St. Jason Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Its about time we fought back.......... "once proud club"..........."we apologise unreservedly to the fans" ...."blah blah bull****, its about time we decided whos' side we're on, Cortese and Saints or the currant bun! i personally never forgave them for Hillsborough FFs. Mods, how about getting behind the team/management and call for an embargo on the Currant Bun? Sorry mate but I'm with the Sun on this one. I don't buy the sun, I'm a Star man, but I do read the Sun and can't see where NC is coming from. People on here are saying "why should get our pics for free?" but don't forget Saints (if the Sun prints a pic) and the shirt sponsor is getting free advertising with a potential viewing client base of 3m! I personally think it's a good deal for both club and paper. Also I don't like the thought of the club selecting pro club pics only, if Pardew ****s Peter Ried on the touch line I want to see it, I don't like this kind of censorship! PS. I am 100% behind Saints and will eternally grateful for Leibherr investing in our club but that doesn't mean I have to blindly follow and agree with every decision NC makes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Sorry mate but I'm with the Sun on this one. I don't buy the sun, I'm a Star man, but I do read the Sun and can't see where NC is coming from. People on here are saying "why should get our pics for free?" but don't forget Saints (if the Sun prints a pic) and the shirt sponsor is getting free advertising with a potential viewing client base of 3m! I personally think it's a good deal for both club and paper. Also I don't like the thought of the club selecting pro club pics only, if Pardew ****s Peter Ried on the touch line I want to see it, I don't like this kind of censorship! PS. I am 100% behind Saints and will eternally grateful for Leibherr investing in our club but that doesn't mean I have to blindly follow and agree with every decision NC makes! I can see what Cortese is trying to do (maximise revenue, limit liability) but I think this is a battle we could do without at the moment. The free advertising point is moot as we don't have a sponsor at the moment, but it will become an issue if we seek one. ... But there's a part of me that likes sticking it to journos who, in the most part, are a hypocritical bunch who'll say whatever sells (or whatever their owner tells them to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 I can see what Cortese is trying to do (maximise revenue, limit liability) but I think this is a battle we could do without at the moment. The free advertising point is moot as we don't have a sponsor at the moment, but it will become an issue if we seek one. ... But there's a part of me that likes sticking it to journos who, in the most part, are a hypocritical bunch who'll say whatever sells (or whatever their owner tells them to). I agree, I can see NC's thinking about selling our own pic's at a premium but, and it's a huge BUT I think he's forgot we are in League 1, I'm pretty sure the nation can live without little old South Coast Club! As for shirt sponsorship, that got me thinking, I wonder how much of the "give the shirt to the fans" gesture with no sponsor is about giving it to the fans or part of the image rights as any shirt sponsor would be demanding his money back now as there is no viewing clients? One more point, I don't know but does the Premier League own the rights to all their teams? Would Saints have to allow The Sun etc to use their own photographers at Premier League games? If so why waste time now as ultimately that is where we want to be so all this feuding is pointless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 I agree, I can see NC's thinking about selling our own pic's at a premium but, and it's a huge BUT I think he's forgot we are in League 1, I'm pretty sure the nation can live without little old South Coast Club!! In which case what better time to get this backlash out of the way now, whilst nobody cares, so that by the time we're in the premiership it's all blown over and papers are buying our photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 16 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Bit embarassed about starting this thread now, as it seems so unimportant after the news about Markus! and it cost me an infraction )-; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 In which case what better time to get this backlash out of the way now, whilst nobody cares, so that by the time we're in the premiership it's all blown over and papers are buying our photos. If this was a viable business option, don't you think Liverpool, Man U, Arsenal etc etc etc, would be doing it with their significantly greater muscle? No club in the world to my knowledge does this, as it's in their interest to maximize exposure, and the few hundred quid a time they can make out of an image is peanuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 There are more important things right now; but anyway I think NC is (once again, sadly) scoring an stunning own goal when it comes to PR on this. Barmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 We're in league one, no one else cares about us. Case closed. then what is the problem then with what NC does either way...? surely, doing this now, riding the "little" storm will be worth it if we go up etc in the enxt few years... as for people saying this is a "massive" own goal....there is nothing massive about this....we have about 5 lines per week in the red tops...now we have 5 lines but called south coast club... i cant remember the last time I relied on the sun etc for match reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Jason Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 then what is the problem then with what NC does either way...? surely, doing this now, riding the "little" storm will be worth it if we go up etc in the enxt few years... as for people saying this is a "massive" own goal....there is nothing massive about this....we have about 5 lines per week in the red tops...now we have 5 lines but called south coast club... i cant remember the last time I relied on the sun etc for match reports. So you don't read the Sun or the Echo for anything Saints?? So you rely totally on the Saints own website, your a dream customer for SFC, corn fed what they want you to know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 The product sells itself, its