A few rumours

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I really love your posts. When I read them I suddenly realise I am such a bumptious twit!

I think I need to move to Devon and drink more cider. I am worried re Saints tonight but you make I laugh Ottery.

O'Neil? Good shout.

Cotterill - politically brilliant.

But my bet is probably someone with a Italian heritage - Zola.

 

Yr handbag is in the post!

 

A few handbags being thrown around here.....

 

I have been wrong many times but I still sort of luv Duncan Holley, derry , weston, up and away and of course my favourite Prof..

 

ITK andBloody knowalls..You axe grinders got your way in the end....Can I join your team?

 

PS Can I have my handbag back its a shiny red patent leather job..

 

PPS MORE IMPORTANTLY WHO DO YOU BIG GIRLZZ BLOUSES WANT AS MANAGER....Might just make it easier for all of us.

[hypochondriac]

Hi Ginge, Not sure why you think me sad? I post something I believe to be true, you rubbish what I say and include a remark about the job I have just been sacked from after 35 years, 4 weeks later I am proved right and I ask you to reconsider what you wrote? Not looking for a row just a tiny bit of redemption. Also let me sing the praises of Hypo a bit. I have had my share of run ins with him over the years but can I say he has the guts to put his hand up and admit when he is wrong. He contibutes massively to this Forum and keeps away from the personal stuff. If this forum lost posters like him it would be a worse place.

 

Thanks Duncan and can I also say that I will take you up on that drink offer at some point this season (am not in Southampton at the moment but I will be at some point.) As you mentioned, I have said things about you in the past but when I found out I was wrong I put my hands up and apologised. It's what I would expect of most decent people. It says a lot about some posters who continue to get personal rather than just admit they were wrong and move on.

[OldNick]

Ginge's original post has to be taken in the context of the time it was posted. At that stage fans were having pops at NC/club and there were many rumours flying around.

Personally no-one is right or wrong on this. Yes FF is correct that AP has been sacked, but we do not know whether it has been planned all along ( i agree that it looked likely) but if another poster is correct that NC and AP had a blazing row saturday regarding a transfer then NC may have deecided at that time only.

Ginge is also a good poster BTW

[hypochondriac]

You know it's going to be Zola Duncan

[hypochondriac]

Ginge's original post has to be taken in the context of the time it was posted. At that stage fans were having pops at NC/club and there were many rumours flying around.

Personally no-one is right or wrong on this. Yes FF is correct that AP has been sacked, but we do not know whether it has been planned all along ( i agree that it looked likely) but if another poster is correct that NC and AP had a blazing row saturday regarding a transfer then NC may have deecided at that time only.

Ginge is also a good poster BTW

 

Fair enough nick. A little bit more respect for all views is all I ask.

[ottery st mary]

I really love your posts. When I read them I suddenly realise I am such a bumptious twit!

I think I need to move to Devon and drink more cider. I am worried re Saints tonight but you make I laugh Ottery.

O'Neil? Good shout.

Cotterill - politically brilliant.

But my bet is probably someone with a Italian heritage - Zola.

 

 

 

 

Yr handbag is in the post!

 

I will always luv you Duncs...

 

To me you are always right...most of the time..

 

Lookout for Paulo Maldini...

[S-Clarke]

Zola would make sense and it would add a few 2+2's together from recent rumors.

 

I think the manager we appoint will be someone that's used to working within a DOF/European structure. This was in place at West Ham with Zola, Guanluca Nani is their advisor.

[OldNick]

Fair enough nick. A little bit more respect for all views is all I ask.

 

You and Ginge,I assume have had a fall out, well you are both old enough to make up and respect each other. i have had my run ins with both of you as well as FF but i try not to take it personally....perhaps it's because im special i can cope lol

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Ginge maybe a good poster I try not to remember who is good and who is bad, but Nick let me tell you AP knew he was going in the summer, all his staff knew it. He held on to get his severance cheque.

This last month has been a joke, NC should have done what he wanted at the season's end instead of let it carry over. His removal was nothing to do with the last 48 hours. It was inevitable. I was told that the evening of the Reading match.

 

Ginge's original post has to be taken in the context of the time it was posted. At that stage fans were having pops at NC/club and there were many rumours flying around.

