Hamilton Saint Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 FYI: You know that a "fact" that is introduced in capital letters as a FACT is not actually a fact - it is a truthiness. A real fact is, in fact, true. It is so true that it is able to stand alone in its lower case. True. HTH
Saint George Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 heh...Well at least we got to see NC's position on the Saint's Trust lol No fan on the board for you!....
dune Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Is there a lynch mob? I can't see that here. I know you don't like SRS or Dune, I can see how they might wind people up, but if you see past that, there is a genuine issue to be discussed here. It probably has been blown a bit out of proportion, but the reason I've posted so much on this thread is not the rights and wrongs of NI or even the rights or wrongs of him having his season ticket revoked, but the apparent excitement some Saints fans seem to show at the chance to show their "who cares" "sod him" "doesn't effect me" attitude. As it goes the feeling is mutual. VFTT calls me a Nazi, yet he's the one who uses derogatory terms to describe disabled/handicapped people (and to think he's actually working in the edication sector - it beggars belief) and he is the one who tries to get people banned for expressing views he doesn't like because democracy and freedom of speech are fine so long as you say what he says. He's so full of himself that he cannot see himself for what he is.
Daren W Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Would it be pertinent of me to remind people we're talking about a football club here (aka a leisure activity) rather than something akin to life or death. Why do people (on both sides of an arbitrary argument) get so worked up about something so trivial as a football team???? So why do you post on here? (and get worked up I hasten to add)
toofarnorth Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 LOL Oh dear... read the whole thread then you will know that his first port of call was David Luker. F*ck that. I've got a life.
trousers Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 So why do you post on here? (and get worked up I hasten to add) I post on here for the same reasons I watch football. It's just another leisure activity. Me? Worked up? FFS Source? I come on here to unwind. FFS ;-)
trousers Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 So why do you post on here? (and get worked up I hasten to add) P.S. It is possible to get worked up by trivial things. Ever tried convincing people that Boxing Day is not always the day after Christmas Day? Drives me nuts (so to speak). Nuts at Christmas? WTF is that all about? FFS
Secret Site Agent Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 It's the same old people ranting on here in support of Cortese and will shout down anyone who has a bad word to say about their saviour, without actually looking at the facts. That goes both ways you know. including making assumptions that border on the extreme to prove your theory
Daren W Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Not this sh*te again. Why should i blindly defend ANYONE ?? Let alone just because they are a saints fan, without knowing all of the issues, if a Saints fan commited murder, do i still accept it ? Because he is a saints fan ? Thats crap. I feel sorry for him, i really do but in the cold light of day we don't know the reasons behind it and there is ALWAYS a reason. I can't see NC just engaging in some sort of scattergun bannings. As for free speech, thats a ton of crap as well, where does it end ? If a terrorist is actively calling on people to kill the english in this country should they be let off ? Do holocaust deniers get let off because of free speech ?? So If i was outside my gym, calling it sh*t to anyone that would listen, write blogs about it, contact the paper and slag it off, call the manager a w*nker would you not expect me to be politely told to get stuffed ?? Get a grip Again, why should anyone blindly defend Cortese? We all know that no one knows the truth behind all of this but until the club actually tells Nick if he's allowed a season ticket or not then we have no choice but to accept one side of the argument. You can't say "Well we only know one side of the story" when the other side apparently refuses to speak... It's amazing that people on here can slag off people for alledgedly "blindly hating Cortese" whilst blindly accepting everything he does... Like it or not the club's decision to withdraw Half season tickets and installment plans at no notice, after promising they would be kept, was wrong and it affected a sizeable section of the fanbase. Just because it didn't affect some doesn't make it right. Cortese has made some mistakes but at the moment they are outweighed by the things he's done right but don't sit there saying we shouldn't blindly accept one side when so many people have done just that... on both sides of the fence. FWIW If the banning order is because of the Silverspoons fiasco then ok, I can understand it. If it's because of Nick's opinions on ticketing matters etc then that's unbelievably wrong. All those people currently turning a blind eye, ask yourself if it happens to you would you expect people to sympathise? If you do then perhaps you should all look at your comments on Nick. Just because you don't like him doesn't make the clubs (alledged) actions right..
