A few rumours

[hasper57saint]

This is getting almost as bad as the verbiage and posts about Nick H. I think it should stop. AP is our manager and will be until such a time as he loses his credit-rating.

I'll get me coat!

[Bearsy]

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing.

 

Clearly this is not literally true, it's the sort of thing you say about other people's marriages when you know they've been arguing.

[sadoldgit]

If Cortese really does not think that Pardew is the man to take the club forward then he should sack him now, not wait to Christmas. Still, if the rumours are true about the gulf between the manager and the CEO I think it is the CEO who needs to look at himself rather than the manager.

[sadoldgit]

Clearly this is not literally true, it's the sort of thing you say about other people's marriages when you know they've been arguing.

 

No matter how pig headed and stubborn the CEO is, he would find it hard to sack the manager if we were playing well and top of the league. Mind you, we won a cup last season and did well and he still found it hard (nee impossible) to praise Pardew for the job he did so who knows?

[oxfordshire_saint]

To quote Colonel Hans Landa from Inglorious Basterds: "I love rumors! Facts can be so misleading, where rumors, true or false, are often revealing."

[Glasgow_Saint]

more nonsense.......this forum has gone downhill fast! we need football to chat about real soon!!

[hypochondriac]

Papa Waigo's agent at the game yesterday, a deal could be sorted this week

NC been on holiday for 3 weeks, one week to go, flew in especially for game

AP won't make it to Xmas no matter how we are doing

last home game of 09-10 NC told pre-match pitch announcer on no account praise AP

 

Don't shoot the messenger - just passing on what was doing the rounds upstairs. All good sources.

 

Surprised you have made this public Duncan. Expect to be slated.

[MarkSFC]

"The rumours doing the rounds upstairs are from good sources". Says it all for me....I suspect the good sources are individuals who used to have some input to the running of the club or corporate partners or friend of. These people by nature will likely miss the previous environment of a split board room, financial posturing and being part of the in crowd. I guess this has disappeared for all as Cortese runs his ship his way with one or two confidants (who actually remain so).

 

Giving all the sh** stirring that went on over the last decade I would guess these people are still in andaround the "upstairs" but now are just normal customers. Egos bruised, out comes the propaganda.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

 

lol@ The Cortese Army jumping to their leaders defence again, it's quite sweet really.

[hypochondriac]

doubt its accuracy.

 

Predictable.

[Iowsaintsfan]

on a slightly different topic my girlfriend spoke to Bart yesterday and asked him when hes going to be sorting his contract and is he staying? "its being sorted atm, ill be staying" was his response - Good news

[Bearsy]

on a slightly different topic my girlfriend spoke to Bart yesterday and asked him when hes going to be sorting his contract and is he staying? "its being sorted atm, ill be staying" was his response - Good news

 

Pillow talk?

[shurlock]

Surprised you have made this public Duncan. Expect to be slated.

 

what with the insinuation "the truth hurts"? (its easy this speculation game). of course, there's a lazy, implicit assumption that those who are most riled by the sh*t-stirring are also blind NC lovers who think think installment plans are a rubbish idea and that NI should be banned etc.

 

rather than just people who think that the larger the rumour, the greater the responsibility and that those who cannot support their statements with evidence or plausible reasons should put up or shut up and stop destabilising preparations ahead of what is a massive f**king season.

[Pilchards]

Pillow talk?

 

hee hee

[shurlock]

 

lol@ The Cortese Army jumping to their leaders defence again, it's quite sweet really.

 

and predictably, the fairy at top-of-the-tree makes that connection!

 

what you must be a blind Cortese apologist to think that unsubstantiated rumours are unhelpful...

 

so by your flawless logic you think unsubstantiated rumours are for the good of the club?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

and predictably, the fairy at top-of-the-tree makes that connection!

 

what you must be a blind Cortese apologist to think that unsubstantiated rumours are unhelpful...

