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We cannot wait 10 games if we want promotion, sorry..

 

Come Alpine, surely even you don't believe that after one game AP's position should be doubted? So if we've won 6, drawn 1 and lost 3 after 10 games - you would sack AP would you? Even though that is significantly better than last seasons results at the same time and based on last season would see us go up as Champions? If you think that's the right approach based on your dogmatic position r.e. AP then I can understand why you get pulled over the coals on here TBH.

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Something just didn't seem right on Saturday. Couldn't put my finger on it but the vibe was wrong and my gut instinct is that Pardew, wrongly IMHO, is on his way out sooner rather than later.

 

I would suggest that the issue with your guts was self-inflicted. Or perhaps it was the terrible support from the Northam that made you feel that way - the atmosphere in the ground was muted and for me one issue with this club is there are too many fickle fans who expected success on a plate. Typified by the idiot booing mob.

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I would suggest that the issue with your guts was self-inflicted. Or perhaps it was the terrible support from the Northam that made you feel that way - the atmosphere in the ground was muted and for me one issue with this club is there are too many fickle fans who expected success on a plate. Typified by the idiot booing mob.

 

We shall see in the fullness of time but I don't expect AP to be our manager at the end of this season, or even the year.

 

It will be a mistake but hey ho.

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Not saying he should go, but as a side thought, if AP did at some point get the boot, do you think Cortese would bring in a proven League One/Championship manager or use his "contacts" to bring in someone from the continent?

 

The latter would be a huge risk if it did happen (we all enjoyed "the Dutch experiment" under Lowe didn't we?), but I could see it happening.

 

Firstly, having started the season with AP it would make no sense to sack him so early. The time to do that would have been May but, for whatever reason, NC stuck with him so he is pretty much committed to the present set up for now, you would think. AP, of course, deserves a fair crack at it for the work he has already put in. He has, in fact, rebuilt the football side of things almost single handedly from the train wreck he found when he arrived. Much of which would presumably be dismantled if he left, perhaps including the entire scouting network, and key players may want to leave as well.

 

However, should results be sub par then at some stage NC will surely act (wield the axe), but what criteria would trigger such action and when remains an unknown. Meanwhile a simple statement of support from NC would take a lot of pressure off AP and the team for the time being.

 

FWIW, if AP were to go at any stage I think SOD would be ideal for us, the guy is well qualified and really knows his stuff, just look at what he's done at Donny. NC may know nothing about him though, except that he keeps knocking him back for Stock! My best guess would be Zola who is Italian, plays good football and has charisma and much experience in England. He seems to tick all the right boxes for NC who would presumably be in his element chatting away in Italian to a manager he truly picked himself, rather than one suggested to him...

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I like Alan Pardew he is a good manager and I for one do not want him to leave. Stability is the answer

Also if like some of the ghouls on here who want to see his head on a plate. Have you thought of the potential damage it would do to the Club. I suspect either a lower premiership side or championship side would snap him up if he left. but heres the bottom line if he did go he would take all his background staff and also would be in the market to take our better players to the club he potential could go to.

 

Look at Redkrapp and the amount of players he has taken to spurs, Avan grant , Gordan Strachen etc So its not just a manager we would lose but various players. Watch Aston Villa now O'neill has gone

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Obviously I am totally dreaming here but if there was a even the tiniest possibility of us getting Martin O'Neill then that would be absolutely fantastic. He is the best manager in England and you only have to ask fans of his former clubs what they think of him, he literally walked on water in Glasgow - and that's coming form a Rangers fan. If anyone reading this in any way can have any influence to get O'Neill to Saints then please do it!

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Have we forgotten so quickly one of the reasons we're in this league?!

 

Far too many managerial changes in far too short a time...Lowe (& I'm not a habitual Lowe-basher, just thought he should not have returned) thought that you could fix things by changing the manager...result - instability, inconsistency & where we are now.

