Official Statement from Cortese about future

[dune]

Quite.

 

The references to "outside parties" in that statement is childish and worrying.

 

Let's not forget that included in that group of "outside parties" is one Matthew Le Tissier, who Cortese has decided has no place commenting on Southampton Football Club as we learnt over the summer. Let's not forget that he is the one carrying out pointless bans that gain the club nothing. He's the bully, not the bullied.

 

There's plenty of you who have decided that Cortese can do nothing wrong and is incapable of making an incorrect decision. Well bully for you.

 

 

As far as I am concerned this season should be about Southampton Football Club trying to get promoted by winning football matches.

 

Not Southampton Football club versus every single media outlet, the Football League, anyone who ever expresses any opinion and almost anyone that isn't Nicola Cortese.

 

Too much energy wasted on pointless pursuits.

 

I agree with all that you have said. The statement Cortese issued was ruined by those comments. There was no need for Cortese to use that comunication to launch a missile back in his tit for tat war with the press. Make no mistake that comment wasn't meant for us, it was meant for Fleet street and after the tragic event of Markus's death he should have shown some respect and kept the statement diplomatic and looked to rebuild some bridges.

[CB Fry]

You seem to have forgotten what Cortese actually said. Le Tissier really shouldn't have made his comments when it was a question posed on unsubstantiated rumours. Matt should have told the journalist exactly that and made no comment on the Pardew situation.

 

 

MLT works for the media as a commentator. Of course he can comment on what the hell he likes, and I remember all he said was "stick with Pardew". This is the real world, not a computer game. If Cortese can't hack the gnat's p*ss of media scrutiny in League one then he isn't cut out for British football full stop.

[Tractor_Saint]

Is it a bit OTT to ask for a song tomorrow for Cortese? Come on, the guys been through a lot and seems appropriate to let him know that he's not the big bad wolf at this moment in time and we are behind him?

 

# Cortese give us a wave, Cortese tese give us a wave ...

 

Come on you songwriters

Edited 20 August, 2010 by Tractor_Saint

[dune]

i was gonna mention those two

 

What i'm saying is right though. That statement should have been positive and respectful. It failed on both counts.

[NickG]

"I can confirm to our supporters that ownership of Southampton Football Club shall remain solely within Markus' family's personal interests" - Nicola Cortese .

 

 

No one with even a ounce of sensitivity would want to bother the Liebherr family at this exceptionally difficult time , but it has to be said that tonight we don't really know which specific member (or members) of the extended Liebherr family actually owns our club . As dedicated supporters of this great club it's surely not out of order for SFC fans to wonder who really is 'at the helm' of their club and to ask what course they intend to steer .

 

In the fullness of time I hope the club come out with a unambiguous official statement clearly detailing what the precise ownership arrangements of Southampton Football Club now are .

 

It remains my opinion that it is important that information of that nature should be a matter of record for all sporting clubs .

 

Cortesse is it the helm

[NickG]

Quite.

 

The references to "outside parties" in that statement is childish and worrying.

 

Let's not forget that included in that group of "outside parties" is one Matthew Le Tissier, who Cortese has decided has no place commenting on Southampton Football Club as we learnt over the summer. Let's not forget that he is the one carrying out pointless bans that gain the club nothing. He's the bully, not the bullied.

 

There's plenty of you who have decided that Cortese can do nothing wrong and is incapable of making an incorrect decision. Well bully for you.

 

 

As far as I am concerned this season should be about Southampton Football Club trying to get promoted by winning football matches.

 

Not Southampton Football club versus every single media outlet, the Football League, anyone who ever expresses any opinion and almost anyone that isn't Nicola Cortese.

 

Too much energy wasted on pointless pursuits.

 

reminder from another club forum:

On May 4th, the Mail headed to the Hampshire coast and picked out Southampton for their attention. They claimed that Saints boss Alan Pardew was on his way out, starting their article with "Alan Pardew is fighting to cling on to his job at Southampton" and claiming he was collecting his P45 when they captioned his photo: "P45: Alan Pardew was given hansom finance in January as Southampton pushed for the playoffs. We're not quite sure what "hamsom finance" is - a "hamsom" is a 19th Century horse drawn carriage - go figure!

 

Later that same day, the Southampton Daily Echo, apparently without any additional information or source material, repeated the same suggestion that Pardew was out on his ear, citing the Mail's suggestion that Chairman Nicola Cortese was unhappy with the club "only" finishing 7th this season - a fairly nonsensical suggestion given that Pardew was fresh from bringing home the Johnstone's Paint Trophy, and would have got into the play-offs were it not for Southampton going into administration and almost folding last summer.

