A few rumours

[hypochondriac]

Yep, that seems the way it works. There is no middle ground.

 

The thing is, if people actually could find a middle ground then there is room for both. Cortese has some real positives about his attitude, he is definately focused. I just think the "fame" of being a football club chairman has gone to his head and he needs bringing down a peg or two and winding his neck in.

 

Yep pretty much agree with that. There are quite a few positives but also a fair few negatives. I just want the negative aspects addressing (mostly the communication with the fans) and I'll be dead happy.

[shurlock]

Yep, that seems the way it works. There is no middle ground.

 

The thing is, if people actually could find a middle ground then there is room for both. Cortese has some real positives about his attitude, he is definately focused. I just think the "fame" of being a football club chairman has gone to his head and he needs bringing down a peg or two and winding his neck in.

 

FFS - something I agree with you on

[John B]

Sorry, how can you 'know about it' based on gossip, how can you form an opinion on something that is not a proven fact. Ask Duncan to name his source, then get that source to repeat his 'knowledge', then maybe you would have a point. It is pure scaremongering, designed to cause this kind of rift, ask Duncan about his agenda here! it seems to me, that he has been against this takeover from the start.

 

I dont really see the post as scaremongering in anyway it just seems to bear out what has been in the press for sometime

 

I dont know whether they are true but they could be a possibilty posting them on the Internet is not goin to affect the team very much what is going to affect the team (which is what Duncan is worried about) is if Pardew is not performing well if there is a poor relationship with the Chairman which I think he believes there is.

 

With regard to the ownership I dont think it is healthy that an owner can do whatever he likes with the football club for a variety of reasons but we have an owner and we have to live with that

[Third Division South Days]

Yep, that seems the way it works. There is no middle ground.

 

The thing is, if people actually could find a middle ground then there is room for both. Cortese has some real positives about his attitude, he is definately focused. I just think the "fame" of being a football club chairman has gone to his head and he needs bringing down a peg or two and winding his neck in.

 

Whats he said since May?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Whats he said since May?

 

Sorry, I might be missing your point?

[doggface]

The forum has been boring over the summer - This is a few "rumours" which is interesting.

 

No need to take it so seriously. This thread will cause no damage to the club whatsoever in this case.

[Weston Saint]

Oh well, could be that the comments on this thread may finally drive away many more posters, including Duncan, who might have had something to offer.

 

I for one will no longer share any information I might have on here.

 

I know it is summer and the season has not yet started but the childish attitute/postings of some and the way they have "soiled" the main forum has caused a marked deterioration of late and many good posters with varying opinions are reluctant to add thie views.

[hypochondriac]

well said

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Oh well, could be that the comments on this thread may finally drive away many more posters, including Duncan, who might have had something to offer.

 

I for one will no longer share any information I might have on here.

 

I know it is summer and the season has not yet started but the childish attitute/postings of some and the way they have "soiled" the main forum has caused a marked deterioration of late and many good posters with varying opinions are reluctant to add thie views.

I agree 100% Ron, you know me, I would not have posted a rumour until I was pretty happy there is an element of truth in it. When I started the Pompey takeover collapsing thread it was just a rumour passed on to me by a journalist and 12 months on it is still entertaining this forum. A month ago I heard from an ex player with good connections that Marcus was looking to sell. I gave it some thought, didn't believe it and so didn't post it. It is a sad state of affairs when anonymous posters resort to making remarks about one's job and personal life simply because they don't like your views on how the club is governed.

[hypochondriac]

I agree Duncan. Constantly referring to your BA job is out of order, especially considering the problems you have had in the past few months. Whatever, keep passing on your views to people you know will appreciate it. Perhaps you will have to confine yourself to communications via PM in future. I know that is something I am considering. Perhaps time for me to have a break from posting.

[bigdavewatson]

FF, WS, I feel for you guys, some of the vitriol aimed at you is shocking. I believe that some people are envious of other people's connections/relationships with people who just happen to be involved in some which way with the club.