 

It's an internet forum. Forums are for discussion, debate and speculation.

 

If you can't deal with that, don't post on here.

 

The number of people who have the full picture of what Cortese is like is growing day by day. There will come a time when it all comes out. I do hope that yourself and many others are man enough to put your hands up and say " yeah, you were right, sorry " when it does happen.

[crouchi]

shoot the messenger!

[AussieDog]

It's an internet forum. Forums are for discussion, debate and speculation.

 

If you can't deal with that, don't post on here.

 

The number of people who have the full picture of what Cortese is like is growing day by day. There will come a time when it all comes out. I do hope that yourself and many others are man enough to put your hands up and say " yeah, you were right, sorry " when it does happen.

 

I don't think there is ONE person on this forum who has the "full picture" of what Cortese is like.

 

There are a few who want to do their own mathematics on the subject (1+1=3?).

 

I prefer to deal in facts.

 

The only facts I actually know are that 13 months ago my club was going out of business, 4 months ago my team won a trophy for the first time in 34 years, and this season, for the first time in my memory, we are one of the favourites with the bookies to win something.

 

I'm happy to cut the guy a bit of slack, even though some of the decisions that have come out in the past few months have appeared a bit bizarre.

[beatlesaint]

So if we are top by Christmas and everything is going our way with Cortese's five year premiership plan on track he is going to jepordise that and sack the manager is he ?

 

ok.........................

[Saint_lambden]

Now, now. Don't shoot the messenger, remember? It says that clearly in the first post. Blame the originator of the destabilising rumours, not the poor guy who just passes them on to a wider audience.

 

exactly what I get slated for on the transfer rumour thread, people posting the info on here aren't neccessairly the ones who get it in the first place.

[MarkSFC]

The number of people who have the full picture of what Cortese is like is growing day by day. There will come a time when it all comes out. I do hope that yourself and many others are man enough to put your hands up and say " yeah, you were right, sorry " when it does happen.

 

so who are these people?

how do you know?

what is Cortese like?

have you actually met him or worked with him?

what is the full picture?

Why are you anti-cortese?

[sadoldgit]

If Cortese was backed into a corner over keeping Pardew against his better wishes then I wouldn't be surprised to see him sack the manager the minute he gets a good excuse. Hopefully none of this is true. We have had too many problems with people pulling in different directions and if we are going to get promoted everyone needs to be pulling togther.

 

I still can't work out what Pardew has done that seems to rankle with Cortese so much, but rumours or no, it really doesn't look like the CEO backs his manager 100% does it?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

But would he have passed on a positive Cortese/Pardew rumour ?

 

Why shouldn't he?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

so who are these people? People like myself, FF, Steve Grant, Hypo, Daren W, Nick I etc... all whom seem to have some contacts/idea of what life is really like inside SFC

how do you know? I am not going to divulge sources or compromise anyones position.

what is Cortese like? The power and ego he has developed from running a football club has turned him into a nasty, egotistic, power crazy, arrogant tosser ( in my opinion )

have you actually met him or worked with him? No, I know people who have though.

what is the full picture? That SFC is his ball and he won't allow anyone else to play. Communication will get worse and prices will go through the roof.

Why are you anti-cortese? Because I have access to information on him, not just that but I have been lied to by him myself regarding installment plans etc, so I have personal experience of what he is like. The rumours/facts going around SMS are worrying to say the least.

 

Not going into it again, I am off out now, all I was saying is that I hope when the stories start coming out, that people on this forum are man enough to apologise to the people that have given an insight, and if they won't apologise, at least admit they were wrong.

[shurlock]

It's an internet forum. Forums are for discussion, debate and speculation.

 

If you can't deal with that, don't post on here.

 

The number of people who have the full picture of what Cortese is like is growing day by day. There will come a time when it all comes out. I do hope that yourself and many others are man enough to put your hands up and say " yeah, you were right, sorry " when it does happen.