Daren W Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 I post on here for the same reasons I watch football. It's just another leisure activity. Me? Worked up? FFS Source? I come on here to unwind. FFS ;-) Feck me, what are you like when you're wound up? lol
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 I'd say, on the face of it, Illingsworth probably has been banned (or, at least, refused a season ticket) beacuse of his public pronoucements. No, I'm not certain of this. No, I haven't heard the club's position, I've only heard one side. And even then, it's incomplete. There are dozens of other possible explanations. But it is probably reasonable to believe at this stage that he's been blocked because he's a perceived troublemaker. That's what I believe, until more evidence comes to light. I reserve the right to change my mind at any time, but I dont need 100% of the facts - or even 50% of them - before Im willing to form a belief. This . I've never seen this forum so (apparently) concerned about obtaining a standard of evidence you'd require for a court case before some of you are prepared to risk an opinion . Most of you have been following this club quite long enough to have developed a feel for what's really going on behind the scenes at SFC - use your judgment . The 'we don't know all the facts' defence of what is clearly an indefensible attack on all our freedom of speech seems a tad (too) convenient as we are highly unlikely to ever hear a full verbatim account from both sides of this matter . So until CSI Southampton uncovers all the hidden case papers and tape recordings you will just have to use your judgment . It could just be a bizarre coincidence that Illingsworth has had his ST renewal rejected a matter of days after he criticized the club in the press - I don't believe it . It could just be an administrative error in the ticket office & a new ST is in the post to Illingsworth as we speak - I don't believe it . It could be that Nicola Cortese is a true democrat and he welcomes the freedom of the press and open debate about the way he's running the club - I don't believe it . I don't believe any of these things , what is more I don't really believe many of you do either in your heart of hearts . I do believe that what we're seeing here from so many of you is a naive at best -disingenuous at worst- argument that is being employed primarily in an attempt to avoid confronting the brutal reality that our Chairman may not be quite the wonderful Human Being we were all hoping for after the demise of his detested predecessor . Unfortunately it would seem that Mr Cortese has 'feet of clay' afterall - just like the rest of us .
NickG Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 don't think anyone is saying he is a great humanitarian, and we will all be concerned if he sacks Pardew 3 games in etc. He clearly is not worried about personal popularity. He wants to deliver a successful club.
miserableoldgit Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 This . I've never seen this forum so (apparently) concerned about obtaining a standard of evidence you'd require for a court case before some of you are prepared to risk an opinion . Most of you have been following this club quite long enough to have developed a feel for what's really going on behind the scenes at SFC - use your judgment . The 'we don't know all the facts' defence of what is clearly an indefensible attack on all our freedom of speech seems a tad (too) convenient as we are highly unlikely to ever hear a full verbatim account from both sides of this matter . So until CSI Southampton uncovers all the hidden case papers and tape recordings you will just have to use your judgment . It could just be a bizarre coincidence that Illingsworth has had his ST renewal rejected a matter of days after he criticized the club in the press - I don't believe it . It could just be an administrative error in the ticket office & a new ST is in the post to Illingsworth as we speak - I don't believe it . It could be that Nicola Cortese is a true democrat and he welcomes the freedom of the press and open debate about the way he's running the club - I don't believe it . I don't believe any of these things , what is more I don't really believe many of you do either in your heart of hearts . I do believe that what we're seeing here from so many of you is a naive at best -disingenuous at worst- argument that is being employed primarily in an attempt to avoid confronting the brutal reality that our Chairman may not be quite the wonderful Human Being we were all hoping for after the demise of his detested predecessor . Unfortunately it would seem that Mr Cortese has 'feet of clay' afterall - just like the rest of us . Opinions are like ass-holes - everybody`s got one - and that is perfectly fine and how it should be. My problem is those posters who present their opinions as fact, without knowing the truth of a situation. Sadly, those same posters are generally unable to put their hands up and say "Sorry - I got it wrong" sometimes.