 

This didn't stop the now mutual pairing of the Mail and the Daily Echo, who were now working in tandem. By May 12th, the Daily Mail had claimed that Pardew "is expected to leave the club today after being summoned to a meeting with chairman Nicola Cortese". They even roped in another poor unwitting club and manager into the equation, claiming that Notts County were about to lose their manager Steve Cotterill to St Mary's, only a week after guiding them to the League Two title. Meanwhile the Echo contacted Matt Le Tissier, Lawrie McMenemy, Francis Benali and even Mrs Miggins down at the local street cafe (OK we may have made that bit up) to ask them their opinion of this imminent sacking. This was D-Day, he was going to be gone on Wednesday, and the truth was going to be out!

 

Except that instead, there was total silence. No statement from St Mary's. Nothing on their official site, so what had happened? All hail the Southampton Daily Echo and the Daily Mail who revealed that talks between Pardew and Cortese had been postponed until Thursday. The sacking would take place then, and according to the reliable Mail, Pardew had been "given a stay of execution as Southampton boss as talks postponed".

 

Except that they hadn't been postponed. The one reliable and factual bit in this farce was that Pardew and Cortese were actually meeting. And they still met on Wednesday as planned. And rather like all good Football Managers and Chairmen around this time of the season, they talked about planning for next season. This morning a statement on the Saints official site gave a very detailed analysis of Southampton's past, present and future penned by Cortese and stated that:

 

"Yesterday I completed a thorough review of the First Team with Alan and we are clear and agreed on our plans and objectives for the coming season. Although getting the football side right is a serious business, Alan and I have a lot of fun doing it and we are developing a mutual trust."

 

But wait! Where is the sacking that the Mail and the Echo claimed was forthcoming? Cortese had a few words to say about that:

 

"In recent days, there has been much speculation in some of the tabloid national and local press about the position of our First Team Manager, Alan Pardew. This speculation could be interpreted as a deliberate attempt to unsettle both the Club and Alan. Without exception it has been ill-informed. Our fans and staff should be reassured that I will only make decisions affecting our future based on sound football and business thinking and not on the whims of a local newspaper keen to maximise readership or pundits whose agendas are unclear. Furthermore, I will not respond to every piece of idle speculation. We have too much development work to do to waste time on such pursuits. As a local paper, I would have hoped that it would provide the local community with news, rather than gossip. However, I am not so naïve as to expect such speculation to stop."

 

So in other words, complete and utter bunkum from the Daily Mail and Daily Echo. But not before they'd managed to sucker the likes of the Daily Telegraph into belatedly joining in with the rumourmongering. You'd think at this stage that both papers - in particular the local rag - would be falling down on their knees to apologise to Alan Pardew, Nicola Cortese, Southampton FC, and most of all their fans for having created increasing anxiety over the situation.

 

But no, the Echo beligerantly writes that Cortese has "finally broken his silence" and attempts to firmly wash its hands of the situation claiming that the report "initially appeared in the national media". They also quote Cortese who criticises Le Tissier and McMenemy for getting involved by commenting on the situation with the article headlined as "Cortese Hits Out At Saints Legends". But conspicuous by its absence is any mention of the Saints Chairman's fairly cutting attack on the Echo itself. Not a word of the hammering they took in Southampton's statement. Equally, the Daily Mail headlines that "Southampton Insist Alan Pardew Is Staying Put" claiming that he has "has survived the sack" making absolutely no admission that they were the ones who started the whole thing off in the first place. It has to be said, when it comes to filling column inches, then starting and ending your own rumour is a great way to do it.

 

Needless to say, the Daily Echo is taking a bit of a battering from Saints fans today. And fair play to the unofficial Southampton Vital Site for sticking its neck out in the middle of it all, and before the club's official statement by putting a headline on the Vital site of "Southern Daily Echo Lies Again". For Saints fans, this hasn't just been the Silly Season - it's been the Downright Stupid Season. And we're not even a week into the summer break yet.

 

The moral of this tale is to show just how badly a national paper and a major regional paper can get something wrong. No matter how many times someone may say something on the rumourmill this summer, treat it with skepticism, treat it with caution. It might be true. But then again, it may be horse manure.

