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Fitzhugh Fella

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Gingeletiss

Gingeletiss

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OMFG do we have to repeat the same thing over and over? Is it not possible to be thankful to Markus for buying us yet criticise Cortese if you believe he has done something wrong? Is he above criticism?

 

Yes you are one of those, of whom I spoke off. ML owns the Saints, NC manages it, and has done a good job to date. You and various others, are basing your campaign of 'NC out' on the basis of gossip. Come back with facts, hard facts at that, and I may conceed a point to you.

 

No-one is above criticism, but for what are you being critical? Gossip?

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Yes you are one of those, of whom I spoke off. ML owns the Saints, NC manages it, and has done a good job to date. You and various others, are basing your campaign of 'NC out' on the basis of gossip. Come back with facts, hard facts at that, and I may conceed a point to you.

 

No-one is above criticism, but for what are you being critical? Gossip?

 

No. I put this to you.

 

People like yourself are jealous you are not in the loop. You do not know where I get my information from, where Hypo gets his from or where FF gets his from, or anyones infact.

 

Even if anyone was to name names and sources, the blind faithful here still wouldn't believe it. The installment plan is a great example. I went away and got conclusive PROOF , first hand, that the administration costs of a plan were minimal, contrary to what the club told me.

 

I was told that the club wouldn't lie and have had 2 months of people making excuses for the club, even though I am the only one on this forum that has put the effort in to find out FACTS regarding the costs etc.

 

So, what I am trying to say, it wouldn't matter if people name their sources etc... you lot still wouldn't believe it, so all there is to do is to sit and wait for the fallout and only then might you realise that some people on this forum DO have access to the inner-circles of the club ( not saying I do by the way ) and respect what they post.

 

FF is most definately well connected and he doesn't post things unless he believes them to be factual, and I don't think he would post anything as FACT! anyway, as Mr Cortese will have a solicitors letter on his doorstep before he can say " holy BA strikes "

John B

John B

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Yes you are one of those, of whom I spoke off. ML owns the Saints, NC manages it, and has done a good job to date. You and various others, are basing your campaign of 'NC out' on the basis of gossip. Come back with facts, hard facts at that, and I may conceed a point to you.

 

No-one is above criticism, but for what are you being critical? Gossip?

 

I did not realise posters apart from one in particular are being critical of Cortese on this thread

Saints foreva

Saints foreva

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It isn't really a surprise that Cortese was close to sacking Pardew after last season, which ever way you look at it - We underperformed.

 

I suspect Cortese will sack Pardew if we get off to another poor start or if we're outside the top two come new year by a 10 point + margin. I don't think many could argue if he did sack Pardew for any of these two reasons this season, but if we're flying high and he gets the sack - some serious questions need to be asked about NC and if he should be at the club anymore. Of course this would all blow over if we managed to go up and AP would be forgotten about.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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It isn't really a surprise that Cortese was close to sacking Pardew after last season, which ever way you look at it - We underperformed.

 

No we didn't. If he sacked him last season he would have been correctly labeled a complete berk.

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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It isn't really a surprise that Cortese was close to sacking Pardew after last season, which ever way you look at it - We underperformed.

 

I suspect Cortese will sack Pardew if we get off to another poor start or if we're outside the top two come new year by a 10 point + margin. I don't think many could argue if he did sack Pardew for any of these two reasons this season, but if we're flying high and he gets the sack - some serious questions need to be asked about NC and if he should be at the club anymore. Of course this would all blow over if we managed to go up and AP would be forgotten about.

 

What if Pardew walked out?

 

Would you blame Pardew or Cortese?

dockland Dave

dockland Dave

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OMFG do we have to repeat the same thing over and over? Is it not possible to be thankful to Markus for buying us yet criticise Cortese if you believe he has done something wrong? Is he above criticism?

 

Everyone has the right to express their opinions, and this forum is probably the best place to do it, and a lot of the grievances on this forum towards our chairman are pretty valid.

 

I am quite willing to admit the I am a NC "luvie". The bloke is a always going to be controversial and not going to every ones tastes. He come across as a very single minded, dynamic individual who is probably a bit of a control freak. But I believe, (like the majority of posters on here) the bloke is generally doing a good job and taking our club forward. I think our club is becoming the most dynamic and forward thinking outside of the PL, a huge change from 16 months ago.

 

I do feel that there is a degree of bitterness towards NC on this forum from certain individuals, who under the previous regimes had access to the ear of the club, or whose sources once wielded a degree of power within the club, but have been totally cut of the loop and who now feel slightly impotent.

