Saints 0-1 Plymouth - Reaction

[alpine_saint]

A dig? It was a comment and a valid one at that. Tell me, do you think that Antonio and Tyson would be here if money was no object Alps?

 

I dont know if money is the only obstacle to them.

 

I thought you were against blithely throwing money at the problem ?

[sadoldgit]

if money was no object i think we would be after better than tyson & antonio so i would say comment maybe valid but also pretty pointless. Also, no evidence to suggest that NC holding back, A lot of posters seem to think that AP is holding back to see what prem players maybe available. All very confusing - who would want to be a fooball fan !!

 

Indeed! We shall see over the next few weeks I guess.

[alpine_saint]

I don't believe that we can buy promotion, but I believe that we can buy the type of players that give us a better chance

 

Sorry, to me you've managed to contradict yorself in one sentence.

[alpine_saint]

if money was no object i think we would be after better than tyson & antonio so i would say comment maybe valid but also pretty pointless. Also, no evidence to suggest that NC holding back, A lot of posters seem to think that AP is holding back to see what prem players maybe available. All very confusing - who would want to be a fooball fan !!

 

AP is waiting for Messi and Iniesta to get bored an call begging for a contract

[sadoldgit]

I dont know if money is the only obstacle to them.

 

I thought you were against blithely throwing money at the problem ?

 

I am not suggesting that we do "throw" money at the problem. But lets face it, when other clubs know (or think they know) that you have money to spend the prices go up - look at the stupid money City are paying for players). If Cortese is serious about promotion this year I think he will find that many others clubs will want more the players he is after than they are worth. He has to decide how much promotion is worth and weight it up against what he wants to spend on it. That is a gamble because. as I have tried to explain to Mr Fry, you can't put a price on promotion. So it is all down to trusting your manager and giving him the tools he asks for. And if you don't trust your manager, why wait to Christmas to get rid of him? Promotion could be a long lost dream by then if Pardew is not capable or if Cortese is holding back because he doesn't trust him 100%..

[sadoldgit]

Sorry, to me you've managed to contradict yorself in one sentence.

 

That is your problem Alpine. You read what you think someone has written rather than what they have. Read it again and pretend you are someone else. If you still struggle let me know and I shall explain it to you slowly.

 

(the clue is in the words "better chance")

[NickG]

If it is the case that NC is witholding "proper" money to see how things pan out with Pardew then I find that very worrying. You either back your manager or you don't. Given that we have tried to sign Tyson and bring Antonio back it sounds like NC is looking to bring players in but at a price. All very laudable and following in Lowe's footsteps, but it won't help us get promotion.

 

you shouldn't base too much on paper talk - we have also tried to sign all sorts of player!

[Legod Third Coming]

I had a grand on us going the season unbeaten :-(

 

Then you have more money than sense. I've had £50 on Brighton to go up at 10/1 because it was the only value bet on offer. People who lumped on us for promotion at odds on need their fecking heads examined. I still hope and expect they will be right, but there was no value in that bet at all...

 

When you consider that you could have taken the same money and backed Canford Cliffs to win the Sussex Stakes and seen a bigger return (even money in a place in the morning), and you would have had the enitre winnings in a little over 60 seconds...

 

If you want your money back KP, then back Byword for the Juddmonte International. After that, you're on your own!!

[Legod Third Coming]

I am not suggesting that we do "throw" money at the problem. But lets face it, when other clubs know (or think they know) that you have money to spend the prices go up - look at the stupid money City are paying for players). If Cortese is serious about promotion this year I think he will find that many others clubs will want more the players he is after than they are worth. He has to decide how much promotion is worth and weight it up against what he wants to spend on it. That is a gamble because. as I have tried to explain to Mr Fry, you can't put a price on promotion. So it is all down to trusting your manager and giving him the tools he asks for. And if you don't trust your manager, why wait to Christmas to get rid of him? Promotion could be a long lost dream by then if Pardew is not capable or if Cortese is holding back because he doesn't trust him 100%..

 

This is precisely how I feel. Why was Claridge talking about how close Pardew came to losing his job? Why do people think/know this?

