Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 (edited) Missed my point. Oh well. I was simply trying to get across that they don't necessarily need to be given tickets. Most soldiers get paid more than a nurse... should they get a free ticket too? Once again, wrong. Most soldiers don't get paid more than nurses... unless they have a trade. Infantry Soldiers ( the vast majority getting injured/killed in Afghan ) get paid alot less than a nurse. Glad we got that thought of yours corrected as well. Edited 15 August, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips
Barry the Badger Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Missed my point. Oh well. I was simply trying to get across that they don't necessarily need to be given tickets. Most soldiers get paid more than a nurse... should they get a free ticket too? Oh come on. Regardless of your personal feelings towards the army, you cannot possible compare the job of a nurse with that of a soldier. I don't think anybody is trying to claim that soldiers could be given free tickets as they can't afford them, more as a gesture of thanks for the job they do.
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Once again, wrong. Most soldiers don't get paid more than nurses... unless they have a trade. Infantry Soldiers ( the vast majority getting injured/killed in Afghan ) get paid alot less than a nurse. Glad we got that thought of yours corrected as well. An army private serving in afghanistan earns £20,000 a year, about an average wage... many nurses earn less than this, some more yes... but many less.
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Oh come on. Regardless of your personal feelings towards the army, you cannot possible compare the job of a nurse with that of a soldier. I don't think anybody is trying to claim that soldiers could be given free tickets as they can't afford them, more as a gesture of thanks for the job they do. I'm not an army hater, I think they do a great job and I'm extremely proud of what they do.
Sour Mash Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I'm not an army hater, I think they do a great job and I'm extremely proud of what they do. Exactly, I think our Armed Forces do an excellent job, got a few mates in the forces and nothing but impressed with what they do. However, still don't think anyone should be given free tickets because of the job they have chosen to do, no matter how much they are paid or not as the case may be.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 An army private serving in afghanistan earns £20,000 a year, about an average wage... many nurses earn less than this, some more yes... but many less. Wrong yet again ( you're not doing very well are you? ) Even if you did allow for the £20,000 salary for a private in Afghan ( this included 'danger money' , a soldier loses this when not on operations ) The MINIMUM STARTING salary for a registered nurse is £20,710 ( Source - RCN ) Glad we got that thought of yours corrected as well.
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Exactly, I think our Armed Forces do an excellent job, got a few mates in the forces and nothing but impressed with what they do. However, still don't think anyone should be given free tickets because of the job they have chosen to do, no matter how much they are paid or not as the case may be. I'm just going to agree with this post, I cba to argue with DBP anymore.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I'm just going to agree with this post, I cba to argue with DBP anymore. Here is the link, just so you know next time how much a nurse gets paid. I think you were confusing 'Support Workers' with 'Nurses' An easy mistake to make. I forgive you. xx http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/pay_rates_2009_-_2010
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Here is the link, just so you know next time how much a nurse gets paid. I think you were confusing 'Support Workers' with 'Nurses' An easy mistake to make. I forgive you. xx http://www.rcn.org.uk/support/pay_and_conditions/pay_rates_2009_-_2010 No.
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Wrong yet again ( you're not doing very well are you? ) Even if you did allow for the £20,000 salary for a private in Afghan ( this included 'danger money' , a soldier loses this when not on operations ) The MINIMUM STARTING salary for a registered nurse is £20,710 ( Source - RCN ) Glad we got that thought of yours corrected as well. You need to compare the pay of a nursing assistant with a private even though a nursing assistant requires some qualifications. A nursing assistant is on Band 3 - £15,500 - £18,500 approximately. So comparing (almost) like with like, a private earns more for less qualifications. And a nursing assistant gets no 'perks'. A fully qualified nurse is a graduate these days. What rank would apply to a new entrant to the army with a degree?
