It appears that Nick Illingsworth has been refused a season ticket

[trousers]

Here's a task for people:

 

Tomorrow, contact 3 friends, family or colleagues who follow Saints but who don't visit any online forums, either directly or indirectly (e.g. You've never discussed what you've read on here with them) and ask them how they think the club is being run at the moment.

 

Let me know how you get on.

[Thedelldays]

So.....I roll up outside St. Marys and start selling crap merchandise, to Saints fans who are drawn to the stadium, owned by Liebherr, to watch a team owned by Liebherr, from a stall with a Saints crest on it.

The fans complain to the club about the crap merchandise I sold them and after I pack the stall away and try to take my seat in the stadium, a representative of the owner politely tells me that I am no longer allowed in.

 

I can't say that it would be an unreasonable turn of events...

indeed...you would not get away with it with any other company

[dune]

And it's a very sad day when someone can't question a policy without being penalised for it.

 

It's what is technically know as fascism - a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

so we have to be significantly funded by markus...not even just funded...

 

what payback....NC has again said there is no payback to markus..

 

I am covering my bets.

 

Come on... £1m is peanuts, I am just covering myself as I imagine the club ran to as close to break even as possible, and the 'might' have come up slightly short... but not for the want of trying.

 

Do we have a bet?

[Thedelldays]

I am covering my bets.

 

Come on... £1m is peanuts, I am just covering myself as I imagine the club ran to as close to break even as possible, and the 'might' have come up slightly short... but not for the want of trying.

 

Do we have a bet?

 

riiiight...why cover your ass...you are so sure we are self sustaining and markus' only involvement is to turn up for home games....etc

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Here's a task for people:

 

Tomorrow, contact 3 friends, family or colleagues who follow Saints but who don't visit any online forums, either directly or indirectly (e.g. You've never discussed what you've read on here with them) and ask them how they think the club is being run at the moment.

 

Let me know how you get on.

 

I am one of only 2 that post on here in our group. In the pub, pretty much the unanimous thought is that Cortese is a c*nt. Although also the depth of feeling is not so much that they would act on it yet. Although not being members of this forum, they cannot see the full scale.

[dune]

There is no evidence he has been banned anyway you have jumped on every anti-Cortese bandwagon going so dont suddenly make it some kind of moral crusade,who are you fricking Ghandi ?

 

If and when it does transpire the NI has been refused a season ticket will you condemn Cortese given that it mirrors your banning from S4E? Yes or No.

[St Marco]

Yes football is a business but one that is totally different from any other, otherwise we would all shop around for the best deal and watch that team rather than one we 'support'.

And it's a very sad day when someone can't question a policy without being penalised for it.

 

Very true. But maybe he should of gone to NC and wait for a reply rather then issue a statement to the media? What did he hope to achive by that? There are right way's to canvas opinion and wrong ones. His way of doing it in my view is wrong.

It sucks that we could not do a payment plan but there are so many way's of getting around it. Maybe he should of done a news piece talking about how you can get a ticket by doing payment plans with other companies? That would of been better no?

 

We all support this club, in comparison to other clubs our season tickets are not too bad. He already said he had a season ticket so why talk about payment plans if you already have one? The trust has under 1000 members right? This forum did a detailed post on how to get types of credit like instalment plans to get a ticket. Maybe they should of been shown that post. It is not the end of the world. If you walk into a shop and try to buy something and they don't have your payment type you don't write a letter to the manager do you.....you just accept it. His whole angle was to suggest we as fans were being treated badly, we aren't.

[CitySaint]

I have supported Southampton for an equally long amount of time and I have managed to get a season ticket. Why? Because I haven't presented myself as the face of Southampton Football Clubs fans, I am entitled to my opinion and that is all I give. Illingsworth has himself at heart, as his consistent appearance on TV, in the paper and trying to profit from the fans have shown. Any fan, who turns up, watches the team and does their bit will continue to be able to support the football club. NI has distanced himself from the real fanbase metaphorically, and now will be distanced physically. Cortese has my 100% approval, doing a fine job running the club professionally, in no way has he offended or affected my support.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

riiiight...why cover your ass...you are so sure we are self sustaining and markus' only involvement is to turn up for home games....etc

 

I am sure that Cortese has been targeted to get to a certain level using the minimum amount of Liebherrs cash as possible. He might not have hit his targets last season, which might explain trying to cover the shortfall in booking fees, pay and display parking, doubling corporate prices, 15% Season Ticket price increase, matchday surcharge etc etc

 

-£1m does not show significant investment. Most investors that take over a failing business forecast losses in year 1 and year 2 of a 5 year plan.

