Turkish Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I could argue that the reaction on here more suggests that God Forbid anyone should not wet themselves over a signing. Who would you like to see us sign, who would make you happy?
saintscottofthenortham Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I cannot believe this has got to 8 pages. No one has seen the guy play. And you just whack him into the starting line up. How about we see how he does against Bolton, after all he should be able to rip them up considering his "blistering pace" and "ball control" as after all Bolton aren't known for their speed or finesse. i think die to the fact we have popped Chievo & Roma to signing a Brazilian, has left us with a slight feeling of anticipation and excitement. Add to that, the fact that every bid of him in YouTube is him smashing in long range rifles first time, 30 odd yard free kicks and getting some pretty good assists. I can't help but think that once this fella gets to grips with the pace and physical side of English football he is going to be a major asset for us.
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 i think die to the fact we have popped Chievo & Roma to signing a Brazilian If those two were really interested he'd have gone there, no question. I think it was earlier in the window there were a few talks b etween those clubs, but it didn't come to anything. The OS will obviously try and milk this! but he's still seems a good signing for this level.
dubai_phil Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Many on here criticise players for inconsistent performances Many on here criticise the team for not winning "games we should have won" The fact is that to win promotion THIS season, we need consistency. That comes from having consistent and experienced PLAYERS. What it WON'T come from is having players with Potential. A player with potential may come on the pitch and have a blinder, or he may simply not read the pace of the game or the tactical needs of the match. Papa had great POTENTIAL, he could turn on a game changing moment of skill. BUT he could also disappear. As an example, Papa cost us a win against poopey in the Cup by not having the composure to bury one of the chances he had in the first half. So, AP & his Scouting team/network of contacts appear to be out in the transfer market looking for experienced players (ie those around 2 8 that can come in and be consistent. This season we don't need THE Papa or Antonio of last season, they were inconsistent. IF the management team have felt that they could not be at the level of consistency we will need oop north in mid winter and are looking to find OTHER players that are more likely to perform then IMHO, that's fantastic. Potential we have in the youngsters coming through. They can be on the bench and maybe produce the magic moment. We need 90 minute performers n the pitch. (Oh and that's why I think AP sees Guly as a risk - he believes he will give that consistency, but has kept his options open just in case)
Scudamore Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I could argue that the reaction on here more suggests that God Forbid anyone should not wet themselves over a signing. Well you seem to have racked up more posts on this particular thread than anyone else so apparently you want to get your underwhelmed feeling across a little more than anyone else. Most people are keeping their powder dry of course as any foreign signing can be a risk. The South Americans moreso than any other historically. However it's only right to get a little excited over seeing any new signing in my eyes. This one perhaps more than someone like Frazer Richardson purely because of the unknown factor. I like the unknown. ------------------------- Oh and getting back to the South Americans thing i really can't go along with the suggestion that Pardew screwed up with Macherano and Tevez. Both players have openly admitted that it was quite a culture shock...our game being so quick. And to my mind Mascherano didn't even get the swing of it until his second season at Liverpool. In fact i can't think of many foreign imports that do get off to a flyer in their first season...Torres being one...certainly not many from South America though.
SaintRichmond Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2131709,00.html Tall, pacey and can score by the looks of it. Exactly what we need! Who do you think is leaving then ???
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Who do you think is leaving then ??? No one is leaving.
SaintRichmond Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Quite possibly; he's still going to get one wrong at some point. If he passes the ball along the ground instead of aimlessly pumping it uo in the air all the time ...... .... then Pardew will have got it wrong, because he won't fit in with the other 10 on the park
Junior Mullet Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 An Italian football expert I asked on twitter said Guly isn't a central midfielder who would play in a 2 but rather a no 10 type. I think we will use him in this kind of formation: ---------------------------Davis-------------------------- Butterfield-----------Fonte-----Jaidi--------Harding ----------------Hammond--------Schneiderlin-------------- Puncheon--------------Guly---------------Lallana ---------------------Lambert------------------------------- I think Barnard deserves a starting place in a 4-4-1-1 personally. He looked our most potent threat for most of the game on Saturday. That line-up also ignores the fact that Lambert currently plays the "No.10" role in a 4-4-1-1 formation at present. Lambert is most dangerous when coming slightly deeper rather than playing on the shoulder of the last defender. I therefore expect Guly to be a straight swap for Hammond if he can prove himself. AP went on record last year saying Deano needed to up his game and IMO nothing really has changed. We need a real dynamo in the middle of the park if we are going to cruise to promotion without having to scrap for it. Neil Danns would have fitted the bill perfectly but it seems he's not going anywhere now. Let's hope Guly can deliver. Let's face it none of us really know anything about the lad. I reckon if you made a quick compilation for UTube of most of the posters on here scoring there best ever goals on the local rec it would look pretty impressive so I never pay too much attention to them. Talking of formation, has anyone else noticed how Shneiderlin is playing slightly deeper this year? Seems to me to suit him. He's also filled out a bit which can only be good news.
