Policeman with the camera

[Dalek2003]

You can always ask why a camera is being used and you have the right to an honest answer.

[jam]

You can always ask why a camera is being used and you have the right to an honest answer.

 

 

Not sure if anyone explained that to these public servants...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Nobody had a go at me when I filmed people after the Pompey match and sent the video to the police, so why get so angry about this?

 

Agree it seems a strange thing for the police to do, but also seems a strange reaction from everyone else. If someone filmed me, I'd just think it was strange rather than make me angry.

[Andy Durman]

It would be interesting how many times your on CCTV without realising. Personally I'm quite happy if this helps to keep law & order

[hypochondriac]

It would be interesting how many times your on CCTV without realising. Personally I'm quite happy if this helps to keep law & order

 

I think we should all have cameras fitted to every room in our house. If it helps keep law and order then personally I am quite happy.

[Saint_clark]

It would be interesting how many times your on CCTV without realising. Personally I'm quite happy if this helps to keep law & order

 

Again - that is completely different.

[RedAndWhite91]

It would be interesting how many times your on CCTV without realising. Personally I'm quite happy if this helps to keep law & order

 

Nineteen-Eighty-Four was a warning, not a blueprint.

[Macey_J2]

"Self fulfilling prophecy" If you treat people as criminals, they start to act that way. I have done nothing wrong, but i was aggravated by it to the point of wanting to take it off him. Police complaints commission anyone?

 

Here's the form to complain http://customerservices.ipcc.gov.uk/AF3/an/default.aspx/NewPDF/WH2WegKzGyd.pdf

Edited 23 August, 2010 by Macey_J2

[stu0x]

the camera in question was probably being used with 'facial recognition' trying to locate whoever the Op was designated for. so if you aint done nothing related to the offence they were looking for it won't keep the image, simples.

This is just about the only post in this thread that actually holds any merit whatsoever.

 

80-90% of the rest would be hilarious if they weren't so utterly idiotic.

 

It always makes me laugh how people think they are authorities on policing, despite having exactly zero knowledge and experience. I wonder if any of you ever wander into your local A&E and start advising the trauma team on how to treat a sucking chest wound?

[Crazy Diamond]

Thought it was utterly pathetic, the reaction that most of the Northam gave the officer in question for doing his job - if you've nothing to hide, what on earth is your problem? All these fans that complain about ticket prices, season ticket instalment plans being withdrawn, it's nice to see you were dishing out abuse and looking for a police officer rather than focusing on supporting your team and watching the actual game. Utterly pathetic.

 

Best thing about it was the lout two rows in front of me that shouted a carefully planned line; "Have you got permission from Cortese for that?", to which no-one laughed, making him look a complete twonk.

 

Also who was that brilliant fellow who decided to go to the officer and try to talk to him? What was the point?

[hypochondriac]

Thought it was utterly pathetic, the reaction that most of the Northam gave the officer in question for doing his job - if you've nothing to hide, what on earth is your problem? All these fans that complain about ticket prices, season ticket instalment plans being withdrawn, it's nice to see you were dishing out abuse and looking for a police officer rather than focusing on supporting your team and watching the actual game. Utterly pathetic.

 

Best thing about it was the lout two rows in front of me that shouted a carefully planned line; "Have you got permission from Cortese for that?", to which no-one laughed, making him look a complete twonk.

 

Also who was that brilliant fellow who decided to go to the officer and try to talk to him? What was the point?

 

Eh?

[Crazy Diamond]

Eh?

 

I believe you understand.

 

For clarification, most of the people around me weren't watching the game whilst the officer was filming, they were focusing their attention on him and weren't even aware what was going on in the game. I think this is a tad silly.

[hypochondriac]

I believe you understand.

 

For clarification, most of the people around me weren't watching the game whilst the officer was filming, they were focusing their attention on him and weren't even aware what was going on in the game. I think this is a tad silly.

 

But how do you know the ones complaining about ticket prices etc were the ones dishing out abuse?

[Professor]

This goes in the same box as that other stupid statement - "That if it just saves one life its worth doing."

Lets stop children climbing trees - if it just ..........

Lets make all cars incapable of travelling above 15 mph - If it just ..........