I am pretty close to someone who was heavily involved at the club for many years and still has many footballing contacts in the area. He is adamant that NC was going to sack AP at the end of last season and that AP, who I know my contact speaks to regularly, was resigned to the fact that he was going. I keep schtum because of the abuse I have seen other people getting just for sharing info (which I thought was part of the reason this kind of forum exists).

I for one will miss your insightful posts.

[landford.saint]

I agree Duncan. Constantly referring to your BA job is out of order, especially considering the problems you have had in the past few months. Whatever, keep passing on your views to people you know will appreciate it. Perhaps you will have to confine yourself to communications via PM in future. I know that is something I am considering. Perhaps time for me to have a break from posting.

 

Perhaps with all the wazzocks and numpty's posting on here of late it is time for all people not just out for an argumemt to simply PM each other and have intelligent discussions and differences of opinion without resorting to childish personal insults and innuendo's.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

FF, WS, I feel for you guys, some of the vitriol aimed at you is shocking. I believe that some people are envious of other people's connections/relationships with people who just happen to be involved in some which way with the club.

I am pretty close to someone who was heavily involved at the club for many years and still has many footballing contacts in the area. He is adamant that NC was going to sack AP at the end of last season and that AP, who I know my contact speaks to regularly, was resigned to the fact that he was going. I keep schtum because of the abuse I have seen other people getting just for sharing info (which I thought was part of the reason this kind of forum exists).

I for one will miss your insightful posts.

 

I am certain that Cortese wanted rid of him. Speaking to a few people and seeing some of the posts of some of the more 'informed' posters on here as well confirms to me that the 'silence' at the end of last season was a deliberate opinion survey, one which didn't get the results that NC would have liked.

[Master Bates]

This thread proves how far this forum has fallen due to certain posters, and i'm glad I rarely make sensible comments.

 

Keep yer chin up Dunc and WS.

[Saint in Paradise]

I have just got in from a very long day at work and happened to read some of this thread.

I wish I hadn't bothered as I am depressed now.

 

I usually like reading what Weston and FF post ( Not that bit about Mr Liebherr selling though )

but now some other posters have decided to deride them so much that they will stop is, for someone like me

who lives a few miles from Soton, a blasted nuisence. This forum is the only place for me to get news.

[darranl]

i work there good enough

[Weston Saint]

Let me make it clear, I have not had any abuse posted about me of late. It was a general comment but I have decided not to share any information I might pick up from various sources. as a result of abuse to some others.

[sfcjmcsfc16]

Does anyone know if the chapel end is the whole family enclosure end? or just the small section to the left of it.

 

thanks

[stevegrant]

This thread proves how far this forum has fallen due to certain posters, and i'm glad I rarely make sensible comments.

It would be a very strange day when you make sensible comments

[hypochondriac]

Thanks to the other quieter posters who feel a similar way to how I do. Nice to hear from you as well MB. I hope you post a bit more again. As an old timer like myself, believe me when I say you are missed!

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Let me make it clear, I have not had any abuse posted about me of late. It was a general comment but I have decided not to share any information I might pick up from various sources..

 

Don't blame you to be honest. You can't have an opinion which doesn't subscribe to the happy family that is SFC at the moment, let alone post and information you may have heard without people jumping on to discredit it or just attack you.

 

I am not sure if some people are jealous that others have access to information from inside SFC, or they are scared Cortese will walk away and take Liebherr with him, or something else... but there is a real 'protection team' around Cortese which consists of about a dozen or so posters, who will jump on any post/thread which might show their leader in a bad light.

 

The truth will come out in the end and I hope that the people who have insulted other posters and rubbished their 'rumours' will be man/woman enough to put their hands up and say "sorry, you were right".

 

I won't hold my breath though.

[sadoldgit]

Do Cortese work together? Of course they do. Do they get on? If the last year tells us anything, disagreeing with Cortese isn't the way to get on at SFC. Last year Waigo was recruited from Italy unseen by Pardew, introduced by contacts of Cortese. Waigo was under utilised by Pardew despite changing games after coming on late. At the end of the season despite the speculation Cortese gave Pardew a vote of confidence, however there was a sting in the tail that seems to be ignored on here. Cortese stated catogorically that there was going to be a change in playing style to a more exciting style that would be the 'Southampton' style played throughout the club, after his discussions with Pardew.

