bad week again for the moaners

[Snowballs2]

We ALL want to see Saints win EVERY game, however what us realists want is to see an end to false optimism, with the young team that we have our only objective this year is to avoid relegation and get as many points as possible. That is a realistic view...so whats wrong with that. We don't have the rose tinted specs that the super optimists have, too often in the past silly statements are made to wind up a realistic attitude...Like "we will walk this league"

[Guest Hacienda]

i started this thread because of all the negativity from certain posters. ref things like relegated by xmas . while i watch a side given 100% for the shirt.

 

Anything sensible you may write is cancelled out by the composition, grammar and spelling of a retard, added to your obvious desire to be recognised as a super-fan.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I don't understand why people think that those who moan about results prefer us to lose.

 

I don't know why putting forward a sceptical or even a critical point of view is thought to be 'moaning'. The sceptical point of view may be proved wrong, but it isn't moaning.

 

The major moaners are those who don't think a critical viewpoint should even be allowed, let alone expressed.

[Saint Bones]

So who's winning ? The Moaners or the Moanee's ?

[OldNick]

We ALL want to see Saints win EVERY game, however what us realists want is to see an end to false optimism, with the young team that we have our only objective this year is to avoid relegation and get as many points as possible. That is a realistic view...so whats wrong with that. We don't have the rose tinted specs that the super optimists have, too often in the past silly statements are made to wind up a realistic attitude...Like "we will walk this league"

Snowballs that is fine but some of it can be seen as intentionally to stir the pot and then in turn be political about the board etc.

Today there has been a lack of snipes at LC MW or RL that is fine by me, we talk football and that makes us all the better IMO

[derry]

Indeed, most Saints fans would agree I'm sure. There's no need for everyone to become a knee jerker and suddenly think we're amazing on the back of a few good league results.

 

A point on Saturday and i'd be very happy.

 

Or have a feeding frenzy when we lose.

[Boris Karloff]

Lets not get carried away with two wins in a row , a draw against Coventry would be a good result

 

I love it. We have a couple of wins and people are going "don't get carried away" yet after a couple of defeats everybody was getting carried away and saying we were doomed. We could win every game until the end of the season and win the Championship and there would still be people who would say "let's not get carried away, it's only the Championship".

[alpine_saint]

Snowballs that is fine but some of it can be seen as intentionally to stir the pot and then in turn be political about the board etc.

Today there has been a lack of snipes at LC MW or RL that is fine by me, we talk football and that makes us all the better IMO

 

That Rupert Lowe is a prize toffee-nosed front-bottom...

 

[CabbageFace]

We Will Walk This League.

[OldNick]

That Rupert Lowe is a prize toffee-nosed front-bottom...

 

Is he related to you then Alps?.....kidding

[OldNick]

I love it. We have a couple of wins and people are going "don't get carried away" yet after a couple of defeats everybody was getting carried away and saying we were doomed. We could win every game until the end of the season and win the Championship and there would still be people who would say "let's not get carried away, it's only the Championship".

we havent had 'it's only Norwich' yet.......que the smarta###

[AndyNorthernSaints]

hope we get at least a point at coventry but has anyone noticed we have gone 4 championship games unbeaten.

A point at Cov! I hope we get 3 points. Stop moaning and being so negative :-)

[itchen]

I understand his sentiments, and perhaps thye were antagonistic but to be fair when we have a bad result a lot of the more negative fans put up many posts that are IMo antagonistic. It is a release for some of the original posters frustrations to be aired.

 

 

But not really necessary though, is it? All it's done is give the moaners a platform to come and moan about people moaning about them. I'm not sure how that helps any of us.

 

Anyway, I KNOW my opinion is more valid than anyone else's otherwise I'd hold a different one. ;-)

[St Marco]

2 great results but i think people need to be realisitc (again) here. I expected nothing but 2 wins from Doncaster and Norwich. They are poor teams. Didnt Norwich have like 9 players on loan or something in that game? If we had lost those games it would of been a disaster. Both of those games we were handed very fortunate decisions and had for the first time in years luck on our side. If Davis had not made the saves he did which were not "OK" they were world class it would of been different. Such is football.

