A few rumours

[ericofarabia]

Or brush it under the carpet?

 

No chance of that with our new rumoured signing ................

 

 

[EastleighSoulBoy]

No chance of that with our new rumoured signing ................

 

 

 

Sucker!

[CitySaint]

I see your point FF, there is not smoke without fire and this is why I said I will support Cortese 'while he has the teams best interests at heart'. This might not always be the case. I think it is undisputed that Pardew is the best man for the job, but I also think in my opinion that having Cortese and everything that comes with him as chairman (debt free, liebherr money etc) is also more important than having Pardew as manager, look at the leaps and bounds the club has made in a year.

 

I believe that all is not well between the two, but surely this should inspire Pardew to create results that make him unsackable. Pressure can be positive.

 

I think you would agree with me as well, in noting key differences between the current club owners/leaders and the Wilde administration? None less so, than financial investment.

 

Please ignore the response from some posters, and continue to share any 'well-informed' rumours with us anyway. I for one, see that as one of the main reasons for contributing to a forum. If we only had firm facts and statistics then this would be the OS would it not?

[manji]

You do not know where I get my information from, where Hypo gets his from or where FF gets his from, or anyones infact.

I havnt heard any "information" from any of you,just chipontheshoulder agenda led tittle-tattle.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

+1

[Weston Saint]

Seems many have interpreted from FF's snippet that it is Cortese who will get rid of Pardew. Another interpretation could be that Pardew will walk into another job rather than continue his association with Cortese. I suspect the "source" may mean this as I heard similar at the end of last season. Opinion was that if a Championship club came in for Pardew he would likely be off without much thought. Likewise Cortese was not likely to stand in his way.

 

Word on the street also is that Saints are trying to get Antonio but are not prepared to pay what Reading want for him at present.

[shurlock]

Stu gets his info from loan sharks or sharks dressed as zebras

[up and away]

So what we're saying is Nicola, who is super secretive about every deal the club do has said to someone 'I'm going to sack Pardew by Christmas, no matter what', this person has then gone to ff and repeated what he was told, knowing full well he'll post it on the internet. I would have thought if Nicola thought this he would keep it to himself rather than talking to some blabber mouth.

 

The first 2 points fair enough, any player would probably know who Papa's agent is, so 2 and 2 put together, likewise any employee would know Nicola's been away.

 

I think someone is using ff for their own agenda knowing full well he likes to stir trouble and will post what he's been told on the internet.

 

One thing I would bet the farm on, if Cortese intended to get rid of Pardew, irrespective of results by Christmas, he would already be gone. Anyone who claims to know what Cortese is going to do is just a LIAR, unless he has publically spelt it out. You can infer certain things by people he has been talking to, or from those conversations, but as we have seen before, where he ends up can easily be some where completely different. Pardew may well go before the end of Christmas, but that will be down to not looking as though we will get an automatic spot.

 

As for the announcer to restrict his praise to the players and do not mention the management, that would include Pardew and Cortese?

[S-Clarke]

Seems many have interpreted from FF's snippet that it is Cortese who will get rid of Pardew. Another interpretation could be that Pardew will walk into another job rather than continue his association with Cortese. I suspect the "source" may mean this as I heard similar at the end of last season. Opinion was that if a Championship club came in for Pardew he would likely be off without much thought. Likewise Cortese was not likely to stand in his way.

 

Word on the street also is that Saints are trying to get Antonio but are not prepared to pay what Reading want for him at present.

 

Apparently reading want upwards of £1m, which is madness for a player they were just going to cast-aside 8 months ago.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

To be quite honest i could'nt give a flying f-uck who the chairman is , or who the manager is. As long as they're doing whats best for SAINTS, thats all i worry about.

And to be frank, and from what i can see. NC is trying to build the SAINTS brand so its sustainable as a entity, and not like that bunch of pikie shyters down the road or Manure, Hull ect! FAIR PLAY TO HIM!

Edited 1 August, 2010 by SOTONS EAST SIDE

[RinNY]

A simple point: if Cortese has in fact already decided that he is going to sack Pardew by Xmas, regardless of the team's results and position ... then he is an unmitigated and totally clueless, idiot. Which, without knowing anything about him beyond what is publicly known of his career so far, I just do not believe he is.