 

The players need to know the way that they are striving to play is the same way that they've worked toward all last season & that it is a succesful formula. This was proved by the cup run & the small number of matches lost last year, Of course we should press on & make sure some of those draws are wins this time around & that will come if the squad are allowed to develop & the squad has quality added...think of those who were taking the money last year who aren't there now.

 

Adding good players to a system that matured in to a feared & effective team last year is what will take us up this year. It's happening, it needs to be allowed to keep happening. I'm totally disbelieving of anyone who is writing us or AP off after one game of the season....it's just madness to call for a managerial change.:x

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I predict a slow start this season which will call for some fans to question Pardew's position

 

As a reality check compare WGS's reign at Boro.

 

Most people would agree that WGS was our most successful Manager in recent times and would have been glad to have him back.

 

However his record at Boro' has been 9 wins in 35 games.

 

He has been given a large transfer budget and Boro' are favourites for Promotion yet lost 3-1 at home to Ipswich

Just a factual point to put our situation in perspective.

However Nigel Pearson on the other hand........................

 

 

.or maybe after today's shock news ..we'll have Martin O'Neill at the helm next week ?

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This really is not the time to be questioning Alan Pardew's future in my view . Everyone on here knows what he has to achieve by next May , so unless and until it looks like we're going to fail again this season we might as well let him get on with it .

 

But it is not "we" who will be making the decision and that may well be the problem.

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After one game, without it's best two players the team and therefore the manager are questioned after a defeat down to a mistake in defence.

 

What happens then is that some of the fanbase think that either the players or the manager or both aren't up to the task.

 

At half time in said game no one would have felt the same.

 

Therefore anyone who thinks the manager isn't good enough now should think how they felt at half time!!

 

Get a grip saints fans..........

For me the concern is that we do not appear to have contingency plans for RL's absence, with basically the same squad from last season we should have been practicing how to deliver a service to DC and LB to make the best of their qualities. In the 1st half we should have been 2-0 up irrespective of who the strikers were. It's not about changing the Manager, it's about varying the game plan as the game dictates.

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This really is not the time to be questioning Alan Pardew's future in my view . Everyone on here knows what he has to achieve by next May , so unless and until it looks like we're going to fail again this season we might as well let him get on with it .

 

agree.

 

Think he is plenty good enough for us.

 

If he is failing miserably (which I doubt) then of course he will be (and need to be) replaced, if he is on target, or there abouts we need to stick with him

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this is pure farce. AP will be here at christmas

 

Up until the weekend I would have agreed but now I really don't think he will be.

 

During the 2nd half on Saturday I said to another poster that another couple of performances like that and AP will be gone as NC won't tolerate it.

 

Things I've subsequently been told by people I trust has only gone to reinforce that view.

 

It's so annoying as I really want AP to be our manager.

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agree.

 

Think he is plenty good enough for us.

 

If he is failing miserably (which I doubt) then of course he will be (and need to be) replaced, if he is on target, or there abouts we need to stick with him

 

This must be the first time you and me have ever agreed on anything - a red letter day if ever I saw one .

 

Unfortunately something tells me it may well be the last time as well .

 

But let's enjoy the moment anyway .

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Up until the weekend I would have agreed but now I really don't think he will be.

 

During the 2nd half on Saturday I said to another poster that another couple of performances like that and AP will be gone as NC won't tolerate it.

 

Things I've subsequently been told by people I trust has only gone to reinforce that view.

 

It's so annoying as I really want AP to be our manager.

 

+1. MK Dons has become a must win, not for the club - but for Pardew. Cortese has his finger on the trigger.

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This must be the first time you and me have ever agreed on anything - a red letter day if ever I saw one .

 

Unfortunately something tells me it may well be the last time as well .

 

But let's enjoy the moment anyway .

 

We both know you usually agree with me but are just too stubborn to admit it!

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I think clubs should have to keep their managers for the whole season. That would soon flush out any differences between CEOs and managers.