Personally no-one is right or wrong on this. Yes FF is correct that AP has been sacked, but we do not know whether it has been planned all along ( i agree that it looked likely) but if another poster is correct that NC and AP had a blazing row saturday regarding a transfer then NC may have deecided at that time only.

Ginge is also a good poster BTW

[hypochondriac]

You and Ginge,I assume have had a fall out, well you are both old enough to make up and respect each other. i have had my run ins with both of you as well as FF but i try not to take it personally....perhaps it's because im special i can cope lol

 

I'm not angered by him at all. I actually think he contributes well when he isn't rubbishing other people's opinions or calling me a troll. I just don't see how you can get personal with people and then expect your view to be respected. Anyway that's my final word on the matter. Unless gingeletiss wants to be abusive or something then let that be the end of the matter.

[S-Clarke]

That would certainly explain the lack of funds avaliable to pardew FF, but i think the sad passing of Markus may have lead us to the timing of the decision looking at it now.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Absolutely no inside info on this - Coppell would once have been a good bet and I think O'Neil would have been approached by Les Reed who, I was told on Aug 1st, is the man tasked with finding our next manager! However NC runs the show or has the final say and I think he will have a continental man lined up.

 

You know it's going to be Zola Duncan

[hypochondriac]

That would certainly explain the lack of funds avaliable to pardew FF, but i think the sad passing of Markus may have lead us to the timing of the decision looking at it now.

 

In fairness though, Duncan and quite a few others were saying they expected his sacking sooner rather than later. Quite a few of them were saying it before the season had ended. You have to say they were right on the money

[hypochondriac]

Absolutely no inside info on this - Coppell would once have been a good bet and I think O'Neil would have been approached by Les Reed who, I was told on Aug 1st, is the man tasked with finding our next manager! However NC runs the show or has the final say and I think he will have a continental man lined up.

 

No chance IMO would MON work with Cortese. He cannot stand interfering chairmen! If we did get him though it would be extremely exciting. What are your thoughts on Zola? (Off topic I know but it is a more pleasing subject!)

[OldNick]

Ginge maybe a good poster I try not to remember who is good and who is bad, but Nick let me tell you AP knew he was going in the summer, all his staff knew it. He held on to get his severance cheque.

This last month has been a joke, NC should have done what he wanted at the season's end instead of let it carry over. His removal was nothing to do with the last 48 hours. It was inevitable. I was told that the evening of the Reading match.

A mate of mine has recently got the chop as well, so i know how ruthless NC is.

It reflects badly on AP if he stayed only for his cheque though. i wpould have gone to see NC and struck a deal.

[ottery st mary]

Apologies to any other posters I may have upset during my frustrated mid life crisis...

 

Come on boyzz and girlzz we are all on the same side..Lets all be friends again and have a love

in for our promotion year..

 

WIFM

[Weston Saint]

Apologies to any other posters I may have upset during my frustrated mid life crisis...

 

Come on boyzz and girlzz we are all on the same side..Lets all be friends again and have a love

in for our promotion year..

 

WIFM

Dotty Otty you do not have to worry. I know where you are coming from. No offence taken by me

[hypochondriac]

A mate of mine has recently got the chop as well, so i know how ruthless NC is.

It reflects badly on AP if he stayed only for his cheque though. i wpould have gone to see NC and struck a deal.

 

Well I have no idea but maybe Cortese is not really one to compromise! I hope whoever we get, we stick with them for a while and give them a chance.

[Whitey Grandad]

It reflects badly on AP if he stayed only for his cheque though. I would have gone to see NC and struck a deal.

Even if you didn't like him? You might just string him out for as long as possible just to be awkward.

[OldNick]

Even if you didn't like him? You might just string him out for as long as possible just to be awkward.

 

it reflects badly if he is letting down the customers/fans just to be awkward

[hypochondriac]

it reflects badly if he is letting down the customers/fans just to be awkward

 

But you could also say them same for Cortese... You have to say the timing of this is just awful.

[docker-p]

Apologies to any other posters I may have upset during my frustrated mid life crisis...

Come on boyzz and girlzz we are all on the same side..Lets all be friends again and have a love

in for our promotion year..