not like we need to market our club, events etc... of course but im sure those that want to support our club do so and its not as if those that are really interested will be scratching their heads asking who are this South Coast Club they do not speak of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 So you don't read the Sun or the Echo for anything Saints?? So you rely totally on the Saints own website, your a dream customer for SFC, corn fed what they want you to know! seeing as I dont live in southampton..the echo is pretty much a no no...I may pop on there..but not to look at the pictures.. for match reports..I read this place..you get loads and can make an informed judgement...you also tend to know what people will post...example..NickG will say the players are brilliant when we have lost....and others will say they were crap when we have won... but you can make a very informed judgement and ask questions about the games by simply going on here...which beats any report in the echo..or the 5 lines in the sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyboy Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Right or wrong I still would like to see a rendition of "1-0 to the South Coast Club!" at the next game. In between the songs for Markus of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickfire Double Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Right or wrong I still would like to see a rendition of "1-0 to the South Coast Club!" at the next game. In between the songs for Markus of course. Right, definitely right! Assuming we go 1-0 up of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 16 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Right or wrong I still would like to see a rendition of "1-0 to the South Coast Club!" at the next game. In between the songs for Markus of course. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 I am afraid that while I think the Sun is a rubbish rag, Cortese's decision is wrong. The media have united against us and in a way I am glad. Cortese does not understand that in this country Freedom of the Press is a cornerstone of our democracy that acts as a counterbalance to arrogant and despotic decisions . Their pressure will either force him to change his mind or possibly force his removal. Well this sounds sensible to me. It is with some trepidation that I watch some Saints fans euphoric rhetoric gathering behind Cortese. Saints fans have often had need of the press in their hour of need to remove certain managers or chairman as the case may be. Whilst you may not always agree with the press they guard against minority radicals by publicising their often less than friendly ways. I really cannot see what banning the local paper and all the nationals from taking pictures at the ground can achieve? If anyone did pay for pictures - eventually the income generated would be tiny. Where as the anti Saints feeling generated by this escapade is palpable - how on earth is this a good thing? It's not just the Sun which has condemned this unilateral action, it's all the press - the Sun are just more vociferous in their condemnation that's all. Personally I am proud to pick up a paper whether national or local and read good things about Saints and they do represent our city after all. Bad publicity like this is undoubtedly also bad for the city too. Locally the Echo will often say things that I don't agree with about the club and very often about a game too. I have often scratched my head at the player ratings in fact all the time but again it's my news piece that doesn't belong to the club and is so important. I feel some fans are so in ore of the new money in the club they think that we should have no opinions which don't clammer to the undoubted ego's and poor decisions of the paymasters. Recent actions by the ChaiRman/CEO have taken something away from me which I and many others treasure. It wasn't costing him anything and it won't enhance the team in any way so why would you do it? My worry and the unpleasant reality might just be - he did it because he could and that is not in the fans best interest, along of course with a number of other similar style actions which have taken place..... The running of the club is increasingly looking like a dictatorship and dictators sensor papers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 I am concerned that this whole affair (whatever the rights and wrongs of press photographers being banned from SMS) will prove to be a distraction from the necessity of winning football matches. Of course the media are going ballistic, not because Cortese has taken this action, but because they fear that Premier sides will think it is a good idea and adopt that policy. After all, Nobody expects to take photos for free in a Theatre. OK, that's not quite the same as footie! I am far more interested in the team, the tactics, the new signings (?) and the results. At the moment the loss of ML and concern for his family and friends takes priority. Let us not all fall out over what a friend of mine once in refering to a particular newspaper, termed "Pernicious Literature." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 I. Of course the media are going ballistic,." live outside of southampton...then you would not have a clue..unless you looked out for the 5 line match report they give us.. seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 I meant to add WIFM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wightman35 Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Don't worry, I am serious, I do live a long way from Southampton (and the IOW!) and I do have a clue. Nor do I try to make offensive comments about other posters views!