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So... one of the many discussions I've had amongst my group of friends are who are the twenty biggest football clubs in the land (in terms of attendances, but with a small emphasis on trophies) and what would be the ideal Premier League lineup?

 

There are obvious omissions like Blackburn, Blackpool, Bolton and Wigan, that's a given. There are also obvious stalwarts, such as United, City, Liverpool and Arsenal. But what of the rest?

 

What would be your top 20 english clubs?

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London

 

Arsenal , Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham

 

Midlands

 

Villa, Wolves, Birmingham , Forest, Stoke, Derby, Norwich

 

Ooop North

 

Liverpool, Everton, Manchester x 2, Leeds, Wednesday, Newcastle, Sunderland

 

South

 

South Coast Team

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So... one of the many discussions I've had amongst my group of friends are who are the twenty biggest football clubs in the land (in terms of attendances, but with a small emphasis on trophies) and what would be the ideal Premier League lineup?

 

There are obvious omissions like Blackburn, Blackpool, Bolton and Wigan, that's a given. There are also obvious stalwarts, such as United, City, Liverpool and Arsenal. But what of the rest?

 

What would be your top 20 english clubs?

 

For me personally the 20 would be:

 

Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Everton, Tottenham, Man City, Newcastle, Sunderland, Wednesday, L**ds, Forest, West Ham, Derby, Wolves, Blackburn, West Brom, Sheff United, and finally Ipswich or Norwich (I can't pick between them).

 

You could arguably have clubs like Southampton, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Birmingham in for some of the others. You're not far away. Blackburn are in for me on trophies won.

 

Sheff Wednesday have to be in there

 

Would you include Forest?

 

I would purely for their success under Clough.

 

But don't Sheff United average more than Wednesday? I had that dilemma... my initial suggestion was Wednesday, then I thought about United... then I considered that maybe, just maybe, they are both Premier League sized clubs. :)

 

Only for 3 of the last 30 seasons have the Pigs had a higher average attendance than us. Going back even further, only very rarely have they been higher in history too. It's only Premiership football, free Under 13s STs, and some buy 1 get 1 free ticket deals that have seen their recent higher crowds. We're bigger than them in just about every other respect too.

 

Bigger ground.

More seasons in the top flight.

More higher finishes in the top flight.

More trophy wins.

A trophy win in living memory (the 4th Division win they had doesn't count ;) )

We've been in Europe they haven't.

Higher record attendance.

Higher record transfer fee paid.

More players capped for England.

 

 

Some other good trivia facts:

 

United took their nickname 'the Blades' from us. Originally we used to be the Blades, and United were the Cutlers, but we ditched it and they took on the nickname the Blades.

We call United the Pigs because their red and white striped shirts look like streaky bacon. They copied us by calling us Pigs even though there is no such thing as blue and white bacon.

Also, Bramall Lane (before they moved in) used to be our ground. We played there for many years before them and moved to Olive Grove and then to Hillsborough. Again they copied us by moving in.

 

;) Forever in our shadow.

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I'd have:

From the current lot

Arse

Chelsea

Mancs x2

Scousers x2

Spuds

Villa

Newcastle

Makems

Brum

WBA

West Ham

 

Then I'd add

Saints

Leeds

Blades

Wednesday

Norwich

Derby

Forest

 

So we are losing Blackpool, Wigan, Blackburn, Bolton, Fulham, Wolves and Stoke

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Interesting from Tartan Owl, thank you for setting my straight on the Sheff U/Sheff W situation!

 

I've seen a few people leave out Wolves... I thought, with their history and their crowds they might sneak in above WBA?

 

As for Southampton, it's difficult but I think they might just be in the top 20 clubs. That said, there are so many of a similar size; Derby, Leicester, Coventry, Sheff U, Ipswich, Norwich, Brum etc...

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For me personally the 20 would be:

 

Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Aston Villa, Everton, Tottenham, Man City, Newcastle, Sunderland, Wednesday, L**ds, Forest, West Ham, Derby, Wolves, Blackburn, West Brom, Sheff United, and finally Ipswich or Norwich (I can't pick between them).

 

You could arguably have clubs like Southampton, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Birmingham in for some of the others. You're not far away. Blackburn are in for me on trophies won.

 

 

 

I would purely for their success under Clough.

 

 

 

Only for 3 of the last 30 seasons have the Pigs had a higher average attendance than us. Going back even further, only very rarely have they been higher in history too. It's only Premiership football, free Under 13s STs, and some buy 1 get 1 free ticket deals that have seen their recent higher crowds. We're bigger than them in just about every other respect too.

 

Bigger ground.

More seasons in the top flight.

More higher finishes in the top flight.

More trophy wins.

A trophy win in living memory (the 4th Division win they had doesn't count ;) )

We've been in Europe they haven't.

Higher record attendance.

Higher record transfer fee paid.

More players capped for England.

 

 

Some other good trivia facts:

 

United took their nickname 'the Blades' from us. Originally we used to be the Blades, and United were the Cutlers, but we ditched it and they took on the nickname the Blades.