 

I thought at the time that Pardew will have a problem with that, as he isn't that type of manager, preferring safety first pragmatism. To date there appears to be no change of style. Waigo went back to Fiorentina despite the option to purchase. It wouldn't surprise me if he isn't a bone of contention between the two. Markus Leibherr and Nicola Cortese are Europeans and I suspect hate the lump it up to Lambert style that we often employ. As far as I am concerned Markus Leibherr and because of his trust in Cortese, together, are the most important factors in SFC. Whilst Pardew is the present manager, if he isn't providing what the owner wants and goes his own way, there will be only one inevitable outcome. If Pardew goes, it might in the short term make a difference on the playing side, but I somehow think Cortese has that base covered if the rumours are true.

 

I would like to think that Pardew is striving to fulfill the aspirations of the owner however I have doubts that the two parties have much common ground.

 

I might not like the autocratic style but is the chosen way and as long as the present owner is getting what he wants out of the club, thats fine by me, because it sure as hell is better than the debacle we put up with in recent years, before Leibherr bought the club.

 

I am sure both Leibherr and Cortese know a lot about business. Whether they know as much about getting a team promoted from the third division of English football is questionable. Could either of them manage the club? No. They may not like the style of football (do we know that for sure?) but they hire someone to look after that business. If they don't like the way he does his job then they should discuss it with him and if things do not change to their liking, find someone else. Frankly, apart from the slow start last season I don't see what they have to complain about.

[sfcjmcsfc16]

Does anyone know if the chapel end is the whole family enclosure end? or just the small section to the left of it.

 

thanks

 

 

Need to sort season tickets for the kids and myself, anyone know please..

ta

[trousers]

A month ago I heard from an ex player with good connections that Marcus was looking to sell

 

I can't think of anyone out there who would want to buy the club at this moment in time though.....ah, hang on....

 

[Saint in Paradise]

I can't think of anyone out there who would want to buy the club at this moment in time though.....ah, hang on....

 

 

PLEASE DO NOT SAY THAT, even in jest.

[sadoldgit]

It is a free world. If people want to post rumours fine. WE are all (well most of us) grown ups and know what the word "rumour" means. If some people take issue with the rumour spreading that is down to them. Isn't it time that people just accepted that no matter what you post, someone somewhere will find issue with it - isn't this what this is all about? Exchanging views? At some point most of us will write something that will get another's back up. If we all gave up and took the ball home when a bit of stick sarts flying there would be no forum.

 

What happens here is no different to what happens in the pub after a game (without the booze sadly). I for one am pleased that the likes of Duncan and Weston share what they hear at times. It gives us something to talk about. Given that many of us think that Cortese does not rate Pardew I don't have a problem with Duncan sharing that rumour at all. Pardew will go at some point, it is just a question of when. If we are doing well and he stays after Christmas, no harm done. If the two are not in harmony at the start of the season that does not bode well for us. All good stuff to debate.

 

Everyone has an agenda. Take that on board and realise that we are just exchanging banter here, not trying to rewrite the Gospels.

[ohwhenthesaints]

Does anyone know if the chapel end is the whole family enclosure end? or just the small section to the left of it.

 

thanks

 

The whole of the Chapel end is now the family enclosure. Hope you and your kids enjoy the season.

[Master Bates]

It would be a very strange day when you make sensible comments

 

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[Scummer]

Does anyone know if the chapel end is the whole family enclosure end? or just the small section to the left of it.

 

thanks

 

It's the whole end. I've moved into there myself this season.

[sfcjmcsfc16]

It's the whole end. I've moved into there myself this season.

 

Great hopefully get some singing going this season!

[Hoggins]

Sacking Pardew would be ridiculous, haven't we had enough managers over the last 15 years to know that?

[John B]

Sacking Pardew would be ridiculous, haven't we had enough managers over the last 15 years to know that?

 

If Pardew does not do what Cortese tells him what is the alternative?

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I agree Duncan. Constantly referring to your BA job is out of order, especially considering the problems you have had in the past few months. Whatever, keep passing on your views to people you know will appreciate it. Perhaps you will have to confine yourself to communications via PM in future. I know that is something I am considering. Perhaps time for me to have a break from posting.

