Barry the Badger Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Fair enough, makes sense. Lets hope you are right. I bloody hope so!!! I want us out of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Nope. Would settle with a new CM (or Goolie turning out to be good) and cover for Rickie. Between Puncheon and A O-C hopefully we can hold our own on RM, even if it needs a substitution every game. Would prefer that someone is brought in there though. Realistically where are we going to get a backup for Lambert - Good Stikers are like Rocking Horse **** and they need to play regularly to keep sharp and probably would want to play in higher than League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Realistically where are we going to get a backup for Lambert - Good Stikers are like Rocking Horse **** and they need to play regularly to keep sharp and probably would want to play in higher than League 1 I think we are more likely to end up with a loan here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 We never spread the play either. I think we did it once in the whole match. At one point, everyone had drifted to the right side of the pitch with a huge gap on the left. We broke forwards and the guy with the ball had to wait for someone to run into the space on the left and the move broke down. We are so ridiculously easy to defend against. Close us down quickly and we have no answer. Our solution is to fire balls aimlessly into the box which is a piece of p*ss for the invariably massive CB to head away. Why when we are so good at playing football on the deck to we feel the need to launch it at every opportunity? IMO that comes from Pardew. Agreed, exactly what I've been on about for ages We CAN play good football Pardew does not want to ... WHY NOT ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Agreed, exactly what I've been on about for ages We CAN play good football Pardew does not want to ... WHY NOT ??? It is because he listens to the people on this site who think the only way to get out of league 1 is to play hoofball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Agreed, exactly what I've been on about for ages We CAN play good football Pardew does not want to ... WHY NOT ??? AAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!! Pardew is not telling the team to play hoofball!! The first two league games we have come out and played brilliant football, on the deck, knocking it wide, getting crosses in, intricate passing etc etc for the first half hour at least. Then as the game has gone on we have gradually resorted to longer balls upfield. Does that not suggest to you that Pardew is telling the team to play passing football but as the players get frustrated they are losing their way? Pardew has spoken after both games about the need for the team to stay patient and keep playing their football. After the Bolton game he even said he took Lambert off to DISCOURAGE the team from playing long balls into the box. Please please get it out of your head that Pardew is telling the team to play long ball. It flies in the face of all the evidence in front of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanowl Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 My guess would be they don't. We're the biggest spenders, transfers and wages, by a mile. By an absolute mile. Our wage budget has been cut from just over £6.5m to £5.5m this season. I don't know if yours is higher than that? That's why I was asking! Do you know the figure? Huddersfield won't be far off either. Alan Lee has signed for them today too. There's no doubt your the biggest spenders transfer wise though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Our wage budget has been cut from just over £6.5m to £5.5m this season. I don't know if yours is higher than that? That's why I was asking! Do you know the figure? Huddersfield won't be far off either. Alan Lee has signed for them today too. There's no doubt your the biggest spenders transfer wise though! Alan Lee will be a decent signing for them. THe problem is half of our fans are deluded, thinking everyone is queuing up to join us, people saying we can sign who we want, can spend what we want, have to have 3 quality players in each positon and one person even said we were a more attractive proposition for James Beattie than Glasgow Rangers FFS, somes how idiotic some of the posts on here are. They seem to forget we are a L1 club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 AAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!! Pardew is not telling the team to play hoofball!! The first two league games we have come out and played brilliant football, on the deck, knocking it wide, getting crosses in, intricate passing etc etc for the first half hour at least. Then as the game has gone on we have gradually resorted to longer balls upfield. Does that not suggest to you that Pardew is telling the team to play passing football but as the players get frustrated they are losing their way? Pardew has spoken after both games about the need for the team to stay patient and keep playing their football. After the Bolton game he even said he took Lambert off to DISCOURAGE the team from playing long balls into the box. Please please get it out of your head that Pardew is telling the team to play long ball. It flies in the face of all the evidence in front of us. Bloody hell, that's the best post I've seen on here for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Our solution is to fire balls aimlessly into the box which is a piece of p*ss for the invariably massive CB to head away. Why when we are so good at playing football on the deck to we feel the need to launch it at every opportunity? IMO that comes from Pardew. Agreed, exactly what I've been on about for ages We CAN play good football Pardew does not want to ... WHY NOT ??? To quote AP after the Bolton match "I took Rickie off on purpose becuase I didn't want us hitting angled ball and high balls in to the box like we did on saturday and trying to force a goal. We wanted to play through them which we did a couple of times." It appears Ap agrees with you two......