We call United the Pigs because their red and white striped shirts look like streaky bacon. They copied us by calling us Pigs even though there is no such thing as blue and white bacon.

Also, Bramall Lane (before they moved in) used to be our ground. We played there for many years before them and moved to Olive Grove and then to Hillsborough. Again they copied us by moving in.

 

;) Forever in our shadow.

 

... until now

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Yrs Pl W D L F A Pts

 

1. Everton 104 4062 1652 998 1412 6373 - 5719 4302

2. Liverpool 92 3678 1692 913 1073 6019 - 4535 4297

3. Arsenal 90 3678 1629 954 1095 5994 - 4694 4212

4. Aston Villa 96 3728 1541 868 1319 6202 - 5564 3950

5. Manchester United 82 3322 1529 835 958 5663 - 4391 3893

6. Newcastle United 77 3084 1220 748 1116 4754 - 4427 3188

7. Manchester City 78 3164 1175 787 1202 4759 - 4768 3137

8. Tottenham Hotspur 72 2938 1176 715 1047 4585 - 4227 3067

9. Sunderland 76 2960 1165 676 1119 4745 - 4552 3006

10. Chelsea 72 2942 1113 777 1052 4351 - 4334 3003

11. West Bromwich Albion 71 2766 1007 670 1089 4230 - 4408 2684

12. Sheffield Wednesday 66 2582 980 612 990 3976 - 4020 2572

13. Bolton Wanderers 68 2612 965 598 1049 3939 - 4160 2528

14. Blackburn Rovers 67 2530 960 599 971 4081 - 4048 2519

15. Derby County 64 2430 905 577 948 3744 - 3821 2387

16. Wolverhampton Wanderers 60 2308 918 518 872 3912 - 3748 2354

17. Sheffield United 60 2356 871 560 925 3531 - 3762 2302

18. Leeds United 50 2060 846 523 691 3079 - 2784 2215

19. Middlesbrough 58 2324 796 578 950 3328 - 3603 2170

20. Nottingham Forest 56 2178 800 549 829 3069 - 3171 2149

21. Burnley 51 1982 784 447 751 3163 - 3157 2015

22. Birmingham City 54 2192 695 546 951 2928 - 3489 1936

23. West Ham United 50 2054 709 504 841 2976 - 3263 1922

24. Stoke City 52 1992 662 474 856 2657 - 3134 1798

25. Preston North End 46 1720 671 390 659 2701 - 2569 1732

26. Leicester City 46 1900 603 500 797 2796 - 3247 1706

27. Southampton 35 1416 464 391 561 1868 - 2080 1319

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Yrs Pl W D L F A Pts

 

1. Everton 104 4062 1652 998 1412 6373 - 5719 4302

2. Liverpool 92 3678 1692 913 1073 6019 - 4535 4297

3. Arsenal 90 3678 1629 954 1095 5994 - 4694 4212

4. Aston Villa 96 3728 1541 868 1319 6202 - 5564 3950

5. Manchester United 82 3322 1529 835 958 5663 - 4391 3893

6. Newcastle United 77 3084 1220 748 1116 4754 - 4427 3188

7. Manchester City 78 3164 1175 787 1202 4759 - 4768 3137

8. Tottenham Hotspur 72 2938 1176 715 1047 4585 - 4227 3067

9. Sunderland 76 2960 1165 676 1119 4745 - 4552 3006

10. Chelsea 72 2942 1113 777 1052 4351 - 4334 3003

11. West Bromwich Albion 71 2766 1007 670 1089 4230 - 4408 2684

12. Sheffield Wednesday 66 2582 980 612 990 3976 - 4020 2572

13. Bolton Wanderers 68 2612 965 598 1049 3939 - 4160 2528

14. Blackburn Rovers 67 2530 960 599 971 4081 - 4048 2519

15. Derby County 64 2430 905 577 948 3744 - 3821 2387

16. Wolverhampton Wanderers 60 2308 918 518 872 3912 - 3748 2354

17. Sheffield United 60 2356 871 560 925 3531 - 3762 2302

18. Leeds United 50 2060 846 523 691 3079 - 2784 2215

19. Middlesbrough 58 2324 796 578 950 3328 - 3603 2170

20. Nottingham Forest 56 2178 800 549 829 3069 - 3171 2149

21. Burnley 51 1982 784 447 751 3163 - 3157 2015

22. Birmingham City 54 2192 695 546 951 2928 - 3489 1936

23. West Ham United 50 2054 709 504 841 2976 - 3263 1922

24. Stoke City 52 1992 662 474 856 2657 - 3134 1798

25. Preston North End 46 1720 671 390 659 2701 - 2569 1732

26. Leicester City 46 1900 603 500 797 2796 - 3247 1706

27. Southampton 35 1416 464 391 561 1868 - 2080 1319

 

Ok, so what are those positions actually based on? Doesn't seem to be in points order, or wins..

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