It appears that Nick Illingsworth has been refused a season ticket

[Thedelldays]

It is actually quite comical that a few people have stuck their heads out of their hypothetical ivory towers to lecture me on the finer points of humility to your fellow man and the convention of freedom of speech.

 

I mean jesus christ.

I woner if he agrees to willy walsh's free speech and humility..?

[View From The Top]

Amen, thank God there are still people on this Forum who appear to have a modicum of humanity.

 

 

You could do with remembering humanity the next time you ruin 10,000s of peoples holidays because the trolly dollys are having to live in the real world.

[OldNick]

Ahhh, the silverspoons rip off thing.

 

If anyone thought it was a good idea to pay to get in to a pub when you don't have to, then they deserve to lose their money. It's similar to all the teenagers paying to go on bar crawls on holiday when they could just do the same......and not pay.

well you are a mug paying to go and watch the footie when you could climd a tree and watch it from there.

The silverspoons party was publicsed as a special event. A place where you could lap up the atmosphere as well as other additions. If it had been done properly it would have been superb, sadly it was a rip off and fans were taken in by NI 's standing as a saints fan, never would he let us down.

I do hope you have never booked something and it was not as expected

[LA77]

The simple fact that you have decided the result despite not being in possession of the facts says rather a lot about you.

 

You presuppose it's about freedom of speech without one iota of evidence to suggest that is what it is about at all.

 

I'd put your soap box away if I were you, you're starting to look a tad silly now.

 

What he says about people having their right to freedom of speech is fair enough. But the fact that it's speculation, and not the confirmed reason his season ticket has been refunded, is just like the rest of this thread. **** and wind.

[Daren W]

no...hence why I said..IF..

 

as it goes round and round and round...nick has not been banned...have no idea why you are saying that...and we dont know why he money was returned..

 

Did you attend the Silverspoons gig?

[Smirking_Saint]

What he says about people having their right to freedom of speech is fair enough. But the fact that it's speculation, and not the confirmed reason his season ticket has been refunded, is just like the rest of this thread. **** and wind.

 

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Edited 28 July, 2010 by Smirking_Saint

[Micky]

My grip on the real issue seems a tad tighter than yours .

 

This 'we can't have an opinion because we don't possess a verbatim account of all correspondence between NI & the club' excuse leaves be unimpressed to put it mildly . I call that a convenient argument for those seeking to defend the indefensible .

Clearly we all know now that you don't care a jot about freedom of speech or your fellow fans -and that says rather a lot about you .

 

Errr no, we just want to hear both sides of the story. If it leaves you unimpressed that you don't have any facts from the clubs side of the argument, but are willing to judge, how you can then come to the conclusion that it is nothing but a convienient argument for people defending the indefensible.

 

Remember, with the facts that we have so far, this could be just an administrative error. Indefensible?

[View From The Top]

What he says about people having their right to freedom of speech is fair enough. But the fact that it's speculation, and not the confirmed reason his season ticket has been refunded, is just like the rest of this thread. **** and wind.

 

Agree 100%.

[LA77]

I agree people should have freedom of speech but their really is a difference. You understand that St Marys is a private company right ?

 

my point is, until it is confirmed that his season ticket has been revoked because he spoke out about issues like the payment plan etc, then it is fair to say it is very harsh indeed, and wrong. BUT there is no news as to why, so it's just rumours on here.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Well done there, avoiding the points i actually made to put your 'i'm higher than you' attitude rather into a more paling perspective.

 

I respect freedom of speech and all in all i don't want to see an innocent saints fan come to any sort of hurt or heartache.

 

However that has absolutely nothing to do with what is happening here, nothing.

 

Is he indefensible ?? I don't know i really don't, but IMO NI has done enough to cause a company that is offering a service to politely tell him he is not welcome. Please don't confuse this issue with anything other than it is, a customer talking negatively about a company being refused its service.

 

Let me get this straight .

 

You are arguing that Nick Illingsworth's criticism of the club's ticketing policy had "absolutely nothing" to do with the club rejecting his season ticket application ? Most reasonable people could only conclude that there just might be a connection between these two facts I'd have thought .

