hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Author Posted 31 July, 2010 You are leaping to conclusions. Nowhere is there a single mention that he has been banned from St Marys. In fact there is nothing to say his season ticket renewal was rejected, read the original post, only that moneys were allegedly refunded (if they were ever taken in the first place). The money was taken and then returned to him. Someone would have to have authorised that so his renewal was rejected.
Wes Tender Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 It's a civil liberty issue. No it isn't. Southampton is a club and clubs or associations don't have a legal obligation to admit people they don't want to.
buctootim Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 No it isn't. Southampton is a club and clubs or associations don't have a legal obligation to admit people they don't want to. Unlike the Saints Trust, where people are members even when they dont want to be!
John B Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 No it isn't. Southampton is a club and clubs or associations don't have a legal obligation to admit people they don't want to. Are you sure there must be something in the Human rights leglislation to stop arbitary banning of people
georgeweahscousin Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Because Saints Trust took in £20,000 of income for an event that was nothing like they advertised? The lack of contrition - and failure to reply to emails after months makes it much worse. People shouldnt be allowed to get away with that. I would love to know how you get on with this, I also e-mailed a complaint and received no reply.
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Author Posted 31 July, 2010 I would love to know how you get on with this, I also e-mailed a complaint and received no reply. As Nick has said that to his knowledge everyone who contacted him got a reply, I would imagine that the email address you ued was used by more than one person. If you email Nick directly (if I can get on theuglyinside then I will ask Nick for his email address) then he will be happy to talk to you about it.
VectisSaint Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 The money was taken and then returned to him. Someone would have to have authorised that so his renewal was rejected. How do you know that? Not saying you are wrong, just fascinated to know how you know.
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Author Posted 31 July, 2010 How do you know that? Not saying you are wrong, just fascinated to know how you know. 4. Shortly after the season ticket deadline I noticed that my money had been refunded by the club. I have to date recieved no correspondence from the club to explain this. There
OldNick Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 What did Nick say in the press before the ST money was returned?
VectisSaint Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 There OK, so the evidence you have is that Nick says so. Must be true then As I've said elsewhere, no-one on here knows anything for sure, but are willing to believe every word that is alleged by NI, who has an agenda, while berating NC & SFC. Personally as I have no facts make no judgements whatsover, but my gut feel is that there is more to this than meets the eye.
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Author Posted 31 July, 2010 so are you suggesting that nick has made this up despite not being the one who made it public?
OldNick Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 If the club feel certain fans are rabble rousing or in a way giving a negative slant that makes fans less likely to go to games, should they try and make it difficult for those said people to attend their business premises?
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Unlike the Saints Trust, where people are members even when they dont want to be! This annoys me because I was a member and then it lapsed and I asked him why the 838 members had remained as I didn't want to add weight to such an undemocratic organisation. He said that once you'd joined you couldn't unjoin which ****ed me off.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 If the club feel certain fans are rabble rousing or in a way giving a negative slant that makes fans less likely to go to games, should they try and make it difficult for those said people to attend their business premises? No. Football is about opinions. If Cortese was to come out and question the validity of the Saints Trust and Nick to spout on behalf of "ghost" members then i'd fully support him. Cortese would have a valid point and this is how you deal with such situations in a civilised society.