[Matthew Le God]

MLT works for the media as a commentator. Of course he can comment on what the hell he likes, and I remember all he said was "stick with Pardew". This is the real world, not a computer game. If Cortese can't hack the gnat's p*ss of media scrutiny in League one then he isn't cut out for British football full stop.

 

I refer you to NickG's post above.

[NickG]

Here is Cortesse's statement in full, which folklore has now changed to be saying the MLT is the son of the devil!!

 

 

It was a proud moment for Markus and me when we acquired ownership of this great football club and the pace of positive change over the last ten months has been impressive.

 

First, and very importantly, we stabilised the Club on and off the pitch and began to provide the business with the direction it had lacked for so long. I have since appointed a new First Team Manager, strengthened the playing squad and, more recently, established a Football Development and Support Centre.

 

Behind the scenes a huge amount of work is being carried out to improve every facet of the Club's operations.

 

Reflecting on the season just ended, we finished 7th in League One, thereby missing out on the play-offs which was obviously disappointing despite the ten point deduction. Nevertheless, we made good progress, particularly in the second half of the season, and we won the Johnstone's Paint Trophy on a special day at the home of world football.

 

In recent days, there has been much speculation in some of the tabloid national and local press about the position of our First Team Manager, Alan Pardew. This speculation could be interpreted as a deliberate attempt to unsettle both the Club and Alan. Without exception it has been ill-informed.

 

In addition to this, various figures with past associations to the Club have been quick to voice their opinions, among them a long time former manager, and former players, one of whom was associated with a so-called consortium which delayed for an important few weeks last summer our plans to stabilise the Club.

 

These commentators are each entitled to their opinions of course. However, I must tell them that running a major football club such as Southampton is a rather different matter from writing about doing so. I am sure that readers of this message will reach their own conclusions.

 

One of my early actions was to eradicate the politics that had cast a shadow over Southampton for so long. However, it seems that those same people are trying to continue behind the scenes. I can assure the supporters of Southampton Football Club that I will not be influenced or driven by people who seek to harm the Club in the pursuit of personal agendas - whoever they are.

 

Our fans and staff should be reassured that I will only make decisions affecting our future based on sound football and business thinking and not on the whims of a local newspaper keen to maximise readership or pundits whose agendas are unclear. Furthermore, I will not respond to every piece of idle speculation. We have too much development work to do to waste time on such pursuits, and my time is dedicated to that work.

 

As a local paper, I would have hoped that it would provide the local community with news, rather than gossip. However, I am not so naïve as to expect such speculation to stop.

 

I spoke in January of how I feel this Club to be my baby. Southampton Football Club has been my way of life for over a year now and I have seen what started as my vision for this Club begin to develop into reality. I will continue to follow my principles with the same conviction, vision and ambition that I applied when I attracted a meaningful source of finance to save the Club and take it forward, and will not be deterred from that.

 

So, for the avoidance of any doubt, our policies and decisions will only be made by me and the Club's Executive Committee and only in the interests of the Club as a whole. This is our guiding principle.

 

Yesterday I completed a thorough review of the First Team with Alan and we are clear and agreed on our plans and objectives for the coming season. Any significant developments affecting the First Team will, as usual, be announced in a timely way on the Club website.

 

We will also be making announcements soon via the website on season tickets, match tickets and packages, together with news on the new home kit, which next season will not carry the name of a commercial sponsor.

 

Beyond next season, reaching the Premier League remains our stated and primary objective. We are also committed to developing a style of play that is compelling to watch - a style that ultimately becomes known as the Southampton Style. Inevitably, this will take time, patience and diligent application, but everything we are doing is geared to achieving this. To get there will require open minds, expertise and clear thinking and we have that.

 

Both Alan and I share these objectives and targets. Although getting the football side right is a serious business, Alan and I have a lot of fun doing it and we are developing a mutual trust.

 

We also intend to devote meaningful resources to developing our own playing talent and to have a seamless approach to our football from the youngest players through to the First Team.

 

In the business, our executive management has been strengthened and our staff numbers have been increased. We will soon start on the work to turn our training ground into a state-of-the-art facility. The new Football Development and Support Centre is beginning to take shape. Further physical enhancements are soon to start within the stadium.

 

There will be an array of commercial initiatives designed to strengthen the Club and give improved service to our fans and customers. In fact, every aspect of the Club is now subject to a programme of continuous improvement.