 

Cheers Hypo - it is a shame that one of the most energetic but fair posters such as yourself are disillusioned.

[derry]

Are you genuinely suggesting that we were a defensive (the near-perfect translation of "pragmatic" in football-speak) team last season?!

 

Suggest you read Pardew's description if himself and his way of doing things, in his interview with the Guardian, which then drew the statement from Cortese which started all the doubt.

 

I don't think Pardew shows up as a proponent of attacking, passing football. The fact we score goals has more to do with the talent available rather than the manager setting up an attacking team. The narrow long ball game we often resort to playing seems to be his default position. If he left tomorrow I wouldn't lose any sleep.

[John B]

Cheers Hypo - it is a shame that one of the most energetic but fair posters such as yourself are disillusioned.

 

I do not understand why anyone should be that disillusioned with the posters on this board it is no different to how it has been since I joined.

 

I can usually tell what the regular posters are going to say about a given topic before reading their post like Derry thinking that Pardew is tactically inept

Edited 2 August, 2010 by John B

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Suggest you read Pardew's description if himself and his way of doing things, in his interview with the Guardian, which then drew the statement from Cortese which started all the doubt.

 

I don't think Pardew shows up as a proponent of attacking, passing football. The fact we score goals has more to do with the talent available rather than the manager setting up an attacking team. The narrow long ball game we often resort to playing seems to be his default position. If he left tomorrow I wouldn't lose any sleep.

 

I think you might get a bit of flak for that last sentence D,

whatever people think about APs tactics, he is well liked by the fans and now is certainly not the time to get rid. It should have been either last May or Xmas if we are not in a top 6 position.

[corsacar saint]

If any of you posters on the site who spout your vitriol at Duncan,knew him personally like I do,and realized how much he loves the club,every one of you,

would react to some of his threads with grace only. He is a top guy,unlike some who post on here.

It is a shame that some posters on the forum,are totally incapable of being pleasant to their fellow posters.

[derry]

I think you might get a bit of flak for that last sentence D,

whatever people think about APs tactics, he is well liked by the fans and now is certainly not the time to get rid. It should have been either last May or Xmas if we are not in a top 6 position.

 

As if I care Duncan, I have a thick skin. If he stays, it will be on Cortese's terms, I personally hate some of the crappy long ball stuff we default to at times, if we do develop a passing style under Pardew I will be delighted. If we don't it won't matter because it will mean another manager is. I just think Cortese has it right. His autocratic thin skin may be a bit hard to handle but I do know from somebody who has worked closely with him that he does look after people he values.

[derry]

If any of you posters on the site who spout your vitriol at Duncan,knew him personally like I do,and realized how much he loves the club,every one of you,

would react to some of his threads with grace only. He is a top guy,unlike some who post on here.

It is a shame that some posters on the forum,are totally incapable of being pleasant to their fellow posters.

 

Well said Andy.

[Red]

FF, WS, I feel for you guys, some of the vitriol aimed at you is shocking. I believe that some people are envious of other people's connections/relationships with people who just happen to be involved in some which way with the club.

I am pretty close to someone who was heavily involved at the club for many years and still has many footballing contacts in the area. He is adamant that NC was going to sack AP at the end of last season and that AP, who I know my contact speaks to regularly, was resigned to the fact that he was going. I keep schtum because of the abuse I have seen other people getting just for sharing info (which I thought was part of the reason this kind of forum exists).

I for one will miss your insightful posts.

 

"NC was going to sack AP" - this is the bit I struggle with - if NC is as ruthless etc. as most are suggesting then why did he not just not sack AP at the end of last season?? ML has said many times that he does not have any part in running the club, that is solely down to NC, so it is completely contradictory - either NC is a ruthless c**t and does not like AP so sacks him, or he does like him, or he is not a RC - can't all be true??

 

Personally I think it is a "suitable" arrangement - not a great happy arrangement (AP do what you like, you are untouchable as we love you), but get the results and you are fine. Let's face it which club has a romantic relationship like the past - can't think of any, particularly in the PL (maybe Arsenal is the closest?).

