydenham, chivers et al, and yet seems to be caught up in the unrealistic expectation of instant success that blights much of modern society, both within and without football.

 

at the plymouth game, i was sat in front of a lad who spent almost the entire game moaning about the team and effing and jeffing about how useless they were. towards the end of the game he was kicking the back of my chair and booing, yes booing the team. this was, of course, the first game of the season.

 

expectations are abnormally high this season, and it increasingly seems to be the case that some supporters think we should be winning every game, and they subsequently chuck their toys at the wall when this doesn't happen.

 

if you are running out of patience, what exactly are you going to do? take over as manager? probably not. stick by the team and support them throughout a season during which they will inevitably win, lose and draw some games? this might be your best option.

 

we're lucky to have a ****ing club right now. meditate on that and stop being so unreasonable.

 

That's right, you just keep on about how lucky we are to still have a Club, that bit has come as a real surprise to me

 

Why don't YOU step back and really assess things on the pitch for what they really are ??

 

We played bettr FOOTBALL under Poortvleit, with little success because we had no "heavy" guns to score goals

 

We now have "heavy" guns tghat CAN score, yet all Pardew is capable of telling the Team is to hoof it up into the opponents penalty area , where there are at least four big six footers to head tha ball away

 

Yes I do remember Paine and Sydenham, and I would suggest that if you do not, then look up Saints scoring records when they were in the Saints Team, by using the very same tactic as I described in my earlier post

 

IMHO, we are nowhere near as good as those teams were, yet we are in the same Division, the THIRD teer of UK Football

 

Expectations are high this season ?? Well, at the moment the Team are not up to scratch, and it is pitiful to say that we are only Two/Three League matches into the season....... SO ARE EVERY OTHER TEAM

 

Excuse time over IMHO

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Dear Mr exile on main St - How long is it reasonable to let the "we are lucky to have a club" argument prevail over sensible criticism of the way the team is playing under the current manager?

 

Please let me know so I can then re-enter the debate.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Did he really say this ? I am gobsmacked. This really does sound like Groundhog Day, with AP focusing on the cups and NC on the League...

 

Maybe he was saying that they treated it as an important game because the first team have a lot of areas to work on and this game was an ideal opportunity to address this rather than play a load of reserves/youngsters? I guess I'm glass half full and you're glass half empty?

[alpine_saint]

Maybe he was saying that they treated it as an important game because the first team have a lot of areas to work on and this game was an ideal opportunity to address this rather than play a load of reserves/youngsters? I guess I'm glass half full and you're glass half empty?

 

Pity he p*ssed pre-season up against a wall then, isnt it ?

[The Kraken]

Dear Mr exile on main St - How long is it reasonable to let the "we are lucky to have a club" argument prevail over sensible criticism of the way the team is playing under the current manager?

 

Please let me know so I can then re-enter the debate.

 

I'm thoroughly tired of this cliche already; it's no longer relevant in any way. No excuses this season, we're underperforming (last night aside, which is eminently forgivable considering the opposition) and need to improve, quickly.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I am willing to give 6 league games. If we haven't won 3 of those next 4, then I will start to worry and start to criticise. But until then I'm going to keep the faith.

[kpturner]

Did he really say this ? I am gobsmacked. This really does sound like Groundhog Day, with AP focusing on the cups and NC on the League...

He was simply saying that we gave it our best shot. Nothing more. If you pick him up on every little thing he says then you will have a field day because it is often contradictory or grammatically incorrect.....you just need to understand the point he is trying to make even if he isn't putting it across very well.

[jamesfp1]

This thread wouldnt exist if Barnard hadn't hit the woodwork twice on staurday, we've played well and been unlucky, big deal. Cant see anyone has done anything wrong. ITS AUGUST. F*CK.

[kpturner]

This thread wouldnt exist if Barnard hadn't hit the woodwork twice on staurday, we've played well and been unlucky, big deal. Cant see anyone has done anything wrong. ITS AUGUST. F*CK.