Secret Site Agent Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Hmmm... you are talking about a man that rents a house off a former Saints player, decides he doesn't like the ex-Saints player / landlords carpets, so rips them up and puts in laminate flooring down without even speaking to him, before deducting the costs he incurred off the rent he paid one month. I really wouldn't put it past Cortese. Not at all. Where do you get all this from? No independant evidence, no corroboration, nothing to rein force what you are saying. And what is your agenda? What would your ultimate goal be? Do you want Lowe,(sorry Corteze) out? Do you want marcus to go? Are you xenephobic? Who should replace them? I think all this **** that Corteze did this, Corteze did that is ******s. I think I can understand why he does soemthings, and others I am stumped on. The only think we can do is trust and have faith, debate and surmise and live with any decisions that are made. Our food comes in the same size pakaging but the contents are smaller. We can all sign upto broadband that gives us upto 20 meg download speed, but in reality is lucky if it is 2 meg. All you can do is understand that this is a businessman who has a job to do and he doesn't give a flying **** about NI season ticket, or who parks where, or installment plans. That was the old regieme, this is the new. All he is lookig to do is establish us as a force to be reckoned with on the pitch, and a self-sustaining stable business with little need for outside input of cash. So that if Marcus finds 1 m quid in the back pocket of his jeans before puting them in the wash and gives it to Nicola, we don't all go 'Wehey we got a miilion to spend on (insert position here).' only to find we can only spend 1/4 of it becasue 3/4 is needed to pay the tax bill. If they ever go, at least we will not be in the same place as when they came. The only thing we can do is vote with our feet. Think of it this way. The Tories are going to cut funding to all sorts of government departments. My concern is the funding to the HA and EA as this is a big revenue stream for my company and job security for me and mine. I still voted for the Tories as I witnesses the financial stimulus money that was supposed to keep people in jobs mostly go to designers.
Secret Site Agent Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 If anyone else is ignored by the club perhaps it'd be worth trying to contact Markus Liebherr. http://www.mali-group.com/en/contact/ On the above link you can email, and there is the address and phone number if you wish to write. Shouldn't you pass this onto Nick, oh, don't bother I am sure he has already e-mailed him about his ticket plight.
Wes Tender Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 The 'we don't know all the facts' defence of what is clearly an indefensible attack on all our freedom of speech seems a tad (too) convenient as we are highly unlikely to ever hear a full verbatim account from both sides of this matter . So until CSI Southampton uncovers all the hidden case papers and tape recordings you will just have to use your judgment . First you admit that we don't know all the facts and are unlikely to. Then you go and make the statement that there has clearly been an indefensible attack on all our freedom of speech. There HAS NOT clearly been an attack on all of our freedom of speech. This is exactly the problem with many of the posts on this thread, assumptions are made, conclusions are drawn from scanty or inconclusive evidence. If you draw your own conclusions based on what you have heard from one side, bully for you. But don't disparage those who will not draw the same conclusions without further evidence from both sides. Everybody has feet of clay, including you and me.
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 don't think anyone is saying he is a great humanitarian, and we will all be concerned if he sacks Pardew 3 games in etc. He clearly is not worried about personal popularity. He wants to deliver a successful club. So with that in mind, that he wants a successful club as much as you do, will you meekly accept him sacking AP if it happens, or will you mewl and puke about it on here ? This IS different from Lowe. Lowe was only interested in the power. Cortese is, im my opinion, really trying to make the club a success. He may be doing it in a Thatcherite manner, but after the last 13 years of Labour, maybe that way didnt look so bad either...
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Perhaps DBP wants to be banned from SMS so he can spend more time with his skate lady friend ???
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 So with that in mind, that he wants a successful club as much as you do, will you meekly accept him sacking AP if it happens, or will you mewl and puke about it on here ? This IS different from Lowe. Lowe was only interested in the power. Cortese is, im my opinion, really trying to make the club a success. He may be doing it in a Thatcherite manner, but after the last 13 years of Labour, maybe that way didnt look so bad either... Cortese is trying to earn his bonus, nothing more, nothing less. This means that the club has to be successful, but at what cost to the supporters?
