Daily Echo still banned

[JustMike]

Where was Cortese mentioned in the OP? The subject is the Daily Echo.

 

Rather amusing how some people constantly whinge how "every thread turns into a NC bashing thread", and yet it's actually them that are doing so. Try reading the actual words written in the OP rather than putting your own words in there.

 

come on Steve, NC didnt need to be mentioned, pretty obvious what the OP was getting at.

 

for what its worth, i hope they do sort it out, as DBP rightfully says, some people rely on the echo but i think it would need both sides to back down

[JustMike]

The reason is nothing more than the club want to control as much of the public content of the club as possible. Not because they want to keep fans informed as much as possible, but because they want to limit the amount of communication with supporters to the bare minimum.

 

In my opinion, of course.

 

or they want to limit the amount of inaccurate / recycled "news" ;-)

[Dave Benson Phillips]

come on Steve, NC didnt need to be mentioned, pretty obvious what the OP was getting at.

 

for what its worth, i hope they do sort it out, as DBP rightfully says, some people rely on the echo but i think it would need both sides to back down

 

I would suggest the Echo are being very fair and acting in a professional and adult manner. The Echo 'could' print a whole host of negative stories if they wanted to... they are aware of the same things which have been posted on here by various people.

 

I suspect that if the ban is not lifted by the first game of the season then the gloves will come off and The Echo will not feel obliged to protect Cortese and SFC.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

or they want to limit the amount of inaccurate / recycled "news" ;-)

 

I never get this whole 'recycled news' bit. It's not recycled for the people whom rely on the Echo publication for their Saints news, is it? It might seem to people like you and others as recycled, as you would have already read the story somewhere on the internet, but to the people who don't use the internet, it's not recycled, simply passing on a news story into print.

 

And you say inaccurate, what about when the Echo get it right? Like Dickson signing?

[Wes Tender]

Err... not dragging up anything. People have been questioning whether the club will still be banned. The confirmation is there that they have been, so it's a relevent topic. If it doesn't interest you then why not f*ck off to one that does?

 

Because I have the right to express my opinion on an internet forum which I have done. Sorry that you don't approve of my dissent, but I didn't realise that this was a thread exclusively for those who wished to stoke your ego.

[Third Division South Days]

If you're not bothered, why are you posting about it?

 

Steve -I coughed up the fiver yesterday with some misgiving. A large number of members of this Forum appear to totally ****ed off with a number of individuals who have who either hijacked or instigate threads with their anti NC obsession. Yes quite rightly its an open Forum but its deteriorating fast.

[trousers]

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Steve -I coughed up the fiver yesterday with some misgiving. A large number of members of this Forum appear to totally ****ed off with a number of individuals who have who either hijacked or instigate threads with their anti NC obsession. Yes quite rightly its an open Forum but its deteriorating fast.

 

Can you point to some 'hijacked' threads? I haven't noticed any.

[stevegrant]

Steve -I coughed up the fiver yesterday with some misgiving. A large number of members of this Forum appear to totally ****ed off with a number of individuals who have who either hijacked or instigate threads with their anti NC obsession. Yes quite rightly its an open Forum but its deteriorating fast.

It's all very subjective, though - one person's "good point" is another's "wind-up", depending on which side of the fence you sit.

 

I liken it to a decent referee (if such a thing exists), who would much rather let things flow rather than penalise everything, regardless how small and insignificant.

 

The best thing I can suggest is that you add anybody who you feel is particular tiresome to your ignore list. You'll still see that they've posted on a thread, but unless you specifically want to read that individual post, you won't have to.

 

Also, if anyone is clearly breaking the forum rules, whether it be by "e-stalking" (God I hate that phrase ), hurling insults, or any of the other rules for that matter, please use the "Report Post" feature (it's this button: ) and let the moderators and admins deal with it.

 

Trust me, we're doing our best to keep things on-track, but it's always been the case that we try not to disrupt conversations mid-flow as constantly locking threads and deleting posts only serves to annoy people, which ultimately becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[SaintBobby]

The banning of the Echo may be petty. And/or it may be a sound business decision.