 

It says that Cortese doesn't have faith in Pardew.

 

And on this basis, we have zero hope of promotion while he is in charge (Cortese or Pardew).

[sadoldgit]

This is precisely how I feel. Why was Claridge talking about how close Pardew came to losing his job? Why do people think/know this?

 

It says that Cortese doesn't have faith in Pardew.

 

And on this basis, we have zero hope of promotion while he is in charge (Cortese or Pardew).

 

I think you are right. I think that Cortese was backed into a corner over keeping Pardew and probably resents it. Not an ideal situation for starting such a crucial season. I hope I am wrong but you need to manager and CEO working in harmony and I don't think that these two ever will.

[sadoldgit]

you shouldn't base too much on paper talk - we have also tried to sign all sorts of player!

 

Trouble is Nick, we can only make a judgement on what we hear. I am sure all kinds of things are happening behind the scenes.

[NickG]

I am.

 

We have done very well in transfer market under NC and AP so far, very well.

 

Most transfer activity is towards the end of the window.

 

The loan window will also be a good opportunity for us - young prem players etc.

[alpine_saint]

That is your problem Alpine. You read what you think someone has written rather than what they have. Read it again and pretend you are someone else. If you still struggle let me know and I shall explain it to you slowly.

 

(the clue is in the words "better chance")

 

No, still a contradiction.

 

And its a pity you decided to start getting abusive again with your last post. I thought we were trying to talk civily to each other. Clearly that is your problem.

[Saint_clark]

This is precisely how I feel. Why was Claridge talking about how close Pardew came to losing his job? Why do people think/know this?

 

It says that Cortese doesn't have faith in Pardew.

 

And on this basis, we have zero hope of promotion while he is in charge (Cortese or Pardew).

 

Why in that case did he hire him?

[alpine_saint]

Why in that case did he hire him?

 

Because he did some research and thought he would be the man for the job.

 

Clearly the parting of the ways was during last season when AP made it clear he was going after cup runs despite NC making it clear that he expected him to go for the playoffs as a minimum.

 

I would fire anyone who blatantly ignored the targets I set him too.

[Saint_clark]

Because he did some research and thought he would be the man for the job.

 

Clearly the parting of the ways was during last season when AP made it clear he was going after cup runs when NC made it clear he expected him to go for the playoffs as a minimum.

 

I would fire anyone who blatantly ignored the targets I set him too.

 

If Cortese has someone better (and proven) lined up then I will not object. However, if he sacks Pardew and then replaces him with some random bloke from the continent I will be very worried.

The biggest thing for me is how much the players are behind Pardew. If he is sacked we could well see a few key players getting unsettled all of a sudden.

[NickG]

got feeling Pardew wanted play offs

[sadoldgit]

I got the feeling Pardew wanted both but could see that the club had been starved of success and as a part of trying to get the "winning mentality" back was keen on cup success. Shouldn't evey manager try and win every competition his team is in? I don't recall ever hearing Pardew say that the league was secondary.

[Foxstone]

Very disappointed with the result after a decent first half.

 

Positives were Puncheon who looked sharp, Fonte who looks imperious and Lallana who added so much energy and creativity to the game when he came on - That lad needs to be wrapped in cotton wool as he is vital to us.

 

Negatives was that we had no cutting edge in the absence of Ricky, Davis who's distribution is shocking ( why on eart does he take the bloody free kicks when he could'nt hit a dart board from 2 feet !!!), and that we had no idea how to break down an organised but frankly pizz poor Plymouth side in the second half.

 

One further disappointment was us the fans - Have we forgotten how to sing?????

We went one behind and were out shouted and outsung by a load of Janners for the entire second half.

 

Still it was only game 1 and I guess Norwich lost their first match last season 7-1 at home so things are no way bad.. Yet!

[Crazy Diamond]

Butterfield got in Fontes way for the build up to the goal, had he not been there then Fonte would have beaten Fallon in the air easily as he had been all game long.

