Secret Site Agent Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 The trouble is here is that we are all making assumptions based on one mans Biased view. How do we know it isn't deliberate by Nicola because of what Nick did at Silverspoons? How do we know it wasn't because of a computer screw up? How do we know it wasn't because of incompetence? How do we know that Nick hasn't been given a banning order? How do we know nick hasn't asked for the refund? How do we know this has happened at all? We don't. We just take his word for it and judge him accordingly. Is it because he likes to think of himself above the likes of us and is deserving of better treatment? we don't know. All I do know is that he's the only one who has had a season ticket 'refused'. and how come he can e-mail and phone senior members of the Club, when we have to contact customer services with our problems? I think what has happened is that he has come down to earth with a big BUMP and he is just a normal stakeholder like us. And so it should be. And we have still got our badge and crest.
Saint Fan CaM Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 What goes around comes around. Disband the Trust and get used to not being some kind of trumpted up minor celeb (in his own mind perhaps) without a mandate.
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 funny how the ex 657 skate was bragging on pompey-fans site about how much money he made that day.... Of course, everything people write on the internet is true, and not part of a macho internet character building exercise From what Nick told me both before and after the event, he and a couple of others were merely acting as promoters for the event. The venue took the majority of the money, with some sort of middleman (presumably this Pompey connection?) taking a cut. Nick then paid commission to the people he had selling tickets. Doesn't seem to leave an awful lot left over, really. As I said to him the day after, it probably wasn't worth the hassle, really. A decent enough idea badly and somewhat naively executed, sadly.
sticksaint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Of course, everything people write on the internet is true, and not part of a macho internet character building exercise From what Nick told me both before and after the event, he and a couple of others were merely acting as promoters for the event. The venue took the majority of the money, with some sort of middleman (presumably this Pompey connection?) taking a cut. Nick then paid commission to the people he had selling tickets. Doesn't seem to leave an awful lot left over, really. As I said to him the day after, it probably wasn't worth the hassle, really. A decent enough idea badly and somewhat naively executed, sadly. I don`t disagree with you.Two points then why didn`t his company reply to my e mail and why did they make an apology?
Saint_clark Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Considering he has received no message from the club, does anyone know he is actually being REFUSED a season ticket? Has he tried simply phoning the ticket office up and asking, rather than sending one of his pompous "official Saints Trust" emails?
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 The trouble is here is that we are all making assumptions based on one mans Biased view. How do we know it isn't deliberate by Nicola because of what Nick did at Silverspoons? Because Nick would not be stupid enough to go public if this was the case. How do we know it wasn't because of a computer screw up? They have failed to say anything or respond to emails or calls for 3 weeks... I think that says it all. How do we know it wasn't because of incompetence? They have failed to say anything or respond to emails or calls for 3 weeks... I think that says it all. How do we know that Nick hasn't been given a banning order? Do you honestly think Nick would release a statement if this was the case? How do we know nick hasn't asked for the refund? Err... because he said he didn't. How do we know this has happened at all? http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/fb_mb.php?m=v&t=3127#30 We don't. We just take his word for it and judge him accordingly. Is it because he likes to think of himself above the likes of us and is deserving of better treatment? we don't know. All I do know is that he's the only one who has had a season ticket 'refused'. and how come he can e-mail and phone senior members of the Club, when we have to contact customer services with our problems? I think what has happened is that he has come down to earth with a big BUMP and he is just a normal stakeholder like us. And so it should be. And we have still got our badge and crest. And that is from me, someone who hates the Trust and doesn't agree with most of what Nick and the other uber-fans do. BUT he is still a Saints fan and I don't like to see any Saints fan hard done by.
sticksaint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I don`t disagree with you.Two points then why didn`t his company reply to my e mail and why did they make an apology? *Didn`t they make an apology*
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I don`t disagree with you.Two points then why didn`t his company reply to my e mail and why did they make an apology? Clearly I can't answer as to why they didn't reply, you'd have to ask Nick himself. I think there was an apology of sorts on the UI site, although can fully understand if people thought that wasn't sufficient.
saint_mears Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 This just makes Nicola Cortese look a total idiot and validate previous stuff.