 

Do we have a bet or not?

[Thedelldays]

I am sure that Cortese has been targeted to get to a certain level using the minimum amount of Liebherrs cash as possible. He might not have hit his targets last season, which might explain trying to cover the shortfall in booking fees, pay and display parking, doubling corporate prices, 15% Season Ticket price increase, matchday surcharge etc etc

 

-£1m does not show significant investment. Most investors that take over a failing business forecast losses in year 1 and year 2 of a 5 year plan.

 

Do we have a bet or not?

 

so, markus is funding us then...?

 

will bet you on the terms of the plain and simple thing..if markus is shown NOT to have put a penny in (like you have told many times..mostly with insults) I will go..if markus has funded us at any level, which I have said that NC was quoted..then ta ta to you ..?

 

yes/no...?

[Guided Missile]

It's what is technically know as fascism - a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism.

A newsflash for the budding Marxist shop stewards out there. Companies are not democracies and they are only accountable to the lawmakers and their shareholders. You want a vote, buy some shares. Buy a season ticket and you have to abide by the T & C's...

[Jonnyboy]

Exactly.

 

As long as we win, play well. Are not being ripped off, can get a decent pie/beer at half time, go to Wembley now and then who gives a **** what the chairmans personality is like?

 

what if he starts burying agitators under the pitch like pinochet?

[alpine_saint]

Utter rubbish. Cortese came in with a clean sheet. Any negativity he is reaping was sown by him.

 

Well that is a crock of sh*t if ever I've read one.

 

Due to our years of enduring Lowe, we are somewhat over-sensitive to "focused" CEOs.

 

I bet the likes of Leicester didnt have a clue about what hit them when the bent Serb turned up.

[Jonnyboy]

A newsflash for the budding Marxist shop stewards out there. Companies are not democracies and they are only accountable to the lawmakers and their shareholders. You want a vote, buy some shares. Buy a season ticket and you have to abide by the T & C's...

 

there are no shares?

[alpine_saint]

Here's a task for people:

 

Tomorrow, contact 3 friends, family or colleagues who follow Saints but who don't visit any online forums, either directly or indirectly (e.g. You've never discussed what you've read on here with them) and ask them how they think the club is being run at the moment.

 

Let me know how you get on.

 

Well I've just come off the phone from my cousin, and he doesnt visit forums, and he is of the opinion that NC is the Second Coming...

[dune]

A newsflash for the budding Marxist shop stewards out there. Companies are not democracies and they are only accountable to the lawmakers and their shareholders. You want a vote, buy some shares. Buy a season ticket and you have to abide by the T & C's...

 

You're right, but not selling NI a season ticket isn't fair. Like him or loathe him if you believe in freedom of speech you should support him on this.

[manji]

If and when it does transpire the NI has been refused a season ticket will you condemn Cortese given that it mirrors your banning from S4E? Yes or No.

 

We dont know its mirrors my banning. Also ,if he has been banned, I would be interested to know why.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

so, markus is funding us then...?

 

will bet you on the terms of the plain and simple thing..if markus is shown NOT to have put a penny in (like you have told many times..mostly with insults) I will go..if markus has funded us at any level, which I have said that NC was quoted..then ta ta to you ..?

 

yes/no...?

 

I haven't said he hasn't put a penny in though have I Jamie Dulldays? I have said there has been no significant investment from Liebherr. The club is being run as a self-sufficient business. You are happy to quote things that your girlfriend Nicola quotes, well that's what he said... "self-sufficient"

 

I see absolutely no evidence that there's been significant investment since last seasons transfer window closed.

 

If you could provide me some examples I will happily listen ( don't say the training ground, our master threw his toys out about that so hasn't actually paid for that yet )

[Thedelldays]

I haven't said he hasn't put a penny in though have I Jamie Dulldays? )

 

why you being insulting...is it impossible for you to do that in a debate..

yes, you have said many times that we are self sufficient....

[dune]

Due to our years of enduring Lowe, we are somewhat over-sensitive to "focused" CEOs.

