The non-Marcus Tribute thread for thrashing out stuff

[Toadhall Saint]

Kindly avuncular old gent befriends hip young gunslinger to do his dirty work for him maybe? You can't see Markus falling out with the Echo or getting involved in some of the stunts that Cortese has can you? In all walks of life unlikely pairings occur. I don't think it is strange that they were close. What is more important now is how is Cortese viewed by the people who own the purse strings.

 

Hmmm perhaps you should of said "Kindly Avuncular looking old gent" as I'm pretty sure that Markus didn't get to where he did by being kindly. It takes a clear and concise mind to achieve anywhere near what he did.

[Secret Site Agent]

Away from this forum I cannot recall meeting a single person who has said to me " what a great bloke that Cortese is and what a good job he is doing "

 

Pretty much every single person I have spoken to in the last couple of months thinks Cortese is an arrogant c*ck ( which fits in with the booing at Wembley ). This doesn't bother alot of people, it does bother some, but as he keeps making stupid decisions, the people who are vocally p!ssed off with him will increase..

 

Well, lets all meet up and I'LL tell you that Corteze isn't an arrogant ****. I think that he is too hands off, doesn't like to work in the eye of the media, keeps all the little tatletails at SMS out of the loop and is trying hard to make us a sustainable, on going concern that remains attractive to the new boss. I have met someone who has met HIM, professionally, and I am happy to use their assesment of him to help form my own opinion. The person I am talking about is my own companies CEO who could be compared to Corteze in many respects: Young, eager, aloof, in an industry they have not any background in, (Corteze banker in football, My matey Marketing in Construction and Faculties Management), metored by an old Mitagi/Mr Han type relationship by an older more experience gentlemen. From his assesment I can see what NC is up to. It wont play well with some, and there will be snipers, but the ultimate target is in the best interest of the MAJORITY. NC Can't feather his own nest whilst Rome burns, it's not his nest. He cannot do everything and research every option, that is what his staff is about. Was it his idea to scrap theb installment plan? was it his idea the booking fee? What about the banning of the photographers? it wouldn't surprise me if there were a number of people involved in the idea, the decision making and he just did the final sign off. Yesterday I learnt of David Bick the Media Consultant. Is this a posh way of saying he fixes conputers, or porovides stationary, or does he provide us with an assesment and strategy for THE MEDIA? I wonder what his assesment of the Photographers ban is?

[COMEONYOUREDS]

I haven't met one person who doesn't think DBP is an arrogant **** in the last month, doesn't mean he is one.

[Toadhall Saint]

Got a couple of friends that have had first hand dealings with Cortese - shock horror they actually thought he was a good guy to do business with, very open and encouraging of new ideas/ways of doing things.

[Saints foreva]

Joe, I promise you I heard a lot of boos from saints fans on more than one occasion. I didn't boo BTW but there were quite a few who did.

 

Shows how fickle our fans are considering there was a massive cheer when Cortese and Pardew hugged each other as Pardew went up to lift the JPT.....

 

I don't think there were many who booed Cortese, the boos just sounded louder because the atmosphere was shocking - Mainly due to the plastic fans.

[Secret Site Agent]

Got a couple of friends that have had first hand dealings with Cortese - shock horror they actually thought he was a good guy to do business with, very open and encouraging of new ideas/ways of doing things.

 

So, that's three people between Toadhall and I that have actually had dealings with him, and didn't find him a tosser based on their personal experience, as opposed to many many people who haven't met him, who think he is a knob, based on baseless rumours and inuendo.

 

Well, he must be a knob then.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Got a couple of friends that have had first hand dealings with Cortese - shock horror they actually thought he was a good guy to do business with, very open and encouraging of new ideas/ways of doing things.

 

And I have a couple of friends/family who have had first hand dealings with Cortese - shock horror they actually think he is stuck in the dark ages and his arrogance and his inexperience of UK business etiquette is clear to see.

[NickG]

team had good season

good team set up, good manager,

ticket sales are good

 

He is doing well.

 

Judge again at the end of the season

if we fail to get promoted

crowds down

been sacking managers for example

 

He would be doing badly

 

 

Quite simple this football lark!