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 however, if you do have a trade and are skilled in an area...you get more than what stu says.... added for balance
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 You need to compare the pay of a nursing assistant with a private even though a nursing assistant requires some qualifications. A nursing assistant is on Band 3 - £15,500 - £18,500 approximately. So comparing (almost) like with like, a private earns more for less qualifications. And a nursing assistant gets no 'perks'. A fully qualified nurse is a graduate these days. What rank would apply to a new entrant to the army with a degree? I'm glad some people can articulate better than me
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 As long as I can still afford my ticket and get my normal seat, I couldn't care less if other tickets are given away for free.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 You need to compare the pay of a nursing assistant with a private even though a nursing assistant requires some qualifications. A nursing assistant is on Band 3 - £15,500 - £18,500 approximately. So comparing (almost) like with like, a private earns more for less qualifications. And a nursing assistant gets no 'perks'. A fully qualified nurse is a graduate these days. What rank would apply to a new entrant to the army with a degree? No no no no no. A 'Support Worker' is an entry level mongtard. ANYONE can be a support worker... it's on a par with a frikkin McDonalds worker. I seriously can't believe that you are now comparing a support worker to an infantry soldier. Unbelievable. But then again, you support BA going on strike, so that says all about you that we need to know. I will gracefully retire safe in the knowledge that I have PROVED that a NURSE earns MORE than a SOLDIER - This is a FACT I won't get myself infracted for biting at you comparing a healthcare support worker to an infantry soldier. The most fookin retarded comparison in the history of this forum.
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 to be fair....even an average squaddie will probably learn more diverse range of skills than a nurse
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 No no no no no. A 'Support Worker' is an entry level mongtard. ANYONE can be a support worker... it's on a par with a frikkin McDonalds worker. I seriously can't believe that you are now comparing a support worker to an infantry soldier. Unbelievable. But then again, you support BA going on strike, so that says all about you that we need to know. I will gracefully retire safe in the knowledge that I have PROVED that a NURSE earns MORE than a SOLDIER - This is a FACT I won't get myself infracted for biting at you comparing a healthcare support worker to an infantry soldier. The most fookin retarded comparison in the history of this forum. I'm sorry you felt unable to answer my question to you. If someone is a graduate and then decides to join the army, at what rank would they enter the army? And what entry qualifications are required to join the army as a private?
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 A nurse works consistently long hours, non-stop in demanding surroundings. It's not an easy job. Both a soldier and a nurse are demanding.
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I'm sorry you felt unable to answer my question to you. If someone is a graduate and then decides to join the army, at what rank would they enter the army? And what entry qualifications are required to join the army as a private? depends.....maybe an officer if he is good enough...then again, privates (if they are good enough) can go officer if they wish.....some simply do not wish to
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I'm sorry you felt unable to answer my question to you. If someone is a graduate and then decides to join the army, at what rank would they enter the army? And what entry qualifications are required to join the army as a private? Depends what job they go for, doesn't it? Duh... Not all graduates are applicable to be officers if that is the point you are trying to make... and those that are officers are doing 20x harder work than a nurse, with 20 times more responsibility and 1 million times more danger. So really don't continue with your retardedness by now comparing a Commisioned Officer with a frikkin staff nurse. ( sod, it, stick this one into the lounge, I will happily debate with you till you cry on this one )
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Aah here we go (since no-one can directly answer my questions: How much will I get paid when I become an officer? You can expect to start on £24,615 - 30,368 depending on your level of education. Your food and accommodation will be heavily subsidised meaning more of your salary ends up in your pocket for you to decide how to spend it. http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/toughquestions/pages/HowmuchwillIgetpaidfirstupasanofficer.aspx So, assuming a GRADUATE officer starts nearer the top, I shall compare that with a graduate nurse who will earn: Band 5 (covers 7 years' increases) Point 16 21,176 Point 17 21,798 Point 18 22,663 Point 19 23,563 Point 20 24,554 Point 21 25,472 Point 22 26,483 Point 23 27,534 and the nurse will NOT get heavily subsidised food and accommodation and will have to contribute 6% of salary to pension whereas forces staff enjoy a non-contributory pension. A private in the army earns between £17K and £26,500. http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/benefits/pay/Pages/Soldier.aspx No specific qualifications are required to be a private (much like a burger flipper then although I have to say I have more regard for someone who puts his / her life on the line so I'm not being derogatory). http://www.armyjobs.mod.uk/howdoijoin/canijoin/Pages/EntryRequirements.aspx No specific qualifications to be a nursing assistant either, but they usually undertake NVQ Level 3 and so, to compare them to a private, shows that they earn: Band 3 Point 6 15,610 Point 7 16,145 Point 8 16,753 Point 9 17,118 Point 10 17,604 Point 11 18,152 Point 12 18,577 Incidentally, I lived for a number of years in a garrison town and, from my experience, there are as many 'mongs and retards' (to use Stu's words) on the loose on a Friday night as there were such men from other walks of life. Both professions are worthwhile and much respected by me. Because of the commitment of people in both professions, I think it should be understood that, comparing like with like, army personnel come out best at any rank.