 

I don't agree with everything NC does, but considering the state of the club just over 12 months ago, find it very difficult to understand some of the vitrol aimed at the bloke.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Yes you are one of those, of whom I spoke off. ML owns the Saints, NC manages it, and has done a good job to date. You and various others, are basing your campaign of 'NC out' on the basis of gossip. Come back with facts, hard facts at that, and I may conceed a point to you.

 

No-one is above criticism, but for what are you being critical? Gossip?

 

I have no NC out campaign. I am simply commenting on the rumours on here (many from the likes of Duncan and Steve Grant who I trust). Some things are rumours from these people and others, some things I know are facts (Nick having his money returned to him with no explanation given, the Echo banned with no explanation given, removal of the installment plan at short notice, programmes being cancelled with no explanation given etc) . There is nothing wrong with expressing concern about a number of decisions taken by the club over the last few months. I shall also be expressing this concern directly to Cortese via the fans forum unless I am stopped from going for some reason.

Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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This is getting almost as bad as the verbiage and posts about Nick H. I think it should stop. AP is our manager and will be until such a time as he loses his credit-rating.

I'll get me coat!

 

Brilliant post Mark, totally agree. No offence to FF but are his "sources" part of the old regime, and what axe do these people have to grind. Cortese appears to keep his own council and the "old school" don't know much more than the rest of us.

 

I still hear quite a bit from the "old guard" but like I say do not take them seriously.

This source is not old school nor does he/she have an axe to grind - one of the reasons I am concerned enough to post it on here.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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No. I put this to you.

 

People like yourself are jealous you are not in the loop. You do not know where I get my information from, where Hypo gets his from or where FF gets his from, or anyones infact.

 

Even if anyone was to name names and sources, the blind faithful here still wouldn't believe it. The installment plan is a great example. I went away and got conclusive PROOF , first hand, that the administration costs of a plan were minimal, contrary to what the club told me.

 

I was told that the club wouldn't lie and have had 2 months of people making excuses for the club, even though I am the only one on this forum that has put the effort in to find out FACTS regarding the costs etc.

 

So, what I am trying to say, it wouldn't matter if people name their sources etc... you lot still wouldn't believe it, so all there is to do is to sit and wait for the fallout and only then might you realise that some people on this forum DO have access to the inner-circles of the club ( not saying I do by the way ) and respect what they post.

 

FF is most definately well connected and he doesn't post things unless he believes them to be factual, and I don't think he would post anything as FACT! anyway, as Mr Cortese will have a solicitors letter on his doorstep before he can say " holy BA strikes "

 

I don't really care if people think I make up my info. I know a lot of posters personally from here and I know the reliability of their info. I will continue to post "rumour" and people can make up their own minds.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Which he was going to do. You won't believe me but he was going to sack him.

 

I was of that belief as well, i called him a nut-job but you had a go at me for it back then....

 

anyway, the jury is still open - his ideas for the club are good and the foundations he is laying are solid, but the general feeling of current employees at the club is that it can be like working in North Korea, if you get what i mean.

Saints foreva

Saints foreva

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What if Pardew walked out?

 

Would you blame Pardew or Cortese?

 

Well from rumours on this board it would have to be Cortese, but still we won't know the whole story about Pardew and Cortese.

 

I don't think Pardew will walk though.

RobM

RobM

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Anybody who posts rumours and comments like this does so knowing that they will look stupid if they are utterly false. Not so much of a problem for a newbie who nobody knows, but we all know FF. And many, including FF I believe (forgive me if I'm wrong), have been bitten in the past by people feeding them false information to suit their own agenda. This makes you really think twice before believing people and making such comments again.

 

You learn over time who is connected, credible and safe to believe. You can spot a mile off those that just want the attention or people to praise them. FF falls into the first category, in my opinion.

 

But some people don't ever like hearing negative comments about the club, so will rubbish people regardless of who they are. Others just like arguing.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I was of that belief as well, i called him a nut-job but you had a go at me for it back then....

 

anyway, the jury is still open - his ideas for the club are good and the foundations he is laying are solid, but the general feeling of current employees at the club is that it can be like working in North Korea, if you get what i mean.