[Crazy Diamond]

But how do you know the ones complaining about ticket prices etc were the ones dishing out abuse?

 

Well, having sat in my seat for the games I have, which is now three, I have heard complaints about these things. You'll have to take my word for it. My general point though was really how it's a bit stupid to spend a lot of money to watch a game, and then not even watch it.

[Sour Mash]

You can always ask why a camera is being used and you have the right to an honest answer.

 

A few supporters went down to the officer concerned to do just that and were moved away. It wasn't just a "handful of yobs" that were annoyed by this officer's behaviour, but a vast majority of the Northam and Kingsland North stands. It was completely unnecessary and provocative. You wouldn't be happy if a policeman followed you around the shops with a camera, just in case you decided to steal something? So why should it be any different at the football. An absolute waste of tax-payers money.

[Sour Mash]

I believe you understand.

 

For clarification, most of the people around me weren't watching the game whilst the officer was filming, they were focusing their attention on him and weren't even aware what was going on in the game. I think this is a tad silly.

 

Well surely it is better that they're allowed to actually watch the game in peace rather than have a camera unnecessarily focused on them for a length of time?

[Joey-deacons-left-nut]

It's a public place, anyone can film anyone. Why on earth one bloke with a camera wound so many people up is beyond me. IF you really want to blame someone, blame the mongs who have been banged up for the pompey game. If we didn't cause trouble, there would be no reason to film!

 

 

Unfortunatly it's NOT a public place. Anyway, you're being filmed via all the CCTV in there anyway...

[Lord Duckhunter]

Until anyone knows the reason for the filming, then nobody can really say if it was justified or not.

[Sour Mash]

Until anyone knows the reason for the filming, then nobody can really say if it was justified or not.

 

Please give us an example of a justifiable reason for such an over the top level of filming?

[saint_bert]

So where abouts exactly was this officer situated?

 

Block?

 

Was there only 1?

[Alan56]

Was with Thripp 87 when he did indeed speak to the officer concerned after the game. He is almost certainly employed by Hants police as he very proudly stated that he goes to Poopy games and never gets the reaction there that he got on Sat at SMS. Can't see the MET covering all Hants games in all honesty.

 

Point of law. I remain interested to know whether any evidence the police obtain in the way that they did on Sat is actually admissable in Court. Good defence lawyers could drive a coach and horses through any evidence obtained in the way this would have been.

 

The guy made it very very clear he would be back at SMS and to be honest I think he seemed quite surprised at the hostile reception he got.

 

Personnally I thought it an appalling bit of policing that actually ran the risk of inciting trouble. The ground has surveillance cameras all around it as do all the approach roads so it really was unnecessary.

Tory cuts will not alter this approach. No, law enforcement will increasingly be done in this way with desk bound civilians mulling over film looking for villains. Take a look at road policing ....never see them actually challenge you in person anymore, just vans illegally parked on the side of roads (A43 just outside Northampton on Sat on rte to the game.)

 

It will all get worse but then as can be seen on here, the naiive amongst us will just bury their heads in the sand and think that our boys in blue are still like Dixon of Dock Green.

[saint_bert]

Was with Thripp 87 when he did indeed speak to the officer concerned after the game. He is almost certainly employed by Hants police as he very proudly stated that he goes to Poopy games and never gets the reaction there that he got on Sat at SMS. Can't see the MET covering all Hants games in all honesty.

 

Point of law. I remain interested to know whether any evidence the police obtain in the way that they did on Sat is actually admissable in Court. Good defence lawyers could drive a coach and horses through any evidence obtained in the way this would have been.

 

The guy made it very very clear he would be back at SMS and to be honest I think he seemed quite surprised at the hostile reception he got.

 

Personnally I thought it an appalling bit of policing that actually ran the risk of inciting trouble. The ground has surveillance cameras all around it as do all the approach roads so it really was unnecessary.

Tory cuts will not alter this approach. No, law enforcement will increasingly be done in this way with desk bound civilians mulling over film looking for villains. Take a look at road policing ....never see them actually challenge you in person anymore, just vans illegally parked on the side of roads (A43 just outside Northampton on Sat on rte to the game.)