 

Why do I say this? Because if Cortese really wants Pardew out and has decided to sack him, Pardew would be out and sacked now! A new manager would be in place, making the player decisions (both signing and releasing), preparing the team for the new season. To let Pardew shape the squad, prepare the squad, manage the first (and very important) part of the season when you don't believe in him and have decided to sack him would be more than foolishness or idiocy: it would be downright lunacy!

 

What an utterly absurd rumour. In your place, FF, I would have told the informant in question to his (her?) face that (s)he was full of sh*t!

[Badger]

I see your point FF, there is not smoke without fire and this is why I said I will support Cortese 'while he has the teams best interests at heart'. This might not always be the case. I think it is undisputed that Pardew is the best man for the job, but I also think in my opinion that having Cortese and everything that comes with him as chairman (debt free, liebherr money etc) is also more important than having Pardew as manager, look at the leaps and bounds the club has made in a year.

 

I believe that all is not well between the two, but surely this should inspire Pardew to create results that make him unsackable. Pressure can be positive.

 

I think you would agree with me as well, in noting key differences between the current club owners/leaders and the Wilde administration? None less so, than financial investment.

 

Please ignore the response from some posters, and continue to share any 'well-informed' rumours with us anyway. I for one, see that as one of the main reasons for contributing to a forum. If we only had firm facts and statistics then this would be the OS would it not?

 

Some good points in there.

 

Agree that NC is essential and central to our progress with everything he has brought to the club.AP is probably as good a manager as we could have attracted twelve months ago and there are not many, if any, I would want instead.

Like you though, my gut instinct is that all is not well and I am anticipating a bit of a rocky road ahead.

Edited 1 August, 2010 by Badger

[CitySaint]

Some good points in there.

 

Agree that NC is essential and central to our progress with everything he has brought to the club.AP is probably as good a manager as we could have attracted twelve months ago

 

Agreed.

[shurlock]

Some good points in there.

 

Agree that NC is essential and central to our progress with everything he has brought to the club.AP is probably as good a manager as we could have attracted twelve months ago and there are not many, if any, I would want instead.

Like you though, my gut instinct is that all is not well and I am anticipating a bit of a rocky road ahead.

 

Are you saying we could attract better now, 12 months on?

[CitySaint]

Are you saying we could attract better now, 12 months on?

 

Purely hypothetically .... We probably 'could' as the footballing world will have seen the progress the club has made, seeing there is a transfer budget and one eye on the direction of the club and it's future. Should we be looking to ... definitely not.

 

I hope we don't have to find out the answer to this question.

[Badger]

Are you saying we could attract better now, 12 months on?

 

No, I'm not saying that.

[up and away]

Seems many have interpreted from FF's snippet that it is Cortese who will get rid of Pardew. Another interpretation could be that Pardew will walk into another job rather than continue his association with Cortese. I suspect the "source" may mean this as I heard similar at the end of last season. Opinion was that if a Championship club came in for Pardew he would likely be off without much thought. Likewise Cortese was not likely to stand in his way.

 

Word on the street also is that Saints are trying to get Antonio but are not prepared to pay what Reading want for him at present.

 

You would really have to be delirious to interpret "AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing" as any other way as Cortese getting shot of him. Then the logic behind Pardew deciding this would be the ideal time to strike out for a better position, that alone should be sufficient to disuade you. If Pardew even asked to be considered for another position, Cortese would get rid of him like a shot, his goose would be cooked from that point onwards.

 

Pardew has little chance to get the opportunity given to him at Saints. Show me any manager in the CCC who does not feel he can take his club into the Premier and I have little doubt they would see Saints as a better opportunity. Even managers such as Billy Davis could well see Saints as a better prospect of Premiership football, if Forest were mid table by christmas. Not only getting to the Premier, but the resources to stay there.

[beatlesaint]

Apparently reading want upwards of £1m, which is madness for a player they were just going to cast-aside 8 months ago.

 

If thats true then someone at Reading has clearly lost the plot.

They wont get a penny for him in 10 months time when his contract expires.

Over a million for someone they dont consider a regular......amazing......no wonder we havent signed him.

[NickG]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

 

find this line strange, "won't make it" implies he will be sacked. "no matter how we are doing" implies that if we make it to Christmas with 100% record, Cortesse will sack him???

[SuperMikey]

Good about Waigo, he adds something different to the team and looked like he was really enjoying himself out there last season (when he wasn't offside!).