The team played well last night but lets not go overboard here and try and say things are ok and were be alright or the "moaners" are wrong to moan etc.. 1 good performance does not make up for pretty much 6 poor ones. We need to work on a lot of things but this is steps in the right direction. And if things continue as they have over the last 2 games were be fine. Imagine if we had lost those 2 games. We would be 3 points a drift at the bottom of the league. So everyone should be happy we are not. The lads received massive support from the fans last night and hopefully now they take confidence in that and put in a performance at Coventry.

[solentstars]

A point at Cov! I hope we get 3 points. Stop moaning and being so negative :-)

your right:D3 points on saturday.

[OldNick]

2 great results but i think people need to be realisitc (again) here. I expected nothing but 2 wins from Doncaster and Norwich. They are poor teams. Didnt Norwich have like 9 players on loan or something in that game? If we had lost those games it would of been a disaster. Both of those games we were handed very fortunate decisions and had for the first time in years luck on our side. If Davis had not made the saves he did which were not "OK" they were world class it would of been different. Such is football.

The team played well last night but lets not go overboard here and try and say things are ok and were be alright or the "moaners" are wrong to moan etc.. 1 good performance does not make up for pretty much 6 poor ones. We need to work on a lot of things but this is steps in the right direction. And if things continue as they have over the last 2 games were be fine. Imagine if we had lost those 2 games. We would be 3 points a drift at the bottom of the league. So everyone should be happy we are not. The lads received massive support from the fans last night and hopefully now they take confidence in that and put in a performance at Coventry.

StM I take issue with this post, go back to the thread Relegation/this season a couple of weeks ago and you stated then that we were doomed and we had played nearly a quarter of the season. You did not put in that piece you 'expected us to win' these 2 games. we are still not a quarter into the season and so perhaps you should reign in a bit of the more downbeat quotes and perhaps yourself be a little more realistic.

As for the saves, what is world class? I find that difficult to assess myself. The odds for the Norwich player to score were very high , he had got clear just the keeper to beat and had many options and time, KD saved it and it proved to be match winning. World class i dont know but probably the most important thing to happen in the whole game to put the chances of a result in his teams favour.

[solentstars]

Anything sensible you may write is cancelled out by the composition, grammar and spelling of a retard, added to your obvious desire to be recognised as a super-fan.

my you are amazing you can read minds of us posters now:pits all news to me,i,m just your normal saints fans on a forum.

[JohnnyFartPants]

my you are amazing you can read minds of us posters now:pits all news to me,i,m just your normal saints fans on a forum.

 

Though you proved him right on the composition, grammar and spelling!!

[solentstars]

2 great results but i think people need to be realisitc (again) here. I expected nothing but 2 wins from Doncaster and Norwich. They are poor teams. Didnt Norwich have like 9 players on loan or something in that game? If we had lost those games it would of been a disaster. Both of those games we were handed very fortunate decisions and had for the first time in years luck on our side. If Davis had not made the saves he did which were not "OK" they were world class it would of been different. Such is football.

The team played well last night but lets not go overboard here and try and say things are ok and were be alright or the "moaners" are wrong to moan etc.. 1 good performance does not make up for pretty much 6 poor ones. We need to work on a lot of things but this is steps in the right direction. And if things continue as they have over the last 2 games were be fine. Imagine if we had lost those 2 games. We would be 3 points a drift at the bottom of the league. So everyone should be happy we are not. The lads received massive support from the fans last night and hopefully now they take confidence in that and put in a performance at Coventry.

good post ,great support yesterday.

[aintforever]

I think the poster of this thread mis-understands the point of being negative, when you are pessimistic you get too enjoy the glory of victory as well as the delight of being pleasantly surprised. All positive fans get is the mere reward of an expected result.

 

Plus by being pessimistic us negative fans are reducing the weight of expectation on our player's young shoulders thus helping their performance.

 

I still think we will go down.

