Darren Carter

[thorpie the sinner]

Like it!

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

I reckon we've had a look and he's done pretty well. AP said he was planning to speak to him and we've probably asked him about whether he fancies a move here and given him the choice: will you drop your wage demands for a chance of 1st team football. If he's gone back to Preston, I'd guess not...

[Pilchards]

I reckon we've had a look and he's done pretty well. AP said he was planning to speak to him and we've probably asked him about whether he fancies a move here and given him the choice: will you drop your wage demands for a chance of 1st team football. If he's gone back to Preston' date=' I'd guess not...[/quote']

 

If he was who I think he was then I saw Carter leaving the club for good.

 

I can only think he overpriced himself unless he will think about it and except a lesser offer that Cortese has made to him.

It really did look like a goodbye I saw as he shook hands with the fitness coach as he left.

[pele]

Where is Carter?

[thorpie the sinner]

Where is Carter?

 

Preston, Pards said he decided to go back!

[oxfordshire_saint]

Has now joined Millwall on loan:

 

http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~2110811,00.html?

[itchen_dan]

Shame because he would've been ideal for our squad this year but Pards must surely see someone else better out there?

[Chez]

Brian Hughes perhaps

[disconnect]

Damn, was hoping he'd keep Wotton from every making a first team appearance again! Now Wotton might even start the Plymouth game! We're doomed!!

[Secret Site Agent]

Oooh this is like Guess Who?

 

Who's hands did he shake?

 

Is it Tom, Robert, Ann or Bill?

[Barry the Badger]

Has now joined Millwall on loan:

 

http://www.millwallfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10367~2110811,00.html?

 

I assume that by going on loan, he gets to remain on his existing wage rather than have to renegotiate.

[Turkish]

Pardew said in his interview the other day he has gone back to Preston so no decision to be made, sounds like the player decided he didn't want us, not the other way round. Yet more p*ss on the 'we can sign whoever we want' brigades bonfire.

[Professor]

Pardew said in his interview the other day he has gone back to Preston so no decision to be made, sounds like the player decided he didn't want us, not the other way round. Yet more p*ss on the 'we can sign whoever we want' brigades bonfire.

Just making an assumption to suit your own pre-conceived ideas.

Carter has gone on a short-term 93 day loan to Millwall which means he stays on his existing wages and Millwall get time to decide if they want him. The gratitude of PNE fans that he was likely to be leaving raised a lot of doubts about him, which is more likely to be why Pardew did not make an offer he couldn't refuse. Evidence for that - if an offer had been made that was too good to refuse he would have accepted it.

This has no bearing on Saint's ability to sign players that they want, by making an attractive offer if the player is judged to be needed.

[david in sweden]

Just making an assumption to suit your own pre-conceived ideas.

Carter has gone on a short-term 93 day loan to Millwall which means he stays on his existing wages and Millwall get time to decide if they want him. The gratitude of PNE fans that he was likely to be leaving raised a lot of doubts about him, which is more likely to be why Pardew did not make an offer he couldn't refuse. Evidence for that - if an offer had been made that was too good to refuse he would have accepted it.

This has no bearing on Saint's ability to sign players that they want, by making an attractive offer if the player is judged to be needed.

 

I agree, too :we offer the guy a contract, we don't put a gun to his head. He makes his own decisions.

[moon monkey]

It appears Pardew only saw him as a squad player and Carter wanted regular first team action. No loss to us as we no longer settle for medocre players.

[Turkish]

Just making an assumption to suit your own pre-conceived ideas.

Carter has gone on a short-term 93 day loan to Millwall which means he stays on his existing wages and Millwall get time to decide if they want him. The gratitude of PNE fans that he was likely to be leaving raised a lot of doubts about him, which is more likely to be why Pardew did not make an offer he couldn't refuse. Evidence for that - if an offer had been made that was too good to refuse he would have accepted it.

This has no bearing on Saint's ability to sign players that they want, by making an attractive offer if the player is judged to be needed.

 

err no professor it is not an assumption, it was in saturdays echo, those were Pardews words. It was not on the echo website though before you start busily and angrily tapping away in an attempt to check if i am correct or not. However, it also says here that Carter decided to return to PNE and HE decided he did not have a future at Saints, stop making assumptions that my posts aren't based on facts to suit your own preconcieved ideas.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8312186.Saints_trialist_Carter_joins_Millwall/

Edited 4 August, 2010 by Turkish

[niceandfriendly]

Yet more p*ss on the 'we can sign whoever we want' brigades bonfire.

 

So unnecessarily rude to fellow fans. Shame on you.

Edited 4 August, 2010 by niceandfriendly

[Turkish]

So unnecessarily rude to fellow fans. Shame on you.

 

Not really, if people think we can sign who we want they are deluded. Danns, Bailey and Carter three example that we know about. Some people need a dose of reality. No apologies that i may offend some of you delicate little flowers.