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 August, 2010 Share Posted 16 August, 2010 Don't worry, I am serious, I do live a long way from Southampton (and the IOW!) and I do have a clue. Nor do I try to make offensive comments about other posters views!! I must know avid football fans from all corners of the UK....at best..one or two knew about this at SMS...at worst..the reaction was...oh.. nothing masssive being reported down here in the west country...most, infact, nearly all could not care less about saints and a little tittle tattle with the press of course saints fans from where ever who have access to the net will know..but to suggest the press are going ballistic is way OTT..unless, the southampton region get a different issue of the sun/mirror to the rest of the country (which is possible) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodminSaint Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 seeing as I dont live in southampton..the echo is pretty much a no no...I may pop on there..but not to look at the pictures.. for match reports..I read this place..you get loads and can make an informed judgement...you also tend to know what people will post...example..NickG will say the players are brilliant when we have lost....and others will say they were crap when we have won... but you can make a very informed judgement and ask questions about the games by simply going on here...which beats any report in the echo..or the 5 lines in the sun I agree with this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 Its not just the Sun. The Times, Guardian and Telegraph are all reporting this and I have not looked at the others. It will raise sod all in income. It does not save us any cash. It is making us look, at best, silly. We dont have to have the media on our side, but I prefer it when they are. end of moan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 Its about time we fought back.......... "once proud club"..........."we apologise unreservedly to the fans" ...."blah blah bull****, its about time we decided whos' side we're on, Cortese and Saints or the currant bun! i personally never forgave them for Hillsborough FFs. What did they do at Hillsborough? Were they the ones at the back pushing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 I hate the S*n and Im glad Cortese has p*ssed them off. I saw that article while I was on holiday last week only because my brother-in-law reads the squalid rag, and I laughed my b*llocks off. I hope murdoch wakes up soon with a horses head on his pillow, plus agree/w those above about hillsborough, I bet the merseysiders raised a glass to us when they heard (not that theyd have seen it, I trust;) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Le Taxi Posted 17 August, 2010 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2010 (edited) What did they do at Hillsborough? Were they the ones at the back pushing? Ill informed AND innapropriate! Edited 17 August, 2010 by Jeff Le Taxi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 Its not just the Sun. The Times, Guardian and Telegraph are all reporting this and I have not looked at the others. It will raise sod all in income. It does not save us any cash. It is making us look, at best, silly. We dont have to have the media on our side, but I prefer it when they are. end of moan An excellent summary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 I hate the S*n and Im glad Cortese has p*ssed them off. I saw that article while I was on holiday last week only because my brother-in-law reads the squalid rag, and I laughed my b*llocks off. I hope murdoch wakes up soon with a horses head on his pillow, plus agree/w those above about hillsborough, I bet the merseysiders raised a glass to us when they heard (not that theyd have seen it, I trust;) ) If 'The Mersysiders' think it's such a good idea why aren't they doing it themselves - because it's it's NOT a good idea of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 If 'The Mersysiders' think it's such a good idea why aren't they doing it themselves - because it's it's NOT a good idea of course! Well, to get back to the thread title, the S*n doesnt sell much on merseyside even now, so they are doing it. (boycotting the paper, that is.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 17 August, 2010 Share Posted 17 August, 2010 I am afraid that while I think the Sun is a rubbish rag, Cortese's decision is wrong. The media have united against us and in a way I am glad. Cortese does not understand that in this country Freedom of the Press is a cornerstone of our democracy that acts as a counterbalance to arrogant and despotic decisions . Their pressure will either force him to change his mind or possibly force his removal. Have to agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deppo Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 http://newsarse.com/2009/08/07/rupert-murdoch-to-charge-idiots-to-read-rubbish/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 then what is the problem then with what NC does either way...? surely, doing this now, riding the "little" storm will be worth it if we go up etc in the enxt few years... as for people saying this is a "massive" own goal....there is nothing massive about this....we have about 5 lines per week in the red tops...now we have 5 lines but called south coast club... i cant remember the last time I relied on the sun etc for match reports. Sorry buy I have to disagree with this on one point. We did have 5 lines and we'll go back to 5 lines but at the moment we have 500 lines. As the great man once said, (I think it was either Barnum or Hearst) There is no such think as BAD publicity, just publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 http://newsarse.com/2009/08/07/rupert-murdoch-to-charge-idiots-to-read-rubbish/ And that reminds me. The Times on-line and the Sun ARE both charging for on-line access to their news that is in their newspapers, whereas site like the Guardians afre still free.......Think of the advertising revenue there lose, oh the shock, the horror............. Hipocratic muppets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 Can I also say that: a) If you don't get the Sun, does it matter if you agree with a boycott of the Sun b) If you don't buy the Sun and agree with their decision shouldn't you now buy the Sun c) If you disagree with Nicola's decision, should you not refer to him as the South Coast Club Chairmen b) If you think we will lose revenue from our shirt spoonsor, shouldn't you look at the front of our shirts 5) If you believe that we will lose games because of this shouldn't you be back by now as the nurses are probably looking for you H) If you are, should you not, then Cosmic Healing, backwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 And that reminds me. The Times on-line and the Sun ARE both charging for on-line access to their news that is in their newspapers, whereas site like the Guardians afre still free.......Think of the advertising revenue there lose, oh the shock, the horror............. Hipocratic muppets. Do they charge people who want to take photos of their online content then? Or do you have to buy pics of their web pages from their agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 I am afraid that while I think the Sun is a rubbish rag, Cortese's decision is wrong. The media have united against us and in a way I am glad. Cortese does not understand that in this country Freedom of the Press is a cornerstone of our democracy that acts as a counterbalance to arrogant and despotic decisions . Their pressure will either force him to change his mind or possibly force his removal. Whilst I think this is a sensible post, I don't believe that this issue would force his removal. It might be more likely that Cortese tires of us and leaves. But Nicola's views on his position at the club following Markus's sad passing is crucial. WE cannot have forgotten that it was he that persuaded Markus to invest in us, and it only happened because Markus persuaded Cortese to be fully responsible for running the club. We are all awaiting developments anxiously. Cortese may be a bit of a business totalitarian but I fear the return of the indisciplined muddle at the top that so ruined us. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the spat with the hypocritical rag it pales into insignificance for us now. RIP Marcus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 Sorry buy I have to disagree with this on one point. We did have 5 lines and we'll go back to 5 lines but at the moment we have 500 lines. As the great man once said, (I think it was either Barnum or Hearst) There is no such think as BAD publicity, just publicity. Yes, I believe Graham Taylor said the same thing regarding the press coverage of him as England manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 And that reminds me. The Times on-line and the Sun ARE both charging for on-line access to their news that is in their newspapers, whereas site like the Guardians afre still free.......Think of the advertising revenue there lose, oh the shock, the horror............. Hipocratic muppets. It's hypocrite. And it's not hypocrisy to charge for content. It would only be hypocrisy if the Sun were saying SFC should let fans in for free. Which, of course, they're not. In fact, they're not even asking for pictures for free. So that would be no hypocrisy at all there. Muppet. Can I also say that: a) If you don't get the Sun, does it matter if you agree with a boycott of the Sun b) If you don't buy the Sun and agree with their decision shouldn't you now buy the Sun c) If you disagree with Nicola's decision, should you not refer to him as the South Coast Club Chairmen b) If you think we will lose revenue from our shirt spoonsor, shouldn't you look at the front of our shirts 5) If you believe that we will lose games because of this shouldn't you be back by now as the nurses are probably looking for you H) If you are, should you not, then Cosmic Healing, backwards This is just dopey garbage. Guess what, no one thinks we'll lose games on the back of freaking photo ban. And, err, everyone here has figured out we don't have a shirt sponsor. So jolly well done on your sharp eyed satire of absolutely no one on earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 Probably the most publicity we've had since thing's went quiet 10 min ago. I am all for trying new idea's to make the club self sufficiant and if some of those idea's work they will be adopted by other club's. Take a few years to tell what's good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 Is the Echo ban over now, seeing as David Bick's contribution to todays service has been published by them in its entirety ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 echo haven't been banned from reporting on saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 echo haven't been banned from reporting on saints. They cant be banned from reporting on Saints, but the club can still withhold the use of its intellectual property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 which specific intellectual property do you think they are banned from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 they have only banned outside photographers from St Marys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 which specific intellectual property do you think they are banned from? Nothing specific. David Bick has been directly quoted - with or without permission ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 have been regularly quoting AP and players recently. the dispute with echo was resolved last season think its just photo thing that remains - which echo were going to agree with until industry pressure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 18 August, 2010 Share Posted 18 August, 2010 These are paper's, the media. Only one of which I buy (the football league paper) due to lack of general detailed coverage on anything below championship level. I would prefer to climb the league's with absolutely no media coverage what so ever, than sit in this one with the back page of every paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 21 August, 2010 Share Posted 21 August, 2010 I had to get a copy of the sun today, still the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 21 August, 2010 Share Posted 21 August, 2010 they have only banned outside photographers from St Marys. No, they have banned all Echo reporters bar one ( ?Gordon Simpson ) and obviously all Echo photographers. On another not, perfect opportunity today for Cortese to back down, this will be a test of his arrogance. He could go back on his decision without losing much face in the wake of Liebherrs death. ... let's see if he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 21 August, 2010 Share Posted 21 August, 2010 Is the Echo ban over now, seeing as David Bick's contribution to todays service has been published by them in its entirety ? It was on a public address system outside the church on public ground. There was nothing they could do to stop them reporting on the service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 21 August, 2010 Share Posted 21 August, 2010 And on a last point... it is not just shirt sponsorship that benefit from us being covered nationally, it is perimeter advertising etc as well which benefit from the national coverage. I have heard that more than one company have withdrawn their advertising from SMS in light of the photographers ban. Have a look round today at the lack of perimeter advertising... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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