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May I take the opportunity to remind everyone of this classic thread.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24212-Daily-Echo-still-banned

 

had seen that one!

 

There are a few people on here, such a Stu, who like making things up to criticise our club and try and get rid of the feel good feeling and optimism.

 

It was the club who held out the olive branch on this - last season.

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Funny isn't it, if this was Lowe no one would question the validity of the thread, but because it is Cortese he gets backing. I don't know whether it is true or not, but given his track record it sounds about right. I also know from someone who works there that Cortese is not well liked at SFC and tends to rub people up the wrong way. It will be interesting to see if this is true.

 

It's not his job to be well liked.

 

The reason we all (mostly) hated Lowe is because he was not likeable AND he was **** at his job!

 

Ok, so Cortese is not going to be our best friend, but as long as he does a good job and moves the club forwards, I couldn't give a damn.

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Funny isn't it, if this was Lowe no one would question the validity of the thread, but because it is Cortese he gets backing. I don't know whether it is true or not, but given his track record it sounds about right. I also know from someone who works there that Cortese is not well liked at SFC and tends to rub people up the wrong way. It will be interesting to see if this is true.

 

 

how does this "sound about right" and what "track record"?

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As it is, several of these posts expressing doubts as to the veracity of these allegations give quite good reasons as to why doubt is sensible. For example, there was the meeting of the FL Chairmen only in June and it seems strange that there should be another meeting that nobody can find details of so soon after.

I would imagine that there are many more regular FL Chairmen meetings than get publicised, but the discussion points at the majority are probably so mundane that it's not worth reporting on them. It's certainly not beyond the realms of possibility that they hold a meeting every month.

 

I'm trying to verify the rumour via a few contacts now.

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Cortese criticses way FL is run. Well good for him, its a shambles as we all know, even if Mawhinney has now gone. About time some of the people that run it were shown up to be the idiots that they are. Good to know that we have a Chairman who can see them for the bunch of idiots that they are.

 

That said don't believe the rumour for one minute, total ******, if only it were actually true.

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Well I dont believe it.

 

I also think SFC on the non-playing side has been a cosy closed shop for far too long, so anyone who comes in and sticks a toe up what is an overly-large derriere in order to deliver better customer service is fine by me.

 

However, there is still room for improvement - whoever allowed the home kit to go out-of-stock with at least 6 weeks (now over 9 weeks) of delivery time for new supplies should be shot.

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You reckon ?

 

Pompey were allowed to sell players when the rules said they werent.

That was the Premier League, who are more concerned with their "brand" image than actually sticking to their own rules. They waited for their relegation to be all but confirmed before allowing them to sell players outside the transfer window, although they ended up failing to do so (or even look like they were trying) anyway.

 

and have made one signing already this season

I wouldn't read too much into Sonko playing on Saturday, the player registration rules for testimonial games are significantly different to the rules for the league.

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Remember, this is the same football league that docked us 10 points

 

..and that is the crux of the argument I think.

Why are people so concerned about this ? Surely the most important thing is the fact that because of Marcus Liebherr, we still have a football club and a good manager, a team that would have been in the play-offs -were it not for THAT -10 ..and money in the bank that many Prem.sides could only dream about.

 

Cortese may well be right, and if his attempt to move even part of this mountain succeeds in any way - then good luck to him.

The FA is a prime example of an organisation set in stone who live by the motto ..we've never done it that way before.

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And rightly so.

 

They'll also be getting their teeth into that lot down the road in the not-too-distant future.

 

Yeah, we (the club) f**ked up, you can understand the points deduction.

 

Im not suggestiung this rumour is true for one second, but IF it were true, you can understand NC feelings towards the FL. If he's found a stick to beat them with, then fair play.

 

Hopefully the skates will be treated like 1/3 of dogs at Battersea.

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Blimey! Two Alpine posts I couldn't agree more with! Keep it up!!

 

Could the kit problem be Umbros fault? They make it after all.