Saint in Paradise Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Cortese is trying to earn his bonus, nothing more, nothing less. This means that the club has to be successful, but at what cost to the supporters? Thought you liked getting a bonus in your job ? Didn't you use to boast about such ?
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Perhaps DBP wants to be banned from SMS so he can spend more time with his skate lady friend ??? No matter how hard I try, I can't seem to get banned, even doing the Dambusters around the centre circle after the final whistle against Southend wasn't good enough. :-(
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Cortese is trying to earn his bonus, nothing more, nothing less. This means that the club has to be successful, but at what cost to the supporters? What a moaning, self-indulgent "want your cake and eat it post". If he gets his bonus, we are back in the PL. Do you want all the little fluffy bits, or top-flight football, more ??
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Thought you liked getting a bonus in your job ? Didn't you use to boast about such ? Didn't say there was anything wrong with Cortese chasing his bonus did I? I just said that there will be a cost to the fans, we are already seeing this...
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Didn't say there was anything wrong with Cortese chasing his bonus did I? I just said that there will be a cost to the fans, we are already seeing this... What cost, FFS ? What really of substance has changed ? Fewer pikeys from Thornhill and Swaythling get the opportunity to default on their ST payments. Wow.........
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 What a moaning, self-indulgent "want your cake and eat it post". If he gets his bonus, we are back in the PL. Do you want all the little fluffy bits, or top-flight football, more ?? Once again, just to repeat, I didn't say there was anything wrong with him wanting his bonus... but it does seem he will bulldoze through everything in his way to get it... including fans. And as I have stated before, I am not interested about seeing Saints in the PL, certainly not any more than a couple of seasons. To me, the Championship is the best league to play in.
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 And as I have stated before, I am not interested about seeing Saints in the PL, certainly not any more than a couple of seasons. To me, the Championship is the best league to play in. Fine. That's your opinion. I even see value in it. But others dont agree with you. Your character assassination of NC, who in my opinion is the bloke who saved this club, grows tedious.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 What cost, FFS ? What really of substance has changed ? Fewer pikeys from Thornhill and Swaythling get the opportunity to default on their ST payments. Wow......... OMFG - Not only have you stated a complete NON-FACT ( The club have NEVER used defaulters as a reason for the installment plan removal ) , you also even narrow them down into areas where the defaulters come from. What a **** you are. As for what has changed? The cost of supporting SFC is already rising rapidly and will continue to do so.
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 OMFG - Not only have you stated a complete NON-FACT ( The club have NEVER used defaulters as a reason for the installment plan removal ) , you also even narrow them down into areas where the defaulters come from. What a **** you are. As for what has changed? The cost of supporting SFC is already rising rapidly and will continue to do so. Get off your high-horse. I come from Swaythling. I know from what I speak. The reason given by the club is the administrative costs of the scheme. Meaning the money that comes in is not worth it. Meaning certain types somewhere arent coughing up.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Get off your high-horse. I come from Swaythling. I know from what I speak. The reason given by the club is the administrative costs of the scheme. Meaning the money that comes in is not worth it. Meaning certain types somewhere arent coughing up. Does it? Really? Are you sure? Can you provide me a link to where the club have stated the high adminstrative costs are down to defaulters from Swaythling or Thornhill? Link? My god, I am sure only a few posts ago you were mentioning people passing off speculation as fact... look at you go.
Deppo Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 The profound relationship between a fan and the football club he loves is fundamentally different than that which you might expect between a customer and a shop for instance . If I fall out with Tesco I can go to ASDA - it's not quite the same thing with the lifelong support of a football club for God's sake ! Why can't he go to Portsmouth?
