MK Dons Postponed

[Sour Mash]

No refund and I can't get to MK for any stupid midweek rearranged game.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think that this is an over the top Princess-Diana's-death-style reaction. It's very sad that he has died, but it's nowhere near as sad as Exeter striker Adam Stansfield's death of bowel cancer at the aged of just 31. I bet they are going ahead with their game on Saturday.

 

Hate to say it, but got to agree with you on all of that.

[hypochondriac]

I would send your train ticket in with your ticket and explain the situation.

[Kaiser Soze]

Seeing as I'm banned currently I must admit I am quite relieved it's been postponed.

 

R.I.P big fella.

[Smirking_Saint]

I'm sure the match tickets will be refunded, but do you really think Saints are going to refund my train ticket? Thirty quid is thirty quid, but that's not really the point. Do you think employees in other parts of Liebherr's business have downed tools for the day to remember him? I don't know the answer, but I do think postponing a football match three days after a club owner's death is an over-reaction. A minute of silence or clapping would be a fine tribute.

 

FFS is it really just about money ?? The man has died have some respect.

 

Jesus christ

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I'm sure the match tickets will be refunded, but do you really think Saints are going to refund my train ticket? Thirty quid is thirty quid, but that's not really the point. Do you think employees in other parts of Liebherr's business have downed tools for the day to remember him? I don't know the answer, but I do think postponing a football match three days after a club owner's death is an over-reaction. A minute of silence or clapping would be a fine tribute.

 

Personally I think everyone has the right to grieve in any way which they see suitable. We don't know the 'real' reasons for the postponement. I imagine the probate issues are a real headache but who knows?!

 

I am the sort of person that doesn't grieve... mainly through my previous job... I am much more of a 'appreciate and celebrate' sort of person. Having said that, he was the owner of our club and saviour... so I think he warrants a period of mourning.

[hypochondriac]

FFS is it really just about money ?? The man has died have some respect.

 

Jesus christ

 

Oh do give it a rest.

[Minty]

It's clear to me that players and management all knew Markus well and will be affected by this. Therefore, I think that if the club decide it is best to postpone the game, and MK Dons support that decision, then I fully support the decision too.

[alpine_saint]

Oh do give it a rest.

 

Why should he ? I agree with him

[View From The Top]

Three points...

 

1 - Yes you can get a refund, Just take your ticket or post it to the ticket office

 

 

He's referring to his train tickets.

[Sour Mash]

Not sure that is the only reason. It is much more fitting for our next game to be a home game to allow people to pay their respects.

 

Let's also not forget that administration wise there is now a very complexed probate issue to sort out... maybe they also needed time to get on top of things regarding that and don't need the distraction of an away game? There are not many 'sole owners' in UK football and very few if any, that have ever suddenly passed away... none of us know how much work is involved behind the scenes.

 

Good call I say, and hope for a sell-out against Leyton Orient.

 

What, so the game was called off so that Saints fans could "properly" pay their respects at SMS? That is nothing to do with it. And further more, there is nothing stopping Saints fans doing that at MK Dons. Secondly, the complex admin/probate issues that you correctly alluded to would in NO WAY be effected by a run of the mill League One away game 3 days after his death!

[Paul Chuckle]

It's clear to me that players and management all knew Markus well and will be affected by this. Therefore, I think that if the club decide it is best to postpone the game, and MK Dons support that decision, then I fully support the decision too.

 

 

This

[hypochondriac]

FFS is it really just about money ?? The man has died have some respect.

 

Jesus christ

 

Pretending you are a better fan than Wilko or that somehow he isn't sad that our owner has died? It is possible to discuss both, to be sad about his passing but also to worry about getting money back (thirty pounds is a hell of a lot to some.) Fed up with the sanctimonious stuff like we cannot possibly talk about anything because of his death. Get a grip.

[Minty]

Let's not start yet another petty argument about such a subject eh? Markus deserves better, even if you do disagree about the actions taken.

