One more before Saturday?

[alpine_saint]

It's harlee dean

 

At least AP kept his word, I suppose.....

[Saint Fan CaM]

I would imagine that Harlee Dean will be the replacement for Pulis who I expect will be released next week?

[modern matron]

I really wonder what the f**k is going on. 4 days left and it all looks like empty promises.

 

I am wondering if we are finally allowed to panic yet, since most people drew their panic line-in-the-sand as the end of the window (of course not, now loans are the magical solution.....)

 

Please stop.....

[Professor]

Please stop.....

Dear Matron, We could all say that to people who express views we don't agree with and then there would no debate. If you don't like an opinion, just disregard it.

 

Alpine is far from alone in being frustrated by the limited transfer activity. Three FBs signed and one MF on a trial loan is less than many people expected when we went into the close season. Pre-season did nothing to increase confidence and results since then have undermined it. Club and manager statements suggest they know that more needs to be done, and it may be that Markus' illness was a factor in limiting activity sooner, but there is fairly wide agreement that at least 2 more players are needed, some people would say 3 or even 4. It hasn't happened yet, and until it does, there are bound to be critical voices.

 

There will be opposing views from management loyalists who say that whatever the club does is always right, whether its something or nothing, and that defeats are down to bad luck but having these argments is what makes the message board worthwhile.

[John B]

I think we know certain people want more players but continually going on about is very tiresome.

[modern matron]

Dear Matron, We could all say that to people who express views we don't agree with and then there would no debate. If you don't like an opinion, just disregard it.

 

Alpine is far from alone in being frustrated by the limited transfer activity. Three FBs signed and one MF on a trial loan is less than many people expected when we went into the close season. Pre-season did nothing to increase confidence and results since then have undermined it. Club and manager statements suggest they know that more needs to be done, and it may be that Markus' illness was a factor in limiting activity sooner, but there is fairly wide agreement that at least 2 more players are needed, some people would say 3 or even 4. It hasn't happened yet, and until it does, there are bound to be critical voices.

 

There will be opposing views from management loyalists who say that whatever the club does is always right, whether its something or nothing, and that defeats are down to bad luck but having these argments is what makes the message board worthwhile.

 

Fair enough but I think Alpine has made his point so why keep on repeating it? Perhaps wait until the window ends before giving an opinion? Every team neds to improve it's squad, but we're hardly "weak" are we? I think folks should calm down a bit - we've only played .

[NickG]

danger of getting greedy and going for the man city solution of throwing more players at the squad in the hope it will work.

 

the side we had at the end of last season showed it was good enough - and that was without a RB! (we now have two)

 

we have lost our speedy impact sub - but AP says one is to come, plus we now have Ox-C.

 

we have added Guly for competition at CM

 

I also expect more to come from Seaborne and Martin as they mature.

 

Much of our squad are still to peak - Lallana, Schneiderlin, and Puncheon.

 

I would like a star CM, and another CB to Fonte's standard, another big CF - but don't think we should need them - this squad should be competing for the title if players and manager perform to their potential and we are not very unlucky with injuries.

[landford.saint]

Some people have the Harry system when it comes to buying players. Just buy more and more and maybe win a couple of things but ultimately he destroys the club financially and you end up with a huge squad of overpaid players that you then can't get rid of.

 

This is no way to prudently run a club. We would all like more better players, but that is not always the best way.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Some people have the Harry system when it comes to buying players. Just buy more and more and maybe win a couple of things but ultimately he destroys the club financially and you end up with a huge squad of overpaid players that you then can't get rid of.

 

This is no way to prudently run a club. We would all like more better players, but that is not always the best way.

 

I agree completely with what you've said here, except I would suggest it's NEVER the best way! However, there are times I am sure when like any business, the CEO might consider a risk worth taking in order to capture extra ground on his opponents. These risks need to be measured and commensurate with the resources available. For NC and Saints I suspect that those equations are quite complex but simplified in the sense that don't need a bank to back the risk taking.

[waggy]

Some people have the Harry system when it comes to buying players. Just buy more and more and maybe win a couple of things but ultimately he destroys the club financially and you end up with a huge squad of overpaid players that you then can't get rid of.

 

This is no way to prudently run a club. We would all like more better players, but that is not always the best way.

 

I'm far from being anti-AP but has he not done a 'Harry' at his previous clubs, that was certainly one of the accusations from Charlton and West Ham fans?