 

Local papers everywhere are in serious decline. Local sports news/gossip is vital to them. However, this means football clubs are owners of a crucial news source and they may wish to control it themselves.

 

A website can't replace a local newspaper - especially for older readers - but if the club want to develop the OS as the "go to" point for official and breaking news, that's fine by me.

 

Of course, it may turn out to be the right decision made for the wrong reasons.

[Daren W]

Am I the only one here wondering why people are so quick to criticise the Echo and yet even quicker to criticise some posters for apparently jumping to speedy conclusions in regards to Cortese???

 

A newspaper has been banned, are people that blinkered that they can't see that's a very bad thing?

 

I'm stunned to see people so entrenched in their views that they can't see that some very poor decisions have been made? Are people that determined to have a go at the likes SRS and FF that they can continually slag them off on here for their perceived attitude against the club and yet blinkeredly refuse to listen to anything they say?

 

Somewhere near the middle lies the truth. That yes the club was save by Cortese and yes we owe him a massive debt of gratitude but that doesn't excuse some very poor decisions. Banning a newspaper, stopping installment plans/half season tickets despite promising they would be kept, refusing a fan a ticket and yet a month on still not telling him why, at what stage do people ask questions about the club???

[sadoldgit]

It all seems a bit silly. New season, fresh start for both parties perhaps? No matter what you think of the Echo, the local paper should be involved with the local team. Time to kiss and make up methinks. Cortese will have to get use to the media taking a close interest in the way he operates in the same way his predecessors had to. Some things he can control some he can't. Welcome to the world of football and business in the UK Nicola.

[trousers]

Banning a newspaper, stopping installment plans/half season tickets despite promising they would be kept, refusing a fan a ticket and yet a month on still not telling him why

 

You may have double counted one 'criticism' there as I believe that said fan may have a connection with said newspaper (in that they write occasional articles...?).

 

Again, I'm not judging whether the umbrella 'anything connected with the Echo' ban is right or wrong just pointing out that it may be the same root cause.

 

Who knows.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

You may have double counted one 'criticism' there as I believe that said fan may have a connection with said newspaper (in that they write occasional articles...?).

 

Again, I'm not judging whether the umbrella 'anything connected with the Echo' ban is right or wrong just pointing out that it may be the same root cause.

 

Who knows.

 

So basically what you are suggesting is that anyone who has a bad word to say about the club will be banned?

[Leicestersaint]

If this is true i think it is very childish, petulant and sad and reflects very badly on the attitudes of the present management.

[trousers]

So basically what you are suggesting is that anyone who has a bad word to say about the club will be banned?

 

No.

 

I'm simply summising that perhaps Cortese has banned the Echo and 'anyone who works for them'. If said fan has no connection with the Echo whatsoever then my hunch would obviosuly be wide of the mark.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

If this is true i think it is very childish, petulant and sad and reflects very badly on the attitudes of the present management.

 

I would suggest it most definately is true, shown by the fact they have no match photos in the 'report' today, just photos from away pre-season games.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

No.

 

I'm simply summising that perhaps Cortese has banned the Echo and 'anyone who works for them'. If said fan has no connection with the Echo whatsoever then my hunch would obviosuly be wide of the mark.

 

Nick doesn't work for them, he is just their rent-a-quote.

[trousers]

Nick doesn't work for them, he is just their rent-a-quote.

 

I guess it depends how far Cortese has cast his Echo net then. Sounds like my hunch is a tad tenuous though.

[Daren W]

You may have double counted one 'criticism' there as I believe that said fan may have a connection with said newspaper (in that they write occasional articles...?).

 

Again, I'm not judging whether the umbrella 'anything connected with the Echo' ban is right or wrong just pointing out that it may be the same root cause.

 

Who knows.

 

If that were the case then that would be twice as bad. To ban someone because they occasionally write for the Echo would be appalling...