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Do we even know what you allege are facts? From the original post "Shortly after the season ticket deadline I noticed that my money had been refunded by the club". This does not say his renewal has been rejected, it could for other reasons, was his money actually taken initially, did he fill in his renewal form correctly, did his application miss the deadline, who knows? And who knows whether his emails and phone calls have been ignored, perhaps they have not even been sent. It does all seem a little strange, but some people seem to be more than willing to treat every word uttered by Illingsworth as fact, while having no eveidence, and every word uttered in defence of SFC or NC as lies, untruths or the work of Satan. Get a grip, NI is an outspoken critic of SFC, he puts himself in the spotlight and should not be surprised if he makes enemies and is not welcome at St Marys. I doubt that he would be refused a ticket if he tried to buy one for a match, unless he has been made the subject of a banning order, and in any case he could presumably get one of his mates (?) to buy one on his behalf. This is a non-story about a self-publicist who enjoys the limelight and is upset when the tables are turned on him. I wish him no ill-will (I really wouldn't know him from Adam, although vaguely recall his lame interviews on TV) but really he reaps what he sows. I'm starting to get fed up will people continuity asking for 'evidence' they very well know we're unlikely to ever receive . This world is a imperfect place unfortunately and we can only form opinions based on what we do know - not on what we don't . If you don't want to ever express a view with these acknowledged limitations in mind then a internet discussion forum is probably not the place for you . To answer your points in detail : 1 - As far as I'm aware no one disputes that Illingsworth did apply for a ST renewal and this has been (in effect) rejected - I ask again 'how often does that happen ? 2 - If some simple administrative error is the explanation then David Luker & his staff would have easily sorted it long ago . 3 - At no time have I ever said that those who think this is coincidental with NI's public criticism of club policy are 'liars'. If someone said they were being incredibly naive however .... 4 - Illingsworth has stated he has received no communication from the club to explain this situation - unless & until it's shown he's lying I'm taking that as true . 5 - The silence from the club regarding this matter in itself speaks volumes . 6 - Denying any fan a season ticket (even if he can obtain matchday tickets) is certainly a punitive measure as he would have to pay considerably more over the course of a season . 7 - You may find this a 'non story' (in which case you should stop posting on it) but I and many others it would seem disagree . 8 - If you really think it's acceptable a fan should be 'punished' merely for expressing a differing opinion to the official club view then again I really must beg to differ . If this were a court case and the defendant refused to offer any explanation of his actions or evidence in his own defence then the jury would feel entitled to draw their own conclusions from that silence . So until I do hear some kind of explanation from the club regarding this matter (which I doubt we ever will) then I shall continue to feel entitled to form by own opinion on what is really going on here . And that I'm sure you'll be glad to hear really has to be my final word on this subject .
OldNick Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 No. Football is about opinions. If Cortese was to come out and question the validity of the Saints Trust and Nick to spout on behalf of "ghost" members then i'd fully support him. Cortese would have a valid point and this is how you deal with such situations in a civilised society. Yes football is about opinions, those opinions are fine in a pub or in a social circle but if they are malicious (not that i believe NI would be party to that) and used in a damaging way against a bsiness then I feel the business has a right to try and stop that person from entering its premises. If a person is banned just because the owner does not like a fair point being aired then the business customers have a right to not support the business if they so feel.
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Yes football is about opinions, those opinions are fine in a pub or in a social circle but if they are malicious (not that i believe NI would be party to that) and used in a damaging way against a bsiness then I feel the business has a right to try and stop that person from entering its premises. If a person is banned just because the owner does not like a fair point being aired then the business customers have a right to not support the business if they so feel. Stop talking crap, a football club is not just a business, it's part of the community. That's why when it falls on hard times it's people like Ilingsworth that chuck their hard earned into a bucket to keep it going. I don't even like Illingsworth, I think he's an attention seeking bell-end, but to ban someone for voicing their opinion is simply just wrong.
OldNick Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Stop talking crap, a football club is not just a business, it's part of the community. That's why when it falls on hard times it's people like Ilingsworth that chuck their hard earned into a bucket to keep it going. I don't even like Illingsworth, I think he's an attention seeking bell-end, but to ban someone for voicing their opinion is simply just wrong. Sadly people who think that football is not a business are deluding themselves. When the club was very close to going out of existence where was the community then? Saintsaid showed to my disappointment that push come to shove the community did'nt give a toss. Where were the 50k fans who were at Wembley? Also don't talk to me about putting money into buckets when things were bad i donated 20 tickets at full face value to be given out to listeners on the Saint/Play radio just ot put money inthe lcub, i also supported the Saintsaid thing putting money into those buckets that the Saintsaid organised....have we heard where that money went by the way?
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Sadly people who think that football is not a business are deluding themselves. When the club was very close to going out of existence where was the community then? Saintsaid showed to my disappointment that push come to shove the community did'nt give a toss. Where were the 50k fans who were at Wembley? Also don't talk to me about putting money into buckets when things were bad i donated 20 tickets at full face value to be given out to listeners on the Saint/Play radio just ot put money inthe lcub, i also supported the Saintsaid thing putting money into those buckets that the Saintsaid organised....have we heard where that money went by the way? You say "where was the community" yet then go on to say how you and many others donated money - err... that is the community. You don't get people throwing money in buckets for any other businesses that face going under. A football club is a business AND part of the community, the two are not mutually exclusive. It was here long before, and will be here long after Cortese has gone.