 

I may well have done and I hold my hands up. People are allowed to change their minds though. What I have heard from a number of sources is building a not very fantastic picture of Cortese. I don't want him to leave, but I would like him to be receptive to change.

saintkiptanui

saintkiptanui

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What a bunch of sad tossers you lot are, give it up, stueeey you have turned into the biggest gammy eyed gimp the world has ever known, the new Illingsworth, just get p*ssed and enjoy the football. Up Cortese and up the saints.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Anybody who posts rumours and comments like this does so knowing that they will look stupid if they are utterly false. Not so much of a problem for a newbie who nobody knows, but we all know FF. And many, including FF I believe (forgive me if I'm wrong), have been bitten in the past by people feeding them false information to suit their own agenda. This makes you really think twice before believing people and making such comments again.

 

You learn over time who is connected, credible and safe to believe. You can spot a mile off those that just want the attention or people to praise them. FF falls into the first category, in my opinion.

 

But some people don't ever like hearing negative comments about the club, so will rubbish people regardless of who they are. Others just like arguing.

 

Do you not think that the fact that Steve Grant's comments have lent credibility to some of these "rumours" over the past few months? Or is he just posting for attention? (lol)

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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What a bunch of sad tossers you lot are, give it up, stueeey you have turned into the biggest gammy eyed gimp the world has ever known, the new Illingsworth, just get p*ssed and enjoy the football. Up Cortese and up the saints.

 

Will you buy me a pint and say sorry when I am proven right? xx

John B

John B

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but I would like him to be receptive to change.

 

Is that Likely

 

By the way does anybody know whether ML works in a similar way to NC

RobM

RobM

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Do you not think that the fact that Steve Grant's comments have lent credibility to some of these "rumours" over the past few months? Or is he just posting for attention? (lol)

 

Of course, SG is somebody well known to this forum so people listen. But like I said, you do learn who is genuinely connected and IMO, internet superstars don't often fall into that category.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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I may well have done and I hold my hands up. People are allowed to change their minds though. What I have heard from a number of sources is building a not very fantastic picture of Cortese. I don't want him to leave, but I would like him to be receptive to change.

 

Yep, no problem with people changing their minds. There are some things i think as a supporter base we have to accept, as they're trying to accelerate our growth and success - things will change, and we all know that people hate drastic changes! If they're going about it the right way is another question though.

 

I don't have sources as such, i just know a few employees that are still at the club and they tell me it's not the nicest of places to work, the ''behind the scenes'' videos are all a bit odd too - it's like they're all forced to read off a script saying how well Cortese has done.

 

I also knew of people that were ruthlessly got rid of a year or so ago, but i won't post that on here as I'm aware Nicola probably searches the forum, he strikes me as the sort of guy that wouldn't worry about getting it shut down if he reads something he doesn't like...

 

but at the end of the day i just want to focus on the fottie, i like the team we have and cannot wait for Saturday, i hope we have a fantastic start and push all these stories to the back burner.

Pilchards

Pilchards

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Remember the days when we had some real clowns fighting for the control of the club because they thought it could be done better.

I hate those days and I'm so glad we have a real professional running the club now.

What's even more funny is this professional is laughing at them because he is showing how it's really done.

Maybe that's why we have the clowns brigade spreading the rumours to give him alittle hiccup on the way to getting the club back to the Premiership where it was before the boardroom battle began.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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Of course, SG is somebody well known to this forum so people listen. But like I said, you do learn who is genuinely connected and IMO, internet superstars don't often fall into that category.

 

But clearly people are not listening. In fact, people post these rumours and they get abused. Matthew Le God has been on Steve's case for ages.

View From The Top

View From The Top

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No. I put this to you.

 

People like yourself are jealous you are not in the loop.

 

 

Possibly one of the dumbest things you've ever typed and 'kin 'ell, you've typed some s**t.

 

You're just a fat bloke from Romsey with a s**t job who just wants to act Billy Big ******s.

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Possibly one of the dumbest things you've ever typed and 'kin 'ell, you've typed some s**t.

 

You're just a fat bloke from Romsey with a s**t job who just wants to act Billy Big ******s.

 

What job do I do then? Oh... look, you don't know...

 

Gimp from the midlands selling knock-off gear on ebay and you tell ME i've got a sh!t job? :lol:

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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OMFG do we have to repeat the same thing over and over? Is it not possible to be thankful to Markus for buying us yet criticise Cortese if you believe he has done something wrong? Is he above criticism?

 

I have to agree. I am not convinced that Cortese has the experience to run a club like ours successfully, notwithstanding his part in bringing Markus to the club and convincing him to buy us.