[Deppo]

3-2 in favour of Cortese. I'm so excited about which way this is going to go! Anyone else got any friends/family that they want to pretend have met Cortese and think he is ace/a c**t?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

NickG

 

The team has proved the square root of fook all so far, so I am not sure what exactly you are crowing on about.

 

And it says it all the fact you will claim now he is doing well but won't allow people to say he is not doing well until the end of the season. A good insight into your blind love of the man.

[NickG]

Did last season, as soon as got this team together did well in cups - including winning one and consistently gaining 2 points per game - pretty good in anyones book.

 

People don't have to wait until end of season to judge his success was just trying to give you simple example to understand.

 

Cut the 5 year old comments.

[Noodles34]

And I have a couple of friends/family who have had first hand dealings with Cortese - shock horror they actually think he is stuck in the dark ages and his arrogance and his inexperience of UK business etiquette is clear to see.

 

course you have...

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Did last season, as soon as got this team together did well in cups - including winning one and consistently gaining 2 points per game - pretty good in anyones book.

 

People don't have to wait until end of season to judge his success was just trying to give you simple example to understand.

 

Cut the 5 year old comments.

 

We might have got 2 points per game, Wouldn't you say we should have got on average 2 points a game? Do you class that as a 'success' or 'what is expected' .

 

Even in terms of revenue, we are a top 8 Championship team... seeing 2 points a game in League 1 as a success in my opinion is not very ambitious... Success last season would have been a play-off place regardless of the -10.

 

Wembley was nice... but again, we were one of the red hot favourites for the cup, I certainly won't be telling my grandkids about the day we 'beat Carlisle United' - it was nice, but again, keep your feet on the ground.

 

Good run in the Cups, granted. But the draws were kind to us, apart from a decent display against Ipswich, I don't see much to get excited about.

 

Damn me being realistic and ambitious at the same time eh?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

course you have...

 

Well I seemed to know alot about the training ground development not being completed due to Cortese falling out with the contractors months ago... which I posted on here (only to get shot down ), didn't I?

 

Guess what? Staplewood is still a building site when it was scheduled to be completed by now. Funny that...

[itchen]

Well I seemed to know alot about the training ground development not being completed due to Cortese falling out with the contractors months ago... which I posted on here (only to get shot down ), didn't I?

 

Guess what? Staplewood is still a building site when it was scheduled to be completed by now. Funny that...

 

I obviously move in the wrong circles. I don't know anyone who has met Cortese and so can't form an opinion based on their reports. I'll just have to judge on fact:

 

1) Is the club in existence? Yes.

2) Is it stable? Yes.

3) Is its tipped by most media/bookies etc to do well this year? Yes (predictions aren't always right but it's the best we can do at this stage)

4) Did it do well last season, all things considered? Yes

5) Has Cortese upset some fans by changing the season-ticket arrangements? Yes.

6) Has he upset the press by banning photographers and, if so, does this damage the club? Yes and no.

 

I know nothing about Staplewood but, if he has fallen out with the contractors (another circle I don't move in) could this be because he is trying to get the best deal for the club? There's a recession, I'm sure there's no shortage of builders willing to take on the job and complete it to Cortese's standards.

 

So, on the whole, more positives but some negatives. Which is all most of us can say of ourselves,I suspect.

[NickG]

We might have got 2 points per game, Wouldn't you say we should have got on average 2 points a game? Do you class that as a 'success' or 'what is expected' .

 

Even in terms of revenue, we are a top 8 Championship team... seeing 2 points a game in League 1 as a success in my opinion is not very ambitious... Success last season would have been a play-off place regardless of the -10.

 

Wembley was nice... but again, we were one of the red hot favourites for the cup, I certainly won't be telling my grandkids about the day we 'beat Carlisle United' - it was nice, but again, keep your feet on the ground.

 

Good run in the Cups, granted. But the draws were kind to us, apart from a decent display against Ipswich, I don't see much to get excited about.

 

Damn me being realistic and ambitious at the same time eh?

 

Not sure what you mean.

 

2 points per game would be good season.

 

Am hoping for great season.