 

So its the full picture - would be interested to know what that is given the forum's main currency (by your own admission) is speculation and rumour...

 

Ultimately I'm less interested in NC and the person than what happens to the club (like you no doubt). there is space for legitimate difference in terms of how the club gets to where it wants to go and what counts as success (e.g. whether league titles and silverware at the expense of the traditional fanbase counts as success), so it wont always be easy claim that you're right and the next man's wrong; not to mention the fact that alot of people who agree with NC's basic vision will judge him on case-by-case basis and so inevitably have issue with particular decisions (thus if true getting rid of AP at XMAS regardless of the league position is f*cking ridiculous); but yeh sure if the basic vision backfires, I'lll hold up my hands. And vice-versa you'll no doubt do the same.

[aintforever]

and predictably, the fairy at top-of-the-tree makes that connection!

 

what you must be a blind Cortese apologist to think that unsubstantiated rumours are unhelpful...

 

so by your flawless logic you think unsubstantiated rumours are for the good of the club?

 

If there is no truth in the rumours, it will make no difference to anyone if they are posted on an internet message board.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

all this **** stirring about cortese should stop now!

how ungratefull are some people everything good at this club has been put in place by cortese not despite him.

all these rumours are doing is creating a divide like we used to have in the lowe years

the future at this club is the brightest i can ever remember it, all thanks to cortese and liebherr

lets not the rock the boat i doubt we would get as good a chairman as cortese again !

 

NC, via ML, has taken control of Saints, he 'owns' them. But let's not let him 'own' our minds!

 

Yes he has done well by us, that does not make him perfect, let alone 'nice to work with' and the fact is that many a succesful businessman comes from that same mould.

 

Should NC want rid of AP then he will do it despite the caterwauling that may occurr on here and other forums.

 

All we can do is keep supporting our club, while keeping an eye on reality.

 

StuBensonSaint takes a bit of a ragging at times for his methods but he's watching things carefully!

[buctootim]

NC, via ML, has taken control of Saints, he 'owns' them. But let's not let him 'own' our minds! Agree

 

Yes he has done well by us, that does not make him perfect, let alone 'nice to work with' and the fact is that many a succesful businessman comes from that same mould. Agree

 

Should NC want rid of AP then he will do it despite the caterwauling that may occurr on here and other forums. Agree

 

All we can do is keep supporting our club, while keeping an eye on reality. Agree

 

StuBensonSaint takes a bit of a ragging at times for his methods but he's watching things carefully! SBS is an attention seeking, bandwagon jumping spambot without the capacity for balanced thought or opinion

... Edited 1 August, 2010 by buctootim

[Saint Fan CaM]

Doubt the accuracy of the OP to be honest. I cannot see AP going if we're doing well - no way. There are a number of people who loved being 'friends' of the old regime and don't like being on the outside now. Sour grapes talk IMHO although there might be some mileage in the Waigo rumour.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

SBS is just a bandwagon jumping spambot without any capacity for balanced opion or thought.

 

Maybe so but only time will tell, I do hope the rumours are just that.

 

Meanwhile, we have a team to support!

[shurlock]

If there is no truth in the rumours, it will make no difference to anyone if they are posted on an internet message board.

 

Rumour doesnt need to be true for it to spread - just need enough people with an incentive and interest in spreading it (and there are plenty of people with an axe to grind) and enough receptive people (and saints fans are a jittery bunch with a tendency to think the worst after the last few years) and before you know it you have an uncertain, divided and distracted fanbase.

[buctootim]

Maybe so but only time will tell, I do hope the rumours are just that.

 

Meanwhile, we have a team to support!

Agree!

[aintforever]

Rumour doesnt need to be true for it to spread - just need enough people with an incentive and interest in spreading it (and there are plenty of people with an axe to grind) and enough receptive people (and saints fans are a jittery bunch with a tendency to think the worst after the last few years) and before you know it you have an uncertain, divided and distracted fanbase.