 

It will all get worse but then as can be seen on here, the naiive amongst us will just bury their heads in the sand and think that our boys in blue are still like Dixon of Dock Green.

 

They probably think they will end up on the tele the poor loves

[Barry the Badger]

So where abouts exactly was this officer situated?

 

Block?

 

Was there only 1?

 

Just one, walked along the bottom of the Northam.

 

Personally, I joined in a few of the chants but more in a 'banter' sort of way rather than being particularly angry.

 

I didn't realise anybody was genuinely angry about it, just seemed like an excuse to sing a few songs at a policemen.

[Victor]

 

Maybe they should also start filming people coming out of mosques because they might be terrorists, I bet that would go down well.

 

They do. They use the pictures for training purposes:

 

"This photo is one of a terrorist. This photo, however, is one of a law-abiding Brazilian."

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Was with Thripp 87 when he did indeed speak to the officer concerned after the game. He is almost certainly employed by Hants police as he very proudly stated that he goes to Poopy games and never gets the reaction there that he got on Sat at SMS. Can't see the MET covering all Hants games in all honesty.

 

Point of law. I remain interested to know whether any evidence the police obtain in the way that they did on Sat is actually admissable in Court. Good defence lawyers could drive a coach and horses through any evidence obtained in the way this would have been.

 

The guy made it very very clear he would be back at SMS and to be honest I think he seemed quite surprised at the hostile reception he got.

 

Personnally I thought it an appalling bit of policing that actually ran the risk of inciting trouble. The ground has surveillance cameras all around it as do all the approach roads so it really was unnecessary.Tory cuts will not alter this approach. No, law enforcement will increasingly be done in this way with desk bound civilians mulling over film looking for villains. Take a look at road policing ....never see them actually challenge you in person anymore, just vans illegally parked on the side of roads (A43 just outside Northampton on Sat on rte to the game.)

 

It will all get worse but then as can be seen on here, the naiive amongst us will just bury their heads in the sand and think that our boys in blue are still like Dixon of Dock Green.

 

Why would it incite trouble though????? Why do people have such an issue with it? I couldn't give a **** about it, so why should anyone else. It seems so ridiculous that people get so annoyed at it. From now on, if anyone takes a photo at St Mary's that may or may not have me on it, I'm going to start hurling abuse at them. It may even incite trouble.

 

If you aint done nothing wrong, you shouldn't be bothered.

[Sour Mash]

Why would it incite trouble though????? Why do people have such an issue with it? I couldn't give a **** about it, so why should anyone else. It seems so ridiculous that people get so annoyed at it. From now on, if anyone takes a photo at St Mary's that may or may not have me on it, I'm going to start hurling abuse at them. It may even incite trouble.

 

If you aint done nothing wrong, you shouldn't be bothered.

 

So you wouldn't be bothered if someone followed you around a supermarket with a camera for example? Think most normal people would find it very annoying as they did with the policeman at St Mary's.

[Turkish]

Why would it incite trouble though????? Why do people have such an issue with it? I couldn't give a **** about it, so why should anyone else. It seems so ridiculous that people get so annoyed at it. From now on, if anyone takes a photo at St Mary's that may or may not have me on it, I'm going to start hurling abuse at them. It may even incite trouble.

 

If you aint done nothing wrong, you shouldn't be bothered.

 

I know what you are saying about if you aint done anything wrong etc but i was sitting in the Kingsland north on saturday, minding my own business and not causing any trouble with no camera aimed at me, but it did annoy me that there was a copper stood there filming for ages. Some people did get a bit to annoyed and started to remostrate with the police which is just plain silly in my eyes as all they will achieve is getting nicked or ejected, but it was antagonising a lot of people. I dont know or care why the police felt the need to film for so long, although i guess its part of the Echo sponsored crack down on our supposed hooligan element, but it was but it was provoking the crowd and winding people up, which is surely not what they are there to do.

Edited 23 August, 2010 by Turkish

[CanadaSaint]

About this muppet with the camera I asked him after the game, (he was near st marys street corner) why he was filiming? He said to identify potential trouble makers as saints have started to cause more trouble away from home.

 

I'm in the group favouring zero tolerance but there's something strange about this.