 

That'll be it then. I don't know if that can be put down to the fact there was poor communication amongst the ranks due to a new signing or whatever, but there can be no doubt that it was our slip that led to them scoring. I'm certain they only wanted a point from that game, they really did have no ambition. Even when we were bombarding them with ten minutes to go, they never took their chances to pick us off on the counter attack - evident in the fact that on 70 minutes they basically didn't even have a forward player on the pitch. As frustrating as that is, that'll be the way most teams play against us. But if I can figure that out, Pardew and the 11 men on the pitch must sure as hell expect it...

[Iowsaintsfan]

Very disappointed with the result after a decent first half.

 

Positives were Puncheon who looked sharp, Fonte who looks imperious and Lallana who added so much energy and creativity to the game when he came on - That lad needs to be wrapped in cotton wool as he is vital to us.

 

Negatives was that we had no cutting edge in the absence of Ricky, Davis who's distribution is shocking ( why on eart does he take the bloody free kicks when he could'nt hit a dart board from 2 feet !!!), and that we had no idea how to break down an organised but frankly pizz poor Plymouth side in the second half.

 

One further disappointment was us the fans - Have we forgotten how to sing?????

We went one behind and were out shouted and outsung by a load of Janners for the entire second half.

 

Still it was only game 1 and I guess Norwich lost their first match last season 7-1 at home so things are no way bad.. Yet!

 

 

Agree with all that

[Red]

I think you are right. I think that Cortese was backed into a corner over keeping Pardew and probably resents it. Not an ideal situation for starting such a crucial season. I hope I am wrong but you need to manager and CEO working in harmony and I don't think that these two ever will.

 

 

I have a theory on this – read somewhere when AP was first appointed that he was not the first choice, but as we could not get the first choice AP was the second. Now imagine that the first choice decided he was again in the market (around 2 to 3 months before the end of last season, when he started thinking about returning to the game), and we were doing ok but not great, so NC sounds out the original first choice and gets some encouragement? So some serious thinking about ditching AP, but not totally sure, and also Mr. first choice is not a ****, so only agrees if AP is not shafted (wants to leave, gets DOF etc. etc.). NC / AP cannot find a solution, so Mr. first choice goes to Bristol City – QED

 

AP keeps his job and is the 2nd best candidate, so problem solved, until end of this season if he fails to get us promotion. Very difficult to keep all this quite, and in my view that is where the AP sacking leaks came from. Fits the scenario, but only NC knows if it’s true!

[RonManager]

I have a theory on this – read somewhere when AP was first appointed that he was not the first choice, but as we could not get the first choice AP was the second. Now imagine that the first choice decided he was again in the market (around 2 to 3 months before the end of last season, when he started thinking about returning to the game), and we were doing ok but not great, so NC sounds out the original first choice and gets some encouragement? So some serious thinking about ditching AP, but not totally sure, and also Mr. first choice is not a ****, so only agrees if AP is not shafted (wants to leave, gets DOF etc. etc.). NC / AP cannot find a solution, so Mr. first choice goes to Bristol City – QED

 

AP keeps his job and is the 2nd best candidate, so problem solved, until end of this season if he fails to get us promotion. Very difficult to keep all this quite, and in my view that is where the AP sacking leaks came from. Fits the scenario, but only NC knows if it’s true!

 

You had me after 'I have a theory..'

[Red]

You had me after 'I have a theory..'

 

well I can't prove it so am not going to BS (unlike some):-) It's only food for thought, and a positive outlook on the AP/NC debacle!

[up and away]

Originally Posted by Legod Third Coming

This is precisely how I feel. Why was Claridge talking about how close Pardew came to losing his job? Why do people think/know this?

 

It says that Cortese doesn't have faith in Pardew.

 

And on this basis, we have zero hope of promotion while he is in charge (Cortese or Pardew).

I think you are right. I think that Cortese was backed into a corner over keeping Pardew and probably resents it. Not an ideal situation for starting such a crucial season. I hope I am wrong but you need to manager and CEO working in harmony and I don't think that these two ever will.

 

What a load of tosh. We know exactly what happened between Pardew and Cortese, you only have to go back to the Solent interview. Pardew made the stupid statement that he had prioritised the cups, Cortese rebutted that in no uncertain terms that the league was the top, top priority. Adding that he never went out in the January window to become the 4th biggest spenders in all leagues for success in the paint pot. In any other industry, I cannot see Pardew keeping his job for taking such a direction.