 

If Nick were refused a season ticket because of the Silverspoons fiasco then I can accept that and I believe that an explanation and apology should be forthcoming to those who felt ripped off by the event.

 

If it's because Nick exercised his right to express his an opinion and been refused a ticket on those grounds then we should all be very worried indeed...

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I think I have worked out what is going on here. Stu fancies NC. There can be no other reason for his near on obsession and constant homophobia.

[Wes Tender]

Am I the only one here wondering why people are so quick to criticise the Echo and yet even quicker to criticise some posters for apparently jumping to speedy conclusions in regards to Cortese???

 

A newspaper has been banned, are people that blinkered that they can't see that's a very bad thing?

 

I'm stunned to see people so entrenched in their views that they can't see that some very poor decisions have been made? Are people that determined to have a go at the likes SRS and FF that they can continually slag them off on here for their perceived attitude against the club and yet blinkeredly refuse to listen to anything they say?

 

Can't we just have one thread exclusively for those who wish to have a dig against Cortese? Then they can all spit out their bile in the one place. I propose that SRS starts the thread, as I'm sure that he is the one who would derive the most pleasure from it. What is frustratingly boring is having the same people starting or hijacking thread after thread spouting the same stuff ad nauseum. No new points have been made; it is just the same stuff regurgitated again and again. If it was all on the same thread, then we could ignore it if we so wished.

 

Are people that determined to have a go at the likes SRS and FF that they can continually slag them off on here for their perceived attitude against the club and yet blinkeredly refuse to listen to anything they say?

I presume that you know the story of Peter and the Wolf? The moral of that story might provide a clue as to the answer to your question.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I think I have worked out what is going on here. Stu fancies NC. There can be no other reason for his near on obsession and constant homophobia.

 

That's a well thought, constructive and mature post. Well done you.

Edited 2 August, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips

[the saint in winchester]

What kind of idiot relies on the Echo for Saints related news? It is nothing more than speculation.

 

That would be my view too. This is the internet age. Everyone has access to the OS. Why would they need news to be broken in a local paper? I have never bought it in 30 years.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

That would be my view too. This is the internet age. Everyone has access to the OS. Why would they need news to be broken in a local paper? I have never bought it in 30 years.

 

EVERYONE?

 

So you are speaking on behalf of EVERYONE are you? Or could it be alot of Saints fans, especially the older generation, don't have access to computers or are not computer literate and rely on the Echo for Saints news etc.

[scotty]

Does anyone care that much? I don't.

 

this

[Saint in Paradise]

Oi ! please stop going on about us old people, I am old but have access to the internet

Edited 2 August, 2010 by Saint in Paradise

[Saint in Paradise]

EVERYONE?

 

So you are speaking on behalf of EVERYONE are you? Or could it be alot of Saints fans, especially the older generation, don't have access to computers or are not computer literate and rely on the Echo for Saints news etc.

 

Perhaps "the saint in winchester" is really Nick Illingworth then, he does that according to some on here

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Stu - You used to be manly and just go to football and get beer'd up how it should be done. What has happened? Most your posts now are to do with club politics and boring stuff.

 

That is exactly what I will do once MK Dons away comes along again.

[Smirking_Saint]

Where was Cortese mentioned in the OP? The subject is the Daily Echo.

 

Rather amusing how some people constantly whinge how "every thread turns into a NC bashing thread", and yet it's actually them that are doing so. Try reading the actual words written in the OP rather than putting your own words in there.

 

So who exactly is the thread directed at then ??

 

I find it hard to believe that an intelligent poster like you is not able to spot that this thread is in essence directed at NC's decision to ban the echo.

 

(not that i think the OP should be infracted for posting this thread, as much as i don't agree if Alps was infracted for voicing an opinion)

[merrimd]

EVERYONE?

 

So you are speaking on behalf of EVERYONE are you? Or could it be alot of Saints fans, especially the older generation, don't have access to computers or are not computer literate and rely on the Echo for Saints news etc.