[View From The Top]

Calling it off is the right thing to do IMHO.

[alpine_saint]

Grow up.

 

Stop whinging.

[alpine_saint]

On the MK Dons forum they are full of respect for us and Liebherr with many paying their respects. On ours we moan about a cancellation and money. Sums up our "Mong Fans" once again.

 

This

[Wilko]

FFS is it really just about money ?? The man has died have some respect.

 

Jesus christ

 

No. I said: "Thirty quid is thirty quid, but that's not really the point."

 

Three points...

 

1 - Yes you can get a refund, Just take your ticket or post it to the ticket office

 

2 - If you read their forums they are looking at postponing their match.

 

3 - Read up on things before you make up your own mind.

 

1. It's train ticket refunds I'm talking about.

 

2. I said: "I bet they are going ahead," not "I know they are going ahead."

 

3. Please don't issue instructions.

[Minty]

Grow up.

Stop whinging.

 

Seriously guys... for Markus' sake, stop it, both of you.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

What, so the game was called off so that Saints fans could "properly" pay their respects at SMS? That is nothing to do with it. And further more, there is nothing stopping Saints fans doing that at MK Dons. Secondly, the complex admin/probate issues that you correctly alluded to would in NO WAY be effected by a run of the mill League One away game 3 days after his death!

 

Not getting in to an argument.

 

If the club feel it right to postpone the game then fair play to them, I support it 100%. Quite frankly it's got fook all to do with any of us who didn't know Markus personally.

 

That's my final comment on the subject.

[Smirking_Saint]

Oh do give it a rest.

 

Really ?

 

Hypo i was beginning to have a little bit of respect for you but over the past 24 hours you have come out of this looking like a tit.

 

I agree entirely with Crab Lungs, i am not one for an outpouring of emotion, in fact anyone who knows me knows i am not a very emotional person, but for some reason the passing of Liebherr has effected me and a lot of people. The club and MK Dons have clearly understood the feelings at the club and for many fans. If it turns out that ML has made provisions for the club after his death it makes the man even more selfless than he seemed to be. He seemed a nobel, friendly and happy man whenever you saw him in the photo's of him and from reports.

 

And you just snapped at Deppo complaining he didn't respect other peoples views, perhaps your name should be changed to Hypocrite ?

[Barry the Badger]

I honestly thought last night, hopefully this will bring everybody together and stop the petty bickering and moaning on this site.

 

Seems I was wrong.

 

I'm pleased that the clubs next game is at home, a chance to properly pay our respects.

[Victor]

I'm with those who believe it to be an over-reaction.

 

ML seemed a nice guy and it is very sad for his family, but we did not 'know' him. I suspect his reasons for taking over the club were not altruistic although when he took over there seemed a genuine desire to establish the club as an active and meaningful part of the community. NC, however, seems intent on alienating the fans and the football community in his focused and personal drive to get the club back to the premiership which has no place for sentiment. It is somewhat ironic therefore that the club is now taking a somewhat sickly-sentimental attitude to what is really a 'tragedy' that is personal to the Liebherr family.

 

We do not know to what extent NC's methods were driven by or perceived by ML and if ill-health prevented ML from having a bigger influence - maybe it was ill-health that prevented him from attending the Southend game - we simply do not know. As fans, we have been given short shrift; now they want us to join them in a public show of grief and hand-wringing when, personally, I believe most of us (if we are honest) are wondering how it will affect the club and the players will be wondering about their futures.

 

Meanwhile, the rest of the league are saying "Markus who?".

[Sour Mash]

Personally I think everyone has the right to grieve in any way which they see suitable. We don't know the 'real' reasons for the postponement. I imagine the probate issues are a real headache but who knows?!

 

I am the sort of person that doesn't grieve... mainly through my previous job... I am much more of a 'appreciate and celebrate' sort of person. Having said that, he was the owner of our club and saviour... so I think he warrants a period of mourning.