OldNick Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Of course, everything people write on the internet is true, and not part of a macho internet character building exercise From what Nick told me both before and after the event, he and a couple of others were merely acting as promoters for the event. The venue took the majority of the money, with some sort of middleman (presumably this Pompey connection?) taking a cut. Nick then paid commission to the people he had selling tickets. Doesn't seem to leave an awful lot left over, really. As I said to him the day after, it probably wasn't worth the hassle, really. A decent enough idea badly and somewhat naively executed, sadly. It may have been an honest mistake. Personally though as soon as I read that he had himself been to the place before and still bigged the event up, he lost his credibility on this subject. It was a disgrace
Gemmel Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 (edited) There are some truly staggering responses to this thread and lets just hope this nothing more than an administrive error, because if this is true then a part of SFC truly did die last year. Firstly the ones who spout "NI" isn't the voice of the fans and doesn't speak for me blah blah blah you are right and neither does he confess to, but like sheep, you all assume that he says the opposite and I think you will find he has tried to pass the "spokesman" batton on a number of times. I have not always agreed with his personal views on Saints and was never interested in joining the trust, but for those of you that find yourselves up north for a midweek game in the ****ing rain, if there is one other Saints fan you are likely to meet it's him. He doesn't need people sticking up for him and just as well, based on the responses of moronic, uneductaed, self centred idiots, that shamefully call themselves Saints fans......he's one of us FFS Edited 27 July, 2010 by Gemmel
sticksaint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Clearly I can't answer as to why they didn't reply, you'd have to ask Nick himself. I think there was an apology of sorts on the UI site, although can fully understand if people thought that wasn't sufficient. "Of sorts" Exactly! But like i said before i hope he gets his season ticket
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 It may have been an honest mistake. Personally though as soon as I read that he had himself been to the place before and still bigged the event up, he lost his credibility on this subject. It was a disgrace I've been to pubs, clubs, etc in the past which have seemed great with half a litre of vodka inside me but then turn out to be utter shíte when I'm sober - I'm sure most of us have had similar experiences No argument that it was a shambles, no spirits available at all, seemingly very little beer or cider on draught, and then charging the same amount for a can as they were for a pint of draught earlier was a complete sham. However, while Nick and co were promoters, and will ultimately take responsibility as the "point of sale", I find it difficult to levy blame on him for the venue's inability to have enough stock or staff behind the bar.
Thedelldays Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I've been to pubs, clubs, etc in the past which have seemed great with half a litre of vodka inside me but then turn out to be utter shíte when I'm sober - I'm sure most of us have had similar experiences No argument that it was a shambles, no spirits available at all, seemingly very little beer or cider on draught, and then charging the same amount for a can as they were for a pint of draught earlier was a complete sham. However, while Nick and co were promoters, and will ultimately take responsibility as the "point of sale", I find it difficult to levy blame on him for the venue's inability to have enough stock or staff behind the bar. the ex saint...???
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 There are some truly staggering responses to this thread and lets just hope this nothing more than an administrive error, because if this is true then a part of SFC truly did die last year. Firstly the ones who spout "NI" isn't the voice of the fans and doesn't speak for me blah blah blah you are right and neither does he confess to, but like sheep, you all assume that he says the opposite and I think you will find he has tried to pass the "spokesman" batton on a number of times. I have not always agreed with his personal views on Saints and was never interested in joining the trust, but for those of you that find yourselves up north for a midweek game in the ****ing rain, if there is one other Saints fan you are likely to meet it's him. He doesn't need people sticking up for him and just as well, based on the responses of moronic, uneductaed, self centred idiots, that shamefully call themselves Saints fans. This.
OldNick Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Firstly the ones who spout "NI" isn't the voice of the fans and doesn't speak for me blah blah blah you are right and neither does he confess to, but like sheep, you all assume that he says the opposite and I think you will find he has tried to pass the "spokesman" batton on a number of times. I have not always agreed with his personal views on Saints and was never interested in joining the trust, but for those of you that find yourselves up north for a midweek game in the ****ing rain, if there is one other Saints fan you are likely to meet it's him. He doesn't need people sticking up for him and just as well, based on the moronic, uneductaed, self centred idiots, that shamefully call themselves Saints fans. He doesn't have to answer the phone or put his mouth to the mike.He could politely say 'no thanks I'm busy' There is a vanity there and i suspect many on here secretly would be the voice of the fans if given the chance. To be fair to NI i don't think he has stirred this up, but the rumour got out and he had to respond, and he has done in a correct manner, leaving the door open to it being a genuine mistake. I won't be happy if he has been excluded as he has been going to watch us for many years, but there must be a reason for this action.