Daren W Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 What cost, FFS ? What really of substance has changed ? Fewer pikeys from Thornhill and Swaythling get the opportunity to default on their ST payments. Wow......... Ok, out of all the selfish, centred comments we've had on installments/half season tickets, this one i take the most offense at. Some good people have been genuinely affected by the removal of installment plans/half season tickets and to just dismiss their complaint by referring to them as pikeys is just ****ing wrong... This "theory" that it was removed because of "defaulters" is just that, a theory. If it was the case why remove the half season ticket option? Answer? The club doesn't really care about season tickets as getting money in before the season is not a priority anymore, it's the week by week income Cortese cares about... which is fine, I don;t have a problem with it but it's the principle of promising something and then withdrawing it at no notice and with even less time to find the money...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 First you admit that we don't know all the facts and are unlikely to. Then you go and make the statement that there has clearly been an indefensible attack on all our freedom of speech. There HAS NOT clearly been an attack on all of our freedom of speech. This is exactly the problem with many of the posts on this thread, assumptions are made, conclusions are drawn from scanty or inconclusive evidence. If you draw your own conclusions based on what you have heard from one side, bully for you. But don't disparage those who will not draw the same conclusions without further evidence from both sides. Everybody has feet of clay, including you and me. Wes I don't want to argue with you because I agree with almost everything you post - but not on this matter . The logic of this argument implys we can seldom (if ever) venture an opinion about anything on here as there is only one important 'fact' in the world of football - the league table - all else is speculation . If we can't express what we think based on the evidence we do have and employing our best judgment (without necessarily having some legalistic standard of proof behind us) then what is there left to say about anything exactly ? I've served on two juries in my time , evidence is always inconclusive to some extent , that's the reality of the world . The entire purpose of this forum is to freely debate SFC issues afterall - it is not - and can never be - a law court . What I said is what I believe to be true - not more , no less .
OldNick Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 So with that in mind, that he wants a successful club as much as you do, will you meekly accept him sacking AP if it happens, or will you mewl and puke about it on here ? This IS different from Lowe. Lowe was only interested in the power. Cortese is, im my opinion, really trying to make the club a success. He may be doing it in a Thatcherite manner, but after the last 13 years of Labour, maybe that way didnt look so bad either... Alps IMO you are wrong. RL was not about power, but making the club a profit/money for its owners/shareholders. He ran the club in the correct way of running business in the real world. Football is not like any other business and the supporters(in general all clubs) in the main don't understand or wish to follow basic rules of budgeting. He tried to run our football club on prudent lines, and if the whole of football did things may have been different. Clubs like our friends down the road ,didn't adhere to prudence but just spent money and in doing so got a modicum of success. RL followed the rules and we got relegated for various reasons. Im sure now after seeing how Pompey have avoided paying their debts RL wishes he's spent like crazy under HR and we would still be in the PL and he could then have reduced our debts when the big money rolled in. We just missed the real fruits of being in the PL.
alpine_saint Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Ok, out of all the selfish, centred comments we've had on installments/half season tickets, this one i take the most offense at. Some good people have been genuinely affected by the removal of installment plans/half season tickets and to just dismiss their complaint by referring to them as pikeys is just ****ing wrong... This "theory" that it was removed because of "defaulters" is just that, a theory. If it was the case why remove the half season ticket option? Answer? The club doesn't really care about season tickets as getting money in before the season is not a priority anymore, it's the week by week income Cortese cares about... which is fine, I don;t have a problem with it but it's the principle of promising something and then withdrawing it at no notice and with even less time to find the money... Sometimes, you post good points. Sometimes you seem to have suffered a humour bypass. The reason I chose "swaythling" for example, was it make it a self-effacing comment, ergo humour. There were plenty of districts I could have chosen. I dont get your argument about half-season tickets at all. NC has (correctly) calculated that with a strong prospect of promotion, combined with no half-season ticket, he would sell more full season tickets. Also, he secures the club more revenue to spend on players and infrastructure in advance without an installment plan, without any additional costs. It aint f**king rocket science...