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 lol...military officer v a nurse.. dear christ
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 lol...military officer v a nurse.. dear christ Depends on the levels of responsibility of both, doesn't it No doubt you and your comrades in arms (do YOU actually bear arms, TDD?) don't need nurses in theatres of war then, Because you're all such tough cookies. Do you actually go to theatres of war, TDD?
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Depends on the levels of responsibility of both, doesn't it No doubt you and your comrades in arms (do YOU actually bear arms, TDD?) don't need nurses in theatres of war then, Because you're all such tough cookies. Do you actually go to theatres of war, TDD? why are you being personal.. yes to all questions...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 (edited) Depends on the levels of responsibility of both, doesn't it No doubt you and your comrades in arms (do YOU actually bear arms, TDD?) don't need nurses in theatres of war then, Because you're all such tough cookies. Do you actually go to theatres of war, TDD? Errr... I am not sure if you are aware, but as an Infantry officer - the ENTRY LEVEL is to be in charge of a platoon of 24 men ( plus support ) in an operational environment. Calling all the shots in a battle and effectively responsible for the lives of all 24 ( plus support ) of his men, one wrong call and you could cost the lives of a number of your soldiers. That is ENTRY LEVEL - as in, thats what they are expected to do on their first day after passing out of Sandhurst. I am not going to even bother replying to your other post trying to compare a f*cking healthcare support worker to a Infantry Soldier. Jesus f*cking Christ. Edited 15 August, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 why are you being personal.. yes to all questions... I'm not being personal - I'm curious. Mainly because you seem to spend so much time on here and I can't imagine that would be possible in a war zone. I get heartily sick of people knocking nurses and to try to compare armed forces with nurses is just plain stupid really (even though I'm doing it with regard to pay). Most nurses take up that career as a vocation. I know that many army officers and other ranks also join the army as a vocation but some, if not quite a lot, join at the lower ranks because there aren't many unskilled jobs available and they'd otherwise be on the dole (that is also commendable - better to be employed for the good of the country than be on benefits.)
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I'm not being personal - I'm curious. Mainly because you seem to spend so much time on here and I can't imagine that would be possible in a war zone. I get heartily sick of people knocking nurses and to try to compare armed forces with nurses is just plain stupid really (even though I'm doing it with regard to pay). Most nurses take up that career as a vocation. I know that many army officers and other ranks also join the army as a vocation but some, if not quite a lot, join at the lower ranks because there aren't many unskilled jobs available and they'd otherwise be on the dole (that is also commendable - better to be employed for the good of the country than be on benefits.) time on here..? you have no idea what I do and when I do it..all you know is that I work (at times) on a submarine...how do you know what posting I am currently in... guess what..? people in the forces do not spend all their time in afghanistan...not even the battle hardened intfantry lads...