Apparently, according to one frequest poster, if you spend x million quid then luck should not play any part in it

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

He was simply saying that we gave it our best shot. Nothing more. If you pick him up on every little thing he says then you will have a field day because it is often contradictory or grammatically incorrect.....you just need to understand the point he is trying to make even if he isn't putting it across very well.

 

Like when Pardew said 'he absolutely raped him there' on MOTD. He didn't actually mean he'd pulled his shorts down, held him on the floor and battered him from behind in front of 40,000 bystanders.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Apparently, according to one frequest poster, if you spend x million quid then luck should not play any part in it

 

I think that was the amount of money we needed to spend as our team was THAT bad. I think that put is in a position to compete.

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Pity he p*ssed pre-season up against a wall then, isnt it ?

 

What?

 

I don't understand. We've had Lallana coming back from injury and it showed in his first game - much better now though. Lambert and Puncheon are only just getting fitness back too; plus some others. . 3+ of our key players not firing on all cylinders so good idea to get everyone playing together and last night was an ideal chance to do that. How you can extrapolate this to meaning Pardew only craes about the cups is beyond me.

[kpturner]

Like when Pardew said 'he absolutely raped him there' on MOTD. He didn't actually mean he'd pulled his shorts down, held him on the floor and battered him from behind in front of 40,000 bystanders.

Precisely ....at least I assume so - I didn't see the incident to which he referred so I can't be sure!

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Precisely ....at least I assume so - I didn't see the incident to which he referred so I can't be sure!

 

Well yeah. There was no vaseline on the pitch, that's fo'sure.

[del boy]

You're crazy and premature

[SnailOB]

You're crazy and premature

 

Didnt release my wife posted on here

 

Stop f*ckin around on the computer love and get my dinner ready for 6 !!

[Bucks Saint]

I'm thoroughly tired of this cliche already; it's no longer relevant in any way. No excuses this season, we're underperforming (last night aside, which is eminently forgivable considering the opposition) and need to improve, quickly.

 

We need to improve quickly from last night? You might have said: we were underperforming, but last night was much better and we were unlucky. Keep going like that and we will be fine.

 

I am off to cut my wrists

[Barry the Badger]

yet all Pardew is capable of telling the Team is to hoof it up into the opponents penalty area

 

This quote alone demonstrates to me that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid.

 

Admittedly in the two home league games so far, we have become a bit desperate and relied on the hoof a bit too much as the game has progressed. But to suggest that it is all Pardew is capable of telling the team is completely ridiculous. We have played some great football on the deck, just not got the finishing touch in the box yet.

[SnailOB]

This quote alone demonstrates to me that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid.

 

Admittedly in the two home league games so far, we have become a bit desperate and relied on the hoof a bit too much as the game has progressed. But to suggest that it is all Pardew is capable of telling the team is completely ridiculous. We have played some great football on the deck, just not got the finishing touch in the box yet.

 

Thats how i see it as well. problem seems to be that we do not turn all the early chances into goals. Team then gets desperate. That was seen particularly in first 30mins of both Plymouth and Orient games where we outplayed but didn't breakaway from them. In the Orient game we could have been 4 up in 6 minutes. I remember saying to my mate that we were going to hammer Orient as we were all over them 'playing good attractive / creative football'.

 

To say that AP is creating a 'hoof-it' style of play is way off the mark

[The Kraken]

This quote alone demonstrates to me that you have no idea what you're talking about, I'm afraid.

 

Admittedly in the two home league games so far, we have become a bit desperate and relied on the hoof a bit too much as the game has progressed. But to suggest that it is all Pardew is capable of telling the team is completely ridiculous. We have played some great football on the deck, just not got the finishing touch in the box yet.

 

He also tells Pardew he has no tactics and instead should revert to a style of football made famous in the 1950s and 60s, which probably tells you where his level of tactical thinking is at.

[up and away]

Originally Posted by alpine_saint

Did he really say this ? I am gobsmacked. This really does sound like Groundhog Day, with AP focusing on the cups and NC on the League...