[Nidger]

I expect Carter asked for more money than NC was willing to pay him! Fair play to NC on not being willing to break the wage structure for 1 player! We can do better than Darren Carter IMO!

[Jonnyboy]

I expect Carter asked for more money than NC was willing to pay him! Fair play to NC on not being willing to break the wage structure for 1 player! We can do better than Darren Carter IMO!

 

but will we pay enough to get the better?

[Professor]

err no professor it is not an assumption, it was in saturdays echo, those were Pardews words. It was not on the echo website though before you start busily and angrily tapping away in an attempt to check if i am correct or not. However, it also says here that Carter decided to return to PNE and HE decided he did not have a future at Saints, stop making assumptions that my posts aren't based on facts to suit your own preconcieved ideas.

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8312186.Saints_trialist_Carter_joins_Millwall/

Sorry my friend, not angry at all, but just worth correcting mistaken statements. The assumption you made was that Carter went back 'because he didn't want us'. That is not what The Echo report said, or what Pardew was reported as saying. You have no idea what offer was made, so whether his decision was on the role he would have here or the wages, it remains the case that if the club had wanted him badly enough they could have offered him length of contract, guarantees on selection or more money.

The assumption I make is that he was offered less than that because Pardew did not rate him highly enough. Carter is not wanted at PNE where the fans don't rate him either and he has now had to accept a short term loan elsewhere to maintain his existing wages. The article in no way contradicts this conclusion unless you want to read into it words that are just not there.

[Turkish]

Sorry my friend, not angry at all, but just worth correcting mistaken statements. The assumption you made was that Carter went back 'because he didn't want us'. That is not what The Echo report said, or what Pardew was reported as saying. You have no idea what offer was made, so whether his decision was on the role he would have here or the wages, it remains the case that if the club had wanted him badly enough they could have offered him length of contract, guarantees on selection or more money.

The assumption I make is that he was offered less than that because Pardew did not rate him highly enough. Carter is not wanted at PNE where the fans don't rate him either and he has now had to accept a short term loan elsewhere to maintain his existing wages. The article in no way contradicts this conclusion unless you want to read into it words that are just not there.

 

Not at all, the fact is the echo said 'he decided his future wasn't at St Marys' and Pardew said 'he has gone back to Preston, there was no decision to be made' those were Pardews word in the echo. This suggests that he had decided before it had even got to negotiations stage that Pardew didn't have a decison to make on if he should be offered a deal or not as Carter had gone back to Preston already. Then tho and behold, three days later he is signing for Millwall on loan, a CCC club. People again arrogantly assuming everyone wants to join Southampton and all we have to do is wave enough cash in their faces.

[rick1976.4.38]

has signed for millwall now

[Professor]

Millwall have taken Carter on 93 days loan. If Pardew had wanted him 3 months at Millwall would not have been in the frame. This isn't a case of missing out on a player, the disapointment is that Pardew, or his scouting staff, haven't yet found players worth making a bid for in all the positions that need covering.

[Turkish]

Millwall have taken Carter on 93 days loan. If Pardew had wanted him 3 months at Millwall would not have been in the frame. This isn't a case of missing out on a player, the disapointment is that Pardew, or his scouting staff, haven't yet found players worth making a bid for in all the positions that need covering.

 

The fact remains that both the echo and Pardew say he deicide his future not us. he didn't want us, however you try to manipulate assumptions. Mine are based on facts and quotes, yours are based on speculation that we might have offered him a deal, which might have been less than he wanted.

[Barry the Badger]

Millwall have taken Carter on 93 days loan. If Pardew had wanted him 3 months at Millwall would not have been in the frame. This isn't a case of missing out on a player, the disapointment is that Pardew, or his scouting staff, haven't yet found players worth making a bid for in all the positions that need covering.

 

Why do you think a player would automatically prefer a deal with a League 1 side over one with a Championship side?

[Clifford Nelson]

As far as I can see there is no evidence that he was offered anything here. That AP was to talk to him is evidence of exactly that, nothing else, and that "he" decided that his future lies elsewhere is probably his version, or that of his agent. It sounds much better than having received another "no thanks". Anyway, I can't see what the excitement about him is all about. He appears to be an average CM, with no reputation to talk about and not good enough for PNE, It leaves me cold, and I guess the same went for AP.

[ChrisPY]

Sent off today.

[Professor]

Why do you think a player would automatically prefer a deal with a League 1 side over one with a Championship side?

 

In case you've misunderstood me, I don't think Carter was a definite target for Pardew and that he would have had to look significantly better than Hammond for Pardew to be really interested. Otherwise, all he could have had here would have been a squad place, which on his money expectations was probably never a goer and I suspect that is what came out in the post trial chat.

 

As for why a player would prefer a 2 or 3 year contact with a L1 side instead of a loan to an nPC club, its quite simple - Money! If Saints had wanted Carter badly enough they would have let him know that there would be enough money on offer that he would be unlikely to refuse. But there wasn't.