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Is that meant to be contradictory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Does make you wonder what pre-season was all about though. I don't understand our pre-season strategy. Be interesting to see what pre-season games we played the last time we got off to a flyer, if records go back that far. It would neither prove nor disprove anything, but would be interesting. NB: I'm too lazy to research it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 AAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!! Pardew is not telling the team to play hoofball!! The first two league games we have come out and played brilliant football, on the deck, knocking it wide, getting crosses in, intricate passing etc etc for the first half hour at least. Then as the game has gone on we have gradually resorted to longer balls upfield. Does that not suggest to you that Pardew is telling the team to play passing football but as the players get frustrated they are losing their way? Pardew has spoken after both games about the need for the team to stay patient and keep playing their football. After the Bolton game he even said he took Lambert off to DISCOURAGE the team from playing long balls into the box. Please please get it out of your head that Pardew is telling the team to play long ball. It flies in the face of all the evidence in front of us. Sense! Agreed, exactly what I've been on about for ages We CAN play good football Pardew does not want to ... WHY NOT ??? Nonsense Is that meant to be contradictory? I believe it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 I don't understand our pre-season strategy. Be interesting to see what pre-season games we played the last time we got off to a flyer, if records go back that far. It would neither prove nor disprove anything, but would be interesting. NB: I'm too lazy to research it. I just hope next June, when there is no World Cup, that people either STFU or stop and think before slagging off those who criticise that the club essentially goes to sleep for two months and does f**k all about transfers and team preparation for the new season until the beginning of August, because we clearly have got it wrong as it stands today.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanowl Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Alan Lee will be a decent signing for them. THe problem is half of our fans are deluded, thinking everyone is queuing up to join us, people saying we can sign who we want, can spend what we want, have to have 3 quality players in each positon and one person even said we were a more attractive proposition for James Beattie than Glasgow Rangers FFS, somes how idiotic some of the posts on here are. They seem to forget we are a L1 club. You're not alone. We have the exact same problem on our forum with regards to players. Lee will be a decent signing for them. He's a handful and will definitely cause problems for defenders in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Alan Lee will be a decent signing for them. THe problem is half of our fans are deluded, thinking everyone is queuing up to join us, people saying we can sign who we want, can spend what we want, have to have 3 quality players in each positon and one person even said we were a more attractive proposition for James Beattie than Glasgow Rangers FFS, somes how idiotic some of the posts on here are. They seem to forget we are a L1 club. Do you reckon we should have gone for Lee ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Fair enough, makes sense. Lets hope you are right. Does make you wonder what pre-season was all about though. Do you think maybe it was mostly about Markus L getting on last look at us in Switzerland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Do you think maybe it was mostly about Markus L getting on last look at us in Switzerland? It might have played a small role, yes. But my understanding was that he nearly made it to the Plymouth game. It just seems odd that we were doing things like playing Pulis in pre-season games when I have more chance of turning out against Rovers than him, and that we barely played our starting XI (or those fit) together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Do you reckon we should have gone for Lee ? He'll score some goals at this level but will probably be on a fair whack. And I'd speculate that, having come down from the Championship, he will expect to start every game which isn't going to happen with us. My Palace supporting mates are absolutely delighted to be rid of him as they think he's thoroughly useless. I know it's one division up, but he's consistently scored less than 10 goals a season at that level so I don't think we're missing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tartanowl Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 He'll score some goals at this level but will probably be on a fair whack. And I'd speculate that, having come down from the Championship, he will expect to start every game which isn't going to happen with us. My Palace supporting mates are absolutely delighted to be rid of him as they think he's thoroughly useless. I know it's one division up, but he's consistently scored less than 10 goals a season at that level so I don't think we're missing out. Lee's game isn't about his goals. His game is about his physical presence, strength and prowess in the air. He will be handful for every defence in the league this season. He probably wouldn't start for us or you at Southampton but he's still a very good signing for this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Lee's game isn't about his goals. His game is about his physical presence, strength and prowess in the air. He will be handful for every defence in the league this season. He probably wouldn't start for us or you at Southampton but he's still a very good signing for this level. I know what type of player he is, I've seen him many times. Which is why I say there would be no point in us going for him, he wouldn't start for us and would just be a backup for Lambert, and being as he's been playing in the Championship I would assume he's looking only for first team football at this level so with that in mind any approach from us would be a non-starter anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Lee's game isn't about his goals. His game is about his physical presence, strength and prowess in the air. He will be handful for every defence in the league this season. He probably wouldn't start for us or you at Southampton