 

Cortese was not backed into any corner, he looked at the good and bad that Pardew had served up and decided the best practical way forward was for Pardew to build upon some of the excellent play he had developed. Failure for not getting promotion last season has cost us £M's, something not accepted lightly, another season cannot be afforded. Once Cortese decided to go with whoever for this season, money was available to complete the job, it's a no brainer in the grand scheme of things. Another season will cost us more than those potential transfers and Cortese will be fully aware of that.

 

I thought at the end of last season that Pardew should be given the chance this season and the opening game has not changed that view. We have to wait for Pardew to get the team on a run and then see where we are. That does not mean Christmas because if he has not sorted things out in 10 games, that is more than enough. If it's just down to bad luck, who wants an unlucky manager?

 

From what I have seen so far I am really unsure about how things will turn out, but Pardew has to be given a lot more games to get on the sort of run we know he can do. The basic problem of the midfield has still not been addressed after all this time and the team cannot think /evolve themselves out of difficult situations, just going through the same motions. One very important aspect I feel we have missed is over transfers, we only need players good enough to get out of this league, not do well in the CCC. Time will tell on that one and Pardew may well turn out to be a genius for holding out for the far better players. As for working in harmony, that's what happens when both parties do their own jobs properly.

[CB Fry]

I don't believe that we can buy promotion, but I believe that we can buy the type of players that give us a better chance

 

 

Total contradictory garbage. Have cake and eat it too.

 

I have never said that money doesn't make a difference, I have said that money doesn't guarantee sucess. If you want to have a go get your facts right.

 

Get your facts right sunshine.

 

All we ever hear is your pompous "money doesn't guarantee success" routine. We know you say it. Christ, do we know. Over and over and over again.

 

But the important thing is no one ever says money guarantees success. No one ever says it. It's just you lecturing the rest of us. You decide that the rest of us think something and then lecture us in your patronising way that the rest of us are wrong.

 

Without digging up too much old ground, your beloved Mr Burley was able to in your words above buy the type of players that give us a better chance.

 

He threw money at it and failed. Again, in your words, back then they had to decide how much promotion is worth and weight it up against what he wants to spend on it.

 

Clubs spend money on players, and then expect a return on that investment. Precisely what I have said for years and years and years and years, and any time I bring that subject up you come back with your "money doesn't guarantee success" routine.

 

So, sorry, don't try and lecture me now sunshine. I've been saying what you are now cobbling together for eons. I've been saying it for eons.

 

Welcome aboard, what took you so long. Nice to know I was right all along. Apology accepted.

Edited 8 August, 2010 by CB Fry

[Wes Tender]

A belated report, as I wanted to marshall my thoughts first.

 

The first half display from us was pretty good and it seemed that a goal would surely come from our superior possession and neat passing play. Puncheon had a really good game in the first half and was allowed acres of space which he exploited well. Lambert would surely have got a brace at least from chances provided by Puncheon. Those who said that he was not a league player or had been crap since his first few games here must have been watching some other match.

 

The new boys were also largely solid, especially Dickson. The defence seemed good apart from Harding and Jaidi making the error that allowed Plymouth's goal. Fonte had a great game and got up the pitch and proved a threat to their defence. A couple of dodgey kicks from Kelvin, but otherwise he had nothing to do the entire game apart from their goal. Their keeper was the busier and made a good save from Lallana? in the second half.

 

IMO, there were a couple of points that could have changed things had Pardew observed them and got the players to take note. A lot of the passing was sideways, where a diagonal forward ball would have put Plymouth on the back foot. What's the point in passing across the pitch allowing time to cover it? We need a playmaker in the centre, somebody able to pick out the pass capable of putting pressure on a defence. Perhaps we needed a player out wide to make the run to invite the pass. Could Oxlade-Chamberlain have provided the pace out wide if brought on late to run at a tired defence?