 

A fair number of our posters go to away games regularly, and we normally hear about it PDQ if there were any problems before/at/after a game.

 

I don't recall hearing about any significant incidents in the past year - and certainly not any escalation in problems involving Saints fans.

 

So, are the police right, or are they "inventing" this problem?

 

You have to wonder what's going on here - especially when it was police stupidity that sewed the seeds for the problems after the Pompey game.

[Sour Mash]

I'm in the group favouring zero tolerance but there's something strange about this.

 

A fair number of our posters go to away games regularly, and we normally hear about it PDQ if there were any problems before/at/after a game.

 

I don't recall hearing about any significant incidents in the past year - and certainly not any escalation in problems involving Saints fans.

 

So, are the police right, or are they "inventing" this problem?

 

You have to wonder what's going on here - especially when it was police stupidity that sewed the seeds for the problems after the Pompey game.

 

There are a lot of police officers that earn a lot of money out of very easy over-time with the football, it doesn't do them any harm at all to hype up the problems relating to games, much easier and more fun for them to bully a load of tax payers trying to watch a game of football than dealing with a crack head burgler I'm afraid.

[RedWillie]

those that were genuinely put out by the actions then just make an official complaint. They are duty bound to investigate all complaints and then you will get a reason why it happened....just a thought but at least you'll get a response. Just phone up and they have to record it......

[Whitey Grandad]

If you aint done nothing wrong, you shouldn't be bothered.

Oh, you naive youth.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

So you wouldn't be bothered if someone followed you around a supermarket with a camera for example? Think most normal people would find it very annoying as they did with the policeman at St Mary's.

 

I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I wouldn't care, I'm filmed as soon as I enter a supermarket anyway. I think the issue is it is annoying, but mildly annoying. It's 'annoying' being breathalised by police, but it doesn't cause me to perhaps kick off at them as they're there to stop people irresponsible enough to drink and drive. Would you prefer the police to instead man every turnstile and take photos of people entering the stadium?

 

I can't believe people think this behaviour is unreasonable enough to incite trouble. People need to chill out and grow up.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Oh, you naive youth.

 

Expand on this point please?

[Whitey Grandad]

I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I wouldn't care, I'm filmed as soon as I enter a supermarket anyway. I think the issue is it is annoying, but mildly annoying. It's 'annoying' being breathalised by police, but it doesn't cause me to perhaps kick off at them as they're there to stop people irresponsible enough to drink and drive. Would you prefer the police to instead man every turnstile and take photos of people entering the stadium?

 

I can't believe people think this behaviour is unreasonable enough to incite trouble. People need to chill out and grow up.

 

It makes everyone a suspect, even those who have previously been law-abiding. It means that we are not trusted to behave ourselves. I thought I had left all that behind when I left school.

[Deppo]

I am a police officer and I have been reviewing the footage over the past few days. As we found nothing of note, we usually sell the footage on to a third party so as to offset our costs. This particular film was requested by a gay porn company who are making a football-themed film. They said that they are going to use CGI trickery to make it look like you are all being bummed in by big black men. It will be sold mainly in the USA, where it will be bought and masturbated over by homosexual twinks. So it's ok, you can stop whinging now. It's not going to be used by us "c**ts at the old bill" to tell you off or given to the government to be used as part of a 1984-style dictatorship.

[Um Bongo]

Unfortunatly it's NOT a public place. Anyway, you're being filmed via all the CCTV in there anyway...

 

Erm it is a public place.

 

A public place is generally an indoor or outdoor area, whether privately or publicly owned, to which the public have access by right or by invitation, expressed or implied, whether by payment of money or not.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

It makes everyone a suspect, even those who have previously been law-abiding. It means that we are not trusted to behave ourselves. I thought I had left all that behind when I left school.

 

Yep, and when I was at Burnley, Charlton and Portsmouth that was proved wasn't it? And it doesn't make everyone a suspect. It makes everyone that does something wrong a suspect. If you do nothing wrong you won't be charged. Remember, it's on film and they have to prove you've done something wrong.

[Whitey Grandad]

Expand on this point please?