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 What a shame Stu that you have to retort to such language and such a bad attitude when all I've done is point out facts. Is that what you were taught in the army? Were you a squaddie? Did they teach you to read comprehensively? I only ask because your reading seems to be selective. Please note that I wrote: Both professions are worthwhile and much respected by me
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 time on here..? you have no idea what I do and when I do it..all you know is that I work (at times) on a submarine...how do you know what posting I am currently in... guess what..? people in the forces do not spend all their time in afghanistan...not even the battle hardened intfantry lads... No, I don't know what you do. Others have referred to you as a submariner. And you're right, I don't know where you are right now - Plymouth seems to be most often referred to. However, given that I'm retired and you are employed by the state, I think it's quite interesting to compare our post counts
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 No, I don't know what you do. Others have referred to you as a submariner. And you're right, I don't know where you are right now - Plymouth seems to be most often referred to. However, given that I'm retired and you are employed by the state, I think it's quite interesting to compare our post counts it goes up quickly when you have an opinion on everything..lol
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 (edited) I'm not being personal - I'm curious. Mainly because you seem to spend so much time on here and I can't imagine that would be possible in a war zone. I get heartily sick of people knocking nurses and to try to compare armed forces with nurses is just plain stupid really (even though I'm doing it with regard to pay). Most nurses take up that career as a vocation. I know that many army officers and other ranks also join the army as a vocation but some, if not quite a lot, join at the lower ranks because there aren't many unskilled jobs available and they'd otherwise be on the dole (that is also commendable - better to be employed for the good of the country than be on benefits.) Never have I met someone on a forum as stuck up their own arse as you. Do you realise what is involved in joining the Army? Seriously? Are you THAT deluded that you think someone walks into the careers office and joins up and joins their battalion the next week? Here is a fact ( that was certainly true when I was in ) - Less than 10% of people who walk into the Careers Office saying they want to join the Army actually make it through all the tests, aptitude, medical and fitness, get through Phase 1 training and Infantry Training and go on to join their battalion. But anyone can get in the army eh.....? FFS Edited 15 August, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 What a shame Stu that you have to retort to such language and such a bad attitude when all I've done is point out facts. Is that what you were taught in the army? Were you a squaddie? Did they teach you to read comprehensively? I only ask because your reading seems to be selective. Please note that I wrote: Both professions are worthwhile and much respected by me I give an opinion as someone who... a) Spent 6 years as an Infantry Soldier b) Lived with a registered nurse for 3 years ( who also had to manage a team of 'wonderful' healthcare support workers ) I don't knock a nurse, have alot of respect for them, but I know they get paid very well, work short hours ( contrary to what you might be told ) , they have ample holiday, they have the choice of almost unlimited overtime which they can either bank as extra holiday or get renumerated favourably for. You are trying to compare a healthcare support worker to a trained Infantry soldier which is not only insulting to highly trained soldiers, but the 2 jobs are miles apart. Half of the healthcare support workers can't even speak English FFS.
bridge too far Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Stu - this is my last post on this subject, mainly out of respect for the OP who has had his thread hijacked. I do know about recruitment for the armed forces. Many of my family were / still are in the RAF. My own brother was in the RAF as was my cousin and my ex-husband. Some of my son's friends have been in the army. One was very highly decorated because of bravery in the first Iraq war.
revolution saint Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I give an opinion as someone who... a) Spent 6 years as an Infantry Soldier b) Lived with a registered nurse for 3 years ( who also had to manage a team of 'wonderful' healthcare support workers ) I don't knock a nurse, have alot of respect for them, but I know they get paid very well, work short hours ( contrary to what you might be told ) , they have ample holiday, they have the choice of almost unlimited overtime which they can either bank as extra holiday or get renumerated favourably for. You are trying to compare a healthcare support worker to a trained Infantry soldier which is not only insulting to highly trained soldiers, but the 2 jobs are miles apart. Half of the healthcare support workers can't even speak English FFS. If infantry soldiers are that clever couldn't they get a better job and not have to rely on free tickets?
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Stu - this is my last post on this subject, mainly out of respect for the OP who has had his thread hijacked. I do know about recruitment for the armed forces. Many of my family were / still are in the RAF. My own brother was in the RAF as was my cousin and my ex-husband. Some of my son's friends have been in the army. One was very highly decorated because of bravery in the first Iraq war. We are not talking about R.A.F - We specifically are talking about Private soldiers. Whom are Army soldiers. There is 1000 times more training to be an Infantry Soldier than there is to be a bloomin healthcare support worker ( of which you used to compare Army pay as you seem to think the jobs are comparable - LMAO ) If you know about the recruitment process for an Infantry Soldier then please feel free to enlighten me and I will let you know if you are right.
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 If infantry soldiers are that clever couldn't they get a better job and not have to rely on free tickets? I think this comment makes me give up the will to live. The 'cleverest' jobs don't get the best money and maybe some people do a job on less money because they love it. It's choice.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 If infantry soldiers are that clever couldn't they get a better job and not have to rely on free tickets? Not even on about free tickets, couldn't give a toss about that, it's Bridgetoofars retarded comparisons that got me biting.
Block 5 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 So you could enlighten us all with your wisdom, such as this great contribution? No.
revolution saint Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I think this comment makes me give up the will to live. The 'cleverest' jobs don't get the best money and maybe some people do a job on less money because they love it. It's choice. I have a mate who works in MacDonalds and he loves it - does he get a free ticket? He is quite poor but can speak English.