[mulletsaint]

Let me see if I can say this without being banned;

Anybody who thinks that what he/she calls "the moaners" rejoice when Saints do badly is an absolutely clueless, shortsighted, childish .

Going by your spelling and punctuation (yes I know, that's a big word and may be hard for you to understand) you may fit the bill.

 

Maybe because that's exactly the sort of impression that some of the "moaners" tend to give. I know that some of the guys on this site have me down as one of the happy clappy brigade. This always makes me smile, as if you asked most of my mates and family who is the most pessimistic, moany person they know I would probably be top of the pile by some distance. In fact if it weren't for Alpine;) I'd probably take gold at 2012 should it be made an olympic sport!

 

I can appreciate people getting upset when we lose, especially when the ,performances are dire. I do though, have a problem with people using bad performances to get on the case of those running the club and team that then claim that these people had nothing to do with the team winning. It cuts both ways.

 

Stories surrounding Lowe including him deciding which players to buy or picking the team, swing from possible to highly unlikely, and I can understand how this would be a sorry state of affairs if true, but without proof I'm willing to take what's going on at face value. Please note those of you that claim these sort of stories as fact, I'm willing to change my mind that this is all just part of the spin war, if and when real tangible proof is made available. Until that time you're as much of a problem as those you seek to hound out.

 

If we take it that the club is royally skint we have little option but accept that for most of this season we are going to be relying on youth and that at times it's going to be a struggle. I'll be as unhappy as the next fan but I believe that the kids will be more likely to suffer from losses in morale, so I also believe it is up to us to help them through it, not get on their backs.

 

Finally, I'm sorry Alpine if you think I'm picking on you, but you have to admit that your histrionics make you an easy target. Last night on the post match thread there was proof that you are able to balance the positives with the negatives. Believe it or not there are some things that we do agree on, for instance I can't believe that we have not addressed the full back problems yet.

 

Pity the good points are all too often lost amongst the guff.

[saint1977]

sorry we won again today i know it upsetsl you moaners and whingers .its spoiled your week again ,i know you love it when we lose so you can stick the boot into the team and manager,i saw a good exciting team today and a lot of promise our youngsters.

 

This is just football fans reverting to type, look at the Norwich fans on the "made me laugh" thread on here today. Yes, great to get 2 wins and I was there last night (Kelvin was superb again), well done to the lads but we still need a takeover to keep Lallana, Surman et al and you can't escape that I'm afraid sonny. A credit to the lads though that they've turned it around after the Rotherham debacle and are now above parachute teams in Charlton (who are heading rapidly for similar problems to us) and Derby.

[offix]

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[Saint_John]

2 great results but i think people need to be realisitc (again) here. I expected nothing but 2 wins from Doncaster and Norwich. ...

Exactly, some of the supporters go completely over the top as soon as we win a game.

 

The facts are we are currently 16th in the league.

Our record against the 15 sides above us is W=0,D=1,L=4.

Our record against the 8 sides below us is W=3,D=1,L=0.

Basically we are only winning the "6-pointer" games against sides below us at the moment.

 

In the next 2 months (11 games) we only play 2 sides below us, and November looks like being a very big test for the young kids.

[DT]

Exactly, some of the supporters go completely over the top as soon as we win a game.

 

The facts are we are currently 16th in the league.

Our record against the 15 sides above us is W=0,D=1,L=4.

Our record against the 8 sides below us is W=3,D=1,L=0.

Basically we are only winning the "6-pointer" games against sides below us at the moment.

 

In the next 2 months (11 games) we only play 2 sides below us, and November looks like being a very big test for the young kids.

Let's get the top of the league. Then all the teams we will play will be below us, so we will win the Championship and get promoted. Wasted round here I am.

[St Marco]

StM I take issue with this post, go back to the thread Relegation/this season a couple of weeks ago and you stated then that we were doomed and we had played nearly a quarter of the season. You did not put in that piece you 'expected us to win' these 2 games. we are still not a quarter into the season and so perhaps you should reign in a bit of the more downbeat quotes and perhaps yourself be a little more realistic.