OldNick Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 You say "where was the community" yet then go on to say how you and many others donated money - err... that is the community. You don't get people throwing money in buckets for any other businesses that face going under. A football club is a business AND part of the community, the two are not mutually exclusive. It was here long before, and will be here long after Cortese has gone. My idea of community for a population of over 200000 would be a darned sight more than the few fans who turned up that day. Frankly if it wasn't for Cortese the community club you talk about would not be there now. I agree that doesn't give him a right to do anything he likes, but it certainly gives him lots of slack in my book.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I don't even like Illingsworth, I think he's an attention seeking bell-end, but to ban someone for voicing their opinion is simply just wrong. I wouldn't go as far as saying I don't like Nick - he comes across as a likeable person, but apart from that comment you've got it spot on.
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 As Nick has said that to his knowledge everyone who contacted him got a reply, I would imagine that the email address you ued was used by more than one person. If you email Nick directly (if I can get on theuglyinside then I will ask Nick for his email address) then he will be happy to talk to you about it. Thanks - as mentioned elsewhere - if anyone can provide with with an email address for the Trust/Nick Illingsworth that might actually elicit a reply, I'd be grateful. Please PM me. I did receive an initial reply. The reply said they would address my complaint in full within about a week. That was about 14 weeks ago. I have received nothing since. Simply receiving a holding reply doesn't constitute dealing with the complaint. It's not just the £60 I was mugged for - it's the complete lack of contrition and basic courtesy that is also so galling.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 i also supported the Saintsaid thing putting money into those buckets that the Saintsaid organised....have we heard where that money went by the way? I didn't support saintsaid because a) chucking a few coppers in a bucket was utterly futile, b) i saw several names on the organising committee that re-inforced this view, c) i knew (made the correct judgement) that the saintsaid event would be a flop compounding a and due to b, d) objected in principle to donating money to a business where the core employees are grossly overpaid. As to where the money went I think in true "SFC fan organised fashion" the event made a loss.
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 My idea of community for a population of over 200000 would be a darned sight more than the few fans who turned up that day. Frankly if it wasn't for Cortese the community club you talk about would not be there now. I agree that doesn't give him a right to do anything he likes, but it certainly gives him lots of slack in my book. community (noun) - the people living in one particular area or people who are considered as a unit because of their common interests, social group or nationality. Would a church stop being part of a community if only a few people turned up? I'm glad Leibherr bought the club but if he hadn't someone else would have. There will always be a football club in Southampton, just like there will always be one in Portsmouth.
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I'm starting to get fed up will people continuity asking for 'evidence' they very well know we're unlikely to ever receive . This world is a imperfect place unfortunately and we can only form opinions based on what we do know - not on what we don't . If you don't want to ever express a view with these acknowledged limitations in mind then a internet discussion forum is probably not the place for you . To answer your points in detail : 1 - As far as I'm aware no one disputes that Illingsworth did apply for a ST renewal and this has been (in effect) rejected - I ask again 'how often does that happen ? 2 - If some simple administrative error is the explanation then David Luker & his staff would have easily sorted it long ago . 3 - At no time have I ever said that those who think this is coincidental with NI's public criticism of club policy are 'liars'. If someone said they were being incredibly naive however .... 4 - Illingsworth has stated he has received no communication from the club to explain this situation - unless & until it's shown he's lying I'm taking that as true . 5 - The silence from the club regarding this matter in itself speaks volumes . 6 - Denying any fan a season ticket (even if he can obtain matchday tickets) is certainly a punitive measure as he would have to pay considerably more over the course of a season . 7 - You may find this a 'non story' (in which case you should stop posting on it) but I and many others it would seem disagree . 8 - If you really think it's acceptable a fan should be 'punished' merely for expressing a differing opinion to the official club view then again I really must beg to differ . If this were a court case and the defendant refused to offer any explanation of his actions or evidence in his own defence then the jury would feel entitled to draw their own conclusions from that silence . So until I do hear some kind of explanation from the club regarding this matter (which I doubt we ever will) then I shall continue to feel entitled to form by own opinion on what is really going on here . And that I'm sure you'll be glad to hear really has to be my final word on this subject . I agree with those that say Illingsworth has probably been blocked/banned (i.e. it is unlikely to be an administrative error). However, we know that the club have had a number of complaints against him (for instance, unauthorised use of the club's crest/logo). I'm pleased the club came down hard on this. After the Silverspoons fiasco, I wrote to the club asking them to take all possible actions to ensure that the Saints Trust was not seen, or likely to be seen, as officially sanctioned by the club. This - or other disputes - may have at least contributed to a decision to not sell him a season ticket. Especially if these disputes have been protracted and antagonistic.