 

Or maybe because of our years enduring Lowe we are able see the similarities?

[Smirking_Saint]

They would though, unfortunately this forum seems to attract the sort of people that wouldn't probably p!ss on a Saints fan if they were on fire. No loyalty towards fellow Saints whatsoever, luckily when it comes down to it, these people are in the minority in the real world. Unfortunately though, through hidden usernames, these people like to blindly defend the club to the hilt. Smirking is a great example of this.

 

It's no coincidence whatsoever that the majority of people who don't see the problems with Cortese don't have experience of SFC at customer level, living away from Southampton, sometimes in another country, with only a few actually having a season ticket. I guess you can see why they wouldn't be bothered and why all they care about is the results on the pitch. I think their views would be different if they had more involvement with SFC though.

 

God you really are a bit of a tw*t, and a hypocritical one at that.

 

Why the hell should i defend and show blind loyalty to anyone ?? I wouldn't show a blind loyalty to my own family ? My loyalty depends on situation.

 

I have said before that i think it is unfortunate that the payment scheme has deprived a few fans, it really is, FFS i am one of the ones that wasn't able to get a ST because of the removal of the payment plan, however, i looked at my situation and decided i would go on a game to game basis, could i have found a way to afford it ? Yes, however i decided to wait until next year and save up to buy it whether than put it on the credit card, i'll probably work a few sats this year anyways.

 

As far as i can see at the moment NC has been a bit of a pr*ck, but not deserving of as much vitriol as you seem to bring on a daily basis, i certainly havn't got an agenda pro club to blindly follow it into the abyss, i do however have the ability to look at situations objectively, get what information i can and more importantly try to ensure that info is correct, something you seem to lack the ability to do Stu. You seem to find what info you can to fortify your arguements and agenda and than blindly follow it, you are a conspiracist, some people will believe your drivel, others won't.

 

SteveGrant and Hypo also seem to be in the Cortese dislike camp, however i can swallow what they speak and respect it a lot more easily due to them being able to pose across informed opinion and actually DEBATE things, not just launch into a character attack just because they cannot actually back up their own arguement or because someone does not agree with them.

 

Hidden usernames, lol, thats pretty comical, Sturomsey.....oh no.... Dave Benson Phillips lol, what difference does that make anyway, i have the same opinions in the real world as i do on here, nothing like your macho man online persona lol.

 

And now for this NI event, i don't agree with what the bloke says, and as i said, he not only puts his head over the parapit but actually attacks the club head on and also screwed a few fans over in the Silverspoons deal, now i didn't go there, i went to the green man, and i don't think it was all his fault TBF, but all in all he was a figurehead so needs to take responsibility. The problem is there is more than one side to a story, so currently i can't just openly blame NC for this, it could be an admin error (i like the way you have covered that outcome to suit your arguement BTW, very inspired). If it turns out that it is NC being a bit of a tw*t than my opinion will change, and i will admit it. Unfortunately i don't see you doing the same if you are proven incorrect.

 

So please Stu, get your facts right, and actually TRY to have a reasoned debate in the way you shout everyone else down if they just attack you.

 

I really don't expect to get a reasonable response from you for this post, try and surprise me, and if you really just want to get personal than can we just put each other on ignore ? I really can't be arsed.

[dune]

We dont know its mirrors my banning. Also ,if he has been banned, I would be interested to know why.

 

Fair comment.

[alpine_saint]

Exactly.

 

As long as we win, play well. Are not being ripped off, can get a decent pie/beer at half time, go to Wembley now and then who gives a **** what the chairmans personality is like?

 

Steady on, are you saying you couldnt give a flying one if we had a money-laundering arms smuggler at the helm like another team not a million miles away once had ?

[Smirking_Saint]

You're right, but not selling NI a season ticket isn't fair. Like him or loathe him if you believe in freedom of speech you should support him on this.

 

TBF you don't know the full story ?

 

I agree if NC is just being a tw*t i will look at him differently, but i am not forming an opinion until i know all the info.

[Smirking_Saint]

why you being insulting...is it impossible for you to debate..

 

Sadly i think it might be, which is a shame as he puts a lot of effort into the info gathering, then can't actually debate it properly.

[dune]

TBF you don't know the full story ?

 

I agree if NC is just being a tw*t i will look at him differently, but i am not forming an opinion until i know all the info.