OldNick Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I've been to pubs, clubs, etc in the past which have seemed great with half a litre of vodka inside me but then turn out to be utter shíte when I'm sober - I'm sure most of us have had similar experiences No argument that it was a shambles, no spirits available at all, seemingly very little beer or cider on draught, and then charging the same amount for a can as they were for a pint of draught earlier was a complete sham. However, while Nick and co were promoters, and will ultimately take responsibility as the "point of sale", I find it difficult to levy blame on him for the venue's inability to have enough stock or staff behind the bar. How about the ex players, and the DJ? How they had touts selling tickets outside even though the event was sold out. Anyway Im trying to forget it, my brother and me had to buy 2 tickets off touts (fellow saints fans,Lol0 for £50 a pop as we couldnt leave our daughters at the 'Party' as planned so they could watch the game on the big screens at the club. it was Soweto without the friendliness
Colbury Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 He's a bit of a bellend by all accounts anyway, so no sympathy from me either.
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 And that is from me, someone who hates the Trust and doesn't agree with most of what Nick and the other uber-fans do. BUT he is still a Saints fan and I don't like to see any Saints fan hard done by. Sorry DBP I don't think you get the point of my post. And you have made assumptions as well. All your answers are based on what HE says and you show HIS website to back it up. We don't know what is behind this and too many people are either siding with him to have a go at the club, or berating him because they don't like him personally. In this matter I am remaining nuteral. I don't know why, and I don't care either way. All I am agrieved about is why he thinks he has the right to contact people in the club directly, when he is just a fan like us.
Saint Keith Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 There are some truly staggering responses to this thread and lets just hope this nothing more than an administrive error, because if this is true then a part of SFC truly did die last year. Firstly the ones who spout "NI" isn't the voice of the fans and doesn't speak for me blah blah blah you are right and neither does he confess to, but like sheep, you all assume that he says the opposite and I think you will find he has tried to pass the "spokesman" batton on a number of times. I have not always agreed with his personal views on Saints and was never interested in joining the trust, but for those of you that find yourselves up north for a midweek game in the ****ing rain, if there is one other Saints fan you are likely to meet it's him. He doesn't need people sticking up for him and just as well, based on the responses of moronic, uneductaed, self centred idiots, that shamefully call themselves Saints fans......he's one of us FFS sorry, how are you spelling that?
Gemmel Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 sorry, how are you spelling that? New sentances start with a capital, correct your grammar and I will be happy to respond
Wes Tender Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 So have I. And I am sure Southampton FC will realise they need The Echo more than The Echo need them. The Echo only have to come online to find some news to print, they can buy pictures of freelancers and still interview players or re-hash others. What the Echo can do is sway the feeling of the majority of fans through their storys away from the uber-fan bubble of this forum. I don't agree that the club need the Echo more than the other way around. The Echo need Saints fans to buy it to boost sales, but because any Saints fans can pick up any information they need through the OS, Radio Solent, The TV, on forums like this, the paper increasingly becomes an irrelevance. In fact, anything they care to publish on the Saints can also be read online, so who needs to buy their rag anyway? If you believe that the Saints need the Echo to increase attendances, you're wrong. Winning form will increase attendances by itself, whereas Echo sales have declined because they are no longer privvy to inside information that would have given the Exclusive banner headlines, that information now being old hat by the time the Echo picks up on it. They can't sway the feelings of Saints fans, apart from the more simple and suggestible of them. As to the more intelligent ones, any attempts to bad mouth Cortese or others running the club will just be dismissed as them having a sour grapes strop.
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 As with other subjects, the reason we're arguing and people are getting annoyed is that once again we don't have enough information to form a coherent opinion. That's the real problem and needs to be far clearer from the club. Here, Here.
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 They can't sway the feelings of Saints fans, apart from the more simple and suggestible of them. As to the more intelligent ones, any attempts to bad mouth Cortese or others running the club will just be dismissed as them having a sour grapes strop. Actually, I would say those who can't determine that the actual picture is a shade of grey rather than the black or white they're being fed with are the more "simple and suggestible" ones.