 

I reckon SFC completely underestimated the popularity. Which is stupid, considering the last one off this club expeirenced, the JPT final, had 50,000 Saints fans present when only about 20000 turn up weekly.

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I suspect Patred is being economical with the truth on what he has heard

 

My concern is we seem to have a number of posters that have come here of late saying they know someone trustworthy at the club.

Sounds like we have more leeks at the club than an industrial strength collander. If this is the case expect a number of people at the club to be immenently sacked

Why do we have a number of posters on here constantly trying to destabilise the club.

 

Me I think this is a non story full of bull ****

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Even if true I think this is quality. Nicola Cortese is the Liam Gallagher of football chairmen!!! To be honest I think it is awful how football league chairman are happy to bend over and be firmly rogered by the clubs in the Premier League and Cortese has previously gone on record to voice his frustration on this subject so it's nothing new even if this really is true.

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All the other chairman of the football league are meeting pre season.

Our chairman is the only absentee.

He sent a letter, refusing to meet with them, and criticizing their running of the FootballLeague.

 

The Football League were so upset at his comments they sent copies to all the other 71 clubs he criticized.

 

HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE.. Mr Cortese:facepalm:

 

So in reality .... We have discovered.

 

1. There was no league meeting.

2. 72 Chairmen not 1 failed to turn up because there was no meeting.

3. The FL sent no letter.

4. NC sent a letter to all 71 other clubs.

 

So in total we have 1 truth. A letter was sent to all the clubs..

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Im not suggestiung this rumour is true for one second, but IF it were true, you can understand NC feelings towards the FL. If he's found a stick to beat them with, then fair play.

To an extent, although I think it's quite a dangerous game to be playing, picking a fight with what is essentially the governing body as these sort of things have the habit of coming back to bite further down the line.

 

I guess the whole situation stems from the new parachute and solidarity payment vote, where it seems he was unhappy with the pressure being applied by the FL board to accept the proposal (although nobody's posted the full letter there either, so clearly that must be untrue as well, eh, MLG? :roll:), and in terms of the medium to long-term plan of getting back into the Premier League, the acceptance of that proposal does in theory make it harder for any club not already in receipt of Premier League revenues to break through. It probably means a bit more investment might be needed from Markus, which may not have been part of the original plan.

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So in reality .... We have discovered.

 

1. There was no league meeting.

2. 72 Chairmen not 1 failed to turn up because there was no meeting.

3. The FL sent no letter.

4. NC sent a letter to all 71 other clubs.

 

So in total we have 1 truth. A leeter was sent to all the clubs..

Where have we established that 1, 2 and 3 are true? :?

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I rang 6 other clubs and they said, "Who are you and why are you calling so early...."

 

I don't know your background but forgive me if I doubt that you have 'contacts' at four other clubs. Therefore I doubt if they'd give this information over the phone to someone they've never met.

 

I'm confident he does judging by previous posts and the specialist football area he's involved with.

 

That said, his post does strike me as bull.

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Watch Skysports today and the managers view of teams in league 1 and the players to watch. Every one of them call Southampton as the one to watch, players such as lambert and Lallana are the key players. lambert is only here because of Ml and Cortese, the reason Lallana hasn't moved on and is becoming a better and better player (12 from midfield last season), is because we don't need to sell him.

 

We are the most talked about club in this league for all the RIGHT reasons. Not one mention of NC, some mentions of ML, but it is all about the team and the football. We have a chance to see the best season since WGS, and some people around here have had their noses put out of joint.

 

I am a Saints supporter and I am proud to be so. I suggest all of those that are struggling with out new found optimism should watch the experts rather than talking to their cut adrift friends of the club and start to wake up and smell the roses! We are a force this season, this is because of ML and NC, nobody else, they did this, they made it posssible to have the likes of AP, Rickie, keeping morgan, Lallana and Kelvin in goal.

 

When Saturday comes along, if you can be bothered to go, listen for the cheers for the team, and the non-barracking of the Chairman.