 

Everyone at the Club will now be working hard to prepare for a critical new season in which expectations across the fans, our staff, the management and the owner will be high - mine and Alan's included.

 

I would like to take this opportunity to thank our staff throughout the Club for their tireless efforts during a very demanding time for all concerned. May I also wish you all a great summer as we look forward to the new season and further success for the Saints.

[Thedelldays]

I know I have said it...but I have no respect what so ever with any of the red tops.....reason being..one of them purposely manipulated photos to make it look like UK service personnel were abusing PoWs.........

 

one of them has the fecking cheek to claim themselves as the "forces paper".....fuk off...

 

tossers...the lot of them

[NickG]

not quite the character assassination of our hero some often suggest.

[CB Fry]

I refer you to NickG's post above.

 

 

What about it. It doesn't say anything we don't already know, and there is a hell of a lot more to that story than the GCSE interpretation you and NickG have swallowed whole - Echo wrong, Cortese right. I know you are a big fan of the official site, but some of us are looking for a wider perspective than some video interview with the kitman, and anodyne corporate guff press releases.

 

Anyway, there is nothing in NickG's post above that says what you say, which is that Matt Le Tissier shouldn't be able to comment any issue he sees fit to comment on regarding SFC.

 

MLT, and anyone for that matter, can say what the hell they like about SFC. And Matt Le Tissier has earned that right.

[NickG]

as Cortesse said - they are entitled to their opinion and also says they are ill-informed.

 

The truth? Who knows but Pardew is still here.

[CB Fry]

Here is Cortesse's statement in full, which folklore has now changed to be saying the MLT is the son of the devil!!

 

.....

In recent days, there has been much speculation in some of the tabloid national and local press about the position of our First Team Manager, Alan Pardew. This speculation could be interpreted as a deliberate attempt to unsettle both the Club and Alan. Without exception it has been ill-informed.

 

In addition to this, various figures with past associations to the Club have been quick to voice their opinions, among them a long time former manager, and former players, one of whom was associated with a so-called consortium which delayed for an important few weeks last summer our plans to stabilise the Club.

 

These commentators are each entitled to their opinions of course. However, I must tell them that running a major football club such as Southampton is a rather different matter from writing about doing so. I am sure that readers of this message will reach their own conclusions.

 

One of my early actions was to eradicate the politics that had cast a shadow over Southampton for so long. However, it seems that those same people are trying to continue behind the scenes. I can assure the supporters of Southampton Football Club that I will not be influenced or driven by people who seek to harm the Club in the pursuit of personal agendas - whoever they are.

 

Our fans and staff should be reassured that I will only make decisions affecting our future based on sound football and business thinking and not on the whims of a local newspaper keen to maximise readership or pundits whose agendas are unclear. Furthermore, I will not respond to every piece of idle speculation. We have too much development work to do to waste time on such pursuits, and my time is dedicated to that work.

 

As a local paper, I would have hoped that it would provide the local community with news, rather than gossip. However, I am not so naïve as to expect such speculation to stop.

 

I spoke in January of how I feel this Club to be my baby. Southampton Football Club has been my way of life for over a year now and I have seen what started as my vision for this Club begin to develop into reality. I will continue to follow my principles with the same conviction, vision and ambition that I applied when I attracted a meaningful source of finance to save the Club and take it forward, and will not be deterred from that.

 

So, for the avoidance of any doubt, our policies and decisions will only be made by me and the Club's Executive Committee and only in the interests of the Club as a whole. This is our guiding principle.

 

Yesterday I completed a thorough review of the First Team with Alan and we are clear and agreed on our plans and objectives for the coming season. Any significant developments affecting the First Team will, as usual, be announced in a timely way on the Club website.

 

.......

 

 

Not sure where you are getting this "folklore" from, but it isn't anything I've said. Nice try though.

 

I refer you back to my previous statement - if Cortese can't hack the gnats p*s* of scrunity from managing a league one club without releasing bleating statements about "his baby" and how horrid people are being simply frightful then god help him in the Premier League.

Edited 20 August, 2010 by CB Fry

[NickG]

maybe not you, not suggesting it was, but sure we all know who.

[CB Fry]

as Cortesse said - they are entitled to their opinion and also says they are ill-informed.

 

The truth? Who knows but Pardew is still here.

 

 

While at the same time he is doing all he can to stop the media reporting anything, or speaking to anyone at the club anymore by controlling photographer access and press conference attendance.

 

Obviously because the rumours were just made up by the media on the bus into work.