RedFear Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Of course, everything people write on the internet is true, and not part of a macho internet character building exercise From what Nick told me both before and after the event, he and a couple of others were merely acting as promoters for the event. The venue took the majority of the money, with some sort of middleman (presumably this Pompey connection?) taking a cut. Nick then paid commission to the people he had selling tickets. Doesn't seem to leave an awful lot left over, really. As I said to him the day after, it probably wasn't worth the hassle, really. A decent enough idea badly and somewhat naively executed, sadly. this pretty much sums up trust. its seems to be a regular occurance with anything they touch is the trust really still running? is there anyone left who takes any notice of it, let alone think it has any credibility?
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 is the trust really still running? is there anyone left who takes any notice of it, let alone think it has any credibility? If it had no credibility at all, do you think so many people would have an opinion on it?
Sour Mash Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 F**k me, this thread really does sum up the majority of people on this board. Short-sighted, with the "well I'm alright, so sod any other saints fans" attitude. I hope none of you have your enjoyment of following saints in anyway affected under Cortese's tenure, you better not complain if you do...........
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I have not always agreed with his personal views on Saints and was never interested in joining the trust, but for those of you that find yourselves up north for a midweek game in the ****ing rain, if there is one other Saints fan you are likely to meet it's him. He doesn't need people sticking up for him and just as well, based on the responses of moronic, uneductaed, self centred idiots, that shamefully call themselves Saints fans......he's one of us FFS Yes, one of us who deems to use his inside contacts at the club to complain about not getting his season ticket, who will be able to call a press conference on the non-receipt of the season ticket because he has spoken out. One who equates his questioning of the NC regieme with being cast out into the wilderness. one who equates the evil club for coming down on him hard for using a copy-righted image, with a purchase query. I'm just wondering. At what point did he try and contact customer services? Boy, i've got a big bug bear about this.
Marsdinho Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 If it had no credibility at all, do you think so many people would have an opinion on it? To be fair, most peoples opinion is that the Trust has no credibility.
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Yes, one of us who deems to use his inside contacts at the club to complain about not getting his season ticket I genuinely don't see why this is an issue. David Luker, presumably one of his many contacts within the club, would be the first port of call for many on here with ticketing issues. Why wouldn't Nick use what he perceives to be the most efficient way of resolving (or at least getting some sort of explanation for) his problem?
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 (edited) Firstly, can i just say that just because he is a saints fan doesn't mean i have to blindly follow everything he says, means i don't have to necessarily feel bad for him just because he supports the red and white, means i don't have to like him. I don't do that to family FFS but its up to you. I agree that i do feel sorry for any saints fans that have been hard done by, but just because they are saints fans doesn't mean i have to ignore circumstance. Anyways, looking at what has happened here, IF what he says is correct than this is very very wrong, not just because of the fact that he has been banned etc But because he has not even been given a reason for it, which i think is even worse than just being banned, the not knowing what has happened. But we don't know the reasons behind it at the moment so a lot of it is pure speculation, NI's problem is that he seems to enjoy sticking his nose in, appearing on the TV and writing blogs on the internet all in the public view, there is one thing sticking your head above the parapit and quite another getting out into no mans land and jumping around with your fingers up. The Saints trust is a dead entity, so why would SFC want to be openly associated with it ? I can understand that point, and could understand why they would want to distance themselves from a man that has go quite a clear anti-NC agenda. But that aside, as i said before, NC is on unsteady ground, IF he is going to act on the above then he really needs to atleast tell him why, not just leave him in the dark. For me NC's stewardship of the club has much more good points than bad, ok, publically and with his communication he isn't all that however he has brought the club stable footings a good team and a astute business sense. For me aswell he has not been proven wrong yet, some believed we would have not sold many ST's but the sales so far have blown that prediction out of the water. Edited 27 July, 2010 by Smirking_Saint
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 To be fair, most peoples opinion is that the Trust has no credibility. And yet you have a pop at other people for "talking on behalf of others"... the hypocrisy really is astounding.