[Deppo]

I think that we should change the WIFM signature to Buy New Players For Markus (BNPFM). Maybe that will bring in new players?

[Professor]

danger of getting greedy and going for the man city solution of throwing more players at the squad in the hope it will work.

the side we had at the end of last season showed it was good enough - and that was without a RB! (we now have two)

we have lost our speedy impact sub - but AP says one is to come, plus we now have Ox-C.

we have added Guly for competition at CM

I also expect more to come from Seaborne and Martin as they mature.

Much of our squad are still to peak - Lallana, Schneiderlin, and Puncheon.

 

I would like a star CM, and another CB to Fonte's standard, another big CF - but don't think we should need them - this squad should be competing for the title if players and manager perform to their potential and we are not very unlucky with injuries.

Sorry Nick, not entirely accurate is it.

We did have a RB at the end of last season, - Otsemobor, now playing for Sheff Wed.

Having two RBs is great for cover - and just as well since Richardson is injured - but RBs are of less value than a better player in a first choice role.

We have not lost our speedy impact sub. We have lost two speedy impact subs and now have a 17yr old to fill that role.

Guly may, or may not prove to be useful competition at CM but whether he is better than Hamond and Morgan we don't know, and the 5 months loan trial suggests that Pardew doesn't know either.

Seaborne and Martin may well do better as they mature - but when will that be. Will we already have let in too many goals by then?

Others in the squad have yet to peak - so when will the peak come? After other teams have got the promotion spots?

 

As for the behaving like Man City and throwing money at the squad, who in their right mind could claim that Saints have done that? But to categorise that calling for signings is behaving like that is a desparate tactic.

 

Its time to acknowledge constructive criticism, Nick, because this Pardew right or wrong stuff just doesn't wash and you can guarantee it it won't be Cortese's line either. If the current strategy works, Pardew will get the credit, but if it doesn't he will also get what he deserves, so I hope he is acting on the critical issues that some posters are also discussing. Doing nothing is never a very good defence.

[Dog]

I think that we should change the WIFM signature to Buy New Players For Markus (BNPFM). Maybe that will bring in new players?

 

Tit!

 

BNPFM

[Joneth]

I think that we should change the WIFM signature to Buy New Players For Markus (BNPFM). Maybe that will bring in new players?

 

Sounds like a racist radio station.

[Saint Fan CaM]

Sorry Nick, not entirely accurate is it.

We did have a RB at the end of last season, - Otsemobor, now playing for Sheff Wed.

Having two RBs is great for cover - and just as well since Richardson is injured - but RBs are of less value than a better player in a first choice role.

We have not lost our speedy impact sub. We have lost two speedy impact subs and now have a 17yr old to fill that role.

Guly may, or may not prove to be useful competition at CM but whether he is better than Hamond and Morgan we don't know, and the 5 months loan trial suggests that Pardew doesn't know either.

Seaborne and Martin may well do better as they mature - but when will that be. Will we already have let in too many goals by then?

Others in the squad have yet to peak - so when will the peak come? After other teams have got the promotion spots?

 

As for the behaving like Man City and throwing money at the squad, who in their right mind could claim that Saints have done that? But to categorise that calling for signings is behaving like that is a desparate tactic.

 

Its time to acknowledge constructive criticism, Nick, because this Pardew right or wrong stuff just doesn't wash and you can guarantee it it won't be Cortese's line either. If the current strategy works, Pardew will get the credit, but if it doesn't he will also get what he deserves, so I hope he is acting on the critical issues that some posters are also discussing. Doing nothing is never a very good defence.

 

Not disagreeing as such with anything you've said Prof, but how do you know AP has not requested new players, but NC has not been able to complete deals due to financial restraints in terms of transfer fee and/or wage demands? I cannot imagine a Manager not wanting the best players available to him in his squad, so why do you think AP should shoulder the blame for not getting in new players? Makes no sense to me.

[Deppo]

I agree completely with what you've said here, except I would suggest it's NEVER the best way! However, there are times I am sure when like any business, the CEO might consider a risk worth taking in order to capture extra ground on his opponents. These risks need to be measured and commensurate with the resources available. For NC and Saints I suspect that those equations are quite complex but simplified in the sense that don't need a bank to back the risk taking.

 

Nutshell.