He was simply saying that we gave it our best shot. Nothing more. If you pick him up on every little thing he says then you will have a field day because it is often contradictory or grammatically incorrect.....you just need to understand the point he is trying to make even if he isn't putting it across very well.

 

That just does not wash. Pardew stated before hand he was putting out a strong side against Bolton, based upon the win giving the team confidence. Based upon the selection, there was no concerted attempt to favour the team for the Bristol Rovers game, so nothing is out of place from that statement.

Only 3 important players were given the luxury of only playing 3/4 hour, which is not going to be conducive to any player still carrying an injury. If you were wanting to gain fitness, 30 minutes is more than enough for a mid week game of no significance. I remember how well Connolly was going along with

just his second half appearances and we all knew how fragile he was. Well that was soon master planned out of the team and onto the treatment table when started from the beginning.

 

It is really of no significance if we beat Bristol Rovers, but it will be inspected in detail if we don't beat them. Have not, or ever will be going to any cup games this side of Christmas, but when I hear Schneiderlin putting himself about, I struggle to remember games where he has carried that through to the weekend.

[kpturner]

That just does not wash. Pardew stated before hand he was putting out a strong side against Bolton, based upon the win giving the team confidence. Based upon the selection, there was no concerted attempt to favour the team for the Bristol Rovers game, so nothing is out of place from that statement.

Only 3 important players were given the luxury of only playing 3/4 hour, which is not going to be conducive to any player still carrying an injury. If you were wanting to gain fitness, 30 minutes is more than enough for a mid week game of no significance. I remember how well Connolly was going along with

just his second half appearances and we all knew how fragile he was. Well that was soon master planned out of the team and onto the treatment table when started from the beginning.

 

It is really of no significance if we beat Bristol Rovers, but it will be inspected in detail if we don't beat them. Have not, or ever will be going to any cup games this side of Christmas, but when I hear Schneiderlin putting himself about, I struggle to remember games where he has carried that through to the weekend.

Sorry - but I am not sure which bit "does not wash"......nor am I quite sure what point or points you are trying to make and what relevance they have to Pardews comments after the match.

[St Marco]

I tell you what is interesting, looking at the stats of our last two games. Against Bolton we had 14 chances compared to their 4. 8 corners compared to their two. Against Orient we had 17 shots compared to their 5. 6 corners to their 5. What does that tell us? It tells us in the last two games we had 31 shots.....compared to 9 against us. Had 14 corners to their 7.

 

As i said before if anyone thinks it is the managers fault that we only scored one of our 31 shots in the past 2 games then they are a mong, simple as that.

[sfc6mufc3]

Completely agree with the original post....i like Pards but this laid back approach by Pards to the start of the season and lack of transfer activity have really hurt us.

Yet again we are chasing our tail, we could not even win for Markus...Pards has been in charge for a year and it seems like we have really fallen away again from last season. Where are the goals coming from?? what if Ricky gets injured??? and transfers for me has been particularly dissapointing.

I know sometimes its difficuilt to get players at the right price blah blah but come on...signing 2 right backs and a left back....not exactly setting the world on fire.

We had 2 months to get players in and didn't...other teams in this division strengthened and we didn't, now yet again we are chasing players after a poor start.

Come on Saints sort it out...i may be unpopoular for saying this but i am not sure giving Connelly another deal was a good idea, surely a younger injury free striker was a better idea and what is Pulis and Wotton still doing here??? if anything happens to Morgan/ Hammond we are up the creak, plus there is no competiiton for places.

Sloppy management and planning thus far, not amused....excuses have got to stop

 

 

This guy has summed it up for me. All the points are what I said a few days ago. As the OP says, we shouldn't be below some of these teams, like Rochdale. It's a joke that some of the teams in the prem get lower crowds than we do, how Blackppol, Wigan, Burnley etc reached there and we are now 2 divs away from that lofty position. I accepted it last year because of the points deduction, new manager and adjusting to life in the div but what are we gonna say come May if we haven't gone up??????????????????

