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Pardew alluded to exactly this in his last press conf.

 

''we don't want players looking for their last pay day, they have to be motivated to win for us''

 

makes me think we looked at Butt, then said no thanks.

 

Or....

 

We looked at Butt and then decided to put out a statement about players looking for their last pay day to make Butt think we were no longer interested in him, in the anticipation that he then comes back to us with a revised valuation of his worth....

 

Or....

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Although not a big fan of the gingers, this would be an amazing signing. I just don't see it though. He played really well last season and has featured this season as well for man U. I reckon if he hadn't retired from international football he'd still be in the England team. Still, fair play to Pardew if he can attract him to our club. 20k a week for one of the most gifted midfielders this country has produced is a bargain IMHO.

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Although not a big fan of the gingers, this would be an amazing signing. I just don't see it though. He played really well last season and has featured this season as well for man U. I reckon if he hadn't retired from international football he'd still be in the England team. Still, fair play to Pardew if he can attract him to our club. 20k a week for one of the most gifted midfielders this country has produced is a bargain IMHO.

 

I agree, it would be a massive coup for Saints.

 

I'm sure he said he wanted to see out the rest of his career at Man utd and be a one club career player. Stranger things have happened though.

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I'm so conflicted on this one.

 

I still have a bias to what are now called "marquee signings" (I don't know why they are called this...do we erect a tent when they arrive?). I remember wanting us to sign Rene Haguita, that mental Columbian goalie. Partly cos he was quite good, but mainly cos he was great fun.

 

I don't think we should sign Nicky Butt for a totally hypothetical £80,000 a month, however:

 

1. If this was on a one season deal, it's a salary of 8 1/2 months from September to mid-May. That's £680K. Or as a weekly wage about £13k.

2. If it doesn't work out at all, we lose £680K. That's annoying, but not a complete catastrophe. If it's the difference between promotion and non-promotion, it's well worth it.

3. By comparison, signing - say- Brian Stock at a transfer fee of £1.2m and on a salary of £8K a week on a three year deal involves an outlay of up to £2.5m. I'd prefer to do this, but it might be 4 times as expensive as signing Butt.

4. Butt is 35 - turns 36 in January. That's not too old to turn in a good run of games in League One.

 

I still lean against because:

 

1. He doesn't obviously fill a slot we desperately need. If our defensive midfielders were Pulis and Wotton, I'd be very keen. But he's not obviously miles better than Schneiderlin or Hammond.

2. The main thing we lack in the team at the moment is pace. If we gamble £700K on pace, fair enough. One thing Butt clearly ain't is pacey.

3. There may be prima donna problems (would he want to be captain and would Rickie et al resent him being a higher earner?)

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I wanted to put his name forward a few weeks back but thought better of it. Couldn't be ar$ed with being shot down. Now it's out in the open, I think he would be just the ticket. He kept himself fit and he is only recently retired. There's still life in him, got to be worth 10K per week.

 

Trouble is, I can't see him moving South. Not sure he even moved wholesale to Newcastle tbh.

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I'm so conflicted on this one.

 

I still have a bias to what are now called "marquee signings" (I don't know why they are called this...do we erect a tent when they arrive?). I remember wanting us to sign Rene Haguita, that mental Columbian goalie. Partly cos he was quite good, but mainly cos he was great fun.

 

I don't think we should sign Nicky Butt for a totally hypothetical £80,000 a month, however:

 

1. If this was on a one season deal, it's a salary of 8 1/2 months from September to mid-May. That's £680K. Or as a weekly wage about £13k.

2. If it doesn't work out at all, we lose £680K. That's annoying, but not a complete catastrophe. If it's the difference between promotion and non-promotion, it's well worth it.

3. By comparison, signing - say- Brian Stock at a transfer fee of £1.2m and on a salary of £8K a week on a three year deal involves an outlay of up to £2.5m. I'd prefer to do this, but it might be 4 times as expensive as signing Butt.

4. Butt is 35 - turns 36 in January. That's not too old to turn in a good run of games in League One.

 

I still lean against because:

 

1. He doesn't obviously fill a slot we desperately need. If our defensive midfielders were Pulis and Wotton, I'd be very keen. But he's not obviously miles better than Schneiderlin or Hammond.

2. The main thing we lack in the team at the moment is pace. If we gamble £700K on pace, fair enough. One thing Butt clearly ain't is pacey.

3. There may be prima donna problems (would he want to be captain and would Rickie et al resent him being a higher earner?)

 

I like your reasoning....a "relatively" cheap purchase even on highish wages.

 

Another benefit is he may help Schneiderlin in his development and any youngsters we have in the academy. We don't have a seen it, done it, bought hte t-shirt player that can pass on his experience.