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Can someone explain the 'silverspoons' episode?, I can. Nick and the Saints Trust were illegally smuggling in packet suger and were selling it cheap on street corners. The police called him, 'The Candy Man' And to maximise their profits they were caught 'Cutting it' with inferior Tate & Lyle sugar.
lordswoodsaints Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 It always amazes me how some fans/supporters think that the club owes them something when in reality they don't give a **** about us......just the money you spend. All the club want you to do is turn up on matchdays spend a shed load and fook off home.....in fact if they could get away with us just spending money and not turning up on matchdays they would be even happier.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Yes, one of us who deems to use his inside contacts at the club to complain about not getting his season ticket, who will be able to call a press conference on the non-receipt of the season ticket because he has spoken out. One who equates his questioning of the NC regieme with being cast out into the wilderness. one who equates the evil club for coming down on him hard for using a copy-righted image, with a purchase query. I'm just wondering. At what point did he try and contact customer services? Boy, i've got a big bug bear about this. It says quite clearly that he has been trying to contact the club by phone and email for 3 weeks and has recieved no response. And as for the images, it's pretty fakkin petty of the club to withdraw permission to both the ST and the Echo to use the images on their site/paper... just fakkin childish and petty... which is Cortese all over. What f*cking difference does it make if the Echo or other organisations use it? Seriously.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 5. Despite repeated e mailed requests to various members of senior management at the club and attempts to speak to them on the phone I again have received no reason for this happening or until yesterday anyone who would actually acknowledge my correspondence. Why's he trying to speak to "senior management" over a ticketing issue? Surely a trip to the ticket office or a phone call to the ticket office would result in an immediate response instead of pestering "senior management"? Maybe doing what any normal fan would do, as opposed to an uber-fan, may have been the better option. This whole episode seems unfortunate but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it until I hear both sides to the story. As I'm unlikely to hear the club's side of the story (it being none of my business), I doubt I will ever really care one way or the other.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 If it had no credibility at all, do you think so many people would have an opinion on it? Steve, what a terrible argument. Truly, a nonsense argument.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 It says quite clearly that he has been trying to contact the club by phone and email for 3 weeks and has recieved no response. And as for the images, it's pretty fakkin petty of the club to withdraw permission to both the ST and the Echo to use the images on their site/paper... just fakkin childish and petty... which is Cortese all over. What f*cking difference does it make if the Echo or other organisations use it? Seriously. No, it says he's been trying to contact "senior management". Bit strange, that. I think you'll find that many companies try to protect their branding. NI got slated on here for recent fan events. Do you think the club really want any risk of their own brand being associated with those events?
stevegrant Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Steve, what a terrible argument. Truly, a nonsense argument. Not really, if it genuinely was a complete irrelevance, nobody would give a toss about it and it wouldn't ever get discussed on here or on other forums.
Smirking_Saint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 It says quite clearly that he has been trying to contact the club by phone and email for 3 weeks and has recieved no response. And as for the images, it's pretty fakkin petty of the club to withdraw permission to both the ST and the Echo to use the images on their site/paper... just fakkin childish and petty... which is Cortese all over. What f*cking difference does it make if the Echo or other organisations use it? Seriously. Why would the club wish to 'allow' people permission to use their images if they are just going to post negativity and not listen to simple requests ?? The Echo needs the club more than the club needs it TBF and as for the trust......well they are a non-entity.
Marsdinho Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 And yet you have a pop at other people for "talking on behalf of others"... the hypocrisy really is astounding. It was a generalisation based on the many posts ive read on this forum, you show me a post where someone praises the work they do, and I ll show you 10 where they think they are useless. That to me suggests "most people". Although I havent actually conducted a poll, im confident I could guess the outcome.
benjii Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Not really, if it genuinely was a complete irrelevance, nobody would give a toss about it and it wouldn't ever get discussed on here or on other forums. Nah. Loads of things that get discussed on here are completely irrelevant. But that's not the point, we weren't talking about relevance, we were talking about credibility which is something quite different.
SaintBobby Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I don't know Nick Illingsworth at all. But I was furious about the Silverspoons fiasco and am still pursuing it. I did write to the club afterwards saying that I think they should take appropriate steps to try to ensure that no Saints fan could reach the erroneous conclusion that the Trust was in any way an official or licensed part of Southampton Football Club. Their behaviour over Silverspoons was embarrassing and outrageous. Being forceful in refusing to allow them to use the club crest etc is absolutely right and justified. I guess my opinion on this issue depends on: (a) if Illingsworth has actually been banned and, if so (b) why and for how long? I think, say, a one season ban from St Mary's because of Silverspoons would be entirely justified. But banning him for life on the grounds that "he's a bit of a bell end", would not be at all reasonable.
alpine_saint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 Dont like Nick but this is wrong. NC is obviously not a man to cross. And in getting his mug in the news again Nick fraternised with the Echo, who NC clearly hates. He also probably views the Trust and its correspondence as a damned nuisance.
beatlesaint Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I genuinely don't see why this is an issue. David Luker, presumably one of his many contacts within the club, would be the first port of call for many on here with ticketing issues. Why wouldn't Nick use what he perceives to be the most efficient way of resolving (or at least getting some sort of explanation for) his problem? Is David Luker still at the club ? All these people on the OS recently with these new jobs or new names for old jobs yet he hasn't appeared !