 

Are they still not getting their Saints news from the Echo then? Funny. I could have sworn they still have match reports, transfer news, injury news, speculation, quotes etc etc etc.

[SaintBobby]

Oi ! please stop going on about us old people, I am old but have access to the internet

 

I think it's an accepted (i.e. accurate) generalisation that older folk tend to purchase a disproportionately high number of newspapers and visit a disporportionately low number of websites.

[Big Bad Bob]

Ever considered the fact that an Echo reporter WAS at the match, just that non of the agencies would sell their photos to them? Or no freelancers want to work for the Echo?

 

In fact I've just read the report online and it certainly reads as if the Senior Sports Writer was there

Edited 2 August, 2010 by Big Bad Bob

[trousers]

Ever considered the fact that an Echo reporter WAS at the match, just that non of the agencies would sell their photos to them? Or no freelancers want to work for the Echo?

 

In fact I've just read the report online and it certainly reads as if the Senior Sports Writer was there

 

Yep, that was my thought too when I actually read through the article. The text gives no hint that they weren't there, so all this is based on the absence of a matchday photograph which, as you say, could be for a completely different reason to the 'ban'.

 

Just observation of course.

[dune]

It really is pathetic if the Echo are still banned. Cortese is acting like a spoilt kid.

[dronskisaint]

Where was Cortese mentioned in the OP? The subject is the Daily Echo.

 

Rather amusing how some people constantly whinge how "every thread turns into a NC bashing thread", and yet it's actually them that are doing so. Try reading the actual words written in the OP rather than putting your own words in there.

 

My apologies for the 'Yawn' comment - it's not a habit & may even be the first but I could have typed 'This forum is not about the same subjects being discussed ad infinitum by people with their own agendas re SFC & assorted personnel therein' Discuss

 

Obviously a forum is exactly that but my dementia-suffering mother in a home in Woodlands is less repetitive than an awful lot of this. I have no real issue with the perpetrators - I find most posters amusing, informative or not but it seems a failure to ever move away from the themes is more damaging to the ethos of a forum than a number of posters - myself included - who have replied to this thread in one or more of it's previous incarnations

[merrimd]

It really is pathetic if the Echo are still banned. Cortese is acting like a spoilt kid.

 

Just for balance, how is he acting if the echo are NOT still banned?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Just for balance, how is he acting if the echo are NOT still banned?

 

Be realistic if you want to simply add balance.

 

The club have no photo's of the match in their report, only photos of friendly away games.

[alpine_saint]

Where was Cortese mentioned in the OP? The subject is the Daily Echo.

 

So the OP was not a clearly implied criticism of NC, since he is the one who did the banning ?

[Big Bad Bob]

Be realistic if you want to simply add balance.

 

The club have no photo's of the match in their report, only photos of friendly away games.

 

But Stu, it seems like the Echo's Senior Sports Editor was at the match so it just falls to a point over lack of photos.

 

I know that in the PL you have to get a PL license to be able to print photos from a PL match, does the same apply to the Football League?

 

Even if an Echo photographer was banned I'm sure they could source photos from some other freelancer that was at the match, why didn't they?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

But Stu, it seems like the Echo's Senior Sports Editor was at the match so it just falls to a point over lack of photos.

 

I know that in the PL you have to get a PL license to be able to print photos from a PL match, does the same apply to the Football League?

 

Even if an Echo photographer was banned I'm sure they could source photos from some other freelancer that was at the match, why didn't they?

 

It was a friendly so 'licenses' are irrelevent.

 

And maybe the licence/accreditation was issued to other photographers on the condition none of their prints were sold on to the Echo. I would say that's a realistic assumption to make based on Cortese's previous.

[alpine_saint]

Am I the only one here wondering why people are so quick to criticise the Echo and yet even quicker to criticise some posters for apparently jumping to speedy conclusions in regards to Cortese???