[RonManager]

I tell you what is interesting, looking at the stats of our last two games. Against Bolton we had 14 chances compared to their 4. 8 corners compared to their two. Against Orient we had 17 shots compared to their 5. 6 corners to their 5. What does that tell us? It tells us in the last two games we had 31 shots.....compared to 9 against us. Had 14 corners to their 7.

 

As i said before if anyone thinks it is the managers fault that we only scored one of our 31 shots in the past 2 games then they are a mong, simple as that.

 

 

 

http://www.bolton.vitalfootball.co.uk/stats.asp?a=210722

[MarkSFC]

As much I get the sentiment of the OP....chill out man...it's f****** August and we have ONLY played TWO league games. Sure, we should have won them both but we didnt.

 

If we had won them both I assume that in your world that would guarentee promotion?!!

 

Yes the team could ply better and maybe Pards should have made one or two substitutions earlier...BUT he hasnt got the options at the moment really.

 

And yes, I am bemused that he is perepared to"wait" for the right players this long but if thats his strategy and thats the way the market is then so be it.

 

For me having watched Saints since 1977, the first thing that matters is winning....and then the way we do it. That is the only way to be successful, just look at Aresenal over the last 5 years....fantastic football to watch....have on nothing!!!

 

And going back to the OP...two major things happened in the late 80's and early 90's that suddenly put saints at an even bigger disadvantage than previously....All-seater stadiums, and The Premier League/Sky.

 

Then all our money was completely mis-managed in the "naughties" and we are where we are!!

 

We WILL come good again....just watch the season unfold!!

[alpine_saint]

I tell you what is interesting, looking at the stats of our last two games. Against Bolton we had 14 chances compared to their 4. 8 corners compared to their two. Against Orient we had 17 shots compared to their 5. 6 corners to their 5. What does that tell us? It tells us in the last two games we had 31 shots.....compared to 9 against us. Had 14 corners to their 7.

 

As i said before if anyone thinks it is the managers fault that we only scored one of our 31 shots in the past 2 games then they are a mong, simple as that.

 

Yet we drew and lost.

 

Dont really see the point you are trying to make, except to be abusive.

[alpine_saint]

As much I get the sentiment of the OP....chill out man...it's f****** August and we have ONLY played TWO league games. Sure, we should have won them both but we didnt.

 

If we had won them both I assume that in your world that would guarentee promotion?!!

 

Yes the team could ply better and maybe Pards should have made one or two substitutions earlier...BUT he hasnt got the options at the moment really.

 

And yes, I am bemused that he is perepared to"wait" for the right players this long but if thats his strategy and thats the way the market is then so be it.

 

For me having watched Saints since 1977, the first thing that matters is winning....and then the way we do it. That is the only way to be successful, just look at Aresenal over the last 5 years....fantastic football to watch....have on nothing!!!

 

And going back to the OP...two major things happened in the late 80's and early 90's that suddenly put saints at an even bigger disadvantage than previously....All-seater stadiums, and The Premier League/Sky.

 

Then all our money was completely mis-managed in the "naughties" and we are where we are!!

 

We WILL come good again....just watch the season unfold!!

 

We've waited 2 months and secured the services of............. a loan who the manager describes as "risky" for 5 months. I thought the season lasted 9 months.

 

And no excuses is no excuses. We had pre-season to cut our teeth and decided not to make the most of it. So I dont buy this only 2 games baloney (actually, its been 4, 10+ if you count pre-season since the team hasnt changed very much over the summer as pre-season unfolded..)

[St Marco]

Yet we drew and lost.

 

Dont really see the point you are trying to make, except to be abusive.

 

The point is what can a manager actually do once they have kicked off? He can't run on the pitch and score a goal himself can he? The players he picks are on the pitch to carry out what he has asked of them. As the stats proove the players have created 31 chances in two games. I haven't looked at other teams numbers i imagine very few teams will have that number against a premiership team. If those players scored just 1% of their chances this thread would not exist. What more can a manager do but to create chances? How can he make the players take them? He can't. Your talking like we have lost five games on the bounce and are playing rubbish. That is not true at all. People are totally making stuff up to go along with their agendas. Two games in and people are already looking to grind their axe. I would not care if what they say was true but it isn't, like in the other thread Hypo says we played 4-4-2 in the 2nd half. We actually played 3-5-2 for a vast amount of it but i couldn't be arsed to correct him.