 

I'm not sure why anyone on here should "grieve" or be "in mourning", only applies to close friends and family surely? I'm gutted that ML has died, seemed like a proper sound gent, we've got loads to thank him for and 62 is no age really these days, but just keep a touch of perspective if we can?

[sfc1976]

Personally I find these post Diana public displays of mourning a little embarrassing. Maybe it's a generation thing, but I tend to favour the good old British mentality of 'keep calm and carry on'. Each to their own I guess, but I dont think I ever 'grieved' someone I've never met, and doubt I ever will. This is not to be confused with paying one's respects of course.

[Smirking_Saint]

Pretending you are a better fan than Wilko or that somehow he isn't sad that our owner has died? It is possible to discuss both, to be sad about his passing but also to worry about getting money back (thirty pounds is a hell of a lot to some.) Fed up with the sanctimonious stuff like we cannot possibly talk about anything because of his death. Get a grip.

 

Were have i said i am a better fan FFS ?

 

It just sounds a bit selfish to say, i know he has died but what about my money.

 

Get over yourself Hypo, really, aren't you the big man that your not bothered about a fellow persons passing.

 

As for not being able to talk about stuff, i was one of the ones asking the 'what now' questions last night and got shot down, but there is a difference between not talking and not caring.

[NickG]

No refund and I can't get to MK for any stupid midweek rearranged game.

 

The more I think about it, the more I think that this is an over the top Princess-Diana's-death-style reaction. It's very sad that he has died, but it's nowhere near as sad as Exeter striker Adam Stansfield's death of bowel cancer at the aged of just 31. I bet they are going ahead with their game on Saturday.

 

difference is it was his club. He owned it, owned the kits, the players etc - everyone there was employed by him

[bungle]

Don't really agree with calling it off, but there we go.

[NickG]

Not getting in to an argument.

 

If the club feel it right to postpone the game then fair play to them, I support it 100%. Quite frankly it's got fook all to do with any of us who didn't know Markus personally.

 

That's my final comment on the subject.

 

+1.

 

Whatever people think of Cortesse, as the man who would be going to MK as our chairman, he was very close to Markus and worked directly to him.

[View From The Top]

Don't really agree with calling it off, but there we go.

 

Why out of interest?

 

I'm not one of our Diana/scouse fans but I think it was the right to do.

[Pancake]

Not getting in to an argument.

 

If the club feel it right to postpone the game then fair play to them, I support it 100%. Quite frankly it's got fook all to do with any of us who didn't know Markus personally.

 

That's my final comment on the subject.

 

This. Stu is bang on the money AGAIN.

[warsash saint]

I'm with those who believe it to be an over-reaction.

 

ML seemed a nice guy and it is very sad for his family, but we did not 'know' him. I suspect his reasons for taking over the club were not altruistic although when he took over there seemed a genuine desire to establish the club as an active and meaningful part of the community. NC, however, seems intent on alienating the fans and the football community in his focused and personal drive to get the club back to the premiership which has no place for sentiment. It is somewhat ironic therefore that the club is now taking a somewhat sickly-sentimental attitude to what is really a 'tragedy' that is personal to the Liebherr family.

 

 

FFS Words fail me

[Saint Fan CaM]

Well done MK Dons and thank you. Our next game can now be at home and we can fulfill one of Markus's wishes and pack St Marys to the raffters.

 

This sums it up perfectly.

[ohwhenthesaints]

I'm with those who believe it to be an over-reaction.

 

ML seemed a nice guy and it is very sad for his family, but we did not 'know' him. I suspect his reasons for taking over the club were not altruistic although when he took over there seemed a genuine desire to establish the club as an active and meaningful part of the community. NC, however, seems intent on alienating the fans and the football community in his focused and personal drive to get the club back to the premiership which has no place for sentiment. It is somewhat ironic therefore that the club is now taking a somewhat sickly-sentimental attitude to what is really a 'tragedy' that is personal to the Liebherr family.