 

Grow up, get a life and support the Saints (FFS)

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Patred |I recall is friends with Webster the ex goal keeping coach at SMS and so has contacts in the game.

I see quite a few fans who seem to have an agenda against the new chairman. I do admit that the staff are less comfortable to talk about what is going on, but that may be more professional.

Some of the old guard seem to have an axe to grind, no more perks, tickets etc being given out to anyone.

I doubt the FL would be dishing out a letter against our club, to all the others.

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What I find hilarious are those fans who form this instant dislike for anyone in authority at the club if they 'dont get down with fans, and hsare a beer or two with them' like Wilde or Crouch did... sure well liked, nice blokes and all that but without the resources or experience to unite the club and move it forward no matter how good their intentions. Lowe never stood an chance the moment we started flirting with relegation, because he had ****ed off two many with his 'arogance' - at which point as with all these things its nice and easy to forget, the improvements we had made...

 

This is about the problem a small minority have with ANYONE who decides to run 'THEIR' club in any way other than the matey, pally 'down with the common man', community stuff of yesteryear and that from me a socialist!

 

I can tell these posters a mile away, they are the same that slam into the authority figures if ther is a small story about them not seeingeye to eye with some ex player or so called legend - always assuming that those who worked for the club ON the pitch must be always right and those that worked OFF the pitch must always be wrong - its childish hero worship, becasue they can see value in scoring goals, but dont understand the need for effective financial stewardship ... and probably think the world owes them a living... they need to get out more.

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OK, I have tried to find any press release of FL Chairman meeting, anything in the press, anything. Maybe its my googling skills, so can you help m,e Patred and provide any evidence that such a meeting happened?

There is probably nothing public about when the regular FL chairmen meetings take place because the FL, by its very nature, is a private members' club.

 

They publicise the annual conference thing because there's either a major issue to be dealt with or they want to be able to put out some sort of press release that keeps the Football League in peoples minds. If it's anything like the annual conferences I've been to with companies I've worked for, they're nothing more than death by PowerPoint and a bit of mutual back-slapping for a job well done over the previous twelve months. The real work is done in the meetings that aren't publicised.

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Watch Skysports today and the managers view of teams in league 1 and the players to watch. Every one of them call Southampton as the one to watch, players such as lambert and Lallana are the key players. lambert is only here because of Ml and Cortese, the reason Lallana hasn't moved on and is becoming a better and better player (12 from midfield last season), is because we don't need to sell him.

 

We are the most talked about club in this league for all the RIGHT reasons. Not one mention of NC, some mentions of ML, but it is all about the team and the football. We have a chance to see the best season since WGS, and some people around here have had their noses put out of joint.

 

I am a Saints supporter and I am proud to be so. I suggest all of those that are struggling with out new found optimism should watch the experts rather than talking to their cut adrift friends of the club and start to wake up and smell the roses! We are a force this season, this is because of ML and NC, nobody else, they did this, they made it posssible to have the likes of AP, Rickie, keeping morgan, Lallana and Kelvin in goal.

 

When Saturday comes along, if you can be bothered to go, listen for the cheers for the team, and the non-barracking of the Chairman.

 

Grow up, get a life and support the Saints (FFS)

Good post. I am fed up with the agendas and band-wagons that are currently blighting this forum. I can only hope that when the football actually starts, they will disappear.

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Where have we established that 1, 2 and 3 are true? :?

 

Sorry I' m not any good at links, but post 19 is linked to an Echo article dated 15 July 2010. This is only 2 weeks ago. (if you believe the echo, and i know that is a biog if). Itn is logical to reason that this is the inciidence that is being alluded to. People on here better than I ( and that is probably everyone) can find no trace of any meeting being held or is going to be held in the immediate future. Remember we all knew of the Malta meeting long before it happened.