Not worried about AP's future here this season, as I have confidence in his ability to guide us to where we deserve to be. We will be in and around automatic promotion (at least) by Christmas, and that's where we'll stay.

As long as we go up this season, I think AP's future here is safe, and I hope he's manager here for many years to come.

[Alain Perrin]

If thats true then someone at Reading has clearly lost the plot.

They wont get a penny for him in 10 months time when his contract expires.

Over a million for someone they dont consider a regular......amazing......no wonder we havent signed him.

 

If someone wants your pies you can price them accordingly.

[Thedelldays]

It's amazing how those people who claim to love the club dearest of all are the first to publish unsettling rumours. People are more interested in self-promotion than Saints on this board these days.

 

agree with this

[ottery st mary]

Good about Waigo, he adds something different to the team and looked like he was really enjoying himself out there last season (when he wasn't offside!).

Not worried about AP's future here this season, as I have confidence in his ability to guide us to where we deserve to be. We will be in and around automatic promotion (at least) by Christmas, and that's where we'll stay.

As long as we go up this season, I think AP's future here is safe, and I hope he's manager here for many years to come.

 

 

Go SuperMikey....COYWs with the red sash..

 

 

I think I heard the same gossip as Duncan......My own translation of the silly old sods known as the axe grinders was....

 

Mr Cortese wants... SFC to be winning everything by 2014 or you luvverly Alan.... will be on yer way son..

 

Until then Pards keep up the good work.......The silly old sods are at every club....We just have more than our fair share sat around the lounges and the freeby box.

 

 

Go the mighty Saints..

[Singeon Sears]

At some point you have to sit back and entrust the management of the club to make the right decisions. I appreciate it’s not easy given the last 20 years or so, but most of us can surely see that the club is in the best hands we could possibly have hoped for.

 

I know a lot of Saints fans, none of whom are trusted sources or within the club, they are merely fans and they are nothing less than thrilled with the direction we are going in.

[Thedelldays]

if cortese is the all knowing and seeing at SMS

 

how can anyone have any rumours whilst NC is away on holiday..?

[Frank's cousin]

I am not really sure why we seem so keen on gossip and rumours of 'splits, spats and disharmony'... It could well be true that Cortese has presented AP with a high target and that he is aware that teh axe may fall sharply and quickly if we struggle... but why does this mean we need to assume its all bad blood? It could be the opposite, with both acknowledging and respecting the extremely high expectations we have at teh club - and lets be honest so do us fans expecting automatic promotion this season - so we cant exactly accuse Cortese of anything on that front - and teh one person who is in a position to ensure we get there is the manager - who for my money has shown balls in taking a job in which teh pressure was always going to be extreme, given the ambition of the owner and the the CEO.

 

FF, I respect your opinion Duncs and enjoy your company and a decent bloke you are too, but I also know that you do struggle with the idea of clubs being run in this way - 'a harsh business first and often at odds with the common fan' approach. I am more pragmatic, in that if it works, all well and good, if not try something different. ML and NC want rapid success, an ambition that should sit well with fans, yet for some reason, there are many who who already seem to dislike them... not sure I really get this. AP is a good manager and from I have seen a decent bloke who came into this with his eyes open. He knows teh score and what is expected. He also will know that if he achieves success he will be rewared either at Saints or by other 'bigger' clubs comming in for him, so no losers really.

[corsacar saint]

The interpretation by Weston Saint[May be the right one][i have no inside knowledge].However for some on here who claim to care more about

the club than Duncan,I do not think most of them come even close to his passion for the club.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

A simple point: if Cortese has in fact already decided that he is going to sack Pardew by Xmas, regardless of the team's results and position ... then he is an unmitigated and totally clueless, idiot. Which, without knowing anything about him beyond what is publicly known of his career so far, I just do not believe he is.

 

Why do I say this? Because if Cortese really wants Pardew out and has decided to sack him, Pardew would be out and sacked now! A new manager would be in place, making the player decisions (both signing and releasing), preparing the team for the new season. To let Pardew shape the squad, prepare the squad, manage the first (and very important) part of the season when you don't believe in him and have decided to sack him would be more than foolishness or idiocy: it would be downright lunacy!

 

What an utterly absurd rumour. In your place, FF, I would have told the informant in question to his (her?) face that (s)he was full of sh*t!