Saintandy666 Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I have a mate who works in MacDonalds and he loves it - does he get a free ticket? He is quite poor but can speak English. If you have been following this thread, you will have seen how I said the soldiers shouldn't get free tickets? So I ask why are you arguing this with me? Also, what has his ability to speak English got to do with anything?!?!
Thedelldays Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 I have a mate who works in MacDonalds and he loves it - does he get a free ticket? He is quite poor but can speak English. dunno..does he get a free ticket..? the way it seems...because ALL people cant get a free ticket..then no one should
Deppo Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 When the firemen went on strike, Stuey was really keen to point at that they chose to do the job so they shouldn't expect more than what was given to them when they went into it. Same with teachers, etc. So why do soldiers deserve to get any extra privileges? It's the same principle isn't it? Or is it that Stuey used to be an armyman so that makes it different?
Deppo Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 In amongst the usual stupid humour of your posts there is a good point there. I'd much rather free tickets were given away to disabled or seriously ill kids. There is a good point in all of my stupid humour. You just have to be clever enough to spot it. If you don't spot it, chances is are it is about you*. *I don't mean YOU specifically. That goes for whoever is reading.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 When the firemen went on strike, Stuey was really keen to point at that they chose to do the job so they shouldn't expect more than what was given to them when they went into it. Same with teachers, etc. So why do soldiers deserve to get any extra privileges? It's the same principle isn't it? Or is it that Stuey used to be an armyman so that makes it different? Errr... would you like to point me in the direction where I stated Soldiers should get free tickets? No... didn't think so... I would pay attention to threads in the future, rather than coming up with your rather dull, sarcastic drivel.
Deppo Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 (edited) Why are our fans morons Stu? I assume you must mean the ones that want to give tickets to troops then? Edited 15 August, 2010 by Deppo
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Why are our fans morons Stu? I assume you must mean the ones that want to give tickets to troops then? Come on Deppo. You are the new resident funny man on the forum. I didn't expect you to just ignore being proved wrong.
chestersaint Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Just as an aside and really nothing to do with the original post as per 90% of this thread, when the fire brigade go on strike the Engineers in the good old green godessess's have to cover. Bare in mind we have received a small percentage of the training and a fraction of the money yet do the job cos that is what we do - get on with it with no bleating. As per some things posted previously, comparing squaddies with nurses? Yes they both have to deal with trauma injuries (for example) the latter do not inflict those injuries on their fellow man and then live with that fact. The 2 trades cannot possibly br compared. Here is something you should perhaps consider when begrudging a couple of fookin football tickets to some squaddies - you are 50% more likely to suffer mental illness if you have served in the armed forces than ANY other job. This thread was not started as a competition between soldiers, nurses etc so how as this gotten so far? Lads and lassess that get paid not an awful lot yet can see some ****ty things to be dealt with for the rest of their lives get a couple of free tickets here and there and some of you tw£ts think it is out of order? Seriously? Bunch of fookin tw£ts the lot of you. My old regiment have just lost yet another young lad (20 years old) and you c^^ts are arguing over free tickets. Get a fookin grip, dry your eyes and man up.
Barry the Badger Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Come on everybody, it really is very important that we sort out once and for all who is better and more deserving of free tickets out of nurses and soldiers. Perhaps a big fight would sort it out? The soldiers would definitely have the advantage in hand to hand combat, but the nurses would be better at fixing themselves up and getting back out into the battlefield quicker. I just don't know.
La BoIS Saint Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 What about doctors? Would that be a better comparison?
Barry the Badger Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 What about doctors? Would that be a better comparison? Well that really would make things interesting if Doctors joined the fight to see who is most deserving. I mean, would they team up with the nurses against the soldiers? Or go it alone making it a 3 way fight? They could certainly do a fair amount of damage to an opponent using a stethoscope or a syringe, but still not as much damage as a soldier with, say, a gun or a tank.
Deppo Posted 15 August, 2010 Posted 15 August, 2010 Stu wins another internet argument by saying 'I won that internet argument'. I must admit you have got me so brilliantly that I didn't notice. Could you please give me a summary of just how and explain what you meant by 'some of our fans are morons' and I'll crawl away with my tail between my legs.
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