 

That's fair enough, but we do know the full story surrounding his banning of the Daily Echo and in that instance Cortese made a rash decision - a wrong decision.

[JRM]

We really do have some utter w&nkers as fans. Cortese will one day realise that he is not the club, neither are the players or the stadium. The fans are the most important thing and without them there is nothing. It has been apparent for some time now that the club are making no attempt to hide their contempt for the fan base and see it as nothing more than a revenue sponge to squeeze. Football culture is quite distinct in the relationship between a business and its customers, and having fans tied in with the operation of the club is an essential part of that. I'm not at all surprised by the 'i'm alright jack' posters on here, usual suspects many of whom wont be seen travelling the length of the country home and away. cortese clearly thinks he can just censor anyone who disagrees with him, and use his 'power' to carry out petty vendettas. It would be nice if saints fans stuck together a bit more and there is nothing wrong with questioning the decision making of our club. It doesnt mean the club have to listen, but they should not be suprised when fans then show resentment.

[dune]

Sadly i think it might be, which is a shame as he puts a lot of effort into the info gathering, then can't actually debate it properly.

 

Talk about pots and kettles. If there's anything worse than a hypocrite it's a sanctimonious hypocrite.

[Guided Missile]

You're right, but not selling NI a season ticket isn't fair. Like him or loathe him if you believe in freedom of speech you should support him on this.

If anyone runs an undemocratic organisation, it's NI via the Saints Trust or whatever platform he and his chums hook on to.

 

Lest we forget, the last time these loud mouths got involved in the running of the club, this happened:

 

Crouch and Trant don’t beat about the bush in meeting with the fans

 

10:42am Friday 16th June 2006

By Echo Reporter » IT was supposed to be the night when key members of Michael Wilde's proposed new board delivered their mission statement to fans.

Potential chief executive Jim Hone, operations manager Lee Hoos and chairman Ken Dulieu were aiming to tell supporters just why they should be trusted with the running of their club if Rupert Lowe loses the EGM.

But in the absence of their manifesto the publication of which has been delayed due to legal technicalities the evening turned into a showcase for Patrick Trant and Leon Crouch's passion for Saints to come through.

Trant was a last-minute addition to the top table for the first half of the meeting at the Northam Social Club.

But, after Portugal-based former policeman and financial investigator Delieu and ex-Fulham pair Hone and Hoos had all introduced themselves, it was local businessman Trant head of Trant Construction who got the assembled fans cheering and applauding.

 

CENTRE OF ATTENTION: From left Lee Hoos,

Jim Hone, Ken Dulieu and Patrick Trant speak

to Saints fans at the Northam Social Club last night.

Picture: Nick Day.

 

 

When NI demonstrates he's capable of running a pi ss up in a brewery, I'll listen to him about how the club should sell ST's. In the meantime, forgive me if I ignore him when he whines like a b! tch...

[Dave Benson Phillips]

God you really are a bit of a tw*t, and a hypocritical one at that.

 

Why the hell should i defend and show blind loyalty to anyone ?? I wouldn't show a blind loyalty to my own family ? My loyalty depends on situation.

 

I have said before that i think it is unfortunate that the payment scheme has deprived a few fans, it really is, FFS i am one of the ones that wasn't able to get a ST because of the removal of the payment plan, however, i looked at my situation and decided i would go on a game to game basis, could i have found a way to afford it ? Yes, however i decided to wait until next year and save up to buy it whether than put it on the credit card, i'll probably work a few sats this year anyways.

 

As far as i can see at the moment NC has been a bit of a pr*ck, but not deserving of as much vitriol as you seem to bring on a daily basis, i certainly havn't got an agenda pro club to blindly follow it into the abyss, i do however have the ability to look at situations objectively, get what information i can and more importantly try to ensure that info is correct, something you seem to lack the ability to do Stu. You seem to find what info you can to fortify your arguements and agenda and than blindly follow it, you are a conspiracist, some people will believe your drivel, others won't.

 

SteveGrant and Hypo also seem to be in the Cortese dislike camp, however i can swallow what they speak and respect it a lot more easily due to them being able to pose across informed opinion and actually DEBATE things, not just launch into a character attack just because they cannot actually back up their own arguement or because someone does not agree with them.