 

The other thing I noticed yet again, as I had most of last season, was the bunching of players into one half of the pitch top to bottom. Why can't we have at least one wide player to stretch the packed midfield and allow some passing where there is less congestion? A packed midfield plays into the hands of the less skilled team, the team of cloggers. Twice in the early part of the second half, Reid seemed to have realised that the players were all bunched into one half and he did have a player out wide. Twice they found that wide player in acres of space and he attacked the byeline where Harding was caught out as a result and had to scramble back. Is Reid better tactically than Pardew? Why has he not figured this out yet?

 

Once they got the goal from their one and only shot on target, inevitably they packed their defence to hold onto their lead and we didn't have the guile to break them down. Lambert might well have scored at least once from the two or three free kicks in promising positions. An impact sub like Antonio or Weigo or indeed O-C might wll have made a difference. Lallana did make a bright cameo appearance and had he been fit and on from the start, he might have got the goal in the first half that could have had them opened up to have to go for the point.

 

I reflect on us not having won the first game since we beat Coventry, who beat the Skates yesterday. Furthermore, I console myself that we sit with a goal difference of -1, whereas Norwich who went up as Champions had a goal difference in their first game last season of -6, IIRC.

[derry]

We had a decent first half, thirty minutes of below par, slumped shoulders, this shouldn't be happening to us crap. Lallana came on and we gave it a go for the last 15 minutes. Two things come to mind, up to now in all the pre season matches hardly any player played more than 45 minutes, for most of them it was the first time they played a full game. It was a predictable start. We haven't won a starting game in twenty years FFS, but we always have the same sort of non competitive part matches against mediocre opposition. It's about time we tried something different, maybe setting up a 3/4 day 2/3 match tournament against decent opposition at SMS ending 7 days before the start of the season.

 

Two little guys up front and the crosses all in the air. A lot of square balls and slow build up. Puncheon tended to drift into the centre of the pitch, leaving nobody wide right until Wally Downes reamed him a new one late in the second half. Allowed Plymouth to pile bodies in the box and block the final desperate shot. Nobody outside the back post at left side corners, Puncheon on the near post. So when the ball overshoots we have nobody picking it up. All this is elementary and the fans favourite manager isn't doing much about it.

 

It should also be remembered that Lallana hasn't played in pre season and that his troublesome knee remains undiagnosed and is being given the chance to either break down properly or go away, so he could yet be out for a spell.

Edited 8 August, 2010 by derry

[austsaint]

I just wish we had a right footed right winger to get to the by-line and cross. Having said that there wasn't much to aim at today.

 

We used to. His name was Papa!!!

[Saint_clark]

We used to. His name was Papa!!!

 

Or Antonio...

[yorkie]

Watched it on SKY and I must say I thought we did alright apart from that soft goal.

OK - looking at the stats we had seven attempts on target to their one - plenty of corners (shame we can't capitalise on them!)

When is Kelvin going to kick the ball to one of our players? I seem to remember him kicking it straight out on two occassions from free kicks!

Hoof ball is a nightmare - I thought we looked better when passing it through the midfield. A lot of possession - but little to show for it!

Who says we are not a one man team? I really think we are short on several counts. Midfielders who can't head the ball, midfielders who can't shoot & midfielders who can't put in a telling pass to our current forwards. Forwards who can't hit the target - other than that we did alright I suppose.

To add insult to misery I had too much to drink and upset the usual weekend harmony - thanks lads!

[Saint Fan CaM]

Well I thought we looked OK, but for a sloppy period just after half-time - our improved defence switched off totally. Kelvin's distribution was awful and we played too much hoofball when we had two smallish strikers to aim at. Hammand and Schniederlin were not attacking central midfield areas enough. Overall the team didn't close down Plymouth quickly enough. Dickson is too slow to be a winger IMO, but he did an OK job.

 

In terms of subs, I would have brought Lallana and Holmes on with 20 minutes to go and taken Harding and Connolly off. Put Dickson to LB, Holmes at LW and Lallana in the hole behind Barnie (because Lallana had the pace and skill to drill through the defensive wall). In terms of tactics, we always seem to try to pass sideways to the wings and then try to pass through the eye of a needle down the wing or hoof it forward. We never seem to move down the field as a unit, which is why we rely so heavily on Lambert to be strong enough to hold the ball up.

