Daily Echo still banned

[Big Bad Bob]

Last season during the Echo ban, the club were only giving access to photographers who agreed to sign an agreement stating they wouldn't sell their photos to the Echo. This was stated by the Press Association in a circular to all news outlets in the buildup to the Pompey game - I think the circular was copied on here at some point, they refused to sign the agreement, so there were no PA photographers at that game.

 

Thanks Steve, so it seems that the Echo still has a ban on photos but not their reporters (we can agree on THAT much I think).

 

All in response to the Echo printing the new Staplewood plans to gain a sainsationlist scoop (and before you bang on about The Solent Stu they didn't print detailed plans did they? They only mentioned that there were palns afoot for Staplewood, which as you (rightly) say we all knew about).

 

So, could it be a case that the Echo would be better served by apologising to NC (if they haven't already) over breaking a gentlemen's agreement?

[merrimd]

I think it is pretty damn obvious to anyone who doesn't have a blinded love for certain people at the club that The Echo have been banned again this season, I don't think there is any doubt about that.

 

The debate I guess is whether you think the club are justified in banning the Echo again, or whether you think it is a petty and childish act by the club.

 

No, the debate is whether the Echo is actually banned, as per the OP. Seeing as they were there, and did a report, I would suggest they are not banned.

[Big Bad Bob]

I think it is pretty damn obvious to anyone who doesn't have a blinded love for certain people at the club that The Echo have been banned again this season, I don't think there is any doubt about that..

 

Well there is certainly doubt in my mind.

 

From reading the online report it is quite clear that their Senior Sports Reporter was at the match!

 

In my mind the question remains over whether they are allowed to print Saints photos.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Thanks Steve, so it seems that the Echo still has a ban on photos but not their reporters (we can agree on THAT much I think).

 

All in response to the Echo printing the new Staplewood plans to gain a sainsationlist scoop (and before you bang on about The Solent Stu they didn't print detailed plans did they? They only mentioned that there were palns afoot for Staplewood, which as you (rightly) say we all knew about).

 

So, could it be a case that the Echo would be better served by apologising to NC (if they haven't already) over breaking a gentlemen's agreement?

 

There is nothing to suggest the Echo reporters have not been banned as well, he could have been sat in the stand with the normals, he could have got a freelance journalist to do a report for him or could have used another one of Newsquests publications to get him in.

 

And no, the training ground upgrades to be honest were hardly ground-breaking news, and not news that warrant more than a 30 second conversation in pub about. It really doesn't warrant the petty and childish actions that have happened since.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

No, the debate is whether the Echo is actually banned, as per the OP. Seeing as they were there, and did a report, I would suggest they are not banned.

 

Where they there? Or did they report as if they were there ( of which they would do, otherwise people wouldn't bother reading the reports, they are hardly going to say " from reports we took from various other reports on the internet " , of course they are going to report as if they were there, even if they weren't.

[Big Bad Bob]

And no, the training ground upgrades to be honest were hardly ground-breaking news, and not news that warrant more than a 30 second conversation in pub about. It really doesn't warrant the petty and childish actions that have happened since.

 

Myabe not to you BUT the club arranged a Press Conference to release news of the Staplewood plans with all the lovely diagrams and blueprints and stuff.

 

And they asked the Echo NOT to print the intricate details until AFTER the press conference! The Echo went ahead anyway and printed them the day before in an attempt to be Billy Big ******!

 

The ban may be abit OTT but it is a harsh lesson learnt for the Echo methinks.

[merrimd]

Where they there? Or did they report as if they were there ( of which they would do, otherwise people wouldn't bother reading the reports, they are hardly going to say " from reports we took from various other reports on the internet " , of course they are going to report as if they were there, even if they weren't.

 

So you don't actually KNOW that they are banned then?

[stevegrant]

Thanks Steve, so it seems that the Echo still has a ban on photos but not their reporters (we can agree on THAT much I think).