 

I'm sorry but that is nonsense. There is always rumours surrounding every football club. If Cortese is 100% behind Pardew they won't make the slightest difference.

[MarkSFC]

so who are these people? People like myself, FF, Steve Grant, Hypo, Daren W, Nick I etc... all whom seem to have some contacts/idea of what life is really like inside SFCso the people "who know the full picture" SEEM to have some idea from contacts. Not first hand....

how do you know? I am not going to divulge sources or compromise anyones position.of course not. Memeber of Staff or Management?

what is Cortese like? The power and ego he has developed from running a football club has turned him into a nasty, egotistic, power crazy, arrogant tosser ( in my opinion )

have you actually met him or worked with him? No, I know people who have though.your opinion is based on second or third hand information andor from the media or from rumours etc etc. Do you form opinions of everyone based on those lines?

what is the full picture? That SFC is his ball and he won't allow anyone else to play. Communication will get worse and prices will go through the roof.

Why are you anti-cortese? Because I have access to information on him, not just that but I have been lied to by him myself regarding installment plans etc, so I have personal experience of what he is like. The rumours/facts going around SMS are worrying to say the least. You access to what information..not the detail but in what form and what sense? You have been lied to him but you hae never met him...curious how that happens? What are the facts going round and not facts of things that have happened in the public domain? I think you sometimes convince yourself that rumours (that you hear from someone you know) are fact as therefore promote them as such yourself. Thats a dangerous route to take!!

 

It is so easy in this age of communications for someone to unsubstantiatley say something and within minutes half the world has heard it. People then believe it or not and pass it on as fact or as rumour. BUT the more the rumour (or fact) gets said the more people that believe it to be true and so on and so on.

 

I like rumours, particularly about transfers, but when its concerning something like the person who runs my football club I am more concerned with the facts from the horses mouth rather than the rumours/facts from someone who knows someone who knows someone regardless of their status or lists of contacts.

 

Im not blindly loving Cortese but I do think he's done a fantastic job so far. Yes, his/the clubs communication on a couple of things could and should have been better, but at the same time, his instructions could have been delivered incorrectly.....no one apart from the people involved know for 100% what the situation is/was/will be.

 

Im sure he's a tough boss to say the least, possibly ruthless and abrupt, particularly with low level employees. That unfortunately tends to be a fact of life even outside of work...people like people like themselves in the main.

 

Ive said this on other threads, but I am guessing that the so-called complaints about the way Cortese acts towards his employees most likely come from people who weren't / aren't doing their jobs as well as he wants trhem too. Tough.

 

IF "stories" come out I will read them and decide whether or not to believe them based on the source. Until then, Im looking forward to promotion and success for years to come....

[shurlock]

I'm sorry but that is nonsense. There is always rumours surrounding every football club. If Cortese is 100% behind Pardew they won't make the slightest difference.

 

What's clear is that AP is under pressure to perform -can't think of many managers in the game who face as much pressure as AP this season (maybe maldini, warnock, bllackwell, parkinson) - thats a strong basis upon which peoples worst fears can run riot; mix that with all the will-he-or-won't-he-get-the-sack boll*cks last season and NC's uncompromising standards (notwithstanding his subsequent letter of support) and you've got a club ripe for sh*t-stirring.

Edited 1 August, 2010 by shurlock

[Kingsland Red]

I cannot understand who would be within the NC set up and spread rumours.

NC has come in and set up a tight business around his own appointments who one would assume would be loyal to their boss.

What I do know through conversations with several of the high profile personalities from the 'old' club, who clearly dont like their treatment from the new regime, is that they enjoy a little muck stirring.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I hear lots of stuff from reasonably good sources but rarely post because most of it is uncorroborated. Dodgy rumours can be divisive, and contrary to what some would say on here I want promotion as much as the next fan.

However, this time I know my source, the rumour is corroborated by more than one person and I am growing very worried that things are not what they should be in order to meet the bookie's and indeed the fans' expectations. This forum is surely the place to air such concerns?