[hypochondriac]

Pardew was going to be sacked. That's what was going to happen until Cortese changed his mind.

[Thedelldays]

cortese is not perfect...far from it...I wish lowe would stop talking to the bloody press...now we have one that does not want to and it is a problem..?

ok, maybe the way he has gone about it has annoyed some fans..I get that...

 

IMO, what he brings to the table...the positives far out do the negatives....so I for one, will sit back and see how all this plays out and let what happens behind the scenes actually happen without the need to know who and when and where everyone takes a dump

[Thedelldays]

While at the same time he is doing all he can to stop the media reporting anything, or speaking to anyone at the club anymore by controlling photographer access and press conference attendance.

 

Obviously because the rumours were just made up by the media on the bus into work.

 

I see your point....(not saying in this case) but the media do seem to do this...

just last week..a journo from the sun was on the radio stating it as absolute fact that coppell ledt brizzle because he did not want james and the chairman signed him.....

not longer after the journo was on, thge brizzle chairman phoned up the show (un expected) and was utterly bemused by the "facts" the journo was saying and said it was completely not true and he was gobsmacked at the lies.....even coppell has back his ex chairman up since......whether that was part of a pay off...who know but for a chairman to phone and and seems so bloody angry was odd

 

annnnyway

[CB Fry]

cortese is not perfect...far from it...I wish lowe would stop talking to the bloody press...now we have one that does not want to and it is a problem..?

ok, maybe the way he has gone about it has annoyed some fans..I get that...

 

IMO, what he brings to the table...the positives far out do the negatives....so I for one, will sit back and see how all this plays out and let what happens behind the scenes actually happen without the need to know who and when and where everyone takes a dump

 

 

Look, I'm with you. There are some good things happening, clearly, and I think we will get promoted and Cortese and Pardew are the architects of that.

 

But I am not comfortable with the attitude on some on here that every single decision he takes is correct and unquestionable. The Luvviest Lowe Luvvie never got anywhere near some of the messiah worship on here.

 

He's made some stonking and pointless errors which will be of no benefit and are a waste of energy when we're supposed to be getting promoted.

 

I share your Annnnywayyyyyyy. Move on!

[NickG]

would rather chairman didn't keep give interviews etc - got on with running club well - like now really.

 

not there to be liked.

[NickG]

Look, I'm with you. There are some good things happening, clearly, and I think we will get promoted and Cortese and Pardew are the architects of that.

 

But I am not comfortable with the attitude on some on here that every single decision he takes is correct and unquestionable. The Luvviest Lowe Luvvie never got anywhere near some of the messiah worship on here.

 

He's made some stonking and pointless errors which will be of no benefit and are a waste of energy when we're supposed to be getting promoted.

 

I share your Anywayyyyyyy. Move on!

 

it does get silly, like the lowe luvvie thing - if you don't castigate him for everything, according to the poster with two profiles, you love him.

 

most, I guess, think he comes across as aloof, has made mistakes but is generally doing well

[Thedelldays]

Look, I'm with you. There are some good things happening, clearly, and I think we will get promoted and Cortese and Pardew are the architects of that.

 

But I am not comfortable with the attitude on some on here that every single decision he takes is correct and unquestionable. The Luvviest Lowe Luvvie never got anywhere near some of the messiah worship on here.

 

He's made some stonking and pointless errors which will be of no benefit and are a waste of energy when we're supposed to be getting promoted.

 

I share your Anywayyyyyyy. Move on!

 

it is true......I can see his thinking but this is English football...it is a self harming beast...

I hope Cortese is either smarter than the idiots in and around our game (and there are fuk loads) or will learn from mistakes made in his first year..

 

personally, I can see him doing one back to the continent this summer(end of season)...or even the next

Edited 20 August, 2010 by Thedelldays

[Saints foreva]

Pardew was going to be sacked. That's what was going to happen until Cortese changed his mind.

 

It was Pardew's fault that his job was at risk anyway, we underachieved last season. I read somewhere that he made a promise to Cortese in January that he could get us into the play offs with some extra funds. Cortese agreed, Pardew failed.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Why do D*lldays and NickG spend so much of their time sticking up for Cortese?

[Deppo]

Why have you censored the e in Delldays?

[NickG]

Why do D*lldays and NickG spend so much of their time sticking up for Cortese?

 

why do you and Stu spend so much time slagging him off!

[NickG]

it does get silly, like the lowe luvvie thing - if you don't castigate him for everything, according to the poster with two profiles, you love him.