 

WIFM

I'm having one of those too. I just bought a drum kit.

[S-Clarke]

But you could also say them same for Cortese... You have to say the timing of this is just awful.

 

The timing of all the decisions he has made has been odd.

[hypochondriac]

The timing of all the decisions he has made has been odd.

 

It does seem rather odd. Especially things like no notice of the installment plan. I think a lot of his decisions would have been much better received if they had been explained and released in a certain way. Is he not aware of PR? You would think the first thing he would be looking to do is some sort of damage limitation exercise. If his mindset was that he was going to sack Pardew, then one day before the transfer window closes when the manager has already spoken of further strengthening is pretty much the worst time you could think of!

[St Marco]

Stuck your neck out there FF and you were bang on. Hats off. A "Told you so" that is richly deserved.

 

Let's be honest here that is a prediction anyone could of made, it doesn't mean he was privy to information.

 

What makes it inacurate is the fact less then 7 days ago Pardew was allowed to sign a player he wanted. Would Cortese sanction transfers when he was planning to sack pardew? Also if you read BBC's blog they mention Cortese actually was the reason Pardew was not fired at the end of last season. He had to defend Pardew to Markus.

 

So saying i told you so after this is like saying i told you friday comes after thursday. Pardew was not going to be here forever. Just unlike this rumour that was said weeks ago it was most likely down to something that happened in the past 24 hours.

 

I will make a prediction now. We will appoint a new manager before the 1st of october! Let's see if i also have the gift of prediction hey!

[hypochondriac]

Let's be honest here that is a prediction anyone could of made, it doesn't mean he was privy to information.

 

What makes it inacurate is the fact less then 7 days ago Pardew was allowed to sign a player he wanted. Would Cortese sanction transfers when he was planning to sack pardew? Also if you read BBC's blog they mention Cortese actually was the reason Pardew was not fired at the end of last season. He had to defend Pardew to Markus.

 

So saying i told you so after this is like saying i told you friday comes after thursday. Pardew was not going to be here forever. Just unlike this rumour that was said weeks ago it was most likely down to something that happened in the past 24 hours.

 

I will make a prediction now. We will appoint a new manager before the 1st of october! Let's see if i also have the gift of prediction hey!

 

So you are saying this decision was out of the blue? I can;t believe some views on here.

[St Marco]

So you are saying this decision was out of the blue? I can;t believe some views on here.

 

Not at all.

 

We all knew that last january Pardew was told to get some funds for transfers he had to get the team into the playoffs. He failed. From that momment on we all knew the board were not happy. If he had gone on a run of bad results he would of been fired. If he went on a run of good results he wouldn't have been. The evidence clearly shows whatever happened had to have happened in the last day or so. Not something that happened a month or two ago. The fact FF said this is just coincidence. The other bits didn't come to fruition did they.

[hypochondriac]

Not at all.

 

We all knew that last january Pardew was told to get some funds for transfers he had to get the team into the playoffs. He failed. From that momment on we all knew the board were not happy. If he had gone on a run of bad results he would of been fired. If he went on a run of good results he wouldn't have been. The evidence clearly shows whatever happened had to have happened in the last day or so. Not something that happened a month or two ago.

 

Pardew knew he was going to be sacked. He knew it was just a matter of time. I know that because I have spoken to someone very close to Pardew AND other people on here have had similar conversations and received similar info from different sources.

[Gemmel]

Let's be honest here that is a prediction anyone could of made, it doesn't mean he was privy to information.

 

What makes it inacurate is the fact less then 7 days ago Pardew was allowed to sign a player he wanted. Would Cortese sanction transfers when he was planning to sack pardew? Also if you read BBC's blog they mention Cortese actually was the reason Pardew was not fired at the end of last season. He had to defend Pardew to Markus.

 

So saying i told you so after this is like saying i told you friday comes after thursday. Pardew was not going to be here forever. Just unlike this rumour that was said weeks ago it was most likely down to something that happened in the past 24 hours.

 

I will make a prediction now. We will appoint a new manager before the 1st of october! Let's see if i also have the gift of prediction hey!

 

Dont be soft

[docker-p]

Let's be honest here that is a prediction anyone could of made, it doesn't mean he was privy to information.