manji Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 heh...Well at least we got to see NC's position on the Saint's Trust lol No fan on the board for you!.... Joking aside I think thats why the anti-Cortese minority actually dont like him. I reckon when Lowe finally went they had visions of a micky mouse fan-pandering local consortium taking over (a bit like the MLT fronted Pinnacle consortium) with jobs for the boys and fansontheboard etc. Instead we have a professional ,efficient and by the looks of it succesful group who,unfortunately for the cabal, have no interest in pandering to a small minority of "fans" groups. I would imagine before they took over Liebherr and Cortese would have been briefed about fans groups. You can imagine it, "theres this lot called the Trust, they have about 5 members but pretend they have a thousand" , "here is photo of a statue organised by one of the groups", "they organised protest meetings where no-one turned up not even the guest speakers" , "here is a photo of a protest march the ones that did turn up sat in the road" , "they wanted us to sell season tickets for £125 lol !".
saint_mears Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 I do chuckle about the rupert lowe fans on this thread making any sort of comment ! LOL
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 I do chuckle about the rupert lowe fans on this thread making any sort of comment ! LOL I most definately am not a Rupert Lowe fan. I tell you what as well, I am not at the stage of 'Cortese Out' yet either, I just think he needs to wind his f*cking neck in and realise that SFC and their supporters have been here long before him, and will still be here long after he has gone. But the less respect he shows towards them, the less money he will get through the tills.
OldNick Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 I do chuckle about the rupert lowe fans on this thread making any sort of comment ! LOL Im not a fan and not a RL hater. I could see what he tried ,but he failed miserably in the end.Im delighted to have a new professional outfit running a business. Southampton Football Club in all the years I have been going (since 1968/69 season) has never been anything else than a cosy gentlemens club for the directors, who fed the majority of fans the 'we love you' mentality so we go and spend more. The embracing of fans, is not because they wish to mix with the sweaty masses but as a way of getting more finance in.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 (edited) Joking aside I think thats why the anti-Cortese minority actually dont like him. I reckon when Lowe finally went they had visions of a micky mouse fan-pandering local consortium taking over (a bit like the MLT fronted Pinnacle consortium) with jobs for the boys and fansontheboard etc. LOL The most vocal 'anti-Saints Trust' and 'anti- Fan on the Board' person on this forum is without doubt me. So that blows that theory right out of the water eh? Edited 29 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips
NickG Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 So with that in mind, that he wants a successful club as much as you do, will you meekly accept him sacking AP if it happens, or will you mewl and puke about it on here ? This IS different from Lowe. Lowe was only interested in the power. Cortese is, im my opinion, really trying to make the club a success. He may be doing it in a Thatcherite manner, but after the last 13 years of Labour, maybe that way didnt look so bad either... no I would moan as think Pardew should be supported for decent amount of time. point I was making is that I can't guarantee will support everything he does in the future but at the moment think the club is making huge progress and its to his credit.
once_bitterne Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 There must be some irony somwhere in a thread that has reACHED
once_bitterne Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 There must be some irony somewhere in a thread that has reached 16 pages about a bloke who has possibly been barred from getting a season ticket but that person themselves refuses to view this forum as he disagrees for having to pay to use a fan's message board......
John Smith Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 I am really finding it hard to see the point you are trying to make with regards to all the posts that you quoted me in, because I don't see any contradiction in the posts. Infact, I don't think I am going to even bother commenting on it, because you are clearly nuts! Talk about reading what you want to read. As for Season ticket prediction, someone said we get 15,000, I said we would be lucky to get half that, the immediately made it clear that I was exaggerating and I thought it would be about 9 or 10k. I don't ever remember predicting it will be 13k or 14k. And lastly, when I took over this username, I said ONCE I had bought a season ticket when DBP was still undetected, I also said I was a student, this was to try and distance myself from StuRomseySaint for the very reasons highlighted in your post, people would just jump on and have a pop at SRS and the subject content or whether they would agree was irrelvent to them. On a last note, no I don't have a season ticket now. I am going to do all away games and will cherry pick a couple of home games and blag some corporate tickets. Yes I could afford to buy a season ticket if I wanted one now, due to a healthy change in circumstances, but quite frankly, they can ram it up their @rses. I tell you one thing though, I'm getting bored of replying to trolls and internet warriors, and even getting bored of my own posts now. Again, delivering comedy value of the highest order! You see, you have a go at people for not backing up what they say, then, when they do, you say you can't even be bothered, pure genius. I also loved the way you deliberately mis-read the ST part by claiming you never said 13k or 14k, absolute comedy timing and ignorance. You've also double dutched the ST issue by claiming it was DBP that said he had a ST, before you were exposed. But that was my confusion, which I was slated for, for suggesting you weren;t going to get one, then claiming DBP said he had one, confirmed by stevegrant and now, as DBP (fully exposed), you or your alter ego do or don;t have one. Like I suggested at the time, maybe you should've got a free under 8's ST with SRS's ST, that way you could accompany yourself with your childish alter ego! Comedy value is uncalculated on this site! Lastly, you got so bored of reading or typing your 150+ responses on 'this' thread that you weren;t going to post anymore, or, not post more than another 150, not sure? And after posting those 150+posts on 'this' thread, you have the comedy genius comment, that you can;t be bothered with the trolls on this site! have you ever thought of a career in stand-up? Is this just your material gathering stage. Send me a flyer, I'll buy a ticket, you are truely a very, very funny man.