I am told AP is likely to leave, not neccessarily because NC doesn't rate his managerial ability but it's more a case of they don't get on at all and so, considered opinion has it, that it is just "a matter of time" before there is a parting of the ways.

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong, time will tell.

[hypochondriac]

We know you do Duncan. Rest assured that many appreciate the info.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I hear lots of stuff from reasonably good sources but rarely post because most of it is uncorroborated. Dodgy rumours can be divisive, and contrary to what some would say on here I want promotion as much as the next fan.

However, this time I know my source, the rumour is corroborated by more than one person and I am growing very worried that things are not what they should be in order to meet the bookie's and indeed the fans' expectations. This forum is surely the place to air such concerns?

I am told AP is likely to leave, not neccessarily because NC doesn't rate his managerial ability but it's more a case of they don't get on at all and so, considered opinion has it, that it is just "a matter of time" before there is a parting of the ways.

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong, time will tell.

 

Have heard exactly the same, that Cortese it pushing Pardews patience to the limit and treating him ( and other members of his management team ) like children. Over the next few months there is a real risk that Pardew and some management from the inside will leave.

 

No doubt it won't be Cortese's fault though and there " must be more to the story " etc blah blah blah.

[John B]

I cannot understand who would be within the NC set up and spread rumours.

NC has come in and set up a tight business around his own appointments who one would assume would be loyal to their boss.

What I do know through conversations with several of the high profile personalities from the 'old' club, who clearly dont like their treatment from the new regime, is that they enjoy a little muck stirring.

 

The rumour could of course be coming from people who know Alan Pardew as I said earlier he may find it difficult working with Cortese and maybe looking for a way out.

 

I once worked for a boss who was impossible to deal with so I moved and got another job it is a relatively common occurrence I would have thought

[Mr Saints]

Duncan, any whispers of incoming players before the Plymouth game?

[Saint]

Reading threads like this makes me worry and feel depressed.

[Matthew Le God]

I hear lots of stuff from reasonably good sources but rarely post because most of it is uncorroborated. Dodgy rumours can be divisive, and contrary to what some would say on here I want promotion as much as the next fan.

However, this time I know my source, the rumour is corroborated by more than one person and I am growing very worried that things are not what they should be in order to meet the bookie's and indeed the fans' expectations. This forum is surely the place to air such concerns?

I am told AP is likely to leave, not neccessarily because NC doesn't rate his managerial ability but it's more a case of they don't get on at all and so, considered opinion has it, that it is just "a matter of time" before there is a parting of the ways.

 

I sincerely hope I am wrong, time will tell.

 

You used the phrase "no matter how we are doing".

 

Surely if Saints were 10 points clear at the top at Christmas he wouldn't leave?

 

I can see him being sacked IF automatic promotion isn't looking likely in Nov/Dec. But to say he'll go even if top of the League doesn't make sense.

Edited 1 August, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[S-Clarke]

Reading threads like this makes me worry and feel depressed.

 

and it also makes you realise how quickly we need competitive football to talk about!!!

[Badger]

Last game of the season we had vicious rumours going around the stadium/echo and radio, first game back it all starts again. Why do these people that love to cause trouble shut up for once and move on.

We had a great statement from Cortese in the season break which backed AP all the way and dismissed the stupid stuff being said.

Maybe its time to remind those who love a rumour to shut up and support the club.

 

Sorry to say Pilchards, that I did not read the statement - and the delay in issuing it - to be the overwhelming ringing endorsement that others have seen it as.

 

Yes, it rubbished the rumours , and made a particularly barbed attack on two former Saints who had expressed an opinion but it fell a little short of praising AP and stressing he was the man to take us forward etc.This came after the rumours had circulated and gathered a greater momentum than they deserved. A speedier but perhaps shorter public denial would have culled the issue long before the Echo etc went in pursuit of a quote from anyone with a Saints connection.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

You used the phrase "no matter how we are doing".