 

We do not know to what extent NC's methods were driven by or perceived by ML and if ill-health prevented ML from having a bigger influence - maybe it was ill-health that prevented him from attending the Southend game - we simply do not know. As fans, we have been given short shrift; now they want us to join them in a public show of grief and hand-wringing when, personally, I believe most of us (if we are honest) are wondering how it will affect the club and the players will be wondering about their futures.

 

Meanwhile, the rest of the league are saying "Markus who?".

 

The guy saved our club, we owe him so much. Now is not the time to start the NC debates again. We should be united in giving Markus the sending off he deserves next Saturday and show our gratitude for what he has done for us.

[dronskisaint]

Not getting in to an argument.

 

If the club feel it right to postpone the game then fair play to them, I support it 100%. Quite frankly it's got fook all to do with any of us who didn't know Markus personally.

 

That's my final comment on the subject.

 

I totally agree with this - however I felt a real sense of loss when John Lennon was shot although, of course, I never met him. Markus having saved our club got me in the same way.

 

I think the clubs/FL are right to allow this & am grateful for the gap.

[alpine_saint]

I'm with those who believe it to be an over-reaction.

 

ML seemed a nice guy and it is very sad for his family, but we did not 'know' him. I suspect his reasons for taking over the club were not altruistic although when he took over there seemed a genuine desire to establish the club as an active and meaningful part of the community. NC, however, seems intent on alienating the fans and the football community in his focused and personal drive to get the club back to the premiership which has no place for sentiment. It is somewhat ironic therefore that the club is now taking a somewhat sickly-sentimental attitude to what is really a 'tragedy' that is personal to the Liebherr family.

 

We do not know to what extent NC's methods were driven by or perceived by ML and if ill-health prevented ML from having a bigger influence - maybe it was ill-health that prevented him from attending the Southend game - we simply do not know. As fans, we have been given short shrift; now they want us to join them in a public show of grief and hand-wringing when, personally, I believe most of us (if we are honest) are wondering how it will affect the club and the players will be wondering about their futures.

 

Meanwhile, the rest of the league are saying "Markus who?".

 

Yeah, they are really saying "Markus Who" at MK Dons and Exeter City, and those are just two I know of.

 

I wish some people would put down their f**king agendas for just a couple of days out of common decency.

[hypochondriac]

smirking saint you are putting words in my mouth once again saying i do not care when this is clearly not the case. The post from sfc1976 sums up my feelings perfectly. Now please respect a persons right to discuss what saints related topics they wish and I will of course respect your view

[Hatch]

Personally I find these post Diana public displays of mourning a little embarrassing. Maybe it's a generation thing, but I tend to favour the good old British mentality of 'keep calm and carry on'. Each to their own I guess, but I dont think I ever 'grieved' someone I've never met, and doubt I ever will. This is not to be confused with paying one's respects of course.

 

 

This.

 

I find that picture of that tattooed bloke crying, cringeworthy.

[Smirking_Saint]

smirking saint you are putting words in my mouth once again saying i do not care when this is clearly not the case. The post from sfc1976 sums up my feelings perfectly. Now please respect a persons right to discuss what saints related topics they wish and I will of course respect your view

 

I am not getting into it right now, and will probably forget this petty arguement.

[markr27]

Exeter and Dag&Red are still deciding whether their game should go ahead - decision to be made later today.

Personally, I think they should call it off, allowing Exeter to play their next game, like Saints, at home.

 

Dag&Red and Exeter have postponed their game.

[Appy]

I expect the club feel that the players would not be in the right frame of mind, as I know a few of them and AP got to know him pretty well.

[Sour Mash]

Why out of interest?

 

I'm not one of our Diana/scouse fans but I think it was the right to do.