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Well you seem to have racked up more posts on this particular thread than anyone else so apparently you want to get your underwhelmed feeling across a little more than anyone else. Or maybe because I have had more comments (abuse) directed at me for my opinion than anyone else, and I have the right of reply ? The only reason I started again on this thread this morning was to point out that I considered my reservations overnight to see if I was being knee-jerk overly negative yesterday and still came up with the same concerns.
Tom28 Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I haven't trawler through all 9 pages but anyone else a little suspicious about this signing? The guy has bumped around from club to club, he banged in 9 goals in a promotion season to Serie A last year, he supposedly attracted interest from Roma, but he rejects Serie A football to play League One football in England? Pull the other one. Something is dodgy about this deal. It's like Dorrans at West Brom, played well in their promotion season, attracts interest from West Ham, but rejects Premier League football to play in C. Doesn't happen. There's more to this than meets the eye.
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I haven't trawler through all 9 pages but anyone else a little suspicious about this signing? The guy has bumped around from club to club, he banged in 9 goals in a promotion season to Serie A last year, he supposedly attracted interest from Roma, but he rejects Serie A football to play League One football in England? Pull the other one. Something is dodgy about this deal. It's like Dorrans at West Brom, played well in their promotion season, attracts interest from West Ham, but rejects Premier League football to play in C. Doesn't happen. There's more to this than meets the eye. You are not allowed to say things like that on here in the post-coital afterglow of a signing....
SNSUN Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Don't rush back, we won't miss you for an hour or 4,976can you feeeeeeel the love!
S-Clarke Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I haven't trawler through all 9 pages but anyone else a little suspicious about this signing? The guy has bumped around from club to club, he banged in 9 goals in a promotion season to Serie A last year, he supposedly attracted interest from Roma, but he rejects Serie A football to play League One football in England? Pull the other one. Something is dodgy about this deal. It's like Dorrans at West Brom, played well in their promotion season, attracts interest from West Ham, but rejects Premier League football to play in C. Doesn't happen. There's more to this than meets the eye. I don't see what's odd about it. Dorrans rejected West ham to play in the prem with WBA. Not sure what's dodgy about that?
Scudamore Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Or maybe because I have had more comments (abuse) directed at me for my opinion than anyone else, and I have the right of reply ? The only reason I started again on this thread this morning was to point out that I considered my reservations overnight to see if I was being knee-jerk overly negative yesterday and still came up with the same concerns. The only reason you started it in the first place is to get a reaction. And the only reason you started again this morning was to get another reaction. All of which means that to find anything of any value on this thread people have to trawl through your sh:t posts and the reactions to them. And there is some stuff of value as well by the way. The Gabriel Marcotti quote for example. One you've of course chosen to ignore of course. I come here for Saints news and opinions and the banter of course. Sadly i have to wade through your attention seeking to get to it time and time again *sigh*
The Kraken Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I haven't trawler through all 9 pages but anyone else a little suspicious about this signing? The guy has bumped around from club to club, he banged in 9 goals in a promotion season to Serie A last year, he supposedly attracted interest from Roma, but he rejects Serie A football to play League One football in England? Pull the other one. Something is dodgy about this deal. It's like Dorrans at West Brom, played well in their promotion season, attracts interest from West Ham, but rejects Premier League football to play in C. Doesn't happen. There's more to this than meets the eye. I'll give you the example of Kevin Phillips, and see if you find this "dodgy". In Season 2007-08 Phillips played for West Brom in their promotion campaign to the Premier League. He won the "Championship Player of the Year" award. He also picked up Player-of-the-Year awards from both the West Bromwich Albion Supporters Club and from the club itself, after scoring 24 goals from 30 starts and finishing as the Championship's second top goalscorer. He was also named in the PFA Championship Team of the Year. When his contract with West Bromwich Albion expired at the end of the 2007–08 season, the club offered him a one-year deal, with an additional second year if he made 19 or more league appearances. Phillips rejected the offer and joined Championship club Birmingham City, signing a two-year contract on 9 July 2008. Phillips considered the best bet for hus future was to move to a club on the up, rather than go up with a team who were destined for a quick return to the lower leagues. Nothing dodgy about that, in fact perhaps something to admire.