Almost certainly a ban on photos, not sure on reporters, haven't spoken to anyone since Saturday who would know either way. IIRC their match reports from the two games in Switzerland were as if they were there when they weren't, so I wouldn't like to jump to conclusions there without checking it out first. They got photos from the Thun game from a freelancer they employed (the club couldn't do anything about it as it was an away game), but that freelancer was refused entry to the Sochaux game (Saints hired the venue, so they had full control).

[Big Bad Bob]

Almost certainly a ban on photos, not sure on reporters, haven't spoken to anyone since Saturday who would know either way. IIRC their match reports from the two games in Switzerland were as if they were there when they weren't, so I wouldn't like to jump to conclusions there without checking it out first. They got photos from the Thun game from a freelancer they employed (the club couldn't do anything about it as it was an away game), but that freelancer was refused entry to the Sochaux game (Saints hired the venue, so they had full control).

 

I've emailed Gordon Simpson to ask him directly, not holding my breath waiting for a response TBH

[1576]

empathise with others.

 

[Thedelldays]

What is fukkin wrong with our fans. Never happy and need to know the in's and outs of everything

 

Seems to be those who write articles. Run websites or used to have a friendly ear at the club are those leading this charge

 

No doubt I will get my daily abuse from the usual suspects no doubt the MODS will let it go as per normal

[South City Si]

As far as I am aware, from last time talking to my mates at the Echo, they were banned again for this season, even though NC allowed them in for the second half of last season.

I don't think they were given a reason for this time, or a further reason beyond the 'don't tell them' Staplewood thing for last time. Also, the Echo went ahead and published the plans as it was already in the National media, BBC & Sky Sports websites, so if they hadn't they would have looked even more foolish it they didn't report the news that would have otherwise been 2 days later than the nationals if they did wait for the press conference.

[Saint_clark]

What is fukkin wrong with our fans. Never happy and need to know the in's and outs of everything

 

Seems to be those who write articles. Run websites or used to have a friendly ear at the club are those leading this charge

 

No doubt I will get my daily abuse from the usual suspects no doubt the MODS will let it go as per normal

 

I completely agree with you. I know someone who used to get a lot of info from someone at the club, that "insider" has since said he can no longer tell him anything and my mate has just made his mind up that Cortese is the devil.

[Wes Tender]

I think it is pretty damn obvious to anyone who doesn't have a blinded love for certain people at the club that The Echo have been banned again this season, I don't think there is any doubt about that.

 

The debate I guess is whether you think the club are justified in banning the Echo again, or whether you think it is a petty and childish act by the club.

 

Has the ban been imposed again, or is it is the same ban as before which has not been lifted?

 

And why apart from the ego boost that I suspect you derive from being the originator of threads was it necessary to rake over all the same ground that has been debated before when the original ban was introduced? What has changed? Why could the original thread have been reopened and added to, if anybody felt inclined to add anything to it?

[aintforever]

If the Echo has been banned it's just ****ing retarded.

 

Not only does it show that the club doesn't give a toss about fans who rely on the Echo, it also achieves nothing but cut off a source of free promotion and just makes the paper more likely to print speculation and negative stories.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

As far as I am aware, from last time talking to my mates at the Echo, they were banned again for this season, even though NC allowed them in for the second half of last season.

I don't think they were given a reason for this time, or a further reason beyond the 'don't tell them' Staplewood thing for last time. Also, the Echo went ahead and published the plans as it was already in the National media, BBC & Sky Sports websites, so if they hadn't they would have looked even more foolish it they didn't report the news that would have otherwise been 2 days later than the nationals if they did wait for the press conference.

 

And lets not forget, it was a pretty mundane news story at best, the majority of Saints fans probably don't give a toss about the first team getting new dressing rooms. If it was a massive signing or something then fair enough, but it wasn't, it was about the training ground getting a refurb!