but he's still a very good signing for this level. When we got relegated from the Premier, Lee signed for Ipswich? mid season and I thought he was perfection for the CCC or league 1. I don't know how quick he is now, but put the right balls into him and I fail to see it not being rewarded. Excellent signing if fit. Our wages for our last year in the CCC, for the footballing side was about £6.25M. In our first year in League 1, I would guess we added about £2-2.5M to that, scouts, players, Pardews team etc. This year that should come down a bit, depending upon how many players we sign within the windows. We did have funding to support a change of manager this season, but I would not be 100% if that is still available (not that I was 100% in the first place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Do you reckon we should have gone for Lee ? He'd have been a decent option to have, not sure if he'd have wanted to come here being second choice to Lambert though. Personally i thought we should have gone for Ben Burgess when Blackpool released him, would have been a good player to have as cover for Lambert. Not first 11 but a handful at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 Here's my Palace supporting mate's withering assessment of Alan Lee, when I suggested he'll probably score against Saints.... "You're bad if he does. I'm absolutely delighted he's gone. £300K in the coffers (should pay for David's wages!). The crazy fools offered him a 3 year contract on more than he was getting at Palace. He's 32 and sh1te for God's sake!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 AAAAAAAARRRRGHHHHH!!! Pardew is not telling the team to play hoofball!! The first two league games we have come out and played brilliant football, on the deck, knocking it wide, getting crosses in, intricate passing etc etc for the first half hour at least. Then as the game has gone on we have gradually resorted to longer balls upfield. Does that not suggest to you that Pardew is telling the team to play passing football but as the players get frustrated they are losing their way? Pardew has spoken after both games about the need for the team to stay patient and keep playing their football. After the Bolton game he even said he took Lambert off to DISCOURAGE the team from playing long balls into the box. Please please get it out of your head that Pardew is telling the team to play long ball. It flies in the face of all the evidence in front of us. It is comforting to know that Pardew's only "tactic" to stop HIS Team playing long balls at the opposing defence, is to take Lambert OFF Why not TELL the Team, from pitchside, it's not Rocket Science ....... oh I suppose it is to Pardew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 We never spread the play either. I think we did it once in the whole match. At one point, everyone had drifted to the right side of the pitch with a huge gap on the left. We broke forwards and the guy with the ball had to wait for someone to run into the space on the left and the move broke down. We are so ridiculously easy to defend against. Close us down quickly and we have no answer. Our solution is to fire balls aimlessly into the box which is a piece of p*ss for the invariably massive CB to head away. Why when we are so good at playing football on the deck to we feel the need to launch it at every opportunity? IMO that comes from Pardew. 100% correct. Why isn't anyone else spotting this massive thing happening on the pitch every game. Every set play we are stood in a huddle 3feet from each other with no outlet to pass to IF the ball happens to drop to one of our players. It is totally moronic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 26 August, 2010 Share Posted 26 August, 2010 He'd have been a decent option to have, not sure if he'd have wanted to come here being second choice to Lambert though. Personally i thought we should have gone for Ben Burgess when Blackpool released him, would have been a good player to have as cover for Lambert. Not first 11 but a handful at this level. This It just makes me wonder about Burgess though, he has gone from a promotion season in the CCC to a team in League 1 who IMO have no chance of promotion and not a lot of money, to me that speaks volumes, if he was good enough he would have gone eslewhere. Lee is the sort of player that would be great as backup, but they are just not going to come here. If i am honest i still think 451 is the way forward for us, and go to 442 if we need to, Barnard has proved to me he is good enough at this level, when he puts one away they will start flowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 (edited) It is comforting to know that Pardew's only "tactic" to stop HIS Team playing long balls at the opposing defence, is to take Lambert OFF Why not TELL the Team, from pitchside, it's not Rocket Science ....... oh I suppose it is to Pardew But the thing is, to use a well worn phrase on here, "this is not football manager". AP cannot just set his team to 'short passing' from the touchline and suddenly everything is ok. Football players are human beings, and at this level they will react in the same way as other human beings in all walks of life. Under pressure they will lose their composure, start to panic, and forget what they have been told. When he took off Lambert, I'm sure he had been trying to get the message across but it was not working and the players were still panicking. Pardew clearly felt he needed to bring Lambert off to discourage this. My point was that he is obviously not advocating the long ball game, and your continual insistence that he likes hoofball is completely ridiculous. Edited 29 August, 2010 by Barry the Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davej27 Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 Reality Check! 4 nil win away from home normal service resumed. All about averaging 2 points per game until final push at end of season, That means we are only 2 points from this average. We are just starting to get into our stride COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 29 August, 2010 Share Posted 29 August, 2010 Another poster who is taking all this soooo seriously. Please just wallow in your own misery while we enjoy the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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