 

What makes it inacurate is the fact less then 7 days ago Pardew was allowed to sign a player he wanted. Would Cortese sanction transfers when he was planning to sack pardew? Also if you read BBC's blog they mention Cortese actually was the reason Pardew was not fired at the end of last season. He had to defend Pardew to Markus.

 

So saying i told you so after this is like saying i told you friday comes after thursday. Pardew was not going to be here forever. Just unlike this rumour that was said weeks ago it was most likely down to something that happened in the past 24 hours.

 

I will make a prediction now. We will appoint a new manager before the 1st of october! Let's see if i also have the gift of prediction hey!

 

Probably the lamest post of the day.

Apart from anything else the BBC Blog does not contradict what FF originally posted.

[SaintBobby]

Not at all.

 

We all knew that last january Pardew was told to get some funds for transfers he had to get the team into the playoffs. He failed. From that momment on we all knew the board were not happy. If he had gone on a run of bad results he would of been fired. If he went on a run of good results he wouldn't have been. The evidence clearly shows whatever happened had to have happened in the last day or so. Not something that happened a month or two ago. The fact FF said this is just coincidence. The other bits didn't come to fruition did they.

 

It may be coincidence, but I doubt it. I met someone from the club a few weeks ago who gave me good reason to believe AP was on borrowed time.

[Whitey Grandad]

But all this gossip has been in the press and on the TV since before Christmas. Even Claridge said as much last on the BBC last Saturday night when responding to a comment about Pardew saying Bristol Rovers was a must-win game, so it's no real surprise. It's just the timing that makes no real sense unless someone is appointed quickly.

[CB Fry]

Not at all.

 

We all knew that last january Pardew was told to get some funds for transfers he had to get the team into the playoffs. He failed. From that momment on we all knew the board were not happy. If he had gone on a run of bad results he would of been fired. If he went on a run of good results he wouldn't have been. The evidence clearly shows whatever happened had to have happened in the last day or so. Not something that happened a month or two ago. The fact FF said this is just coincidence. The other bits didn't come to fruition did they.

 

 

Well, if you go back to the beginning of this flipping thread, you'll see very little evidence for your idea that "we all knew".

 

If "we all knew" how come pretty much every single contributor to this thread called FF a liar/attention seeker/bullshiner etc etc.

 

"We all knew" jack sh i t.

[Deppo]

Pardew knew he was going to be sacked. He knew it was just a matter of time. I know that because I have spoken to someone very close to Pardew

 

I have a VERY itchy chin

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think some of us need to get real.

It was the biggest non secret last close seaon that AP had reached the end of the road as far as NC was concerned. NC hesitated because "legends" like MLT, L Mac weighed in to support AP and even NC baulked.

Everyone vaguely connected with the club knew it was only a matter of time - hence it filtering down to no bodies like me.

 

Why some on this forum can't see the wood for the trees is beyond me but I see St Marco is still "struggling" this evening.

 

Coincidence? I don't think so.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Well, if you go back to the beginning of this flipping thread, you'll see very little evidence for your idea that "we all knew".

 

If "we all knew" how come pretty much every single contributor to this thread called FF a liar/attention seeker/bullshiner etc etc.

 

"We all knew" jack sh i t.

 

Thanks CB - appreciate your integrity here

[S-Clarke]

Whats your opinion on the decision Duncan? As you said the fact that it has happened isn't a major surprise, but it's more to do with the timing.

 

Do you believe he already has a ready-made replacement?

 

i have my doubts tbh, i just hope it doesn't drag on too long.

[hypochondriac]

Whats your opinion on the decision Duncan? As you said the fact that it has happened isn't a major surprise, but it's more to do with the timing.

 

Do you believe he already has a ready-made replacement?

 

i have my doubts tbh, i just hope it doesn't drag on too long.

 

Some of NC's decisions have made me think he doesn't fully consider the consequences. The press thing is the most obvious example of this. I hope he has fully considered what sacking AP at this time means.

[ottery st mary]

I'm having one of those too. I just bought a drum kit.

 

I have just taken up playing the triangle......

 

With your drums and my ding a ling we could be the band for.. 'The Reason'.. are own boy band on The X factor.