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 The only reason you started it in the first place is to get a reaction. And the only reason you started again this morning was to get another reaction. All of which means that to find anything of any value on this thread people have to trawl through your sh:t posts and the reactions to them. And there is some stuff of value as well by the way. The Gabriel Marcotti quote for example. One you've of course chosen to ignore of course. I come here for Saints news and opinions and the banter of course. Sadly i have to wade through your attention seeking to get to it time and time again *sigh* Then dont bother reading my posts, put them on ignore, media studies stoodent boy. I treated your posts with respect and you came back with this inflammatory bullsh*t. I am entitled to express my misgivings and seek debate on it. No-one has written anything of substance to convince me that : 1. There is a high chance of it working out 2. That we can afford to go with this experiment until January without damage to our promotion prospects. You can call that attention-seeking if you wish, but it just demonstrates to me that most of you celebrate a signing for the sake of it and dont have a jack-sh*t clue about how difficult promotion is going to be to achieve.
Scudamore Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Then dont bother reading my posts, put them on ignore, media studies stoodent boy. I treated your posts with respect and you came back with this inflammatory bullsh*t. I am entitled to express my misgivings and seek debate on it. No-one has written anything of substance to convince me that : 1. There is a high chance of it working out 2. That we can afford to go with this experiment until January without damage to our promotion prospects. You can call that attention-seeking if you wish, but it just demonstrates to me that most of you celebrate a signing for the sake of it and dont have a jack-sh*t clue about how difficult promotion is going to be to achieve. Funny you should say it. You are going on my ignore list. About four years too late to be fair. But it's happening. You contradict yourself more than any person i've ever known. You also plainly like the argument more than you like Saints. Mong.
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Funny you should say it. You are going on my ignore list. About four years too late to be fair. But it's happening. You contradict yourself more than any person i've ever known. You also plainly like the argument more than you like Saints. Mong. Thank f**k for that. I notice you didnt address any of my points during your tirade.
Barry the Badger Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I haven't trawler through all 9 pages but anyone else a little suspicious about this signing? The guy has bumped around from club to club, he banged in 9 goals in a promotion season to Serie A last year, he supposedly attracted interest from Roma, but he rejects Serie A football to play League One football in England? Pull the other one. Something is dodgy about this deal. It's like Dorrans at West Brom, played well in their promotion season, attracts interest from West Ham, but rejects Premier League football to play in C. Doesn't happen. There's more to this than meets the eye. Happens quite often. Pitman turned down Blackpool. Probably didn't fancy a year of sitting on the bench for a team getting stuffed week in week out. Perhaps some footballers are intelligent enough to know their own limits.
Scudamore Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Ahhh...that feels good! Like removing a plaster cast... I'm sure you're making some great points there Alpine... As you were mong... ---------------------------------------------- Back on track...i can't wait to get down to St Mary's and see Do Prado with my own eyes...i hope as a Saints fan who loves the team dearly that he's a massive success.
Tom28 Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Some semi valid points made but: a) Dorrans is still playing Premier League. Do Prado could still be playing Serie A for Cesena b) Kevin Phillips was way into his 30's and if you re-read his comments on that move, he decided to leave because he was told he was unlikely to start and he felt at his age he needed to be playing regularly c) the Pitman comment isn't the same thing. And he's still moving up the leagues, not down. Also, players 'knowing their limit'-Do Prado was top scorer from midfield. If he isnt good enough to stay in their team in Serie A, then I would suggest they would need to buy 8 or 9 new starters. So in summary, I was wrong. They weren't semi valid. They just weren't valid. I reckon we'll find out at some point that Cortese has links to the Mafia - and used his hired muscle to secure Papa last year and Do Prado this year... Now that's a rumour...
northam soul Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 So has his clearance come through to play tonight ?
Barry the Badger Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 (edited) Some semi valid points made but: c) the Pitman comment isn't the same thing. And he's still moving up the leagues, not down. But the fact is he still turned down a higher level of football. Makes no difference which way he's going. He is an example of a player turning down top flight football to play in a lower division. So a perfectly valid example thank you. Also, players 'knowing their limit'-Do Prado was top scorer from midfield. If he isnt good enough to stay in their team in Serie A, then I would suggest they would need to buy 8 or 9 new starters. Ok, so if he is their second or third best player and would easily be in the Cesena team, why did they accept a five month loan deal? They're clearly keen to shift him. Sorry, but what you are saying just doesn't add up, Cesena clearly do not feel he is up to Serie A standards. Not that I am not excited about the signing, he looks good but I don't think there's anything odd going on here, just a player who is no longer wanted by his club, moving to another club. Edited 24 August, 2010 by Barry the Badger
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Ahhh...that feels good! Like removing a plaster cast... I'm sure you're making some great points there Alpine... As you were mong... ---------------------------------------------- Back on track...i can't wait to get down to St Mary's and see Do Prado with my own eyes...i hope as a Saints fan who loves the team dearly that he's a massive success. Wow, handing out abuse then sticking your fingers in your ears and going "La-la-la-la-la". My six year old stopped that ages ago...
