Plymouth rag annoyed at SFC - non-SFC photographers refused entry to SMS

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

The Sun taking the moral high ground. Irony Overload.

 

I would rather that pathetic rag had nothing to do with my club anyway, anyone who reads it could do with a life re-evaluation anyway.

 

Well I read the Sun, the Independent and the Racing Post and they are all affected. I am increasingly worried at the dictatorial nature of the way the club is being run. ML is undoubtedly our saviour I hope he knows what he is doing with Nicola.

[miserableoldgit]

Sorry old chap, it doesn't readily spring to mind where you said this.

 

There is so much bull**** spouted on his forum of late that to go through each and every post is something I simply can't be bothered to do even had I the time to waste.

 

But as today I'm at a bit of a loose end can I ask you to post up a link to it perhaps, because it would seem to have been a post that I would have greatly enjoyed reading?

I quite agree. As much as I have enjoyed this forum and its predecessors over the years, I have become heartily sick of the "Wise Men", pathetically waiting for their "I told you so" moment, who have dominated it this summer.

 

(I think you mean "grammar" by the way.)

[Minty]

It's a shame the last few pages have deteriorated, because there is a worthy discussion to be had here, by those who want to discuss it (and not just fire off pointless comments about how it's unimportant... if you think it's unimportant, then find another thread to comment on).

 

Thanks to Florida Marlin for putting some meat on the bones of my earlier post.

 

As I said before, I'm no fan of the press, however it's the wider issue that is the problem for me and many others here.

 

A mechanism already exists to licence the taking and use of football images, through Football DataCo. The system works. It allows bona fide media outlets and photographers/agencies access to do their job and ensures that monies for that are distributed fairly amongst all clubs.

 

Now, Saints' reason for taking this action can realistically only be for one of two reasons: to control access or to control the revenue. Possibly both.

 

With Football DataCo in place, if Saints are doing this to control access, they are simply depriving fans of the game at large from seeing a wider variety of pictures of Saints games, and creating a problem that didn't exist before. At a time when money in football is under the spotlight, and the sport is under pressure to become more accessible to the grass root fans who have to pay through the nose to watch games and be a part of something that wouldn't exist without them, it would be, IMO, an incredibly selfish and blinkered thing to do.

 

If the reasons are commercial, which seems more likely to me, then on the face of it, it might seem like a reasonable thing to do, if you are trying to maximise revenue for the club and make the club more sustainable. However, as we're already witnessing, the media can create a problem for us, and hence our sponsors, by limiting the exposure we have. It creates a bad feeling that might not be such an issue in League 1, but will be difficult to shift as we climb up the leagues, and revenue may well be affected in an adverse way as a result.

 

*If* it works, and we actually make money from it, again, on the face of it, most would probably say that is a good thing, but when a perfectly good system is already in place, through Football DataCo, which also ensures fair and equitable distribution of monies for licencing of football images, then I am genuinely concerned that the bad feeling and negative consequences could outweigh any small increase in revenue it might bring in. I don't know exactly how the distribution works amongst other clubs, but if it upsets the system then I can see other clubs criticising Saints for it, as well as the media.

 

Either way, it also gives the impression that SFC is only concerned with itself and will do whatever it takes, to the detriment of others if need be, to get ahead. Again, clearly some of you have no issue with that, but I do. IMO, this kind of selfishness can only be bad for us in the long run. I prefer to treat others as I expect to be treated myself, and if other clubs start to act in the same way as we are, then football as a whole will become completely unsustainable and/or inaccessible to 90% of fans, because of the money required to be involved.

 

We all want Saints to do well, but if the rest of football and fans suffer as a result, then that would be a very hollow victory.

 

I want to be proud of my club, which means them achieving success in a sustainable way and on a level playing field. Unfortunately that will never truly happen because money is already here to stay, but this kind of thing just makes it worse.

Edited 9 August, 2010 by Minty

[Quickfire Double]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3086603/Opposition-0-Plymouth-1.html

[Gingeletiss]

You do post some drivvel you tiresome troll.

 

My my, and that coming from you.

 

I used to enjoy your posts, but of late, you have got more extreme in your condemnation of our club, to the extent, that I now wonder which south coast club you actually support!

[wireframebox]

Sorry if already posted, but this made me chuckle...

 

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Argyle-don-t-settle-draw/article-2503642-detail/article.html

[boxosponge]

 

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Argyle-don-t-settle-draw/article-2503642-detail/article.html

 

Brilliant, much better than photos.

Can we have this from every game? A weekly cartoon sheet would be awsome

[OldNick]

It's a shame the last few pages have deteriorated, because there is a worthy discussion to be had here, by those who want to discuss it (and not just fire off pointless comments about how it's unimportant... if you think it's unimportant, then find another thread to comment on).

 

Thanks to Florida Marlin for putting some meat on the bones of my earlier post.

 

As I said before, I'm no fan of the press, however it's the wider issue that is the problem for me and many others here.