 

One day when this is all over remind me to tell you who the informant is.

[saintkiptanui]

Afew more coals Dunc, sweet.

[Dellman]

If so passionate for the club, why stir the brown stuff when the Club is rising from the dead and giving a lot of pleasure after years of gloom?

[Thedelldays]

One day when this is all over remind me to tell you who the informant is.

 

just tell us now then...clearly you are being a mouthpiece for somoene else...quite frankly, I am amazed if many saints fans are not tired of this crap...for once..wouldnt it be good to see a little bit of our era without needing to know when the chairman (who ever it is) takes a crap?

[ottery st mary]

Personally I would tell Lawrie Mac...

 

Thank you very much for what you done....

 

but leave well alone and support the team and the club....

 

 

 

Silly old sod..

 

 

Me that is..

 

Up the Saints...........Come on Pards..

[Thedelldays]

also, I have noticed that the main players in those not being happy are those who used to like to think they were more than the average fan...fanzine/article writers, website owners and the like..

[Badger]

Personally I would tell Lawrie Mac...

 

Thank you very much for what you done....

 

but leave well alone and support the team and the club....

 

 

 

Silly old sod..

 

 

Me that is..

 

Up the Saints...........Come on Pards..

 

I doubt that LM is in the know, as he is not in NC's inner cabinet is he ?

 

Furthermore,I doubt FF would post rumours from that source.

[Block 5]

There seems to be a certain amount of posturing in this thread and it looks like some posters are dividing along lines of allegiance.

 

I have said it before and I'll say it again......

The last 10 years or so have done untold damage to us as a fanbase.

We have become conditioned to a state of fractiousness over those years and it looks like that isn't going to change any time soon.

What a shame.

 

I guess old habits die hard!

[MarkSFC]

What is totally at odds with the "rumour" about AP being gone by Xmas regardless of results is simply the rationale behind such a decision.

It is totally out of synch with every other HR decision NC has made so far.

 

If this really is the case then why wait that long? Why risk promotion?

 

He should have replaced AP already or needs to wait until next summer.

 

If by the winter transfer window we do somehow find ourselves languishing either outside the top 6 or more than about 12 points from automatic promotion then it could easily be justified to sack AP.

 

Someone of Corteses experience in making decisions will surely not be in the mindset of changing the manager in 5 months.....it makes no sense at all to me.

[manji]

The interpretation by Weston Saint[May be the right one][i have no inside knowledge].However for some on here who claim to care more about

the club than Duncan,I do not think most of them come even close to his passion for the club.

 

"passion for the club" in the way he would like it to be parochial , amateurish , low ambition , cosy , fan-pandering and of course providing jobs for the boys !

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Apparently reading want upwards of £1m, which is madness for a player they were just going to cast-aside 8 months ago.

 

Do the deal .

 

If he continues to progress at the current rate then he could easily be worth 3 or 4 times that amount (if not more) in a few years time .

[dune]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

 

I've thought this for a while. He's another Sturrock imo.

[mikee]

I still hear quite a bit from the "old guard" but like I say do not take them seriously.

This source is not old school nor does he/she have an axe to grind - one of the reasons I am concerned enough to post it on here.

 

I know that you believe this but surely no-one without an axe to grind would say that in the first place. These comments can only be seen as devisive and the originator must be fully aware of this and at least be looking to cause some kind of mischief.

 

I really hope that you are not being used to further someone's anti cortese agenda.

[Charlie Wayman]

The rumour about AP is partly a no-brainer and partly rubbish. No-brainer because if we are not top by December it's obvious to all he'll be ousted; rubbish because a man of AP's calibre could still get a job in the top flight so if he was under sort of pressure from above now he'd be long gone.

 

He needs a Third Division team like a hole in the head, it's us who need him. NC is no fool he realised it was a coup to grab AP

[lordswoodsaints]

Managers come and go,at any one time there are approximately 90 managers out of work who have managed in the top 4 English leagues so finding a new one won't be too difficult.

Changing a manager doesn't fill me with fear like it does some people but the timing of the change does.

If this is true then it will just be another bizarre twist in an already twisted football club.

 

As I've said previously,the pressure this season will be too much for some to handle......perhaps the pressure has already got into the red without even a ball being kicked in anger.

[Windmill Arm 2]

What a load of old bollix. I fukkin despair at some of our so called fans I really do. Never happy.