Therefore if no meeting has or is going to take place no Chairman was absent. If no meeting was or has taken place, a letter excusing absence was not required. It is logical therefore to assume ( and I know assumption is the mother of all c@ckups) that we come back to the recent letter of the 15 July which was circulated to all other clubs.

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Funny, even though there is no evidence that this ever took place or the ridiculous notion that staff are 'frightened' (I do suspect Patred might be Patblue on a wind up), I would actually have even more respect for NC if this WAS true... the FL should be ASHAMED in bending over and taking it up the backside for the the Preierleague cash - further erroding the integrity of the league as a fair and level competition... but as we know Chairman are more concerned with a bit of extra cash than in ambition to get promoted - except our ML and NC who see it as their major challenge... so Darn right, if he has not yet written criticising te rst of them, let me be the first to tell him he better get on with it!

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Funny' date=' even though there is no evidence that this ever took place or the ridiculous notion that staff are 'frightened' (I do suspect Patred might be Patblue on a wind up), I would actually have even more respect for NC if this WAS true... the FL should be ASHAMED in bending over and taking it up the backside for the the Preierleague cash - further erroding the integrity of the league as a fair and level competition... but as we know Chairman are more concerned with a bit of extra cash than in ambition to get promoted - except our ML and NC who see it as their major challenge... so Darn right, if he has not yet written criticising te rst of them, let me be the first to tell him he better get on with it![/quote']

 

I would expect that barry hearn would be an Allie, as he is never short of a snipe

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Sorry I' m not any good at links, but post 19 is linked to an Echo article dated 15 July 2010. This is only 2 weeks ago. (if you believe the echo, and i know that is a biog if). Itn is logical to reason that this is the inciidence that is being alluded to. People on here better than I ( and that is probably everyone) can find no trace of any meeting being held or is going to be held in the immediate future. Remember we all knew of the Malta meeting long before it happened.

Therefore if no meeting has or is going to take place no Chairman was absent. If no meeting was or has taken place, a letter excusing absence was not required. It is logical therefore to assume ( and I know assumption is the mother of all c@ckups) that we come back to the recent letter of the 15 July which was circulated to all other clubs.

So now all of a sudden the Echo are reporting things in real-time?

 

The parachute payment proposal was accepted on 10th May (BBC report), so Cortese's letter refers either to the vote taken on that day, or the original meeting on the matter (as reported here at the end of April). As a result, it seems as if the Echo got hold of a copy of that letter some time after it was sent.

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Watch Skysports today and the managers view of teams in league 1 and the players to watch. Every one of them call Southampton as the one to watch, players such as lambert and Lallana are the key players. lambert is only here because of Ml and Cortese, the reason Lallana hasn't moved on and is becoming a better and better player (12 from midfield last season), is because we don't need to sell him.

 

We are the most talked about club in this league for all the RIGHT reasons. Not one mention of NC, some mentions of ML, but it is all about the team and the football. We have a chance to see the best season since WGS, and some people around here have had their noses put out of joint.

 

I am a Saints supporter and I am proud to be so. I suggest all of those that are struggling with out new found optimism should watch the experts rather than talking to their cut adrift friends of the club and start to wake up and smell the roses! We are a force this season, this is because of ML and NC, nobody else, they did this, they made it posssible to have the likes of AP, Rickie, keeping morgan, Lallana and Kelvin in goal.

 

When Saturday comes along, if you can be bothered to go, listen for the cheers for the team, and the non-barracking of the Chairman.

 

Grow up, get a life and support the Saints (FFS)

 

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There were no anti-Lowe protests when we were playing Arsenal at Cardiff, only when we were cr@p.

 

On the old Saints List Lowe was a hate figure from the time of the reverse takeover Nick. He was taking flak before the Final and after, not just when we were "crap."

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There were no anti-Lowe protests when we were playing Arsenal at Cardiff, only when we were cr@p.

 

On the old Saints List Lowe was a hate figure from the time of the reverse takeover Nick. He was taking flak before the Final and after, not just when we were "crap."