 

Looking forward to see how AP shakes things up this coming week.

[OldNick]

my 3pence worth.

We got some really good crosses in but did not have any aerial power to take advantage. A back up for Lamberts air power should be a priority.

Their number 3 was too strong for us.

A team with no pace will always struggle.

We still have not come to terms that to win this type of league you need a great big bully/lump at centre forward for others to feed off.

Jaidi is finished

Morgan IMO is not as good as some believe

Plymouth were poor and scored with their only real attempt, and that was due to comic defending.

We will get better, but we had nothing on the bench (apart from AL) to change things unlike last season with Antonio, Papa.

Lallana looked good and bright when he came on

It is on ly the first game and so be patient, but AP is already under pressure and the fact he has not/allowed spent money is telling as NC's position on him.

[Barry the Badger]

When is Kelvin going to kick the ball to one of our players? I seem to remember him kicking it straight out on two occassions from free kicks!

 

It wasn't great, but in his defence he was trying to play quick goal kicks out to players on the wings, in order to set up a counter attack. I would rather he tried this and occasionally got it wrong, than not try it at all.

[Whitey Grandad]

It wasn't great, but in his defence he was trying to play quick goal kicks out to players on the wings, in order to set up a counter attack. I would rather he tried this and occasionally got it wrong, than not try it at all.

 

One of his kicks into touch was from a free- kick. He really ought to be able to kick a dead ball accurately by now. All it does is hand possession straight back to the opposition.

[Saint_Jonny]

Just watched the highlights from an internet cafe on a greek island. You lot are over reacting, they had one meaningful effort on target, we battered them and were unlucky, get this one out of the way, put it behind us and move on.

[captainchris]

Very disappointed with the result after a decent first half.

 

Positives were Puncheon who looked sharp, Fonte who looks imperious and Lallana who added so much energy and creativity to the game when he came on - That lad needs to be wrapped in cotton wool as he is vital to us.

 

Negatives was that we had no cutting edge in the absence of Ricky, Davis who's distribution is shocking ( why on eart does he take the bloody free kicks when he could'nt hit a dart board from 2 feet !!!), and that we had no idea how to break down an organised but frankly pizz poor Plymouth side in the second half.

 

One further disappointment was us the fans - Have we forgotten how to sing?????

We went one behind and were out shouted and outsung by a load of Janners for the entire second half.

 

Still it was only game 1 and I guess Norwich lost their first match last season 7-1 at home so things are no way bad.. Yet!

 

And Nowich changed their manager to gain promotion ............

[Nexstar]

And Nowich changed their manager to gain promotion ............

 

Norwich lost 7-1, get a grip FFS.

[Viking Warrior]

I watched the game in Mcgintys Bar - Union Street Aberdeen First half was really good and I wasnt suprised at Arglye second half tactics. In the first half the cameras kept focussing on Peter reid making copious notes and bellowing instructions or looking genuinely annoyed at his players. His half time chat clearly had the desired effect. I thought this might end 0-0 as argyle were not really looking to win the game> The boys played well but they do need to be more creative when teams prevent us from playing.

careful and patience build up needs to be installed in players heads. I felt they were rushing and panicking into trying to get the equaliser when a bit more composure should have been the order of the second half after they scored against the run of play.

 

The Amstel beer was pretty good mind

[suewhistle]

Well, I'm not going to read the whole thread... Anyway, I thought Connolly and Barnard had decent movement if never quite in dangerous enough areas, and the whole side seemed shot shy. Jaidi I think won't last the season: he'll be replaced as what I saw on Saturday confirmed my worries from the Thun friendly.

If we'd got a touch to one of those crosses in the first half we'd have gone on to score more goals, I reckon. We may not have raw pace but Puncheon isn't slow and on another day would have better luck, although it would be nice to have an Antonio or Papa to bring on. We'll definitely see OxC at some stage but against a brute Plymouth defence on the first day was maybe not the right time. I was surprised to see Lallana - he's probably not 100% fit but we did miss him.