 

most, I guess, think he comes across as aloof, has made mistakes but is generally doing well

 

is this not fair summary of him Stu?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Why have you censored the e in Delldays?

 

Because I got told I would be infracted for replacing the 'e' with a 'u' , so as I see it more apt to use a 'u' , I thought it was best to put a * in place of it, so at least I know what I mean.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

why do you and Stu spend so much time slagging him off!

 

I said fair play and thanks for leaving the barriers open so people could pay their respects without being charged.

 

Praise where praise is due...

[NickG]

agreed

[SaintBobby]

You'd have to be inhuman to not cut Nicola Cortese some slack.

 

I have always been sure he wants the best for the club - sometimes question how we should go about it though.

 

I'm actually not that reassured by the statement on the OS. But I think I am going to get through the grieving process first.

[JustMike]

Pardew was going to be sacked. That's what was going to happen until Cortese changed his mind.

 

prove it

[sadoldgit]

Look, I'm with you. There are some good things happening, clearly, and I think we will get promoted and Cortese and Pardew are the architects of that.

 

But I am not comfortable with the attitude on some on here that every single decision he takes is correct and unquestionable. The Luvviest Lowe Luvvie never got anywhere near some of the messiah worship on here.

 

 

 

He's made some stonking and pointless errors which will be of no benefit and are a waste of energy when we're supposed to be getting promoted.

 

I share your Annnnywayyyyyyy. Move on!

 

I agree. I find it odd that the likes of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch etc were up for criticism but Cortese isn't. Why should the sad passing of the owner make his position even more fireproof? LIke the other CEOs, Cortese will make errors and he will get things right. His position and decisions should be no less up for discussion and scrutiny than anyone elses. Frankly I find the whole "In NC we trust" to be cringeworthy. Not so long ago he was being castigated for his petty actions re the echo and photographers. Nothing in his statement alludes t the fact that he has made some PR gaffes but because of the passing of ML. somehow we are suppose to firget that stuff? For goodness sakes, the passing of Markus was very sad and untimely, but it doesn't mean that Cortese suddenly walks on water and can do no wrong.

[sadoldgit]

prove it

 

Pardew himself didn't seem very sure about his future and alot of old Saints "heros" came out of the woodwork to support him - so perhaps there was a reason for that?

[Thedelldays]

I agree. I find it odd that the likes of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch etc were up for criticism but Cortese isn't. Why should the sad passing of the owner make his position even more fireproof? LIke the other CEOs, Cortese will make errors and he will get things right. His position and decisions should be no less up for discussion and scrutiny than anyone elses. Frankly I find the whole "In NC we trust" to be cringeworthy. Not so long ago he was being castigated for his petty actions re the echo and photographers. Nothing in his statement alludes t the fact that he has made some PR gaffes but because of the passing of ML. somehow we are suppose to firget that stuff? For goodness sakes, the passing of Markus was very sad and untimely, but it doesn't mean that Cortese suddenly walks on water and can do no wrong.

it is NOT "in NC we trust"....why do you and others have to put people in groups..?

 

just some are fecking tired of the goings on in the non playing side of the club and for once maybe want to see how this pans out without having to know when the chairman went for a dump and if he wiped back to front.... or front to back

[Katalinic]

Pardew was going to be sacked. That's what was going to happen until Cortese changed his mind.

 

So was Pardew sacked? No. So what is the problem?

[Thedelldays]

Pardew himself didn't seem very sure about his future and alot of old Saints "heros" came out of the woodwork to support him - so perhaps there was a reason for that?

 

and NC went of record that he wanted the playoffs......so no wonder there was speculation...right or wrong

[hypochondriac]

So was Pardew sacked? No. So what is the problem?

 

Because nickG is slagging off the Echo for reporting that he was going to be sacked.

[alpine_saint]

I agree. I find it odd that the likes of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch etc were up for criticism but Cortese isn't. Why should the sad passing of the owner make his position even more fireproof? LIke the other CEOs, Cortese will make errors and he will get things right. His position and decisions should be no less up for discussion and scrutiny than anyone elses. Frankly I find the whole "In NC we trust" to be cringeworthy. Not so long ago he was being castigated for his petty actions re the echo and photographers. Nothing in his statement alludes t the fact that he has made some PR gaffes but because of the passing of ML. somehow we are suppose to firget that stuff? For goodness sakes, the passing of Markus was very sad and untimely, but it doesn't mean that Cortese suddenly walks on water and can do no wrong.