 

BNPFM

[sadoldgit]

I'm far from being anti-AP but has he not done a 'Harry' at his previous clubs, that was certainly one of the accusations from Charlton and West Ham fans?

 

If it is true that Pardew and Cortese sit on a 4 man transfer committee, why does Pardew get all the stick?

[Thedelldays]

If it is true that Pardew and Cortese sit on a 4 man transfer committee, why does Pardew get all the stick?

 

he gets stick for the performances on the pitch...he gets praise for performances on the pitch

 

will you also congratulate les reed and NC for the good signings we have made over the last year...both loans and buys..?

[NickG]

Sorry Nick, not entirely accurate is it.

We did have a RB at the end of last season, - Otsemobor, now playing for Sheff Wed.

Having two RBs is great for cover - and just as well since Richardson is injured - but RBs are of less value than a better player in a first choice role.

We have not lost our speedy impact sub. We have lost two speedy impact subs and now have a 17yr old to fill that role.

Guly may, or may not prove to be useful competition at CM but whether he is better than Hamond and Morgan we don't know, and the 5 months loan trial suggests that Pardew doesn't know either.

Seaborne and Martin may well do better as they mature - but when will that be. Will we already have let in too many goals by then?

Others in the squad have yet to peak - so when will the peak come? After other teams have got the promotion spots?

 

As for the behaving like Man City and throwing money at the squad, who in their right mind could claim that Saints have done that? But to categorise that calling for signings is behaving like that is a desparate tactic.

 

Its time to acknowledge constructive criticism, Nick, because this Pardew right or wrong stuff just doesn't wash and you can guarantee it it won't be Cortese's line either. If the current strategy works, Pardew will get the credit, but if it doesn't he will also get what he deserves, so I hope he is acting on the critical issues that some posters are also discussing. Doing nothing is never a very good defence.

 

not sure what you are disagreeing with?

 

Ok we had one poor RB on loan for half a season, now we have two good ones.

 

Rather than blindly backing Pardew I am actually saying this is a Fing good squad and team and Pardew should be expected to get us promoted with it - even if we don't sign another player.

[sadoldgit]

he gets stick for the performances on the pitch...he gets praise for performances on the pitch

 

will you also congratulate les reed and NC for the good signings we have made over the last year...both loans and buys..?

 

We are talking about the stick he has had about transfers/lack of transfers all this summer.

[ottery st mary]

THE TROUBLE MAKERS THAT HAVE IMPLIED THERE IS A COMMITTEE ARE COMMONLY KNOWN AS AXE GRINDERS OR VILLAGE IDIOTS OR EVEN LIARS.

 

So as you know for certain....THERE IS NO COMMITTE......

 

There is a boss of the Football club and there is a boss of the football team(s) with a staff that report to him/them...

So as you know..We will refer to them as King Nic and Boss Pards..

 

Some of the staff are quite good and have a fair knowledge of football and sometimes suggest footballers who might be good for the mighty Saints..Even some good eggs on this forum come up with some very good suggestions.....Look at me I have suggested the young lad Messi for some time now..

 

Alan Pardew will evaluate all his information and make decisions about who he finally thinks will be on his wish list..

 

AND then a form of negotitation with King Nic will take place.. resulting in some success and some failure with a return to the drawing board, when required.

 

I am told categorically by the tea lady Ethel that King Nic and Pards do not believe in a committe but have a group of employees who do their respective jobs for which they are given some money for at the end of the pay period. Even when the named experts sit round a boot room table with Pards....This is called a gathering of employees and never known as a committee.....There are NO voting rights and King Nic is never present.....He did NOT suggest Papa......The Italian coach/agent suggested this particular player as for Guly Do Prada.

 

There are a group of peeps on this forum who would have you believe otherwise and a group of peeps on this forum that will WUM and also the sheep who believe anything they are told...

 

So think twice before you believe me.... but I can assure you I am nearer the truth than the axe grinders and WUMs and Pompey girlzz who come in disguise...

 

Alan Pardew is the boss....AND so is my missus..

Edited 28 August, 2010 by ottery st mary
Goolies mixed with Gulies or Gulys

[Charlie Wayman]

Personally I think we will only see loans anyway. I have nothing to base my view other than I think since ML's death the financial purse strings will be tightened despite the communication that has been delivered to suggest otherwise. on the other hand the squad we have at the moment should be strong enough to gain promotion. Whether the resources are being used to full effectiveness Is open for debate.