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 (edited) I agree with those that say Illingsworth has probably been blocked/banned (i.e. it is unlikely to be an administrative error). However, we know that the club have had a number of complaints against him (for instance, unauthorised use of the club's crest/logo). I'm pleased the club came down hard on this. After the Silverspoons fiasco, I wrote to the club asking them to take all possible actions to ensure that the Saints Trust was not seen, or likely to be seen, as officially sanctioned by the club. This - or other disputes - may have at least contributed to a decision to not sell him a season ticket. Especially if these disputes have been protracted and antagonistic. Are you sure the Saints Trust (not that it really exists) was marketed as organising the Silverpoon event or was it, as I believe (perhaps i'm wrong) a private business venture promoted by Nick and one or two others. Edited because I may have been mistake about the name of the user who promoted the silversppon event on here, can anyone remember who it was? Edited 31 July, 2010 by dune
saint_mears Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I agree with those that say Illingsworth has probably been blocked/banned (i.e. it is unlikely to be an administrative error). However, we know that the club have had a number of complaints against him (for instance, unauthorised use of the club's crest/logo). I'm pleased the club came down hard on this. After the Silverspoons fiasco, I wrote to the club asking them to take all possible actions to ensure that the Saints Trust was not seen, or likely to be seen, as officially sanctioned by the club. This - or other disputes - may have at least contributed to a decision to not sell him a season ticket. Especially if these disputes have been protracted and antagonistic. Being pulled up about the use of the crest is totally petty and childish. The Silverspoons event had nothing whatsoever to do with the trust and SFC and was organised by people called COYR ? What a sad world we live in when people like you write to the club and complain about something that has nothing whatsoever to do with them.
Wes Tender Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 community (noun) - the people living in one particular area or people who are considered as a unit because of their common interests, social group or nationality. Would a church stop being part of a community if only a few people turned up? I'm glad Leibherr bought the club but if he hadn't someone else would have. There will always be a football club in Southampton, just like there will always be one in Portsmouth. If Liebherr hadn't bought the club, then yes, somebody else probably would have. Let's see; somebody like Pinnacle, minor businessmen living at home with their mother, photocopier salesmen, those were the sort of tyre-kickers we had attracted before ML appeared on the scene. Alternatively of course, we could equally end up with the sort of penniless Arabs, fallen despots, Iron Curtain Mafia or illegal arms dealers that have been associated with them down the road. Instead, we have an owner wealthier than the people who own Liverpool and ManUre. I think that I'm quite content personally that we didn't have to take the chance on anybody else.
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Being pulled up about the use of the crest is totally petty and childish. The Silverspoons event had nothing whatsoever to do with the trust and SFC and was organised by people called COYR ? What a sad world we live in when people like you write to the club and complain about something that has nothing whatsoever to do with them. Same people involved, just a different branding. I think the club are right to protect their intellectual property in any event.
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 If Liebherr hadn't bought the club, then yes, somebody else probably would have. Let's see; somebody like Pinnacle, minor businessmen living at home with their mother, photocopier salesmen, those were the sort of tyre-kickers we had attracted before ML appeared on the scene. Alternatively of course, we could equally end up with the sort of penniless Arabs, fallen despots, Iron Curtain Mafia or illegal arms dealers that have been associated with them down the road. Instead, we have an owner wealthier than the people who own Liverpool and ManUre. I think that I'm quite content personally that we didn't have to take the chance on anybody else. So am I, it couldn't have worked out better. Still doesn't make it right to ban fans for their opinions.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Same people involved, just a different branding. I think the club are right to protect their intellectual property in any event. Nick was involved in both, who else was? Or are you just pretending to know what you're on about?
saint_mears Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Same people involved, just a different branding. I think the club are right to protect their intellectual property in any event. So are you demanding this forum take down the crest or any user who has it on avatar ? What about those that have Saints tattoo's ? LOL It was never a problem until Cortese turned up eh
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Strictly speaking they can stop the Echo or this website using their crest. It would be a pretty retarded marketing policy though because they are just getting free promotion. It's a different story if you are producing TShirts etc with the crest on though.