 

Surely if Saints we 10 points clear at the top at Christmas he wouldn't leave?

 

I can see him being sacked if automatic promotion isn't looking likely in Nov/Dec. But to say he'll go even if top of the League doesn't make sense.

 

Hmmm. Certainly FF has put a slightly different cant on this now with his clarification. IF the parting of the ways is instigated by AP, even IF we are top at Christmas, may well be that there is a very poor relationship for AP to be doing that.

 

We could all come up with a myriad of scenarios within a few moments of thought.

 

Let's see what Christmas brings. If it happens then we can't do anything about it as we'll not be appealing to NC but more to AP to stay, and from the rumour, he may well have made his mind up.

 

I worked for a boss once who applied loads of pressure and, no matter what I did, my best wasn't good enough. When I put my notice in he sat me down and asked me what salary I wanted. I explained that I was going to a job for less money and that he should look inwardly as to why I was leaving. He never spoke to me from that moment on.

[Gingeletiss]

Same people, same agenda, same lack of facts. What did NC ML do to deserve the Saints, fickle fans doesn't even begin to describe us. Last year we were within hours of ceasing to exsist, now here we are, willing to bite the hand that saved us. FF, I respected you without knowing you, but this last 6 months, has shown you in a different light, not least your dealings regarding BA. Ever since the takeover you have had an agenda againts NC, and now this 'gossip', lets not call it rumour, it's pure and simple gossip, and it appears your buddies on here have fallen for it, hook line and sinker.

 

For what it's worth, whilst not being a 'NC Lovie', which, according to Stu, is anybody who doesn't agree with him, I am willing to give the man a chance, and from what I have seen so far, impresses me with the professional way he has run the club. For those of you who always look for the negatives, well to be honest, I feel sorry for you all.

[dockland Dave]

"The rumours doing the rounds upstairs are from good sources". Says it all for me....I suspect the good sources are individuals who used to have some input to the running of the club or corporate partners or friend of. These people by nature will likely miss the previous environment of a split board room, financial posturing and being part of the in crowd. I guess this has disappeared for all as Cortese runs his ship his way with one or two confidants (who actually remain so).

 

Giving all the sh** stirring that went on over the last decade I would guess these people are still in andaround the "upstairs" but now are just normal customers. Egos bruised, out comes the propaganda.

 

Brilliant post Mark, totally agree. No offence to FF but are his "sources" part of the old regime, and what axe do these people have to grind. Cortese appears to keep his own council and the "old school" don't know much more than the rest of us.

[hypochondriac]

Same people, same agenda, same lack of facts. What did NC ML do to deserve the Saints, fickle fans doesn't even begin to describe us. Last year we were within hours of ceasing to exsist, now here we are, willing to bite the hand that saved us. FF, I respected you without knowing you, but this last 6 months, has shown you in a different light, not least your dealings regarding BA. Ever since the takeover you have had an agenda againts NC, and now this 'gossip', lets not call it rumour, it's pure and simple gossip, and it appears your buddies on here have fallen for it, hook line and sinker.

 

For what it's worth, whilst not being a 'NC Lovie', which, according to Stu, is anybody who doesn't agree with him, I am willing to give the man a chance, and from what I have seen so far, impresses me with the professional way he has run the club. For those of you who always look for the negatives, well to be honest, I feel sorry for you all.

 

OMFG do we have to repeat the same thing over and over? Is it not possible to be thankful to Markus for buying us yet criticise Cortese if you believe he has done something wrong? Is he above criticism?

[Saint_clark]

OMFG do we have to repeat the same thing over and over? Is it not possible to be thankful to Markus for buying us yet criticise Cortese if you believe he has done something wrong? Is he above criticism?

 

Of course he isn't, but criticising him for something that hasn't happened, and is only rumoured to be happening in the future is just plain silly.