 

Furthermore , even if that were indeed the case you're still not entirely sure that this punitive action could be fairly defined as an attempt to curtail freedom of speech or even a particularity bad thing even if it were ?

 

The profound relationship between a fan and the football club he loves is fundamentally different than that which you might expect between a customer and a shop for instance . If I fall out with Tesco I can go to ASDA - it's not quite the same thing with the lifelong support of a football club for God's shake !

 

I'm quite sure 99.9 of fans on here understand the truth of that .

[kpturner]

You could do with remembering humanity the next time you ruin 10,000s of peoples holidays because the trolly dollys are having to live in the real world.

[View From The Top]

 

He's one of the bods responsible for all the Heathrow BA trolly dollies going on strike.

[BadgerBadger]

You lot are nuts, I take my hat off to you for having such concern over the smallest details;

 

At the moment the club is not a fluffy little warm collection of WI members gathering once a week for a chinwag it's a frigging business that's being dragged into the 21st century and I/you may not like the minor subtleties of how it's being handled but utlimatley it's going in the right direction for me. Did you really think they were going to roll in and be all 'Michael Wilde' approach to the fans, look what happend there and where we are now.

 

If only some of you got off your soap boxes/ivory towers you might start enjoying where we're really at, all things considered with a nod to last year.

[LA77]

It would be funny if it was a simple error, and he got his ST today. If I was Illingsworth I'd keep quiet, and let this thread carry on until the Plymouth game.

[kpturner]

He's one of the bods responsible for all the Heathrow BA trolly dollies going on strike.

I see - BASSA - I didn't realise they were one and the same. Learn summat every day.

[Smirking_Saint]

Let me get this straight .

 

You are arguing that Nick Illingsworth's criticism of the club's ticketing policy had "absolutely nothing" to do with the club rejecting his season ticket application ? Most reasonable people could only conclude that there just might be a connection between these two facts I'd have thought .

 

In all honesty, that is how it appears, however i do not know the whole picture, so no excuse me if i don't just paint it as black and white.

 

Furthermore , even if that were indeed the case you're still not entirely sure that this punitive action could be fairly defined as an attempt to curtail freedom of speech or even a particularity bad thing even if it were ?

 

It would be a bit of a bitter pill to swallow, but lets get something straight here, Saints are a private company and he has been quite obvious in his criticism of it, i don't know many situations within which a company would allow a customer to publically degrade its decisions etc but still allow that person to recieve its service.

 

The profound relationship between a fan and the football club he loves is fundamentally different than that which you might expect between a customer and a shop for instance . If I fall out with Tesco I can go to ASDA - it's not quite the same thing with the lifelong support of a football club for God's shake !

 

This is true, i can agree with that, however you seem to have got the relationship wrong unto which the responsibility of maintaining that relationship lies. The club has many more fans, it does not need to keep in favour for a single troublesome fan, it is that fans need to ensure he does not do anything untoward to lose that service. I certainly wouldn't get into a fight, use abusive language towards stewards etc that could end in a punishment which could see me not able to set foot in a place i love

 

I'm quite sure 99.9 of fans on here understand the truth of that .

 

I can see the points you are making, but please please don't question my humility and thoughts on what are bigger issues then this and essentially have nothing to do with it, yes freedom of speech is an important thing but you need to understand its boundaries in the real world. I have my opinions, you do everybody does, freedom of speech or not if someone came into my home or if i had a shop etc and starting bad mouthing me i would remove them, there is a freedom of speech but everyone needs to understand its boundaries.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

The simple fact that you have decided the result despite not being in possession of the facts says rather a lot about you.

 

You presuppose it's about freedom of speech without one iota of evidence to suggest that is what it is about at all.

 

I'd put your soap box away if I were you, you're starting to look a tad silly now.

 

Ah - the old 'on a soap box' depiction of those who dare to express a moral view about the world . No such thing as right or wrong - it's all relative blah blah blah ..........

 

I suppose whining about not having 100% of the facts (you seldom if ever know '100%' about anything in this world) does save all that irksome effort of having to take a stand or even think about an important moral issue . Nevermind as long as we win a few football games nothing else matters eh?

[John Smith]

I never said he HAD, I said that he never said he HADN'T spoken to the Ticket Office grunt.