 

Hidden usernames, lol, thats pretty comical, Sturomsey.....oh no.... Dave Benson Phillips lol, what difference does that make anyway, i have the same opinions in the real world as i do on here, nothing like your macho man online persona lol.

 

And now for this NI event, i don't agree with what the bloke says, and as i said, he not only puts his head over the parapit but actually attacks the club head on and also screwed a few fans over in the Silverspoons deal, now i didn't go there, i went to the green man, and i don't think it was all his fault TBF, but all in all he was a figurehead so needs to take responsibility. The problem is there is more than one side to a story, so currently i can't just openly blame NC for this, it could be an admin error (i like the way you have covered that outcome to suit your arguement BTW, very inspired). If it turns out that it is NC being a bit of a tw*t than my opinion will change, and i will admit it. Unfortunately i don't see you doing the same if you are proven incorrect.

 

So please Stu, get your facts right, and actually TRY to have a reasoned debate in the way you shout everyone else down if they just attack you.

 

I really don't expect to get a reasonable response from you for this post, try and surprise me, and if you really just want to get personal than can we just put each other on ignore ? I really can't be arsed.

 

Firstly, I had a chuckle at your hypocrisy line. That was funny, even though you were attacking people for wanting to speak to managers, forgetting you had posted a thread asking for the Head of Supporters Services email address. Now THAT was comical.

 

I am of the view if one Saints fan suffers because of the actions of the club then the problem needs addressing.

 

I am glad you went to the Green Man and had fun. Do you know what Saints fan organised that and secured the pub for Saints fans by the way?

 

It wasn't an admin error, I can promise you that and I am not prepared to say how I know at this point, but it wasn't... and you don't even need me to tell you why, it's pretty obvious that almost a month down the line with the club still ignoring Nicks emails and calls, that it's nothing more than a petty tantrum on the clubs part.

[Smirking_Saint]

That's fair enough, but we do know the full story surrounding his banning of the Daily Echo and in that instance Cortese made a rash decision - a wrong decision.

 

Perhaps rash, however it is true that the echo needs saints more than saints need the echo.

 

Was NC looking for an excuse to get rid of the echo's coverage to promote the OS, probably.

 

The echo however ignored his request, and have since acted just as poorly by reporting as much anti NC guff as it can gather, so really and truelly it only has itself to blame. The days of paper news are sadly numbered IMO anyways.

[Saint Charlie]

Cortese can do what he wants. He hasn't ****ed me off and is running the club very well. He is ruthless but thats what we need. Things like the ST are a waste of time, just get on with being a supporter or buy your own club to meddle with. At the end of the day the club can decide who they want to do business with. Im sure they have been aware of NI and some other renegades and they dont like them because they stick their nose in where its not wanted.

 

I am intelligent enough to form my own opinions on the club, the direction its going in and NC himself. I don't need to be influenced by a one man band re a season ticket or an installment plan. NC has 13000 customers already and Im sure 90% are very very happy. The others can keep moaning if they want, but when the season starts they will be forgotten!

[Thedelldays]

I haven't said he hasn't put a penny in though have I

 

If you could provide me some examples I will happily listen ( don't say the training ground, our master threw his toys out about that so hasn't actually paid for that yet )

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23831-Cortese-(POLL)/page3&highlight=markus+funding

post 105

 

 

said as if it is fact

Even if he does sell up... it's not the end of the world... we are running as a self-sufficient business so the fact Liebherr is a billionaire is completely irrelevent

[rocknrollman no2]

No one should be stopped from being able to buy a ST,unless the police or courts say so.

If NIs ticket has been cancelled just because he has an opinion,then the club are deffinately in the wrong.

Whos next?

Anyone who shouts too loud?

Anyone who wont sit down?

Those who drink too much?

If (i dont know all the facts),this is the case,then its very worrying.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23831-Cortese-(POLL)/page3&highlight=markus+funding

post 105

 

 

said as if it is fact

 

Exactly, we are, even you girlfriend Nicola has said as much.

 

Just because we are running as a self-sufficient business, allow me to slip in a small buffer zone incase Nicola came up short in his bottom line targets.

[dune]

Cortese can do what he wants. He hasn't ****ed me off and is running the club very well. He is ruthless but thats what we need. Things like the ST are a waste of time, just get on with being a supporter or buy your own club to meddle with. At the end of the day the club can decide who they want to do business with. Im sure they have been aware of NI and some other renegades and they dont like them because they stick their nose in where its not wanted.