[Big Bad Bob]

And lets not forget, it was a pretty mundane news story at best, the majority of Saints fans probably don't give a toss about the first team getting new dressing rooms. If it was a massive signing or something then fair enough, but it wasn't, it was about the training ground getting a refurb!

 

But a minority might have cared enough though! Doesn't this go against your current 'defender of the downtrodden minority' incarnation??

[Dave Benson Phillips]

But a minority might have cared enough though! Doesn't this go against your current 'defender of the downtrodden minority' incarnation??

 

Ahem, I am in the minority by thinking Cortese is a complete and utter ****face. It doesn't stop the majority shouting me down for being in the minority. There is a growing minority that are very worried about how Cortese views SFC, yet they are told to sit down and shut up.

 

You can't have it both ways.

[Big Bad Bob]

You can't have it both ways.

 

No you can't can you

 

And I think most people are shouting you down because you go on and on and on and on about it like a stuck record. Very similar to the way Alpine is treated because of his ways of questioning things.

 

You ask NC to 'wind his neck in a bit', maybe you should eat your own dogfood??

[Saint_clark]

Ahem, I am in the minority by thinking Cortese is a complete and utter ****face. It doesn't stop the majority shouting me down for being in the minority. There is a growing minority that are very worried about how Cortese views SFC, yet they are told to sit down and shut up.

 

You can't have it both ways.

 

No, you can't Stu.

So you can't say "this is disgraceful, there are a minority of people who rely on the Echo to get their Saints news" and then say, "the majority don't give a toss about a news article about the training ground, why are the club so bothered".

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Ahem, I am in the minority by thinking Cortese is a complete and utter ****face. It doesn't stop the majority shouting me down for being in the minority. There is a growing minority that are very worried about how Cortese views SFC, yet they are told to sit down and shut up.

 

Yet you don't. Children should be seen and not heard. Very apt here I think.

 

In other news, surely it would be prudent to actually find out if the Echo are still banned before posting it up here. I have a feeling that Mr Cortese could have a rather litigious side, and I'm sure the way you libel him would be of great interest, especially considering you use SW, the largest Southampton Forum, to do it.

Edited 2 August, 2010 by Dibden Purlieu Saint

[Wes Tender]

No you can't can you

 

And I think most people are shouting you down because you go on and on and on and on about it like a stuck record. Very similar to the way Alpine is treated because of his ways of questioning things.

 

You ask NC to 'wind his neck in a bit', maybe you should eat your own dogfood??

 

He seems to have totally avoided answering my post 116 asking him why he doesn't choose to resurect the original thread that dealt with the original banning of the Echo, where all of this ground has already been well trodden. Perhaps it is personal ego and he likes to open threads under his own name...

 

Response please, Stu?

[Michelle]

The ban was lifted at the back end of last season.

 

I'll soon find out for definite whether it's back on again, as my parents are matchday Echo sellers. When the ban was on last time, they were refused permission to sell on the premises, and refused entry into the ground on season tickets provided by The Echo!

[Dave Benson Phillips]

He seems to have totally avoided answering my post 116 asking him why he doesn't choose to resurect the original thread that dealt with the original banning of the Echo, where all of this ground has already been well trodden. Perhaps it is personal ego and he likes to open threads under his own name...

 

Response please, Stu?

 

You, as many others, seem to have more of an issue with me, rather than the subject in hand. Shall we stay on-topic.

 

Funnily enough, this 'ego' doesn't want to talk about me, more the Echo being banned from St Marys this season.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

You, as many others, seem to have more of an issue with me, rather than the subject in hand. Shall we stay on-topic.

 

Funnily enough, this 'ego' doesn't want to talk about me, more the Echo being banned from St Marys this season.

 

But the issue in hand was dealt with in the other thread. The Echo need to give Cortese an apology (which I agree with). Then he will let them back in.

 

Thread discussed.