 

IF RECRUITED..My dream would be to play at St Marys.....I am sure the boyzz will be happy to have lots of experience

right behind them..

 

WIFM

[St Marco]

I think some of us need to get real.

It was the biggest non secret last close seaon that AP had reached the end of the road as far as NC was concerned. NC hesitated because "legends" like MLT, L Mac weighed in to support AP and even NC baulked.

Everyone vaguely connected with the club knew it was only a matter of time - hence it filtering down to no bodies like me.

 

Why some on this forum can't see the wood for the trees is beyond me but I see St Marco is still "struggling" this evening.

 

 

Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

How am i struggling exactly?

 

Sorry Duncan but your prediction was going to come true no matter what happened. Pardew was going to be gone at somepoint it was just a matter of when. As pointed out Pardew and the words sacked next to his name had been talked about ever since he failed to get promoted. Your post was made on the 1st of august 2010.

 

Here are some Pardew about to be sacked stories that pre-date that

10th may - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1275894/Alan-Pardews-crisis-talks-Southampton-threaten-Inigo-Calderon-signing-Brighton.html

11th may - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1277623/Alan-Pardew-faces-Southampton-sack-club-line-Steve-Cotterill-replacement.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article7122741.ece

Hell even some guy on the 6th may claimed he was about to be sacked http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A67730105

 

There are so many of them i could link them all day but you get the point. As i mentioned in my first post it was common knowledge the board were not happy that Pardew did not get us to the playoffs. It is common knowledge the board held a meeting at the end of last season to review if he should remain or not. The fact they had to do that tells you they were considering axing him. It was all over the media.

 

Now i could not give a monkies if people agree with me or not, if they think i'm daft or my post is stupid etc..Doesn't bother me. As far as i am concerned based on what has happened and the way the media are reporting it something happened in the past few days to tip things over the edge. Your orgional post implies Pardew was going to be sacked no matter what, that Cortese had already decided upon it. Like he was just waiting for the right time.

Now you might be right about that, i don't know if that is true or not. I only know what is being reported in the press or amongst fellow Saints fans. And what is being reported now is quite different to what you imply.

 

For example this was just published http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/southampton/7971476/Southampton-sack-Alan-Pardew-due-to-concern-over-staff-morale-at-St-Marys.html

The Telegraph believe that Pardew was sacked due to low morale at the club. They say that "The source also said that Liebherr’s family, who now own Southampton, supported the decision to remove Pardew".

Which raises a few more questions doesn't it. Like if the family wanted him removed then why do so now? Why not do it at the end of last season?

Add to that why was he allowed to bring in transfers recently? Why did he talk on the radio just a few days ago about relief and that he hoped to bring more players in before the end of the window? Does that sound like someone who thinks they are about to be sacked?

 

So maybe you mis-understood what i was saying. So i will re-iterate it. It is unlikely that Cortese decided he was going to sack Pardew no matter what before the season had even started. He was sacked most likely based on things that have happened after you posted your prediction. Now as i said, i don't care if you agree or not. But that is the way the media are reporting it. Maybe you should go and set them straight.

[CB Fry]

So maybe you mis-understood what i was saying. So i will re-iterate it. It is unlikely that Cortese decided he was going to sack Pardew no matter what before the season had even started. He was sacked most likely based on things that have happened after you posted your prediction. Now as i said, i don't care if you agree or not. But that is the way the media are reporting it. Maybe you should go and set them straight.

 

Err, no they're not. The Media - Solent, and the BBC nationally - both made reference to Pardew nearly being let go at the end of the season, and in the summer. No media outlet I have seen has made any explicit reference to any "things that have happened after [FF] posted [his] prediction".

 

What are these "things" that have happened since FF's prediction because I've heard or read nothing from any "media" apparently "reporting" it.

[St Marco]

Err, no they're not. The Media - Solent, and the BBC nationally - both made reference to Pardew nearly being let go at the end of the season, and in the summer. No media outlet I have seen has made any explicit reference to any "things that have happened after [FF] posted [his] prediction".

 

What are these "things" that have happened since FF's prediction because I've heard or read nothing from any "media" apparently "reporting" it.

 

These "things" i don't know. But based on what the vibe is coming out of there something obviously happened. The BBC think people quit the club due to Pardew. They however don't indicate what he did.