 

I am intelligent enough to form my own opinions on the club, the direction its going in and NC himself. I don't need to be influenced by a one man band re a season ticket or an installment plan. NC has 13000 customers already and Im sure 90% are very very happy. The others can keep moaning if they want, but when the season starts they will be forgotten!

 

There is one slight flaw in your argument - Nicola Cortese. He has made a catalogue of gaffes in his short period at the club so one must assume that he will continue to make gaffes. Therefore unless NC changes, or is replaced, stories such as is being discussed on this thread will continue to pop up regularly. Cortese is losing support whether you like it or not and that is not a good situation.

[Thedelldays]

Exactly, we are, even you girlfriend Nicola has said as much.

 

Just because we are running as a self-sufficient business, allow me to slip in a small buffer zone incase Nicola came up short in his bottom line targets.

 

LOL

 

what a pathetic post..I know you can do what you like on here..but at least try to debate properly

[View From The Top]

I have been struggling to work why , when we are in the middle of the most optimistic and settled close season for years,there is a small cabal of anti-Cortese types trying to rock the boat. Then I realised,these self-serving idiots do NOT want Saints to succeed. They want Southampton to be a small unsuccesful parochial club. They can then wheedle thier way in with jobs "club historian" or "fanontheboard" for example or if that doesn't work attention seeking "open letters" , incessant interviews to local press or Sky, protest marches , open meetings with out of work desperate ex-Saints or a resurrected Saints Trust gaining profitable membership due to the failures of the club.

Before you dismiss this as fantasy just look at how many of the cabal are left-wing trade union types spouting fantastical nonsense about Southampton being a Barcelona type peoples run club.

Lefty schitt-stirrers hate nothing more than stability and success.

Long live Southampton Football Club as a successful , professional and profitable football club.

 

LOL at the b o l l o x s in this post.

 

Evidence if ever needed that drugs are bad.

[Smirking_Saint]

Firstly, I had a chuckle at your hypocrisy line. That was funny, even though you were attacking people for wanting to speak to managers, forgetting you had posted a thread asking for the Head of Supporters Services email address. Now THAT was comical.

 

Not really, considering even in that post i said i always try with the front line first and if i cannot get a decent response move up, but then it wouldn't be the first time you have purposely looked over things or just not actually looked in the first place.

 

And then you post something saying that i post behind a hidden username, lol, says the man that deleted one and created a new one.

 

I am of the view if one Saints fan suffers because of the actions of the club then the problem needs addressing.

 

Yeah, ok, but the club is a business, if i thought things were unreasonable i would agree, but i see no information saying that is the case

 

I am glad you went to the Green Man and had fun. Do you know what Saints fan organised that and secured the pub for Saints fans by the way?

 

I did and no i don't, why ?

 

It wasn't an admin error, I can promise you that and I am not prepared to say how I know at this point, but it wasn't... and you don't even need me to tell you why, it's pretty obvious that almost a month down the line with the club still ignoring Nicks emails and calls, that it's nothing more than a petty tantrum on the clubs part.

 

 

Seeing as i don't know i can't comment, at the moment though i don't know all the info so i am not forming an opinion because one man says i should.

 

Perhaps, and like i said right at the beginning, the club should really let him know, if they havn't already, which i can only take NI's word for it that they have not.

[dune]

No one should be stopped from being able to buy a ST,unless the police or courts say so.

If NIs ticket has been cancelled just because he has an opinion,then the club are deffinately in the wrong.

Whos next?

Anyone who shouts too loud?

Anyone who wont sit down?

Those who drink too much?

If (i dont know all the facts),this is the case,then its very worrying.

 

Those with ginger hair...

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Seeing as i don't know i can't comment, at the moment though i don't know all the info so i am not forming an opinion because one man says i should.

 

Perhaps, and like i said right at the beginning, the club should really let him know, if they havn't already, which i can only take NI's word for it that they have not.

 

It was me re: Green Man. Don't worry, I'll let you buy me a pint next time. See the thing is, you didn't even know that because I am not some attention whore and apart from posting it on forums and a few posters about the place, kept my mug away from it all.