barney Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Wow, handing out abuse then sticking your fingers in your ears and going "La-la-la-la-la". My six year old stopped that ages ago... Some people really should not be allowed to pro-create.
dubai_phil Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Phew that's a relief. The 6 year old's gonna make it in life. Now what about Guly? Any word on his International Clearance?
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Phew that's a relief. The 6 year old's gonna make it in life. Now what about Guly? Any word on his International Clearance? Indeed. Unlike the media studies stoodent boy. International Clearance ? This is the Italian FA we are talking about...
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Anyone can have whatever opinion they want, but being not only persistently negative.. Strange contradiction there... but taking over the majority of threads with your relentlessly draining, self-promoting tedious droning will wind people up. Tried to address this one before, adrian. I'm damned if I do (answer all the posts directed at me) for taking over the thread, and damned if I dont (just a WUM, not real argument to make, just looking for a rise) Other people. Not me. I think you're just super. xx Cut out the flirting, you tart. I'm happily married
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 It doesn't work. He enters every thread to take over A complete exaggeration, of course..
dubai_phil Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Strange contradiction there... Tried to address this one before, adrian. I'm damned if I do (answer all the posts directed at me) for taking over the thread, and damned if I dont (just a WUM, not real argument to make, just looking for a rise) Cut out the flirting, you tart. I'm happily married Ha GOT YOU! Now we know everything Alps says is made up. Ain't NO man ever truly been Happily Married Proof - you're in a room with 150 naked Playboy Playmates a bucket of baby oil and a packet of Viagra and are told - The notlob game is on the 62" LCD Tv in the corner just for you. And the wife calls and needs you to pop down the shop for a packet of sugar or else she'll ruin the cake she's been baking all afternoon
Scudamore Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 It doesn't work. He enters every thread to take over so gets quoted so much you can't avoid it even with the ignore button. I tried it and it made zero difference. Of course, if everyone joined in, he could happily make his 10,000 posts, not get criticised and none of us would have to read it. A perfect solution. Similarly, they should continue to make big brother, allow a few hundred housemates in, but secretly not film, broadcast or report on any of it. Such wise words. We need that Ask Adriansfc thread back i feel. I can see it's not exactly working as i would like. But it's an improvement.
The9 Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 International Clearance ? This is the Italian FA we are talking about... Yeah, quite. Remember Waiting for Waigo, anyone...? I'll be surprised if he's eligible for Saturday, the club are just using this as a tool to shift more tickets, pretty sure he won't be playing - though having an Italian in charge might actually help us on this one.
Minty Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 If the thread is no longer about Guly, can I suggest we either lock it, or rename it 'All about alpine'?
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 If the thread is no longer about Guly, can I suggest we either lock it, or rename it 'All about alpine'? My international clearance hasnt come through, either..
saintjay77 Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Or maybe because I have had more comments (abuse) directed at me for my opinion than anyone else, and I have the right of reply ? The only reason I started again on this thread this morning was to point out that I considered my reservations overnight to see if I was being knee-jerk overly negative yesterday and still came up with the same concerns. Not trying to stick up for you as IMO you get yourself into enough trouble so think you can sort yourself out, but I was thinking yesterday that you seem to have a following of people ready to slate just about anything you say. You dont help as your original post shows on this thread, you make a comment that will get a reaction and by the time you get round to defending your original comment its like WW3 and we are into page 3 of sh*te. Western Saint replied in the best way to your comments and like me agreed with what we think you were trying to say. I think when your reasoning of reaction comments are read in the right way they come accross as valid and worth debating. Too many people are ready to jump down your throat to make reading 70% of the thread worthless. Think everyone could do with taking a breath before they type sometimes.