 

A pity you refuse to extend your opinions on "In X we Trust" and universal non-infallability to managers though.

 

According to you, they should be stood alongside whatever they do.

[Legod Third Coming]

Why do people believe that support means 'never questioning'?

 

I support my wife and family. Christ, I love them. Does that mean never calling them to account? Never querying their intentions? Never telling them that maybe, just maybe, they might be wrong? Never offering an alternate point of view? Does it mean somehow I support them and their hopes and aspirations any less?

 

A few people on here either need to grow up or my suggestion would be to join the Third Reich...

[Toadhall Saint]

I think some on here would prefer Cortese gone by the look of things. The mind ****ing boggles.

[hypochondriac]

I think some on here would prefer Cortese gone by the look of things. The mind ****ing boggles.

 

Did you even bother to read the post above yours?

[lenwilkins]

it is NOT "in NC we trust"....why do you and others have to put people in groups..?

 

just some are fecking tired of the goings on in the non playing side of the club and for once maybe want to see how this pans out without having to know when the chairman went for a dump and if he wiped back to front.... or front to back

 

"some are fecking tired"

 

Do you know this for a fact?. How many of you are there and what is your group called?

 

Will you all be joining us at the game today?

 

We need to know FFS.

[Thedelldays]

"some are fecking tired"

 

Do you know this for a fact?. How many of you are there and what is your group called?

 

Will you all be joining us at the game today?

 

We need to know FFS.

 

no..i wont be going to the game..I have a day off (well two days) from the anti piracy operational training for the up and coming trip I have away with a unit to the gulf of Aden...

 

thanks for your concern though

[sadoldgit]

A pity you refuse to extend your opinions on "In X we Trust" and universal non-infallability to managers though.

 

According to you, they should be stood alongside whatever they do.

 

If you bother to read what I say I dont say that managers are infallible. Quite the opposite. They all are so why hang them out to dry for being human? Same with CEOs. but it seems that we have to leave a certain one alone now?

[sadoldgit]

I have this problem. It seem to me that the 5 year plan (now a 4 year plan of course) involved getting us into the Premiership, selling up and moving on. So I have 2 questions. What happens to us when they move on and what happens to us if we are not in the Premiership in 4 years time?

[JackFrost]

I agree. I find it odd that the likes of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch etc were up for criticism but Cortese isn't. Why should the sad passing of the owner make his position even more fireproof? LIke the other CEOs, Cortese will make errors and he will get things right. His position and decisions should be no less up for discussion and scrutiny than anyone elses. Frankly I find the whole "In NC we trust" to be cringeworthy. Not so long ago he was being castigated for his petty actions re the echo and photographers. Nothing in his statement alludes t the fact that he has made some PR gaffes but because of the passing of ML. somehow we are suppose to firget that stuff? For goodness sakes, the passing of Markus was very sad and untimely, but it doesn't mean that Cortese suddenly walks on water and can do no wrong.

 

Which is precisely the approach you took with George Burley, when the forum was criticising his methods.

[Thedelldays]

I have this problem. It seem to me that the 5 year plan (now a 4 year plan of course) involved getting us into the Premiership, selling up and moving on. So I have 2 questions. What happens to us when they move on and what happens to us if we are not in the Premiership in 4 years time?

 

where was this "selling up bit"..?

[alpine_saint]

If you bother to read what I say I dont say that managers are infallible. Quite the opposite. They all are so why hang them out to dry for being human? Same with CEOs. but it seems that we have to leave a certain one alone now?

 

Nobody on here has said NC hasnt made mistakes. Quite a few, however (yourself included) have jumped on him at every half-opportunity, for reasons completely unfathomable.

 

What many of the rest have said is that his net impact on the club is beyond doubt far into the positive, and that the rest of you should therefore cut him some slack, especially as it is obvious he is suffering some emotional distress currently.

[sadoldgit]

Why do people believe that support means 'never questioning'?

 

I support my wife and family. Christ, I love them. Does that mean never calling them to account? Never querying their intentions? Never telling them that maybe, just maybe, they might be wrong? Never offering an alternate point of view? Does it mean somehow I support them and their hopes and aspirations any less?

 

A few people on here either need to grow up or my suggestion would be to join the Third Reich...

 

Yep. And why is it ok to criticse one but not another? As you say, this place should be for grown ups.