[beatlesaint]

Let me make it clear, I have not had any abuse posted about me of late. It was a general comment but I have decided not to share any information I might pick up from various sources. as a result of abuse to some others.

 

Thats a great shame, your snippets of info are one of the things i look for on this forum.

Let me know if you go to another one :-)

[sadoldgit]

Agreed - these rumours about Pardew and Cortese don't sound credible. The fact no-one has put their name to them make me believe them even less. Some people certainly seem to have an agenda. Wish they would p*ss off.

 

But Cortese has hardly given Pardew his concrete backing has he?

[Thedelldays]

Oh well. When is the cortese out protest?

[alpine_saint]

But Cortese has hardly given Pardew his concrete backing has he?

 

Maybe he simply isnt totally convinced ?

 

Even you have to agree surely, that if we dont do the bizz between now and Xmas, AP doesnt have a leg to stand on ?

[Saint_clark]

Maybe he simply isnt totally convinced ?

 

Even you have to agree surely, that if we dont do the bizz between now and Xmas, AP doesnt have a leg to stand on ?

 

If we're not in the top 3 by Christmas, I will start a "Pardew out" thread just for you. How's that?

[Huntingdon]

I'll be interested to see if Papa Waigo's potential return is another season loan, or an actual transfer

 

We need the different options he brings

[Professor]

My guess is that Pardew is popular with the fans who largely think he did well last year. Obviously he has strengths and weaknesses and it is easy if you dwell on the weaknesses to decide you don't rate him too highly, but the same could apply to any replacement. The limited team strengthening this close season is a concern, but we can't know if that is entirely down to Pardew, or whether it is also caused by the Chairman. But I agree with others, its results on the field that count, and its the Chairman who has the power to sack the manager, not the other way round, so it will be Pardew who will get the credit if the team does well, and his neck will be on the line if it doesn't, even if Cortese should have shared the blame.

 

As for posting rumours, of course people should - thats all they are, rumours that sometimes will be substantiated but more often, not.

[derry]

I am sure both Leibherr and Cortese know a lot about business. Whether they know as much about getting a team promoted from the third division of English football is questionable. Could either of them manage the club? No. They may not like the style of football (do we know that for sure?) but they hire someone to look after that business. If they don't like the way he does his job then they should discuss it with him and if things do not change to their liking, find someone else. Frankly, apart from the slow start last season I don't see what they have to complain about.

 

I think that is exactly what Cortese is doing with Pardew at the moment. I think they do realise that the teams that hoof their way to the Premier come straight back down. Sadly so do some of the footballing promotions ie. Burnley/WBA as they just aren't strong enough. I think they are trying to build a Premier football team, not for this season and maybe next but for the end of their 5 year plan. A really good football team that maintains it's momentum can survive the early seasons in the Premier. I think that is their aim.

[saint1977]

If any of you posters on the site who spout your vitriol at Duncan,knew him personally like I do,and realized how much he loves the club,every one of you,

would react to some of his threads with grace only. He is a top guy,unlike some who post on here.

It is a shame that some posters on the forum,are totally incapable of being pleasant to their fellow posters.

 

Believe you me Corsacar, this is mild compared with some of the bile and vitriol that gets posted on other parts of the forum by a relatively small number of posters. I've been much less active on here recently and that will continue until the moderators sort it out. I'm not ITK but I do think it is hypocracy for certain posters to accuse NC of being a despot and then abusing, quite personally in some cases, those that give a opinion differing from theirs. Differences of opinion are fine and I've got short, wrongly, with one or two posters when I shouldn't have done but it's because of the unpleasantness that has seeped into this site and I've no idea why as this should be a season to really enjoy. I'm just going to look on here for new signings, buy the new fanzine and go to the games (hopefully a few more away games this year as well).

[EastleighSoulBoy]

If any of you posters on the site who spout your vitriol at Duncan,knew him personally like I do,and realized how much he loves the club,every one of you,

would react to some of his threads with grace only. He is a top guy,unlike some who post on here.

It is a shame that some posters on the forum,are totally incapable of being pleasant to their fellow posters.

 

This, although I don't know FF as well as others!