 

A newspaper has been banned, are people that blinkered that they can't see that's a very bad thing?

 

I'm stunned to see people so entrenched in their views that they can't see that some very poor decisions have been made? Are people that determined to have a go at the likes SRS and FF that they can continually slag them off on here for their perceived attitude against the club and yet blinkeredly refuse to listen to anything they say?

 

Somewhere near the middle lies the truth. That yes the club was save by Cortese and yes we owe him a massive debt of gratitude but that doesn't excuse some very poor decisions. Banning a newspaper, stopping installment plans/half season tickets despite promising they would be kept, refusing a fan a ticket and yet a month on still not telling him why, at what stage do people ask questions about the club???

 

At least you are honest enough, unlike others, to contribute to this thread as it was intended- a general attack on our chairman...

[stevegrant]

Even if an Echo photographer was banned I'm sure they could source photos from some other freelancer that was at the match, why didn't they?

Last season during the Echo ban, the club were only giving access to photographers who agreed to sign an agreement stating they wouldn't sell their photos to the Echo. This was stated by the Press Association in a circular to all news outlets in the buildup to the Pompey game - I think the circular was copied on here at some point, they refused to sign the agreement, so there were no PA photographers at that game.

[merrimd]

Be realistic if you want to simply add balance.

 

The club have no photo's of the match in their report, only photos of friendly away games.

 

So the Echo have NOT been banned from St Marys then? So all the old and technophobes CAN still get their daily hit of all things Saints in the Echo. That's good news then isnt it?

 

Or is it only 'realistic' to be negative about the way the club is run?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

At least you are honest enough, unlike others, to contribute to this thread as it was intended- a general attack on our chairman...

 

It was a thread confirming the Echo have been banned, whether you see that is good or bad is up for debate, and after all Alpine, that's what a forum is for, isn't it?

[alpine_saint]

It was a thread confirming the Echo have been banned, whether you see that is good or bad is up for debate, and after all Alpine, that's what a forum is for, isn't it?

 

Indeed it is.

 

You hate NC and want him out, I am concerned this season will be another f**k -up to add to the anals (deliberate spelling) of Saints history.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

So the Echo have NOT been banned from St Marys then? So all the old and technophobes CAN still get their daily hit of all things Saints in the Echo. That's good news then isnt it?

 

Or is it only 'realistic' to be negative about the way the club is run?

 

I think it is pretty damn obvious to anyone who doesn't have a blinded love for certain people at the club that The Echo have been banned again this season, I don't think there is any doubt about that.

 

The debate I guess is whether you think the club are justified in banning the Echo again, or whether you think it is a petty and childish act by the club.

[Saint_clark]

FFS the Echo will still report on Saints news anyway, if they wanted to be the "official local paper of Southampton Football Club" then maybe they should have respected it's request.

And personally I don't think they are banned. As someone else said, there were posters for them up around St Marys and they were selling them again for the second half of the season. Maybe we should wait until saturday and see if the sellers are at the ground?

[docker-p]

Steve -I coughed up the fiver yesterday with some misgiving. A large number of members of this Forum appear to totally ****ed off with a number of individuals who have who either hijacked or instigate threads with their anti NC obsession. Yes quite rightly its an open Forum but its deteriorating fast.

If deteriorating fast means allowing posts from people who think NC is fallible, and as the CEO of a much loved football club his every decision should be rightly held up to scrutiny, then yes !!!! On the other hand if you believe that the club is not that important and anything those who run decide should be waved through unopposed then lets ban these trouble makers.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Indeed it is.

 

You hate NC and want him out, I am concerned this season will be another f**k -up to add to the anals (deliberate spelling) of Saints history.

 

I don't want NC out by all accounts.

 

He has let the 'fame' of being a football club chairman go to his head, and he needs to wind his neck in. If he can't wind his neck in then yes, I won't lose any sleep if he f*cks off... especially as I don't subscribe to the thought that Liebherr will p1ss money down the drain and f*ck off too if Cortese goes.