 

There are plenty of cases of innocent people being accused, charged and banged up on the flimsiest of evidence. Sometimes just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, sometimes just for resembling a known wrongdoer. Just wait until they knock on your door one evening and invite you to help them with their enquiries.

 

Ian Tomlinson had done nothing wrong either....

[Whitey Grandad]

Yep, and when I was at Burnley, Charlton and Portsmouth that was proved wasn't it? And it doesn't make everyone a suspect. It makes everyone that does something wrong a suspect. If you do nothing wrong you won't be charged. Remember, it's on film and they have to prove you've done something wrong.

 

I was kept inside the ground for over an hour at Portsmouth. I shall never get that hour back. The violence outside was between locals and I know of no Saints supporters who were involved. I could have left the ground like everybody else and I would have blended in but instead when we were finally released from 'custody' it was obvious that we were all Saints's supporters. In over 40 years of following football I have never witnessed or been involved in any form of violence. I do not want my photograph taken without permission.

 

If you don't think that this behaviour is liable to incite then I invite you to stand with a video camera on any street corner in any city in the world where there are underprivileged minorities and see how long you last.

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

The filming is always provocative and I find very confrontational. I think you will find that people would be just as angry at a rugby, cricket or even Polo. It amplifies the them and us status between football supporters and Police Officers.

 

As somebody else mentioned, an individual Copper may be OK but in 2010 as an organisation the Police Force is incapable of identifying good and bad and recognising right and wrong.

[Deppo]

I was kept inside the ground for over an hour at Portsmouth. I shall never get that hour back.

 

More fool you. I rang up the club and they refunded me that hour. I used it later that same week, playing Screwball Scramble with my mate, Pete.

[ericofarabia]

If you don't think that this behaviour is liable to incite then I invite you to stand with a video camera on any street corner in any city in the world where there are underprivileged minorities and see how long you last.

 

Do this in an area of high crime rate which has say a high ethnic majority and it would most definitely be seen as racial discrimination and lead to possible rioting!! LOL now I'm stereotyping!!

 

I'm a pretty passive person with nothing to hide from the authorities, and luckily was back in row BB, but had I been nearer the front I'd certainly have felt the need to go and ask why I and my kids were being filmed, and also having my view blocked and concentration on the match disturbed by some goon pointing a video camera at me.

 

The only good side were some of the chants - a nice change to have some spontaneous humour!!

 

I remember a few years ago they did it to try and force people to sit down, so people started to wear brown paper bags with eyes cut out. Admittedly it was when Redkrap was around and there was a plentiful supply of brown paper bags, but maybe we should all take one along to the next game!!

[Whitey Grandad]

More fool you. I rang up the club and they refunded me that hour. I used it later that same week, playing Screwball Scramble with my mate, Pete.

 

So it was you who stole my hour! I demand it back (with interest). One day I might need it.

[RonManager]

So it was you who stole my hour! I demand it back (with interest). One day I might need it.

 

He's only gone and put it on Ebay!!!

[rocknrollman no2]

I think it is only right that if football players can demand money for their image rights,then as a football fan i can ask for money if the police take my picture.

I will be sending a bill to Hampshire constabulary and i hope the police continue to film me at the next home match,thus earning me more dosh.

[Kingsland Nick]

those that were genuinely put out by the actions then just make an official complaint. They are duty bound to investigate all complaints and then you will get a reason why it happened....just a thought but at least you'll get a response. Just phone up and they have to record it......

 

and they will record your name and other details on the police computer as a suspected hooligan

[Jeff Le Taxi]

nobody had a go at me when i filmed people after the pompey match and sent the video to the police, so why get so angry about this?

 

Agree it seems a strange thing for the police to do, but also seems a strange reaction from everyone else. If someone filmed me, i'd just think it was strange rather than make me angry.

 

 

 

wtf!!

[Whitey Grandad]

Cameras steal you souls. Surely you knew that?

 

http://photo.net/philosophy-of-photography-forum/00DnuX

[scott_saints]

Hang on, people were actually angry about this? PMSL.

 

Don't get me wrong, I may have given the policeman a few gestures and stood right infront of him filming and asking him to smile (he didn't )....... but it was only a bit of banter as he gave me an excuse to do so. lol @ people who are angry about it.