SaintDonkey Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Cortese is trying to earn his bonus, nothing more, nothing less. This means that the club has to be successful, but at what cost to the supporters? If he wins his bonus through the success of the club then, speaking as a supporter, fantastic. Yes I might get screwed over a bit by paying a little over the odds for tickets and such like along the way, but that's part and parcel of supporting a successful team. I may not like it, but it's a fact of life that you get what you pay for. Cortese can be a petty vindictive tyrant for all I care so long as Southampton are successful. If a few supporters get their noses put out of joint along the way then so be it. Of course this is all contingent upon Saints being successful. If the time comes when Southampton are failing to perform on the pitch because of Cortese's actions - selling players, knee jerk manager dismissals, not loosening the purse strings or some other issue then he will deserve the abuse that some are already according him. Until then just shut up and swallow.
OldNick Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 refuses to view this forum as he disagrees for having to pay to use a fan's message board...... is that right???
Saint_clark Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Joking aside I think thats why the anti-Cortese minority actually dont like him. I reckon when Lowe finally went they had visions of a micky mouse fan-pandering local consortium taking over (a bit like the MLT fronted Pinnacle consortium) with jobs for the boys and fansontheboard etc. Instead we have a professional ,efficient and by the looks of it succesful group who,unfortunately for the cabal, have no interest in pandering to a small minority of "fans" groups. I would imagine before they took over Liebherr and Cortese would have been briefed about fans groups. You can imagine it, "theres this lot called the Trust, they have about 5 members but pretend they have a thousand" , "here is photo of a statue organised by one of the groups", "they organised protest meetings where no-one turned up not even the guest speakers" , "here is a photo of a protest march the ones that did turn up sat in the road" , "they wanted us to sell season tickets for £125 lol !". Agree with most of this, but I think the protest march was actually quite a big success. A lot of people thought there would be f*ck all there, but it was a huge turnout. As for sitting in the road, well it caused disruption didn't it - and that's the only way to truely make yourself heard in this f*cked up country.
shurlock Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 LOL The most vocal 'anti-Saints Trust' and 'anti- Fan on the Board' person on this forum is without doubt me. So that blows that theory right out of the water eh? So what? Can logically be both. Lots of people opposed the trust but welcomed with open arms (and ar$echeeks) a mickey mouse fan-pandering local consortium. They certainly did so a year ago....
Wes Tender Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 Mods - lock this pile of tripe please! Agree. Fine to have it as a bit of gossip originally, but nothing of much substance has been added since. Until any further facts emerge, there is little point in going round and round the houses repeating platitudes and conjecture.
trousers Posted 29 July, 2010 Posted 29 July, 2010 There must be some irony somewhere in a thread that has reached 16 pages about a bloke who has possibly been barred from getting a season ticket but that person themselves refuses to view this forum as he disagrees for having to pay to use a fan's message board...... It might be worth someone pointing out to him that one doesn't have to pay to view/use the forum....
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