 

See I might be a c*nt, but I also DO get off my arse and do things for others ( ok ok I made a mint out of some of the coaches I parked up there, but who wouldn't eh? )

 

I really don't think NI would lie, and I really don't think that the club would allow an 'admin error' to drag on for a month regarding one person whom has so many contacts in the press/media ( rightly or wrongly )

[View From The Top]

TBF you don't know the full story ?

 

I agree if NC is just being a tw*t i will look at him differently, but i am not forming an opinion until i know all the info.

 

Exactly. I've met NI a good few times over the years and he's always seemed a pleasant enough chap but I can't form an opinion based on information from just one side.

 

NC is certainly ruthless, I've heard enough from people that deal with him to understand why he got to where he did in Swiss banking but I find it hard to believe that he is deliberately attempting to alienate the fan base, despite what a couple of no-marks on a messageboard would have us believe.

[kpturner]

There is one slight flaw in your argument - Nicola Cortese. He has made a catalogue of gaffes in his short period at the club so one must assume that he will continue to make gaffes. Therefore unless NC changes, or is replaced, stories such as is being discussed on this thread will continue to pop up regularly. Cortese is losing support whether you like it or not and that is not a good situation.

But what are these gaffs? Are they really gaffs or actions/decisions that have ****ed some people off?

[benjii]

What a waste of space this thread is. Can't be arsed to read the recent pages but unless someone is prepared to confirm the reason for any banning then we have no idea if it's justified or not. It might be, it might not. Dunno.

[Saint Charlie]

There is one slight flaw in your argument - Nicola Cortese. He has made a catalogue of gaffes in his short period at the club so one must assume that he will continue to make gaffes. Therefore unless NC changes, or is replaced, stories such as is being discussed on this thread will continue to pop up regularly. Cortese is losing support whether you like it or not and that is not a good situation.

 

No gaffes that involve the success of the team. He has done 99% of things above my expectations last summer. You just dont agree with some decisions, that doesnt mean they arent correct or justified.

 

And 13000 people have ST's so he couldnt care less about a few morons!

[Dave Benson Phillips]

No gaffes that involve the success of the team. He has done 99% of things above my expectations last summer. You just dont agree with some decisions, that doesnt mean they arent correct or justified.

 

And 13000 people have ST's so he couldnt care less about a few morons!

 

See now you are speaking on behalf of the season ticket base are you? Have you spoke to all 13000 STH's?

[Smirking_Saint]

It was me re: Green Man. Don't worry, I'll let you buy me a pint next time. See the thing is, you didn't even know that because I am not some attention whore and apart from posting it on forums and a few posters about the place, kept my mug away from it all.

 

See I might be a c*nt, but I also DO get off my arse and do things for others ( ok ok I made a mint out of some of the coaches I parked up there, but who wouldn't eh? )

 

I really don't think NI would lie, and I really don't think that the club would allow an 'admin error' to drag on for a month regarding one person whom has so many contacts in the press/media ( rightly or wrongly )

 

Well nice work, it was a decent pub, re the drink you already owe me 1 for the ST wrongness and another for being a bit of a bellend recently, so i'll scratch one off for you.

 

As for NI, i don't know, i am not jumping to any conclusions, i just can't see why NC would openly alienate the fan base like VFTT has stated above, but he has done enough to p*ss off 9 out of 10 companies so it may be about him.

 

As for him not getting info from the club, he really should have done, but then it depends if he has lodged a complaint via the correct procedure, that previous thread of mine you posted or not anyone would look like a tw*t if the manager you gets through to says, 'Did the ticket office not help you out ?'

[dune]

See now you are speaking on behalf of the season ticket base are you? Have you spoke to all 13000 STH's?

 

Saint Charlie - Chairman and Spokesman of the Season Ticket Holders Trust.

[Smirking_Saint]

There is one slight flaw in your argument - Nicola Cortese. He has made a catalogue of gaffes in his short period at the club so one must assume that he will continue to make gaffes. Therefore unless NC changes, or is replaced, stories such as is being discussed on this thread will continue to pop up regularly. Cortese is losing support whether you like it or not and that is not a good situation.

 

Not really, the vast majority of the fanbase do not know about hardly any of these issues TBF, if you stood in a street and asked whether or not the club was being run correctly i am confident that 90%+ would say yes.

 

However, i do concede that he seems pretty ruthless and has the potential to p*ss a lot of people off, but ATM his decisions have been business decisions that have not really affected the masses. His PR skills are pretty sh*te however