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 So are you demanding this forum take down the crest or any user who has it on avatar ? What about those that have Saints tattoo's ? LOL It was never a problem until Cortese turned up eh Protecting your intellectual property doesn't mean banning everyone from using it in any circumstances. Popular, mainstream bands like Coca Cola or Guinness are utterly ruthless though in shutting down the use of their imagery on unofficial sites. I think they are right to stop Saints Trust using the logo. Nick Illingsworth has every right to express oppositional views about Cortese/the club management, but in turn Cortese has every right to stop him using the club's official branding.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I think they are right to stop Saints Trust using the logo. That's a toughie. Under normal circumstances i'd be against such a petty move, and if the club had done this when the Trust was legitimate, i.e when it had active real members, i'd have been strongly oposed, but given the Trust is now just a brand to platform what Nick (and maybe a few of his mates) think it is kind of understandable in a childish sense for Cortese to take this stance. It's still petty though and I would rather he had behaved more like a grown up and challenged Nick and the Trust on the fundamental point of his and its legitimacy to issue statements.
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I think stopping them using the logo is pointless, petty and does nothing but have a negative effect on the Southampton FC brand. SFC is not Coca-Cola, the brand has zero value outside our part of hampshire and that wont change one bit unless we get to the Prem and invest Chelsea style.
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I think stopping them using the logo is pointless, petty and does nothing but have a negative effect on the Southampton FC brand. SFC is not Coca-Cola, the brand has zero value outside our part of hampshire and that wont change one bit unless we get to the Prem and invest Chelsea style. Don't agree on the club's brand being worth zero (outside of Hants). Also, it's worth quite a lot inside of Hants. Sure, Saints aren't Coca Cola, but then I guess they don't have a squad of IP lawyers or brand managers either. If they believe the branding is being used in a way that is bad for the club, they should stop the branding being used. This might be petty in any given instance. But it isn't definitionally petty.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 I think stopping them using the logo is pointless, petty and does nothing but have a negative effect on the Southampton FC brand. SFC is not Coca-Cola, the brand has zero value outside our part of hampshire and that wont change one bit unless we get to the Prem and invest Chelsea style. Is it just me that thinks Cortese may well be a whizz kid ina behind the scenes position (he was a dogs ******** banker) but he is not a good CEO? I do not this judgement lightly, but base it on what I have seen and heard with my own eyes. And i'm not ITK or anyone of that ****, all i've got to form a view is stuff in the public domain and rumours and I know basing any judgement on rumours is questionable and people with anti cortese itk views may well have axes to grind or their sources axes to grind (some of these rumours if not just made up **** will have come from small time club employees) but when I put together the factual stuff with the bad rumours the picture tallies with my own gut judgement. I'm just a normal (well actually sod that not normal - i'm special - my mum says so ;-)) fan with a bit of life experience and i've worked for several really good ceo's (if that is the title Cortese has - it's irrelevent if it's not cos the gist is the same) and they've all been smart guys, ruthless without a doubt, but outwardly and inwardly sound as a pound and the sort of guys that are fair and wise. Because of these traits they are figure heads able to unite accross the spectrum. Cortese isn't like that and for that reason he will never be A class (to use acting terminology. Mr Liebherr on the other hand is ****ing brilliant and the sor of man anyone would get on with and adore. Maybe i've compltely got all this wrong and Cortese is what is needed, but I don't think I have for the simple reason that Mr Liebherr is so ellusive so there isn't on the face of it the nice guy figurehead to look up to and inspire everyone. I genuinely admire Mr Liebherr and am so grateful to him and when he took those photos at Wembley I thought top man, but we need him to step in somewhere U think - maybe just have a chat with Nicola - pat him on the back, realise he's young and driven and desperate to impress, but sit sit him on his knee and pass him a worthers and give him a big hug.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 So are you demanding this forum take down the crest or any user who has it on avatar ? What about those that have Saints tattoo's ? LOL It was never a problem until Cortese turned up eh I reckon you should become a full member mate.
aintforever Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Don't agree on the club's brand being worth zero (outside of Hants). Also, it's worth quite a lot inside of Hants. Sure, Saints aren't Coca Cola, but then I guess they don't have a squad of IP lawyers or brand managers either. If they believe the branding is being used in a way that is bad for the club, they should stop the branding being used. This might be petty in any given instance. But it isn't definitionally petty. It's not really a big issue but I don't see how the Saints Trust having the clubs logo on their site is bad for the club. A brand is not a logo, it's about how the company is perceived. When Richard Branson does something for charity the Virgin brand gains value. When the SFC chairman threatens a bunch of old Saints fans with court action it devalues it IMO, especially when the business's entire market is Saints fans. Instead of having Nike's "just do it" we might as well adopt "just **** off" as SFC's strapline.