Secret Site Agent Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I genuinely don't see why this is an issue. David Luker, presumably one of his many contacts within the club, would be the first port of call for many on here with ticketing issues. Why wouldn't Nick use what he perceives to be the most efficient way of resolving (or at least getting some sort of explanation for) his problem? This is probably from a personal view but let me explain why. I work on the motorways and roads and sometimes outside peoples houses. There is a national hotline for complaints and information on roadworks called the HAIL line. If I was responsible for closure of The Avenue down to one lane on a Saturday, which in turn would cause heavy congestion on Thomas Lewis Way, you would all phone the HAIL line to say 'SSA is a C unt for doing this on a Saturday' and it would be logged and I would have to do SOMETHING about it, even if it is answer each one of you in turn and explain why it is done. But I would have to do something for all of you. Whereby Steve Grant phones me on my mobile, has a winge, and I let him drive down the emergency lane inside the cones unabashed. This is not exactly fair, as why does he deserve preferencial traetment? And how can the system be improved as his call isn't logged. And no, David Luker isn't my first port of call with ticketing issues. I just get the feeling it is with him: NI 'Dave, it's Nick. Where's my ****ing season ticket?' DL 'Have you contacted Customer services? What did the girl in the office say?' NI 'No I HAVEN'T contacted Customer Services. Don't you knew who I am?' Sorry, it is a bit personal, as the case above has happened so many times, (Corfe Mullen and Tangmere probably the worst) When people have contaced me, directly, at home,at night and weekends and on holiday,where they got my personal mobile number from i'll neveer know, because they want special treatment.
Sour Mash Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I don't know Nick Illingsworth at all. But I was furious about the Silverspoons fiasco and am still pursuing it. I did write to the club afterwards saying that I think they should take appropriate steps to try to ensure that no Saints fan could reach the erroneous conclusion that the Trust was in any way an official or licensed part of Southampton Football Club. Their behaviour over Silverspoons was embarrassing and outrageous. Being forceful in refusing to allow them to use the club crest etc is absolutely right and justified. I guess my opinion on this issue depends on: (a) if Illingsworth has actually been banned and, if so (b) why and for how long? I think, say, a one season ban from St Mary's because of Silverspoons would be entirely justified. But banning him for life on the grounds that "he's a bit of a bell end", would not be at all reasonable. Ha ha, was Silverspoons that bad?!!! I feel for any Saints fans who may have been ripped off in anyway, from what its heard it's always rubbish, hence my posts on here prior to the JPT final warning people off. If Illingsworth can be shown to have ripped off other Saints fans for his own profit, then he should be held accountable for that, but that is a seperate issue to all of this.....
Window Cleaner Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 I think, say, a one season ban from St Mary's because of Silverspoons would be entirely justified. But banning him for life on the grounds that "he's a bit of a bell end", would not be at all reasonable. Well I think you'll find this is pretty standard continental pratice, if you act the knob then most establishments have no qualms whatsoever in telling you to shove your money up your backside because they can well do without the hassle.I know of a restaurant in Lyon where the meat chef (and presumably the owner) tells client to **** off to Macdonalds if they ask for steak cooked beyond medium rare cos he doesn't waste good meat.
Pat from Poole Posted 27 July, 2010 Posted 27 July, 2010 This does not bother me. I support the club, always have and always will. Quite why there needs to be a Supporters Trust I will never understand. Just go along and watch your team and support them. If you want to engage in some friendly banter and debate, pop onto SWF every now and then. But thats it. People like Nick Illingsworth are troublesome busy-bodies, have too much time on their hands and can **** right off. Same goes for those that run the Echo. Well done Saints. If all Saints fans were like you, we'd still have Branfoot in charge. Give me strength.
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