 

I may take on a little bit of personal responsibility for this loss (alongside Sky!) as I have only seen 1 win in the last 4 years I've been abroad taking in early season and Christmas games: the last was Boxing Day against Exeter...

[georgeweahscousin]

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[sambosa75]

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Not a bad write up but commenting on how uncomfortable Dickson looked but not commenting on the woeful, totally inept performance of Jason Puncheon? I thought Dickson looked decent. Seems capable of crossing with his left and right foot and seems pretty comfortable in possession. Puncheon on the other hand had an absolute shocker in my opinion.

[ManorHouseSaint]

I thought Puncheon wasn't great, but I thought Harding was by far the worst player on the pitch, and for once Pardew did well with his substitution. He was dragged out of position on numerous occasions. Although, this wasn't helped by Fonte having probably his worst game in a Saints shirt. Mills to start left back tomorrow night please!

[Legod Third Coming]

Total contradictory garbage. Have cake and eat it too.

 

 

 

Get your facts right sunshine.

 

All we ever hear is your pompous "money doesn't guarantee success" routine. We know you say it. Christ, do we know. Over and over and over again.

 

But the important thing is no one ever says money guarantees success. No one ever says it. It's just you lecturing the rest of us. You decide that the rest of us think something and then lecture us in your patronising way that the rest of us are wrong.

 

Without digging up too much old ground, your beloved Mr Burley was able to in your words above buy the type of players that give us a better chance.

 

He threw money at it and failed. Again, in your words, back then they had to decide how much promotion is worth and weight it up against what he wants to spend on it.

 

Clubs spend money on players, and then expect a return on that investment. Precisely what I have said for years and years and years and years, and any time I bring that subject up you come back with your "money doesn't guarantee success" routine.

 

So, sorry, don't try and lecture me now sunshine. I've been saying what you are now cobbling together for eons. I've been saying it for eons.

 

Welcome aboard, what took you so long. Nice to know I was right all along. Apology accepted.

 

I don't want to go over old ground old friend - we've done this argument to death over the years. And nor do I wish to impinge on a personal argument ... However, I do take issue with anyone who says that money doesn't guarantee success. It does. It might take a while but undoubtedly money does buy success. Of all the most successful clubs anywhere in the world, it's a fact that they have the most money, pay the highest salaries and employ the best players.

 

It's why I keep banging the drum. It's all very well for Nicola to want Premeirship football, the question remains whether his is prepared to pay what it takes, either now or in due course...

[Wes Tender]

Not a bad write up but commenting on how uncomfortable Dickson looked but not commenting on the woeful, totally inept performance of Jason Puncheon? I thought Dickson looked decent. Seems capable of crossing with his left and right foot and seems pretty comfortable in possession. Puncheon on the other hand had an absolute shocker in my opinion.

 

Puncheon had one of the best games I've seen from him. Just goes to show how two people can have diametrically opposed views.

[eelpie]

I don't want to go over old ground old friend - we've done this argument to death over the years. And nor do I wish to impinge on a personal argument ... However, I do take issue with anyone who says that money doesn't guarantee success. It does. It might take a while but undoubtedly money does buy success. Of all the most successful clubs anywhere in the world, it's a fact that they have the most money, pay the highest salaries and employ the best players.

 

It's why I keep banging the drum. It's all very well for Nicola to want Premeirship football, the question remains whether his is prepared to pay what it takes, either now or in due course...[/quote

Of course money can buy better players at any level, but it was not monetary matters that defeated us. Plymouth came out at half time after a roasting from Peter Reid who knows how to melt hairdryers. They were clearly instructed to use their superior brute physical force against a tackle-shy timid Saints. They are more likely to be promoted if they play like that for 90 minutes a game in this division, while Saints are destined to be the bridesmaid unless they fined a tougher streak to complement skill. On the touchline Reid was animated passion, not AP, who was like that this time last year when our team were pants. Why not on Saturday?

OK, so money can buy tough, talented geezers. Would that have help us? Possibly. But we had the players on Saturday until they relaxed on 45 minutes. Peter Reid won the match in the half time dressing room. Pardew, take note.