 

Now ask yourself this question CB Fry. Which organisation out of all the media is the closest to what is happening at St Mary's? Which media organisation is the one who speaks to the players/manager/staff on a near daily basis? What organisation does the commentary on the games that in turn is broadcast on the clubs media player? Point being of say BBC/Echo/Meridian/Sky/TheSun etc.. who is more likely to have someone around the club to hear/see these things?

 

If someone at the BBC tells me they have heard something, then i am more inclined to believe them then someone on here. Now that is not a dig at FF. I actually agree with pretty much everything he say's. Have a lot of respect for him. On this however i just don't believe that the club would have gone through all the reviews, then release players, sign new players etc.. if they were planning on making a managerial change. To me Cortese doesn't come across like that. He comes across as someone who once they have made their mind up will act upon it. The BBC say he supposedly had to fight to keep Pardew in the job. That is the total opposite of what we are lead to believe what happened on here. Someone mentioned Sky are not too happy with us because getting info out of the club is difficult. They had to chase up NC while he was on holiday. I simply do not think based on his previous actions NC is the type of person to admit to anyone other then his close aides that he would be sacking Pardew before the season had even begun. The odds that one of them would then tell someone else just seem to low to me. You may think me thinking that is daft. I say it is just thinking sensible.

Edited 30 August, 2010 by St Marco

[buctootim]

I'm personally just fed up with the likes of gingeletiss totally failing to respect the views of others. It remains to be seen whether he can be the bigger man and admit he was wrong.

 

What a prize **** you are. I suppose taking the **** out of fans who coined the 'Win It For Markus' slogan two days after his death with your oh so amusing 'Win it for Rickie Martin' avatar is "respecting the views of others". Youre not even a good troll, you just bandwagon jump. One sad individual. And I havent forgotten the Afghan girl joke either.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Now that is not a dig at FF. I Have a lot of respect for him.

 

Can I just ask..........do you respect me?

[Glasgow_Saint]

And I havent forgotten the Afghan girl joke either.

 

I missed the joke, what was it? I love jokes

 

swap this for yours? what do you call an exploding monkey? baBOOOM

[hypochondriac]

What a prize **** you are. I suppose taking the **** out of fans who coined the 'Win It For Markus' slogan two days after his death with your oh so amusing 'Win it for Rickie Martin' avatar is "respecting the views of others". Youre not even a good troll, you just bandwagon jump. One sad individual. And I havent forgotten the Afghan girl joke either.

 

I think 'Win It For Markus' is unnecessary and cringeworthy. I haven't actually posted that or had a go at anyone who has used it though, I just used my picture to show my point of view. Thanks for the personal abuse once again. How am I a bandwagon jumper? I have been consistent with my views and when I have changed my mind (like with Duncan) I said so and apologised. With regards the joke, I have made my views on that clear in an earlier post on this thread. Note how at no point during my reply did I resort to calling you a prize ****. It's how grown up people discuss things.

[buctootim]

I missed the joke, what was it? I love jokes

 

swap this for yours? what do you call an exploding monkey? baBOOOM

 

14 year old girl who had her nose and ears cut off by the Taliban for leaving her abusive family. Cant remember the joke -suffice to say it was weak and pathetic like its source.

 

[hypochondriac]

Why can't you just discuss things sensibly without resorting to abuse? Serious question. Ok so you have a difference of opinion to myself but why start calling me weak, pathetic and a ****? Is it not possible for you to talk in a sensible manner? Or alternatively just not reply if you are going to be abusive? I'm glad I don't meet some of you in real life. It's nice to be able to talk and debate with people without shouting obscenities just because you disagree. Long time posters like Franks Cousin, Nickh and (pleasant surprise) Canada Saint have often disagreed with me but can tell me that without all the rubbish that goes with it. Why cant you?

Edited 30 August, 2010 by hypochondriac

[1976_Child]

I've got a rumour... Deppo is gay. He just PM'd me and invited me to a secret spanking club..

[Deppo]

And I havent forgotten the Afghan girl joke either.

 

5 minutes later...

 

Cant remember the joke

 

I think Cortese has had his mindwipers at buctootim!