simondo Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 + 1 it gets sooooooo boring scrolling through pages of apline and his groupies - just let him say his bit and ignore it this forum is turning into 1% saints - 99% ****s bating eachother across a keyboard Mods - please put your foot (feet) down
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Not trying to stick up for you as IMO you get yourself into enough trouble so think you can sort yourself out, but I was thinking yesterday that you seem to have a following of people ready to slate just about anything you say. You dont help as your original post shows on this thread, you make a comment that will get a reaction and by the time you get round to defending your original comment its like WW3 and we are into page 3 of sh*te. Western Saint replied in the best way to your comments and like me agreed with what we think you were trying to say. I think when your reasoning of reaction comments are read in the right way they come accross as valid and worth debating. Too many people are ready to jump down your throat to make reading 70% of the thread worthless. Think everyone could do with taking a breath before they type sometimes. It's not what he says but how he says it.
alpine_saint Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 It's not what he says but how he says it. Please tell me what so many of you found so personally provocative about this : Why is it only a loan, FFS ? He could walk away in January. Despite his credentials, I am underwhelmed. I am frustrated that our first signing for over a month, and now that the games are showing squad shortcomings, is a "risky" (Pardews words, not mine..) loan.
sambosa75 Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Please tell me what so many of you found so personally provocative about this : I am frustrated that our first signing for over a month, and now that the games are showing squad shortcomings, is a "risky" (Pardews words, not mine..) loan. For the very reason that it is risky. It could turn out to be a match made in heaven but on the other hand could be an unmitigated disaster. We've not got the best track record with South American players have we? That said, its worth a punt and a 5 month loan with an agreement in place to take him permanently is probably the best piece of business we could do. I'd even go as far as to say this is an even better deal than simply buying him and hoping for the best.
Deppo Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I am in a civil partnership with alpine saint, and we have adopted a lovely 6-year old boy. I think you should all lay off him and leave him alone. I promise I will give him a bit more attention at home.
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 His question has been answered dozens of times now. A signing with risk, so we remove the risk by making it a loan with option to buy. A sensible strategy and one we can all appreciate. All but one that is. Because Alpine still takes that to mean 'risky loan' and makes the same non-point for 9 pages. I don't believe he's actually THAT stupid, so is it a wind-up? An attempt to keep the alpine show going? Sheer stubbornness, negativity or Pardew-hate? Or a combination of all? Its not a wind up, nobody is that persistent. He was exactly the same on 606 ........ 8 years ago!
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Risky signing and hence a loan, don't twist it *****. FWIW I couldn't give a toss if he's on loan, trial, part-time or internship if he improves the team. And besides, EVERY signing is a risk. Clearly it is not enough of a risk for Pardew to feel it is not worth it.
Viking Warrior Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 Sad thing is i called an amnesty on Alpine for some good things he said recently. Having read this thread and others in the last few days lpine is starting to do my head in. He's about to go back on my ignore list. Could I ask fellow posters to stop copying his posts in their responses to him sorry alps but I have just put you in the room 101 hole.
RonManager Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I am in a civil partnership with alpine saint ARE YOU?, and we have adopted a lovely 6-year old boy HAVE YOU? I think you should all lay off him and leave him alone DO YOU? I promise I will give him a bit more attention at home WILL YOU? ...
Barry the Badger Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I think we should all give up here. Most seem to think Guly is a decent calculated risk in the circumstances, but think and hope he should be good. Alpine thinks Guly is too much of a risk in the circumstances, and is underwhelmed and thinks AP is due a bad signing. Nobody is going to change their mind. End of discussion I reckon.
sotonist Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 There's two levels of risk here. The risk of signing a player who won't fit in. The risk of throwing away the first half of the season if we don't make the right moves in the transfer market. The second risk is what worries me. Clearly the first is mitigated by the structure of the deal.
hypochondriac Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 There's two levels of risk here. The risk of signing a player who won't fit in. The risk of throwing away the first half of the season if we don't make the right moves in the transfer market. The second risk is what worries me. Clearly the first is mitigated by the structure of the deal. But what are the right moves? Clearly Pardew feels this is it and I trust him with that.
influx Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 I have been accused several times of demanding signings for the sake of it. Sod their quality. Well, I reckon a lot of people on here feel obliged to applaud a signing just because its a signing. Nobody has a f**king clue if he will deliver. Most people dont even know who he is. Look at the abuse anyone who questioned the Dickson signing got. Now look how that has worked out. You are something else, mood hooverer extraordanaire. If people can't get a little excited about this then when can they?
dubai_phil Posted 24 August, 2010 Posted 24 August, 2010 You are something else, mood hooverer extraordanaire. If people can't get a little excited about this then when can they? I think this was the appropriate link you were looking for - http://reddwarf.wikia.com/wiki/Despair_Squid
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