As for the saves, what is world class? I find that difficult to assess myself. The odds for the Norwich player to score were very high , he had got clear just the keeper to beat and had many options and time, KD saved it and it proved to be match winning. World class i dont know but probably the most important thing to happen in the whole game to put the chances of a result in his teams favour.

 

 

If you had read what i have been saying from pre-season up until yesterday you would see i never once said we were doomed, i said we need to keep our feet on the ground. We have played poorly for the majority of the season. We have finally produced a game that the fans deserve. I dont look at wins against Doncaster and Norwich and think things will be great and i dont look at loses against Blackpool and QPR and think things will be bad. I see a team that is playing for the majority of it the first time. They dont know football yet, they are learning it. I have been the voice of caution saying dont put pressure on them to be this all amazing team because that is just stupid. They deserve the support of the fans win or lose and they deserve the time to actually learn to play. How anyone can see a win against Doncaster and Norwich = out of trouble really does beg belief. We have 11 points from 27 that is not something to praise or to start bringing out the "we were right everything is going to be fine" type statements from.

 

We have 4 very tough games now of which i don't expect we will get many points from. If the team from last night plays as they did in that game then we have a chance IF we can take our chances. We can't rely on 35yrd flukes, people scoring own goals, refs giving us the rub of the green, sending people off for nothing and most importantly we can't expect Davis to keep bailing out our defence. You are no doubt one of the people applauding the defence right now, where as i am not. If Kelvin haden't pulled some simply outstanding saves out of his ass over the past 2 games we would be here slating them. You give those chances to a team above the pedigree of Doncaster,Norwich and you will be burried. Look at the Rotheram game to see that. Kelvin didn't play and we got battered.

 

So as i said the lads now have a platform to build from. They have gone 4 games undefeated in the CCC. We have won two in a row, one home and away. The fans were behind them and in my view that made a world of difference. They should be high in confidence and up for saturday. If they don't turn up and we get slaughtered i won't come on here looking for your post saying "i told you so". Simply because if we lose we have lost nothing and there is still time. If we win then i will still say what i say now, the boys are trying and given the time they deserve to learn can go on to be a good group of players. The difference being that before the season started you and others were saying we would be mid-table or beyond. As i said we have 11 points from 27, if you said to people that is what we would have come october i doubt many would be happy about it. Where as i would. I support the team win or lose not the board room. Last years team were awful but i still supported them and that is one thing you can never deny. I am not a fair weather fan and even if Lowe does sell Davis and Lallana in January i will still be there cheering on their replacements. (lets hope he doesnt do that of course).

[qwertySFC]

How can it be a bad week when we've just taken 6pts?

 

I detest Lowe with a passion and still have doubts about some of the on field issues, such as full backs, but I'm delighted with 6pts.

 

Well said , Fair play where it is due ,JP has rekindled the team to two wins after a dismal run of form, some thing seems to be ticking nicely at the moment. I do wonder if the departure of ND has sent a few messages to the team that a non positive attitude has no place at SMS.

 

Please let this little run be the start of some thing promising

[Snowballs2]

Alpine I dont believe its any different than a poster after a defeat come on and find negatives to annoy fans who have spent their time and money going to watch a game.They are upset as it is by the result and then dont need to have some point out the bleeding obvious or pick away at the fans moral even more.

Yes we may have to sell in january, we all knew that so why do fans point it out agian when we are still trying to enjoy the moment.The fans being demoralised by fans spouting negatives on all the forums does make a diference because these fans go out to the pubs and clubs and spread the word good and bad. A good feel and that spreads and may just get a few others go to the games.

 

 

So are you suggesting that all thoughts be censored, no freedom of expression, the same rule should opearate for those with opposite views then

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

sorry we won again today i know it upsetsl you moaners and whingers .its spoiled your week again ,i know you love it when we lose so you can stick the boot into the team and manager,i saw a good exciting team today and a lot of promise our youngsters.

 

Unnecessarily argumentative and rather narrow-minded , have you considered a career in politics ? :smt021

[Johnny Shearer]

Tis funny.

 

I have to admit I cant stand this realists V happy clappies business.

[solentstars]

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