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IamLeGod

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Mehh, KP has been brilliant for the England Cricket team the past 5 or so years.

 

France basically owed their successes of '98 and '00 to dual residency players, so why not? Top class player, would certainly add another option. We've got a foreign manager, and Owen Hargreaves is hardly 'English'.

 

I for one would certainly take him.

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krissyboy31

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Why are the English so precious about this. I hate the flag of convenience thing but TBH most other countries have 'foreigners' playing for them and our cricket team and rugby team have done this for years. If Arteta wants to play for us and the rules state that he can, then surely he should be up for selection along with every other qualified player.

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Arteta isn't eligible for England, unless he has at least an English grandparent or has "engaged in a minimum of five years' education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association". People inside the game and media proving once again they know very little about a subject and have decided to jump on the bandwagon before stopping and looking at the rules.

 

A statement from the SFA read: "The Scottish FA has received confirmation from Fifa that it has approved an amendment to eligibility ruling 15 (d) of the agreement between the four British associations.

 

"The amendment was submitted by the four home associations to Fifa's executive committee, who met in Johannesburg, principally to correct an anomaly in the original wording.

 

"The amendment has now been implemented with immediate effect.

 

"Under Article 15 of the Fifa regulations, a player who is eligible to represent more than one association on account of British nationality shall now be assessed according to the following criteria: a) He was born on the territory of the relevant association; b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant association; c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant association.

 

"The original Rule d) read: 'the player has undertaken primary and/or secondary education for a minimum of five years in the territory of the relevant association.'

 

"The reworded Rule d) now reads: 'd) He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association."'

 

dailytelegraph.co.uk

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Barry the Badger

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Arteta isn't eligible for England, unless he has at least an English grandparent or has "engaged in a minimum of five years' education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association". People inside the game and media proving once again they know very little about a subject and have decided to jump on the bandwagon before stopping and looking at the rules.

 

dailytelegraph.co.uk

 

Arteta is eligible for England, he doesn't need an English grandparent or to have "engaged in a minimum of five years' education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association". Hopkins proving once again he knows very little about a subject and has decided to get all excited before stopping and looking at the rules.

 

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Hopkins

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Im sure thats for English players trying to play for Scotland or any other 'home' nation.

 

No it is not. Someone explained this better somewhere else so i'll use there message as a template.

 

It might be called "a Gentlemans Agreement" but in reality it is the home nations agreeing to invoke the optional clause in Article 16 of the "FIFA Regulations Governing the Application of the Statutes".

 

Found here...http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/01/09/75/14/fifa_statutes_072008_en.pdf

 

It reads as;

Regardless of par. 1 above, Associations sharing a common nationality may make an agreement

under which item (d) of par. 1 of this article is deleted completely or amended to specify a longer

time limit. Such agreements shall be lodged with and approved by the Executive Committee.

and item (d) (that is "deleted completely" for the home nations) is the

(d) He has lived continuously an the territory of the relevant Association for at least two years.

clause that Arteta (or Almunia or any other non english player that has been mentioned) would need to use to be eligible.

 

And this means that until such a time that FIFA makes the decision to "unapprove" this option (the home nations needs to request it) any player such as Arteta is, in all ways, ineligible for the england (or scottish or welsh or NI) team. It isn't simply one or more home nations deciding on a whim that they won't call up a certain player, it is in fact a binding part of FIFA regulations.

 

And while it is fully possible for the home nations to request to FIFA to unapprove this that would bring us into the territory of forcing the issue of a unified GB national team.

 

This is the above rule in action...http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/7702704.stm

 

The BBC themselves pointing out it means Arteta and Co can't play for England, and then 2 years later showing the lack of thinking and research that goes on in the arrogant English media, by ignoring there own article and going as far as asking Arteta if he wants to play. Even though he can't.

 

Hopkins should probably never post again.

 

I seriously suggest you don't try and act smug on something you clearly are basing your knowledge of the info given to you from the media.

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Pancake

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their not, im just asking Hopkins as he said its just not the home nations? im confused.

 

No he didnt.

 

Player X can play for a country if he was (a) born there (b) his biological parents where born there © his biological grand-parents were born there or (d) has gain full citizenship of the country.

 

AND

 

has not represented another country at a level above U21 (I think).

 

In addition, the Home Nations (England, Scotland, Wales and NI) have an agreement in place for their players that states "He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association." This is basically to stop England swooping up players like Giggs, but it also stops England stealing any players that would be eligible under the FIFA rules to play for any of the Home Nations.

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krissyboy31

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No he didnt.

 

Player X can play for a country if he was (a) born there (b) his biological parents where born there © his biological grand-parents were born there or (d) has gain full citizenship of the country.

 

AND

 

has not represented another country at a level above U21 (I think).

 

In addition, the Home Nations (England, Scotland, Wales and NI) have an agreement in place for their players that states "He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association." This is basically to stop England swooping up players like Giggs, but it also stops England stealing any players that would be eligible under the FIFA rules to play for any of the Home Nations.

 

But it doesn't stop any ole Englishman playing for Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland or the Irish Republic because, their grand Father's Step Mother once had a weekend there! It's basically bullsh!t!!! Pat Van den Hauwe was aloud to play for Wales under the same qualification Arteta and Almunia have and most European countries wouldn't be able to field a team without "immigrants".

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There's a Brazilian in the Japanese team, Turks, Poles in the German team, goes on all over the place.

 

Simone Perotta who won the world cup with Italy 4 years ago was born in Ashton-under-Lyme near Manchester

 

Also Camronasi is from Argentina. The horrible, nasty *****

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Deppo

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Mehh, KP has been brilliant for the England Cricket team the past 5 or so years.

 

France basically owed their successes of '98 and '00 to dual residency players, so why not? Top class player, would certainly add another option. We've got a foreign manager, and Owen Hargreaves is hardly 'English'.

 

I for one would certainly take him.

 

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Hopkins

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Hopkins you "clearly" cant suggest my only knowledge is from the media, smug and hypocrite. Shwan Jalal, represented England at C team level and now plays for Iran btw Pancake :)

 

Don't try and act smug about my posts when you clearly don't know the rules. That is all. Arteta is not eligible for England and you should never post again. Thankyou. Good night xxx

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Shwan Jalal, represented England at C team level and now plays for Iran btw Pancake

 

1. England C = non professional, doesnt count.

2. Jalal was born in Iraq, are you sure he plays for Iran?

3. Since when was either Iraq or Iran part of the Home Nations alongside England, Scotland, Wales and NI?

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