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Although not a big fan of the gingers, this would be an amazing signing. I just don't see it though. He played really well last season and has featured this season as well for man U. I reckon if he hadn't retired from international football he'd still be in the England team. Still, fair play to Pardew if he can attract him to our club. 20k a week for one of the most gifted midfielders this country has produced is a bargain IMHO.

 

I think I agree tbh. It does seem like an awful lot of money, which I have reservations about, but at the end of the day he was still doing it for Man U in the Champions League last year and has already scored in the Prem this season, so could probably still make it into our first team. Or at worst provide good backup / competition for Guly or Hammond.

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What we need to consider is how does that "cost" stack up against the increased "revenue" that playing in the Championship would attract? £20k per week is obviously a lot of money in this league when looked at in isolation but as part of a bigger-picture business plan it would look more sensible if it got us to a point whereby promotion was (almost) guaranteed.

 

It would come under the category of "Gamble". I'm not sure that Cortese is a gambler (even though he is a banker)

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Although not a big fan of the gingers, this would be an amazing signing. I just don't see it though. He played really well last season and has featured this season as well for man U. I reckon if he hadn't retired from international football he'd still be in the England team. Still, fair play to Pardew if he can attract him to our club. 20k a week for one of the most gifted midfielders this country has produced is a bargain IMHO.

 

...and we shouldn't forget a "ginger" by the name of Alan Ball who came at a similar stage of his career and made a pretty big impact on this club.

 

IF Butt signed for us it would be a very big signing at this level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Early 2000s under Glenn Hoddle. The greatest Saints team of all time managed by the greatest football manager that ever lived.

 

deluded fool....

 

I'd suggest CB's comment was a big tongue-in-cheek moment at the original poster.

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On the plus side he's always been a model pro and I'd be confident that if he did come here he'd honestly give it his all, esp as we are looking to get promoted.

 

Also he would be very good at this level, the legs might not be what they once were but he was never quick anyway. However his footballing brain would be a darn site better than the average lge 1 player.

 

On the negative side, £20k p.w would be disruptive and is ridiculous for a player that is not going to feature any more than 1 season for us. How would Rickie feel if we parachuted a 35/36 year old on twice his wages? Not too chuffed i'd expect.

 

If he could accept a deal based on appearances which would pay no more than Rickie then maybe he'd be a good piece of short term business but if it turns out to be a no-go I won't be too disappointed.

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For every Peter Reid and Andre Kanchelskis there is an Alan Ball or Jimmy Case; if Butt is focussed and fit he will be the latter. Butt has won virtually every honour in the game apart from the World Cup and thus has the profile and ability to inspire the youngsters and organise the senior players. Could be just what we need...

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The money being suggested on here is a little over the top, but If his attitude was right & he brought his drive & desire to our midfield. Then his age doesn't come into it for me, and he would be an excellent signing for Saints. The questions here are for me

1) Did he want to/ Does he want to come here & help the club achieve its dream/plan?

2) Would he have come here if the wages were right?

If it was 1-then I'd have him in a flash, because he would come with something to prove, & be I think a great leader on the pitch. wages can be sorted out with bonuses etc. Providing the player believes & wants what AP & NC are telling him.

If it is/was 2-then absolutely NO we don't need players like that here anymore. 2 seems to fit the bill to what AP was alluding to in his interview about signings.

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Normally I'd sceptical and a fast winger/forward is first priority but actually, if Butt is keen and the deal was right, I'd say yes. He'd be a great mentor for Morgan and the side badly lacks leadership, Hammond really has been Captain Cr@p during the end of last season and start of this. Butt would have issued some right rollockings on Saturday and got us through a difficult game with 3 points. The question mark would be geography - he's very much a lad of the North West. Having said that, if a coaching role was offered after this season, that might give him and his family security as we are well-run outfit these days.

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How would Rickie feel if we parachuted a 35/36 year old on twice his wages? Not too chuffed i'd expect.

 

And therein lies a fundamental flaw with the human species - jealously.

 

In my line of work (computers) I have no such qualms about parachuting in a 'highly paid guru' to fill a certain role on a given project. To me, people should be professional and understand that for the benefit of the team it is sometimes necessary to do this with a degree of "unfairness" as far as wages are concerned.

 

It's a natural human trait to compare pay with colleagues but my philosophy on life is that I should be happy with what I'm being paid for the job I'm doing - it doesn't bother me if someone else has negotiated a different pay level - fair play to them I say.

 

Lambert is either happy with what he's being paid for the job he's doing or he isn't, regardless of what others are being paid.

 

Anyway, back to being human....

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I can’t see him signing for us for one simple reason…

… we’re too far south.

He’s always (expect for a short loan spell at Birmingham who was managed by his former Manchester United team mate Steve Bruce) played in the north either with Man U or Newcastle.

I think it would take a lot for him to drop into league one & also move right to the other end of the country at his age, especially if he feels he’ll spend a lot of time not playing through injury or squad rotation.

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