 

1996 - Before Lowe became Chairman

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxVME_uSZzk

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So far no one has produced anything to show there is any truth in this thread. There seems to be a constatnt run of unsettling threads that have shown no truth. Threads like these can do damage to the subjects reputation and perhaps it is time the club were made aware so they could consider legal action. This thread is liabellous and I would love the club to take action against the pr*cks that start this rubbish.

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Meh,

 

NC seems like the kind of guy that wont be happy unless everything is running like clockwork.

 

If you work at the club and your not doing a good enough job then it seems you should be frightend for your job may soon become someone elses.

 

NC's job so far has got us to be League 1 favs. I dont think there are many of us that think we will defo go up because of that and maybe NC wants to push everyone at the club to make sure they are doing everything they can to make sure we do achieve it. No good sitting back lapping up the plaudits for saving the club while letting everyone plod along in the same direction as before. Crack the whip and get on with it IMO is a good move.

 

Having a spat with the league will only do us wrong if we try and step outside of the FL rules. As its then that they will come down hard to make a point on any jumped up chairmen. As long we we play by the book and concentrate on our job the FL can whistle. If he has a point then it wont take long for other charimen to follow suit and the FL will have to look at things more seriously. If he hasnt got a point then the FL will be glad when we either come a cropper or get promoted back to the Prem.

 

Until then I think we would be better off enjoying the football, or at least trying to, and support the team. Only worth reacting to the actual news we hear rather than the constant stream of rumours.

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track record of recruiting excellent manager and team, increasing attendances, winning a cup and becoming hot favourites for a league title, and getting rid of instalment plan.

 

So he won the cup did he? I thought that was more down to Pardew, the "excellent manager" who he seems to find so hard to praise in public? Lets not forget about the childish spat with the Echo - and getting rid of the installment plan!

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There were no anti-Lowe protests when we were playing Arsenal at Cardiff, only when we were cr@p.

 

That's not quite right though is it?

 

Very early, after the reverse takeover, there was a lot of investigation into the whole reverse takeover and the likes of Mssrs. Lowe, Askham etc had their motives brought into question. That was where the core dislike of Lowe came from.

 

On the other hand, Lowe did act with dignity after, above his bullish attitude, he realised we could not move forward legally and he took us into administration.

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On the old Saints List Lowe was a hate figure from the time of the reverse takeover Nick. He was taking flak before the Final and after, not just when we were "crap."

 

 

He has never been liked but there wasnt many protests when the club was doing well. The point is, if he gets things right then people will accept it. If he gets things wrong and is not a likable chap then the crowds will turn very quickly.

 

His job is to get things right so thats what he will try to do. His job is not to be mates with everyone and to enjoy a beer in the pub with.

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If this were true it would be in the public domain by now.

71 chairmen's egos being snubbed by NC and nothing appears in the media?

Dream on...... this would be the biggest news this summer and at least one of the other chairmen would have been onto the Daily Mail or some other rag.

Reality check needed.

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Lets hope that LOWE FC get relegated go into admin, anything, as long as it fooks off along with that cherry faced thief that leads them.

The sooner they do, the sooner we may get our club back, and try repair the damage done to it.

 

Got what he wanted then I see :D

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Thing is though guys, if cortese did provide help and then they refused to help him back hes right to be a bit peed off. Secondly there treatment of us has been shoddy, such as the way they tried to bully the pinnacle group, and its not right that we should roll over and die.

 

Alpine for once was spot on, saints used to be all cushy with free tickets here, stupid gimmicks there etc now its being run properly like a business and as much as i love my football club at the end of the day it is a business, and noone else here has stumped up the money like ML and NC so untill they do shut it! Also ML hasnt made all his millions by appointing CEO that ruin business and annoy staff etc, otherwise he wouldnt be as rich as he is. If he thought cortese was doing a bad job i doubt hed care about telling him to go stick it, similarly nor would cortese have been courted by that italian club

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