 

Yawn

 

Where does it say he didn't speak to anyone in the ticket office? Can you point me in the direction of a quote from him saying that he didn't/hasn't spoken to anyone at the Ticket Office?

 

Oh, didn't think so, you're just getting a bit over-excited aren't you?

 

He doesn't say he hasn't followed the complaints procedure, I would imagine his first port of call would have been Luker, would have been silly not to be, seeing as he is the man with the answers.

 

David Luker is senior management.

 

If you have a problem with your tickets etc... would you email him? Or would you email reception asking for the email address of someone who works in the burger bar or on the box office?

 

Honest answer please.

 

No, not when it took me 3 weeks to get a response from the club ( and only then when I threatened to get the Football League involved ) . David Luker now passes off any complaints up to Cortese/Leighton Mitchell/Club Spokesman now, so unlike before, when Luker was able to respond to any issue in a timely fashion the issues are kept with 'senior management' , so to get an answer, that's where you have to go.

 

Yes it is. He has been trying to get an answer and leaving messages for 4 weeks but nobody has responded. Left messages with pretty much every manager going, including the ticket office manager himself.

 

Seriously, you think that's an admin error too? OK then...

 

I am really starting to enjoy DBP's humour. One minute stating that it is clear from the post that he never said he hadn't spoke to the ticket office, ergo, this means he must have, the next, DBP breaks down how many times NI called said ticket office over the previous 4 weeks. Must've beena good chat you had with NI last night DBP, did he give you any further details? Not saying you;re lying or anything, just that even Stevegrant only knew of this situation 3 weeks ago, and that was in Switzerland, anyhow, I digress, did you speak to NI last night, as you jumped from a deduction to telling us his brekadown of calling patterns for these last 4 weeks.

 

The bit that did make me laugh the most has been how you've gone from saying it's obvious he would've contacted Dave Luker, to he did contact the ticket office manager by phone. Then you've stated how it took you 3 weeks to get a response from some grunt, and yet NI has only been at it for 4 weeks. Then you suggest that you would and should go straight to Dave Luker, only to then comment how Dave Luker passes all complaints onto Cortese/Leighton Mitchell/Club Spokesman now, or is it some grunt.

 

Like I said, you really make me laugh DBP, I have had great fun reading your sarchasm and hypocrisy over these last few weeks. I did love the way you upped your ST sold from 7k to 8k to 10k and then say 13k, or is it 14 k is about the same, brilliant. On those lines, you suggest £400 quid is a lot of money, but is that 400 or 1000? It's about the same, classic!

 

Keep up the good work, only anotherweek and a bit of tedium left, then it's back to cars and women for you.

 

P.S. Not having a dig, but a while back I suggested that you wouldn't be purchasing a ST this season, Stevegrant corrected my mistake and kindly pointed me to your post where you admitted that you bought one. Now you are saying you haven't got one. Not having a dig, and I know you are a very very funny man, so I won;t hold you to it, have you bought one or not? Was it refunded?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

He's one of the bods responsible for all the Heathrow BA trolly dollies going on strike.

 

I think you'll find that in the position of Branch Secretary (Cabin Crew) all Duncan is responsible for is announcing the result of the ballot?

 

The responsibility for them striking lies in the individual member's choices.

 

1. to vote

 

2. to decide which option to vote for.

 

If Duncan, or any of the other bods, was actually responsible for them going on strike he (they) may have found themselves open to prosecution?

[benjii]

You lot are nuts, I take my hat off to you for having such concern over the smallest details;

 

At the moment the club is not a fluffy little warm collection of WI members gathering once a week for a chinwag it's a frigging business that's being dragged into the 21st century and I/you may not like the minor subtleties of how it's being handled but utlimatley it's going in the right direction for me. Did you really think they were going to roll in and be all 'Michael Wilde' approach to the fans, look what happend there and where we are now.

 

If only some of you got off your soap boxes/ivory towers you might start enjoying where we're really at, all things considered with a nod to last year.

 

Probably the best post on the thread!

 

The fact that this has got to "x and counting" pages so quickly just shows that people enjoy a gaggle about this sort of stuff.