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 we might as well adopt "just **** off" as SFC's strapline. That is genious. I love it.
Turkish Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 Nick has not been banned from SMS, saw him in the Kingsland today.
Secret Site Agent Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 (edited) To answer your points in detail : 1 - As far as I'm aware no one disputes that Illingsworth did apply for a ST renewal and this has been (in effect) rejected - I ask again 'how often does that happen ?I dispute the fact it was rejected 2 - If some simple administrative error is the explanation then David Luker & his staff would have easily sorted it long ago . The reason why he hasn't been sorted is perhaps that instead of contacting the ticket office he has phones SENIOR MANAGEMENT because he arrogantly believes he is above the normal fan and hasn't got time for the lowley ticket office 3 - At no time have I ever said that those who think this is coincidental with NI's public criticism of club policy are 'liars'. If someone said they were being incredibly naive however .... 4 - Illingsworth has stated he has received no communication from the club to explain this situation - unless & until it's shown he's lying I'm taking that as true .The reason he hasn't recieved an answer is the SENIOR MANAGEMENT have better things to do than chase after the wims of self serving egotisticals who think they are above the normal fan 5 - The silence from the club regarding this matter in itself speaks volumes . Yes. It's a non story that matters not one iota. 6 - Denying any fan a season ticket (even if he can obtain matchday tickets) is certainly a punitive measure as he would have to pay considerably more over the course of a season .[I]He han't been denied a season ticket. Where is the evience? Copies of e-mails sent to the club?[/i] 7 - You may find this a 'non story' (in which case you should stop posting on it) but I and many others it would seem disagree . My only bug bear is that he demands to be treated different from us. I have my season ticket and if i didn't i wouldn't act like him. His fame and inportatnts is slowly slipping away and he doesn't like it 8 - If you really think it's acceptable a fan should be 'punished' merely for expressing a differing opinion to the official club view then again I really must beg to differ . [I]Still don't believe that the club even consider him important enough to refuse his season ticket[/i] If this were a court case and the defendant refused to offer any explanation of his actions or evidence in his own defence then the jury would feel entitled to draw their own conclusions from that silence . NO a jury cannot form conclusions from silence. only inferences. the evidence in this case is only hearsay from one witness and not even circumstantial.. and that is what i think Edited 31 July, 2010 by Secret Site Agent
Secret Site Agent Posted 31 July, 2010 Posted 31 July, 2010 (edited) At the moment there is a very delicate situation going on between myself and the Saints Web, whilst I am loathe to comment for obvious reasons I think it’s pertinent to make sure that the facts are not distorted. 1. After the payment to post on this website was introduced, the SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST issued a statement requesting the admin to reconsider, this statement was printed in part by the Beano and also on the toilet walls in various pubs. A letter was written on the back of a Chinese menu and sent to Steve Grant, Ponty, and Exit2 requesting a meeting and received a phone call acknowledgement that this had been received and could I deliver 2 sweet and sour, 1 spare ribs Hong Kong style and some noodles. 2. The SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST received no reply from the website admins regarding the statement, the request for a meeting, the graffiti in the toilets, or my offer to tarmac their drives cheaply as I have some tarmac left over, guv’nor I can do you a good deal. 3. The SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST then received other correspondence from the website regarding other matters, the Trust complied with the website’s request to take down the ‘I Heart St. Landrew’ badge amongst other badges and patches off of its Hi-Vis site safety jacket, indeed the SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST removed the entire jacket and put on a hi-vis vest to ensure that there could be no confusion, even though it was cold and looked like it could rain at any stage. 