 

Just playing devil's advocate a bit, one could question how close any of the players of team management were to ML? I am sure they are guttted as we all are, but I'm not sure how seriously it would have effected a team of modern professionals. Also, why is calling the game off actually a "mark of respect"? What is "respectful" about calling the game off? Surely 4k+ of Saints fans at an away game giving ML a proper send off and the side playing their absolute guts out would do that more? Also, it always raises the question, who else's death would/should merit the postponement of the game?

 

As I say, just playing devil's advocate a bit. If those that are ITK at the club feel it is appropriate in this instance than so be it, its not really a case of "supporting" the decision or not, it is what it is, looking forward to the Orient game now.

[stevegrant]

Personally, I think the game should have gone ahead, with the players going out there with a "do it for Markus" attitude.

 

"The show must go on", as they say.

 

No issue with it being called off, mind you, can fully understand the decision. Also, from an entirely selfish point of view, it means I'll actually be able to go to the rearranged game.

[Ponty]

It boils down to one thing: if those at the club feel it's what they'd like to do, and those in charge at MKD and the FA understand and respect that, why can't our own fans?

[Kaiser Soze]

Think it's the right move. If you look at the QPR game when they lost Ray Jones we beat them comfortably 3-0. It's alright saying "let's do it for Markus" but sometimes emotion can take over and it has the reverse effect.

[dubai_phil]

Debating this decision at this time. Wrong.

 

This is a time when the people closest to Marcus, his family and friends may well be concerned with their own grief, as will many of his employees across many fields of business and sport.

 

Those people make the decisions now because they are closest to what is going on, be it the emotions of the Football Club or other issues.

 

The club, the FL and MK Dons have shown compassion and understanding at this time.

 

What a shame some think that 30 pounds (or was that pieces of silver) is more important

[Sour Mash]

Think it's the right move. If you look at the QPR game when they lost Ray Jones we beat them comfortably 3-0. It's alright saying "let's do it for Markus" but sometimes emotion can take over and it has the reverse effect.

 

Bit different between one of your close team mates and an old, foreign owner though mate?

[Guan 2.0]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly didn't know Markus Personally. However, I do feel a sense of Gratitude towards the man, and feel it is only appropiate to have a period of time to honour the man. I'm slightly old school in the sense that I think Black armbands/Minutes Silence (not a minutes applause, 90 minutes of applause after the silence. Says something if people can't keep quiet for a minute), but I can compherend that people want to show their gratitude and resepect in other ways, such as laying shirts, crying by the statue etc, even if it is a million miles away from what I would do. Although I would have thought going and winning on saturday would have been a personal tribute to remember, we have know way of knowing how this effects the upper echelons of the clubs team and executive management.

 

In that spirit, I find it a bit unnecessary for some people to mention the whole Lady Di/Scouse grief. At least in this case, the man in question had a tangible connection to those paying reverence to him, in that he saved the club we all support. Now is not the time to question his motives or denigrate our fellow fans for the way they choose to show respect. And in fact, the response of some on here comes across as very 'cyber warrior', even if that is genuinely not the intent. There really is no need to write the equivelent of 'I'm not grieving because I didn't know him, and anyone who does is a pu55y'. After all, relatives and friends of Mr Liebherr may have come on to the forum to add/view the condolences of saints fans.

 

It's about restraint and respect, and I'm sure whatever our viewpoint on postponements/levels of grief/costs incurred, we should be able to show that.

[Whitey Grandad]

If the club feel it's appropriate, then I for one will respect their decision. I'd like to thank MK Dons and the FA for their dignified approval.

[Sour Mash]

It boils down to one thing: if those at the club feel it's what they'd like to do, and those in charge at MKD and the FA understand and respect that, why can't our own fans?

 

Who is not "understanding" and "respecting" it? Don't really see the problem with people saying they think the game should have still gone ahead, we're not going to challenge the decision and turn up at the MK Bowl on Saturday at 3pm demanding to see a game.....

[Appy]

Exeter's game with Dagenham and Redbridge has also been postponed ater the death of Adam Stansfield.