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CitySaint

CitySaint

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This forum is really being undermined, not by some decent (rumoured) information but by the personal agenda of 4 of 5 posters, who can never muster a shred of positivity over anything. Personal attacks and mud slinging over the internet is really quite embarrassing. I don't get the Cortese haters at all, I really can't see the fuss and if people are not interested in rumours, ignore them or just treat them for what they are. Everything is going to be just fine, wait and see.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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This forum is really being undermined, not by some decent (rumoured) information but by the personal agenda of 4 of 5 posters, who can never muster a shred of positivity over anything. Personal attacks and mud slinging over the internet is really quite embarrassing. I don't get the Cortese haters at all, I really can't see the fuss and if people are not interested in rumours, ignore them or just treat them for what they are. Everything is going to be just fine, wait and see.

 

I hope you aren't including me in that. I comment on a range of topics on this forum and have done for years, both positive and negative.

saintkiptanui

saintkiptanui

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This forum is really being undermined, not by some decent (rumoured) information but by the personal agenda of 4 of 5 posters, who can never muster a shred of positivity over anything. Personal attacks and mud slinging over the internet is really quite embarrassing. I don't get the Cortese haters at all, I really can't see the fuss and if people are not interested in rumours, ignore them or just treat them for what they are. Everything is going to be just fine, wait and see.
Now close the thread, well said.
Winchester Exile

Winchester Exile

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No all are responsible for these unsettling and frankly stupid rumours, those that start them and those that perpetuate them .... including Duncan. Besides if we are at the top and playing brilliantly there is no way NC will get rid of AP. Shame on all you rumour mongers.

JustMike

JustMike

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cant wait for next saturday, then we can all go back to moaning about football.

 

So what if NC is roughing a few feathers, for far too long certain people in and around saints have had it easy, now a no nonsense guy comes in and does it his way and puts a few noses out of joint, so what? Short memories people have, wasnt that long ago we were all crying out for someone like NC.

 

Rumours are just that, rumours. I will judge us by what we do on the pitch, nothing else

CitySaint

CitySaint

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cant wait for next saturday, then we can all go back to moaning about football.

 

So what if NC is roughing a few feathers, for far too long certain people in and around saints have had it easy, now a no nonsense guy comes in and does it his way and puts a few noses out of joint, so what? Short memories people have, wasnt that long ago we were all crying out for someone like NC.

 

Rumours are just that, rumours. I will judge us by what we do on the pitch, nothing else

 

Exactly JustMike, next week is when it matters. I will support NC as long as he has the best interests at heart, which lead to the best playing staff possible representing the club, giving us the best chance of success.

 

I personally believe this to be the case.

Gingeletiss

Gingeletiss

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No. I put this to you.

 

People like yourself are jealous you are not in the loop. You do not know where I get my information from, where Hypo gets his from or where FF gets his from, or anyones infact........

 

There are egos, and then there are egos, but you have just won first prize for the above statement.:rolleyes:

forever a red and white

forever a red and white

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This is getting rather stupid, not even just this thread.

 

If people hear things from the club or people within it, they are well within their rights to pass on the information. Unfortunately, the minority who have a massive agenda against Cortetse seize this a 100% evidence. Yes some stories may be worrying but until anything drastic happens, what can we do? THe guy is a little bit head-storng but he is here to be successful and I have every confidence he can deliver, he also has a big learning curb, this was his first year in football and Rupert couldn't get it right after ten so lets ease off a bit.

 

It is perfectly understandble that peopel are angered by some of his actions, the NI case for example. Personally I am annoyed about the isntallments as will now probably be prevented from going.

 

All saying is this, lets try not to let rumours and stories create factions and unharmony and focus on whats should hopefully be a very enjoyable season, if not with a few stressful moments and remeber to have a little patience. The forum is great for a discussion, but I personally cannot wait for next week, where hopefully the football and three points will be all there is to discuss.

Fitzhugh Fella

Fitzhugh Fella

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Exactly JustMike, next week is when it matters. I will support NC as long as he has the best interests at heart, which lead to the best playing staff possible representing the club, giving us the best chance of success.

 

I personally believe this to be the case.

 

A fair point.

I think NC definitely wants what is best for Saints, no doubt about it.

However if he does sack AP because "they don't get on" I do think that would be a mistake.

I hope it does not happen but there are quite a few at SMS who think it will...... regardless.

 

I never forget a few months after Wilde's arrival I started hearing all was not well from insiders and ex players. I did not want to believe them because I was so sure Wilde was the saviour but I was wrong and the rumours were correct.

benjii

benjii

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So basically, at some point Pardew will stop being our manager? Wow, what a scoop. Oh, and we might be signing Waigo. Sounds good to me.

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