[Give it to Ron]

Puncheon had one of the best games I've seen from him. Just goes to show how two people can have diametrically opposed views.

 

Its funny how people see different things watching the same game, I have read many things on here how poor Jaidi was but for me he never lost a header and dominated our area from set pieces and open play.

Ok his distribution is very poor but I just want him to defend.

Mind you after watching Davenport, Jacobbsen, Lancashire, Powell and even 50p head Thomas I am easily pleased.

[Legod Third Coming]

I don't want to go over old ground old friend - we've done this argument to death over the years. And nor do I wish to impinge on a personal argument ... However, I do take issue with anyone who says that money doesn't guarantee success. It does. It might take a while but undoubtedly money does buy success. Of all the most successful clubs anywhere in the world, it's a fact that they have the most money, pay the highest salaries and employ the best players.

 

It's why I keep banging the drum. It's all very well for Nicola to want Premeirship football, the question remains whether his is prepared to pay what it takes, either now or in due course...[/quote

Of course money can buy better players at any level, but it was not monetary matters that defeated us. Plymouth came out at half time after a roasting from Peter Reid who knows how to melt hairdryers. They were clearly instructed to use their superior brute physical force against a tackle-shy timid Saints. They are more likely to be promoted if they play like that for 90 minutes a game in this division, while Saints are destined to be the bridesmaid unless they fined a tougher streak to complement skill. On the touchline Reid was animated passion, not AP, who was like that this time last year when our team were pants. Why not on Saturday?

OK, so money can buy tough, talented geezers. Would that have help us? Possibly. But we had the players on Saturday until they relaxed on 45 minutes. Peter Reid won the match in the half time dressing room. Pardew, take note.

 

Money will not win you every game, but over time it will deliver success. It's proven. Saturday I might be tempted to put down as one of those things... even Chelsea got stuffed at Wigan.

[sadoldgit]

Total contradictory garbage. Have cake and eat it too.

 

 

 

Get your facts right sunshine.

 

All we ever hear is your pompous "money doesn't guarantee success" routine. We know you say it. Christ, do we know. Over and over and over again.

 

But the important thing is no one ever says money guarantees success. No one ever says it. It's just you lecturing the rest of us. You decide that the rest of us think something and then lecture us in your patronising way that the rest of us are wrong.

 

Without digging up too much old ground, your beloved Mr Burley was able to in your words above buy the type of players that give us a better chance.

 

He threw money at it and failed. Again, in your words, back then they had to decide how much promotion is worth and weight it up against what he wants to spend on it.

 

Clubs spend money on players, and then expect a return on that investment. Precisely what I have said for years and years and years and years, and any time I bring that subject up you come back with your "money doesn't guarantee success" routine.

 

So, sorry, don't try and lecture me now sunshine. I've been saying what you are now cobbling together for eons. I've been saying it for eons.

 

Welcome aboard, what took you so long. Nice to know I was right all along. Apology accepted.

 

You are a very odd person Mr Fry. Please do us both a favour and put my posts on ignore.

 

And for the record, how much do you think it will cost us to buy our way out of the 3rd Division? And while you are at it you can let me know how many Champion Leagues have Chelsea won? What return did Ipswich get for their £8m last year? I am sure there are plenty of other clubs who spent a lot of cash over the last few season with little to show for it, but frankly, I can't be ar*ed.

[NickG]

Its funny how people see different things watching the same game, I have read many things on here how poor Jaidi was but for me he never lost a header and dominated our area from set pieces and open play.

Ok his distribution is very poor but I just want him to defend.

Mind you after watching Davenport, Jacobbsen, Lancashire, Powell and even 50p head Thomas I am easily pleased.

 

Was thinking the same about different opinions, Puncheon was operating right infront of where I sit in the first half (he move not me for 2nd). Thought he had great first touch and beat his man with ease, played some really cutting through balls that forwards didn't quite make.

 

Maybe he was not so good 2nd half when he was bit far for my eyesight!

 

Jaidi had a game of two halves - (although had little to do in first half) 2nd lost a lot of headers.