[Gingeletiss]

I would suggest the Echo are being very fair and acting in a professional and adult manner. The Echo 'could' print a whole host of negative stories if they wanted to... they are aware of the same things which have been posted on here by various people.

 

I suspect that if the ban is not lifted by the first game of the season then the gloves will come off and The Echo will not feel obliged to protect Cortese and SFC.

 

Laughable, care to explain Stu?

[Gingeletiss]

Can you point to some 'hijacked' threads? I haven't noticed any.

 

Most that you have subscribed to, I'll be bound!

[Big Bad Bob]

But the issue in hand was dealt with in the other thread. The Echo need to give Cortese an apology (which I agree with). Then he will let them back in.

 

Thread discussed.

 

Maybe, then, the mods would care to merge this thread with t'other?

[John B]

But the issue in hand was dealt with in the other thread. The Echo need to give Cortese an apology (which I agree with). Then he will let them back in.

 

Thread discussed.

 

Apology for what exactly

 

As I have never been told why they have been or were banned I would like to know

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Laughable, care to explain Stu?

 

I agree, don't know exactly what he's alluding to. I don't see how the Echo is protecting Cortese. It's as if he thinks the Echo has the investigative journalists from the NOTW working for them. The Echo has made it's mistake, it is being punished. Unfortunately, that's the way life is Stu. Ask the 'Southampton 12'.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

But the issue in hand was dealt with in the other thread. The Echo need to give Cortese an apology (which I agree with). Then he will let them back in.

 

Thread discussed.

 

lol

 

You are quick to knock and rubbish rumours/sources etc of other peoples. What evidence do you have that the Echo have not sent an apology to Cortese/SFC ?

 

None? Oh...

[Gingeletiss]

I don't want NC out by all accounts.

 

He has let the 'fame' of being a football club chairman go to his head, and he needs to wind his neck in. If he can't wind his neck in then yes, I won't lose any sleep if he f*cks off... especially as I don't subscribe to the thought that Liebherr will p1ss money down the drain and f*ck off too if Cortese goes.

 

I'm sure he sits at his laptop, and thinks the same of you. What a brass neck you have Stu, to post this, when you have one of the biggest post counts on here, mainly full of anti Saints posts.

[St Marco]

Another fine example of the quality of this forum....

 

"The echo have been banned"

 

"How do you know that?"

 

"because of the pictures in the paper were not from pre-season games"

 

...............

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Apology for what exactly

 

As I have never been told why they have been or were banned I would like to know

 

The redevelopment of Staplewood. The Echo got hold of the plans from the Council Website and told SFC they were going to run the story before SFC had announced it. Cortese asked them to wait 24 hours so they could announce it, and also offered extended interviews, plans etc in recompense. The Echo ran it, Cortese was angry, so banned them, pending a full page apology (this is just a rumour by the way, they may have been banned indefinitely until the resignation of the Skate Editor in charge). Fair enough in my books.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Laughable, care to explain Stu?

 

As in, there is plenty of 'bad' PR the Echo could print about life down at St Marys, certainly they seem to have started questioning decisions, such as a very random highlighted red box in which they bullet point about the Ted Bates Trophy in todays issue and questioning why there hasn't been one and no communication.

[Wes Tender]

You, as many others, seem to have more of an issue with me, rather than the subject in hand. Shall we stay on-topic.

 

Funnily enough, this 'ego' doesn't want to talk about me, more the Echo being banned from St Marys this season.

 

Is that what passes for a response to your mind, Stu? A bit feeble, isn't it? Contradictory too, as my assertion that you could have ressurected the previous thread was all about the matter in hand. This is just repetition of it all. So why couldn't you just have updated the previous thread? What has changed to warrant another thread? I'd really be interested to know.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

lol

 

You are quick to knock and rubbish rumours/sources etc of other peoples. What evidence do you have that the Echo have not sent an apology to Cortese/SFC ?

 

None? Oh...