 

I think you are quite right in your prognosis of the state of affairs at the club. Everything has changed despite the reassuring rhetoric emanating from up stairs. Cortese may not feel the same way about Saints now that Marcus has passed away - in fact he may never have been as fanatical as Marcus but was prepared to do his master's bidding. Although he is wise enough not to be disrespectful to Marcus' legacy and quit immediately it must be a realistic consideration after a decent period of time has elapsed. In which case he will want to leave a legacy of a sound business free of debt and unnecessary cash flows such as additional wages for decent players. It will ease his way out leaving fans on a high note and more importantly raise the stakes for bidders in a sell-off of Saints. The present squad may be good enough to take us out of this mess called L1 as you suggest but would not be good enough to get us much further.

 

Nevertheless, if we are on a good course by the end of the year, it will prove that we didn't need more players and Cortese may feel ready to hand over the baton to a new owner whose job it would be to rebuild the team once we are in the nPC.

 

Every one is a winner and we will all feel good again - provided of course that Rupert Lowe does not leap from the bushes with £25million to buy the club.

[Faz]

I think you are quite right in your prognosis of the state of affairs at the club. Everything has changed despite the reassuring rhetoric emanating from up stairs. Cortese may not feel the same way about Saints now that Marcus has passed away - in fact he may never have been as fanatical as Marcus but was prepared to do his master's bidding. Although he is wise enough not to be disrespectful to Marcus' legacy and quit immediately it must be a realistic consideration after a decent period of time has elapsed. In which case he will want to leave a legacy of a sound business free of debt and unnecessary cash flows such as additional wages for decent players. It will ease his way out leaving fans on a high note and more importantly raise the stakes for bidders in a sell-off of Saints. The present squad may be good enough to take us out of this mess called L1 as you suggest but would not be good enough to get us much further.

 

Nevertheless, if we are on a good course by the end of the year, it will prove that we didn't need more players and Cortese may feel ready to hand over the baton to a new owner whose job it would be to rebuild the team once we are in the nPC.

 

Every one is a winner and we will all feel good again - provided of course that Rupert Lowe does not leap from the bushes with £25million to buy the club.

 

I'm grateful to you for this insightful contribution. You must know NC very very well.

[InvictaSaint]

I think you are quite right in your prognosis of the state of affairs at the club. Everything has changed despite the reassuring rhetoric emanating from up stairs. Cortese may not feel the same way about Saints now that Marcus has passed away - in fact he may never have been as fanatical as Marcus but was prepared to do his master's bidding. Although he is wise enough not to be disrespectful to Marcus' legacy and quit immediately it must be a realistic consideration after a decent period of time has elapsed. In which case he will want to leave a legacy of a sound business free of debt and unnecessary cash flows such as additional wages for decent players. It will ease his way out leaving fans on a high note and more importantly raise the stakes for bidders in a sell-off of Saints. The present squad may be good enough to take us out of this mess called L1 as you suggest but would not be good enough to get us much further.

 

Nevertheless, if we are on a good course by the end of the year, it will prove that we didn't need more players and Cortese may feel ready to hand over the baton to a new owner whose job it would be to rebuild the team once we are in the nPC.

 

Every one is a winner and we will all feel good again - provided of course that Rupert Lowe does not leap from the bushes with £25million to buy the club.

 

I think your argument falls apart almost as soon as it begins. It was, and continues to be, widely reported that it was NC who brought the idea of buying the club to ML, not the other way round. Why would he therefore feel any less passionate about the job in hand now? If anything, he would feel more inclined to get us to the 'promised land' of the PL, as a lasting memorial for his friend Markus. I have met NC on two occasions, and whilst I could not claim to know his innermost thoughts, speaking to him you get a sense that this man is driven; quitting is not something he does. If he sets out to do something, it will get done. That is why I feel no less confident about our future now than I did before Markus's sad passing.

[alpine_saint]

If it is true that Pardew and Cortese sit on a 4 man transfer committee, why does Pardew get all the stick?

 

If he gets all the credit, why cant he get all the stick too ?

[Deppo]

I agree with alpine saint. I was going to put links to all the posts where alpine gives Pardew credit, but there were far too many and I'm only on here 23 hours a day so felt my limited time was best used elsewhere.

 

BNPFM

[del boy]

Every one is a winner

 

Thats for sure