 

What a bright idea; lets force two people who either cannot see eye-to-eye or openly hate each other to work together until the club involved is utterly destroyed. :rolleyes:

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agree.

 

Think he is plenty good enough for us.

 

If he is failing miserably (which I doubt) then of course he will be (and need to be) replaced, if he is on target, or there abouts we need to stick with him

 

reckon we should stick with Pardew.

So which is it? Stick with Pardew regardless, or support calls for him to go if there are a string of bad results? can't have it both ways.

 

No one would seriously expect the manager to be sacked for one defeat, but it has naturally raises the question of 'what if there are more defeats?' as well as putting more focus on the failure to sign the striker support / central MF / wide MF that many fans have been expecting all close season.

 

Beat Bournemouth and win against MK Dons on Saturday and things will look very different, but lose both games, and then what? The higher the expectations, the greater the pressure, and expectations could hardly be any higher.

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I'm usually a status quo sort of bloke.

 

I was even a defender of Burley to the last FFS!

 

I'd like to see Pardew given the season to get us promoted. And I think that he will/would.

 

However, it does seem the vibes are not great in terms of board/manager relations.

 

I think the pressure is really on after the defeat against Plymouth. It's not just that we lost that bothered me, it's that we were poor, particularly in the second half. I thought there was a lack of belief and fitness about the team. Sure, it's unfortunate that Lambert and Lallana were unfit to start, but even so...

 

I doubt that Pardew has even 10 games to prove himself. If we were (God help us) to lose our next three league games, I doubt that Cortese will say "let's see if he can win the next six on the spin".

 

There are three ways this can pan out, I think:

 

1. Give Pardew until Xmas. If we're not in the top 2 or 3, get rid. Bring in a new manager who can make some changes in the transfer window and hopefully secure promotion.

2. Give him until October, if we're not doing well and moving in the right direction, then replace him.

3. Make a decision to remove him in the next ten days or so - if, say, we fail to beat MK Dons.

 

I very much hope we go for option 1. And I hope we're clear at the top of the League by then and AP leads us to the league title by March.

 

But, if only given a choice between options 2 and 3, I'd probably go for option 3.

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this is pure farce. AP will be here at christmas

 

do you think he will be here in may?

 

I don't believe that NC doesn't think that AP will achieve promotion this year,if he did i think he would have sacked him (regardless of popular opinion) in June...But if a better man for the job becomes available....

 

Looks like it's Martin O'Neill then... :lol:

 

...in my dreams, I know, but so far NC has hired the best man for the job (& i can dream)

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No really ? Never would have guessed.

 

You are always all for the status quo. I doubt you are even interested in getting promoted.

 

why wouldn't I want the club I support and pay to watch win?

 

I am not after status quo but the best for the club not having fun picking holes in everything. I think Pardew is as good as manager as we are likely to get, he has done well so far so should stay.

 

Suppose you want him replaced with Dodd like last time you called for a manager to go?

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So which is it? Stick with Pardew regardless, or support calls for him to go if there are a string of bad results? can't have it both ways.

 

No one would seriously expect the manager to be sacked for one defeat, but it has naturally raises the question of 'what if there are more defeats?' as well as putting more focus on the failure to sign the striker support / central MF / wide MF that many fans have been expecting all close season.

 

Beat Bournemouth and win against MK Dons on Saturday and things will look very different, but lose both games, and then what? The higher the expectations, the greater the pressure, and expectations could hardly be any higher.

 

Stick with him - but clearly if we lose the next 20 games no-one would think he should still be here! Quite easy to have both, circumstances change.

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why wouldn't I want the club I support and pay to watch win?

 

I am not after status quo but the best for the club not having fun picking holes in everything. I think Pardew is as good as manager as we are likely to get, he has done well so far so should stay.

Suppose you want him replaced with Dodd like last time you called for a manager to go?

 

So do I but after what I've learnt over the last couple of days, from sources I trust, I'm not sure he has a future at SFC.

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