 

What evidence do you have that they haven't? The burden of proof is not on me, it's on the person accusing.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

As in, there is plenty of 'bad' PR the Echo could print about life down at St Marys, certainly they seem to have started questioning decisions, such as a very random highlighted red box in which they bullet point about the Ted Bates Trophy in todays issue and questioning why there hasn't been one and no communication.

 

I bet Cortese is quaking in his boots.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

What evidence do you have that they haven't? The burden of proof is not on me, it's on the person accusing.

 

I don't. I never suggested they have/did or for that matter, even should.

 

You posted as fact, when really you haven't got a clue.

[Wes Tender]

lol

 

You are quick to knock and rubbish rumours/sources etc of other peoples. What evidence do you have that the Echo have not sent an apology to Cortese/SFC ?

 

None? Oh...

 

But you have loads of evidence that they have sent a formal apology then? No, I thought not.

[John B]

Just being a newspaper then

 

Must be more in it than that

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I don't. I never suggested they have/did or for that matter, even should.

 

You posted as fact, when really you haven't got a clue.

 

Sorry, you posted as fact that the Echo are still banned, on the back of no evidence. You're getting yourself a little bit confused and flustered here love.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Just being a newspaper then

 

Must be more in it than that

 

They had the option of waiting 24 hours and getting a much better scoop. They just never thought that they would be banned. More fool them.

[Thedelldays]

fergie does not speak to the BBC...I wonder what the thoughts from man yoo fans on that

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Sorry, you posted as fact that the Echo are still banned, on the back of no evidence. You're getting yourself a little bit confused and flustered here love.

 

 

I give up. Absolutely no point trying to be sensible and realistic debating subjects with people who will go out of their way to try and protect Cortese.

 

No matchday photos and a very fluffy and non-informative match report suggest that they are still banned. And I do know as of last Wednesday/Thursday, the club had not responded to their Press Accreditation Application. So excuse me if I take them facts and come to my own conclusion.

 

You are right, they may well have not have been banned and the photographer could have turned up at Reading by accident, or got his days mixed up.

 

OK then... that's enough for me on this subject I think.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

 

 

No matchday photos and a very fluffy and non-informative match report suggest that they are still banned.

 

You are right, they may well have not have been banned and the photographer could have turned up at Reading by accident, or got his days mixed up.

 

That to me just sounds like the Echo's reporting, they're really not a very good paper a lot of the time.

[Wes Tender]

 

I give up. Absolutely no point trying to be sensible and realistic debating subjects with people who will go out of their way to try and protect Cortese.

 

No matchday photos and a very fluffy and non-informative match report suggest that they are still banned. And I do know as of last Wednesday/Thursday, the club had not responded to their Press Accreditation Application. So excuse me if I take them facts and come to my own conclusion.

 

You are right, they may well have not have been banned and the photographer could have turned up at Reading by accident, or got his days mixed up.

 

OK then... that's enough for me on this subject I think.

 

You've not told us why this couldn't have been added to the existing thread on the subject and now you've had enough.

 

As you started this thread, would you therefore be happy if the Mods closed it?

[saint_mears]

I guest they are not banned but just had one media pass and are not going to pay the club for use of photos.

[Third Division South Days]

If deteriorating fast means allowing posts from people who think NC is fallible, and as the CEO of a much loved football club his every decision should be rightly held up to scrutiny, then yes !!!! On the other hand if you believe that the club is not that important and anything those who run decide should be waved through unopposed then lets ban these trouble makers.

 

Its deteriorating fast because its all so boringly repetitive and has anyone's view of NC been changed -very few- I suspect.

[stevegrant]

Confirmation: the Daily Echo were not banned from the ground on Saturday.

 

I think this can be closed now.

 

Should also add that it's understandable that the lack of photos from the game would lead people to that conclusion, but I'm informed that there's a new system in place for photography at the club this season and there were some teething problems.