[ottery st mary]

I doubt that LM is in the know, as he is not in NC's inner cabinet is he ?

 

Furthermore,I doubt FF would post rumours from that source.

 

 

Another one of my wild thoughts on a lot of twaddle.....But I would hazard a guess that Big Mac has the ear of a few axe grinders ....

[Rory]

As I've said previously,the pressure this season will be too much for some to handle......perhaps the pressure has already got into the red without even a ball being kicked in anger.

 

It really hasn't. It's this forum. It's an absolute disgrace and some of the people who post on here are as absurd as those who regard conspiracy theories as gospel. The season hasn't even started yet but still this forum manages to spawn the same vitriolic rubbish that tarnishes all Saints fans. Only a small selection of the fanbase posts on this message board but I simply cannot stand the majority of them. From the pseudo-c*ckney morons that think they're part of some firm to those who constantly scrutinise every tiny detail to make it into a huge issue (i.e that post about interviews on the official site being "pro-Cortese"). It's ludicrous. I keep reading "the club is rotten to the core" - it's not the club, it's its crazy fanbase.

 

This forum used to be a laugh and you could get into some pretty good debates but not anymore. Not even when we're on the cusp of actually achieving something and having an owner and chairman most clubs in the country would be proud of.

[Ponty]

It really hasn't. It's this forum. It's an absolute disgrace and some of the people who post on here are as absurd as those who regard conspiracy theories as gospel. The season hasn't even started yet but still this forum manages to spawn the same vitriolic rubbish that tarnishes all Saints fans. Only a small selection of the fanbase posts on this message board but I simply cannot stand the majority of them. From the pseudo-c*ckney morons that think they're part of some firm to those who constantly scrutinise every tiny detail to make it into a huge issue (i.e that post about interviews on the official site being "pro-Cortese"). It's ludicrous. I keep reading "the club is rotten to the core" - it's not the club, it's its crazy fanbase.

 

This forum used to be a laugh and you could get into some pretty good debates but not anymore. Not even when we're on the cusp of actually achieving something and having an owner and chairman most clubs in the country would be proud of.

 

This is how I see it too. No one (off forum) that I speak to has any of the fears associated with the bile that gets spewed on here.

[Saint Charlie]

It really hasn't. It's this forum. It's an absolute disgrace and some of the people who post on here are as absurd as those who regard conspiracy theories as gospel. The season hasn't even started yet but still this forum manages to spawn the same vitriolic rubbish that tarnishes all Saints fans. Only a small selection of the fanbase posts on this message board but I simply cannot stand the majority of them. From the pseudo-c*ckney morons that think they're part of some firm to those who constantly scrutinise every tiny detail to make it into a huge issue (i.e that post about interviews on the official site being "pro-Cortese"). It's ludicrous. I keep reading "the club is rotten to the core" - it's not the club, it's its crazy fanbase.

 

This forum used to be a laugh and you could get into some pretty good debates but not anymore. Not even when we're on the cusp of actually achieving something and having an owner and chairman most clubs in the country would be proud of.

 

So true.

[Thedelldays]

It really hasn't. It's this forum. It's an absolute disgrace and some of the people who post on here are as absurd as those who regard conspiracy theories as gospel. The season hasn't even started yet but still this forum manages to spawn the same vitriolic rubbish that tarnishes all Saints fans. Only a small selection of the fanbase posts on this message board but I simply cannot stand the majority of them. From the pseudo-c*ckney morons that think they're part of some firm to those who constantly scrutinise every tiny detail to make it into a huge issue (i.e that post about interviews on the official site being "pro-Cortese"). It's ludicrous. I keep reading "the club is rotten to the core" - it's not the club, it's its crazy fanbase.

 

This forum used to be a laugh and you could get into some pretty good debates but not anymore. Not even when we're on the cusp of actually achieving something and having an owner and chairman most clubs in the country would be proud of.

a-bloody-men

 

sad that this forum has degenerated into this

[Thedelldays]

This is how I see it too. No one (off forum) that I speak to has any of the fears associated with the bile that gets spewed on here.

 

moderate it better then

[georgeweahscousin]

Some people need to stop spreading rumours and get behind the team. Remember the last day of the season. Loads of rumours all unfounded.

 

I swear it seems like some people on these forums actually want us to fail.