 

A mechanism already exists to licence the taking and use of football images, through Football DataCo. The system works. It allows bona fide media outlets and photographers/agencies access to do their job and ensures that monies for that are distributed fairly amongst all clubs.

 

Now, Saints' reason for taking this action can realistically only be for one of two reasons: to control access or to control the revenue. Possibly both.

 

With Football DataCo in place, if Saints are doing this to control access, they are simply depriving fans of the game at large from seeing a wider variety of pictures of Saints games, and creating a problem that didn't exist before. At a time when money in football is under the spotlight, and the sport is under pressure to become more accessible to the grass root fans who have to pay through the nose to watch games and be a part of something that wouldn't exist without them, it would be, IMO, an incredibly selfish and blinkered thing to do.

 

If the reasons are commercial, which seems more likely to me, then on the face of it, it might seem like a reasonable thing to do, if you are trying to maximise revenue for the club and make the club more sustainable. However, as we're already witnessing, the media can create a problem for us, and hence our sponsors, by limiting the exposure we have. It creates a bad feeling that might not be such an issue in League 1, but will be difficult to shift as we climb up the leagues, and revenue may well be affected in an adverse way as a result.

 

*If* it works, and we actually make money from it, again, on the face of it, most would probably say that is a good thing, but when a perfectly good system is already in place, through Football DataCo, which also ensures fair and equitable distribution of monies for licencing of football images, then I am genuinely concerned that the bad feeling and negative consequences could outweigh any small increase in revenue it might bring in. I don't know exactly how the distribution works amongst other clubs, but if it upsets the system then I can see other clubs criticising Saints for it, as well as the media.

 

Either way, it also gives the impression that SFC is only concerned with itself and will do whatever it takes, to the detriment of others if need be, to get ahead. Again, clearly some of you have no issue with that, but I do. IMO, this kind of selfishness can only be bad for us in the long run. I prefer to treat others as I expect to be treated myself, and if other clubs start to act in the same way as we are, then football as a whole will become completely unsustainable and/or inaccessible to 90% of fans, because of the money required to be involved.

 

We all want Saints to do well, but if the rest of football and fans suffer as a result, then that would be a very hollow victory.

 

I want to be proud of my club, which means them achieving success in a sustainable way and on a level playing field. Unfortunately that will never truly happen because money is already here to stay, but this kind of thing just makes it worse.

 

A very good post.

I do think the press are being quite hypocritical as they sell on the pictures to their readers.

My concern is more that the camera man will miss vital incidents. Is it also a way of stopping the press getting pictures of fans showing their disapproval of any officer/member of the club at anytime in the future?

[Doctoroncall]

Brilliant, much better than photos.

Can we have this from every game? A weekly cartoon sheet would be awsome

 

You'll love this, by a Terriers fan. It would be great if someone witty could do the same.

[sfc4prem]

Plymouth Argyle FC took pictures at the game after being told they were allowed to on the premise that they used them

for their site only.

 

Said pictures have now "leaked" to the Sun and The Herald.

 

Trying to undermine our club... The cheek of it. Sickening. I hope Cortese teaches them not to break our rules.

[John B]

If you've got direct links with the staff at the Plymouth Herald/all local newspapers around the country then fair enough, but if not then this is just conjecture. They might but the images. I don't know, and I don't think you know either.

 

Not that I'm too bothered either way. As long as we win the League I don't care if Cortese ****es off every single football club and local media outlet around the country.

 

Well I do Cortese is the unacceptable face of money ruling in football

[OldNick]

Plymouth Argyle FC took pictures at the game after being told they were allowed to on the premise that they used them

for their site only.

 

Said pictures have now "leaked" to the Sun and The Herald.

 

Trying to undermine our club... The cheek of it. Sickening. I hope Cortese teaches them not to break our rules.

There you go, this will now backfire on any other club who asks for this.

NC will now be able to say 'No sorry we can't let you have your own as we were let down by Plymouth, it's their fault'

[dune]

A very good post.

I do think the press are being quite hypocritical as they sell on the pictures to their readers.

My concern is more that the camera man will miss vital incidents. Is it also a way of stopping the press getting pictures of fans showing their disapproval of any officer/member of the club at anytime in the future?

 

Not sure about that Nick because surely TV cameras would pick it up, or is SFC going to be run like a cold war communist state where there is a total media ban at the first whiff of dissent? NC might draft in his own stormtroopers to patrol the concourses....

 

Edited 9 August, 2010 by dune

[NickG]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2116531,00.html

[jam]

There you go, this will now backfire on any other club who asks for this.

NC will now be able to say 'No sorry we can't let you have your own as we were let down by Plymouth, it's their fault'

 

Which will in turn backfire on us when every other club kicks up a stink about not being able use their own photographer at games that they are playing in and the subsequent reporting in the national media.

[boxosponge]

You'll love this, by a Terriers fan. It would be great if someone witty could do the same.

 

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes

[NickG]

Do you have any evidence of that?

 

how long do infractions for refusing to tell you my source at the echo last?

 

absolute power and all that!