So i stand by what i said. If anyone thinks it is a managers fault players don't take their chances then they are mongs.

[doddisalegend]

This guy has summed it up for me. All the points are what I said a few days ago. As the OP says, we shouldn't be below some of these teams, like Rochdale. It's a joke that some of the teams in the prem get lower crowds than we do, how Blackppol, Wigan, Burnley etc reached there and we are now 2 divs away from that lofty position. I accepted it last year because of the points deduction, new manager and adjusting to life in the div but what are we gonna say come May if we haven't gone up??????????????????

 

You do know if we go up we still won't be in the EPL? You don't have a choice but to accept it this year or any other unless your going to stop supporting saints. Far to many fans seem to worry about other teams being in the EPL or above us I support saints what happens at Burnely is irrelevant to me. Blackpool are there on merit so are Wigan. One day we may get back there on merit ourselves in the mean time maybe would should just support the team rather than worrying about stuff that is out of our hands. Regardless of what happens this season I'll still be back at st Mary's next season.

[alpine_saint]

The point is what can a manager actually do once they have kicked off? He can't run on the pitch and score a goal himself can he? The players he picks are on the pitch to carry out what he has asked of them. As the stats proove the players have created 31 chances in two games. I haven't looked at other teams numbers i imagine very few teams will have that number against a premiership team. If those players scored just 1% of their chances this thread would not exist. What more can a manager do but to create chances? How can he make the players take them? He can't. Your talking like we have lost five games on the bounce and are playing rubbish. That is not true at all. People are totally making stuff up to go along with their agendas. Two games in and people are already looking to grind their axe. I would not care if what they say was true but it isn't, like in the other thread Hypo says we played 4-4-2 in the 2nd half. We actually played 3-5-2 for a vast amount of it but i couldn't be arsed to correct him.

So i stand by what i said. If anyone thinks it is a managers fault players don't take their chances then they are mongs.

 

He could use his substitutions properly

He could change his tactics

He could change the team for the next game

[SnailOB]

We've waited 2 months and secured the services of............. a loan who the manager describes as "risky" for 5 months. I thought the season lasted 9 months.

 

And no excuses is no excuses. We had pre-season to cut our teeth and decided not to make the most of it. So I dont buy this only 2 games baloney (actually, its been 4, 10+ if you count pre-season since the team hasnt changed very much over the summer as pre-season unfolded..)

 

And if we were playing badly and not creating chances i would agree with you. But we are creating chances and i still believe that the team we have is good enough to beat anyone in this division. We would all like one or two more players but even without them we are still good enough (also just to be pedantic, we also signed Dickson, Richardson & Butterfield)

 

Agree we have been very slow in transfer market but then we spent bloody big in January. Would also agree that pre-season seemed to be a bit of a waste but lallana, puncheon and lambert were not able to take much part and they are 3 of our main players.

[MarkSFC]

We've waited 2 months and secured the services of............. a loan who the manager describes as "risky" for 5 months. I thought the season lasted 9 months.

 

And no excuses is no excuses. We had pre-season to cut our teeth and decided not to make the most of it. So I dont buy this only 2 games baloney (actually, its been 4, 10+ if you count pre-season since the team hasnt changed very much over the summer as pre-season unfolded..)

 

Typical Alpine...read what suits you. I agree with you BUT it is only two games. Correct me if I wrong but we can still win 141 points.....that might just win us the league

[alpine_saint]

Typical Alpine...read what suits you. I agree with you BUT it is only two games. Correct me if I wrong but we can still win 141 points.....that might just win us the league

 

Plymouth

Bournemouth

Orient

Bolton

 

Looks like 4 games to me. And AP sees it that way with his "winning mentality" mantra too.