 

Last season was good performance on key measurables for Cortesse - hopefully will continue.

[Secret Site Agent]

And I have a couple of friends/family who have had first hand dealings with Cortese - shock horror they actually think he is stuck in the dark ages and his arrogance and his inexperience of UK business etiquette is clear to see.

 

Ah, of course. You would have. Care to elaborate?

You need a second my friend. Anyone else?

[Noodles34]

Well I seemed to know alot about the training ground development not being completed due to Cortese falling out with the contractors months ago... which I posted on here (only to get shot down ), didn't I?

 

Guess what? Staplewood is still a building site when it was scheduled to be completed by now. Funny that...

 

do you just 'pretend' to be full of **** or do you actually 'believe' it yourself?

[Freemantle Saint]

I think it is abundantly clear why many have taken a dislike to Cortese. He is banning this, banning that from going to St Marys, upsetting the entire media completely unnecessarily, seems to make dictatorial descisions which come with an air of arrogance and which create a cloud of negativity. In addition to what we do 'know' there are all sorts of rumours coming from inside the club that these are not isolated occurences, but part of Cortese's normal 'climate of fear' modus operandi. And we have his apparent closeness to sacking Pardew, which most of us would agree would have been an incorrect decision.

 

Joensuu, I can't believe that this is really your idea of a 'dream CEO'.

 

The reason we should be concerned is that this ruthless attitude may one day be reflected in the sale of the club for profit, regardless of the suitability of the buyer or long-term sustainability, as well as damaging the club in the meantime by creating sour relationships with other clubs, the football league, the media, fanbase and so on.

 

I for one thing see Cortese as a man with great ambition, but perhaps lacking the maturity needed to manage such a complex business.

 

Exactly although alpine and others are creaming at the thought of this guy in charge...he strikes me as a bit of an arrogant ***t

 

If it was lowe in charge there would be uproar.

They purchased the club but should still remember the club is only as good as its fans....lowe forgot this and look what happened to him.

For me his lack of support in the media for pardew was unforgiveable as most fans would agree...except for our..."Internet Fans"...

 

And the booing at the opening game was a fcking joke....fans need to get a grip....when have saints ever started well?

[Joensuu]

Exactly although alpine and others are creaming at the thought of this guy in charge...he strikes me as a bit of an arrogant ***t

 

If it was lowe in charge there would be uproar.

They purchased the club but should still remember the club is only as good as its fans....lowe forgot this and look what happened to him.

For me his lack of support in the media for pardew was unforgiveable as most fans would agree...except for our..."Internet Fans"...

 

And the booing at the opening game was a fcking joke....fans need to get a grip....when have saints ever started well?

 

Freo, agree that Lowe would have got a lot more flack than Cortese has, and for good reason - over the years of mismanagement he built up enough resentment amoungst fans for every decision to be loudly criticised. Cortese hasn't had years of mismanagement - in fact he hasn't shown much evidence of mismanagement whatsoever.

 

Cortese doesn't feel he should respond to speculation. His policy is that 'no comment' is usually the best policy, and the rumour in question will simply disapear. That's how I would handle idle media gossip and speculation too; any chairman or CEO who gets sucked into making a public responce is usually made to look silly, and ends up feeding the media tattle. This seems to me to be exactly the approach Cortese took with the Pardew gossip - ignore it, and the gossip will fade; respond and the gossip will grow. All Cortese needs to do is make sure that he speaks to Pardew in private, and lets him know, that 1) he has his confidence and 2) that Cortese will not be drawn into responding to media tattle. If this is what has happened, then IMO Cortese handled the Pardew gossip in a the best way he could have.

 

Oh and, from what I have been seeing, the only Saints supporters questioning Cortese are our 'Internet fans'. As far as I can see talking to friends, this anti-Cortese vibe isn't something the core of our fanbase has picked up on. Most fans non-internet fans, seem to genuninely approve of the direction Cortese is taking us in. The 'anti-Cortese' vibe seems to exist only in the world of SaintsWeb.

[Deppo]

I haven't kept up with this thread. What's the score now? Perhaps the mods/OP can edit the title to include the score?