4. Shortly after the deadline I noticed that my money had been refunded by the website back onto my Visa Debit Bank Card. I have to date received no correspondence from the website to explain this. 5. Despite repeated e-mailed requests to various members of senior managements friends, relations and work colleagues, (Including Arizonas God father,baj’s mother-in-law, The Admiral of the fleet to speak to DS Mills, MOSS from the IT Crowd to speak to Exit2, the SuperNoodleSaints group to speak to Ponty) at the website and attempts to speak to them by shouting very loud in the Northam Stand on Saturday, I again have received no reason for this happening or until yesterday anyone who would actually acknowledge my correspondence. At present I do not have a membership for the forthcoming season, this is the first time this has been the case in approximately 2 years, indeed since I first entered the SaintsFoverever, nearly 9 years ago I would hazard a guess that I have missed no more than around 20 posts from Alpinesaint and Miserable old git. I have no idea what is going on, so I cannot give a reason as to what has happened so I am loathe to comment further at present. Oh wait. I used my Barclaycard………..Oh, yes. There’s the payment. Silly me. I can post after all. Erm, sorry everyone. (This is a dramatization. May not have happened. Any relationship to anyone alive, dead, or Admin of this site is purely co-incidental and is in the tradition of satire.) Edited 31 July, 2010 by Secret Site Agent
Marsdinho Posted 1 August, 2010 Posted 1 August, 2010 So are you demanding this forum take down the crest or any user who has it on avatar ? What about those that have Saints tattoo's ? LOL It was never a problem until Cortese turned up eh No, but lack of money was, I know where Id rather be.
Bearsy Posted 1 August, 2010 Posted 1 August, 2010 Surely getting a full refund is a good thing? After all, we didn't get promoted. A very nice gesture by NC. Does anyone know when the rest of the refunds will be issued?
saint_mears Posted 1 August, 2010 Posted 1 August, 2010 No, but lack of money was, I know where Id rather be. I cannot see the link between a lack of money and someone having a season ticket withdrawn from sale.
Norm Posted 1 August, 2010 Posted 1 August, 2010 At the moment there is a very delicate situation going on between myself and the Saints Web, whilst I am loathe to comment for obvious reasons I think it’s pertinent to make sure that the facts are not distorted. 1. After the payment to post on this website was introduced, the SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST issued a statement requesting the admin to reconsider, this statement was printed in part by the Beano and also on the toilet walls in various pubs. A letter was written on the back of a Chinese menu and sent to Steve Grant, Ponty, and Exit2 requesting a meeting and received a phone call acknowledgement that this had been received and could I deliver 2 sweet and sour, 1 spare ribs Hong Kong style and some noodles. 2. The SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST received no reply from the website admins regarding the statement, the request for a meeting, the graffiti in the toilets, or my offer to tarmac their drives cheaply as I have some tarmac left over, guv’nor I can do you a good deal. 3. The SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST then received other correspondence from the website regarding other matters, the Trust complied with the website’s request to take down the ‘I Heart St. Landrew’ badge amongst other badges and patches off of its Hi-Vis site safety jacket, indeed the SECRET SITE AGENT TRUST removed the entire jacket and put on a hi-vis vest to ensure that there could be no confusion, even though it was cold and looked like it could rain at any stage. 4. Shortly after the deadline I noticed that my money had been refunded by the website back onto my Visa Debit Bank Card. I have to date received no correspondence from the website to explain this. 5. Despite repeated e-mailed requests to various members of senior managements friends, relations and work colleagues, (Including Arizonas God father,baj’s mother-in-law, The Admiral of the fleet to speak to DS Mills, MOSS from the IT Crowd to speak to Exit2, the SuperNoodleSaints group to speak to Ponty) at the website and attempts to speak to them by shouting very loud in the Northam Stand on Saturday, I again have received no reason for this happening or until yesterday anyone who would actually acknowledge my correspondence. At present I do not have a membership for the forthcoming season, this is the first time this has been the case in approximately 2 years, indeed since I first entered the SaintsFoverever, nearly 9 years ago I would hazard a guess that I have missed no more than around 20 posts from Alpinesaint and Miserable old git. I have no idea what is going on, so I cannot give a reason as to what has happened so I am loathe to comment further at present. Oh wait. I used my Barclaycard………..Oh, yes. There’s the payment. Silly me. I can post after all. Erm, sorry everyone. (This is a dramatization. May not have happened. Any relationship to anyone alive, dead, or Admin of this site is purely co-incidental and is in the tradition of satire.) I'm disgusted with myself for wasting two minutes reading this!
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