[Thedelldays]

I am really starting to enjoy DBP's humour. One minute stating that it is clear from the post that he never said he hadn't spoke to the ticket office, ergo, this means he must have, the next, DBP breaks down how many times NI called said ticket office over the previous 4 weeks. Must've beena good chat you had with NI last night DBP, did he give you any further details? Not saying you;re lying or anything, just that even Stevegrant only knew of this situation 3 weeks ago, and that was in Switzerland, anyhow, I digress, did you speak to NI last night, as you jumped from a deduction to telling us his brekadown of calling patterns for these last 4 weeks.

 

The bit that did make me laugh the most has been how you've gone from saying it's obvious he would've contacted Dave Luker, to he did contact the ticket office manager by phone. Then you've stated how it took you 3 weeks to get a response from some grunt, and yet NI has only been at it for 4 weeks. Then you suggest that you would and should go straight to Dave Luker, only to then comment how Dave Luker passes all complaints onto Cortese/Leighton Mitchell/Club Spokesman now, or is it some grunt.

 

Like I said, you really make me laugh DBP, I have had great fun reading your sarchasm and hypocrisy over these last few weeks. I did love the way you upped your ST sold from 7k to 8k to 10k and then say 13k, or is it 14 k is about the same, brilliant. On those lines, you suggest £400 quid is a lot of money, but is that 400 or 1000? It's about the same, classic!

 

Keep up the good work, only anotherweek and a bit of tedium left, then it's back to cars and women for you.

 

P.S. Not having a dig, but a while back I suggested that you wouldn't be purchasing a ST this season, Stevegrant corrected my mistake and kindly pointed me to your post where you admitted that you bought one. Now you are saying you haven't got one. Not having a dig, and I know you are a very very funny man, so I won;t hold you to it, have you bought one or not? Was it refunded?

lol....he will probably want to meet you in the plume for a "chat" now

[saint_mears]

You lot are nuts, I take my hat off to you for having such concern over the smallest details;

 

At the moment the club is not a fluffy little warm collection of WI members gathering once a week for a chinwag it's a frigging business that's being dragged into the 21st century and I/you may not like the minor subtleties of how it's being handled but utlimatley it's going in the right direction for me. Did you really think they were going to roll in and be all 'Michael Wilde' approach to the fans, look what happend there and where we are now.

 

If only some of you got off your soap boxes/ivory towers you might start enjoying where we're really at, all things considered with a nod to last year.

 

All irrelevant

[benjii]

lol....he will probably want to meet you in the plume for a "chat" now

 

What really amazes me is that we've got to page 15 and I don't think he's pulled that stunt yet!

[benjii]

All irrelevant

 

Not sure how you work that out.

[NickG]

You lot are nuts, I take my hat off to you for having such concern over the smallest details;

 

At the moment the club is not a fluffy little warm collection of WI members gathering once a week for a chinwag it's a frigging business that's being dragged into the 21st century and I/you may not like the minor subtleties of how it's being handled but utlimatley it's going in the right direction for me. Did you really think they were going to roll in and be all 'Michael Wilde' approach to the fans, look what happend there and where we are now.

 

If only some of you got off your soap boxes/ivory towers you might start enjoying where we're really at, all things considered with a nod to last year.

 

good perspective.

[NickG]

I have to say, I share this same view. After some 9 pages of what appears to be mostly speculation, some people even claiming that he has been banned, why doesn't he do just as you say.

 

Surely, a quick trip to the ticket office, explain who he is, what has happened and ask for;

 

a. A ST

 

or

 

b. an explanation as to why his money has been returned.

 

Perhaps i'm not seeing the wood for the trees, but it does appear to be that simple to me. Perhaps TDD and I are just simpletons!

 

Clear we don't know full story - but this does seem sensible - sure it would bring it to a close one way or another

[Saint Keith]

You could do with remembering humanity the next time you ruin 10,000s of peoples holidays because the trolly dollys are having to live in the real world.

 

top lollage

[Thedelldays]

What really amazes me is that we've got to page 15 and I don't think he's pulled that stunt yet!

 

there is a reason I have disabled my own PM system earlier...he actually thinks he intimidates people

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I can see the points you are making, but please please don't question my humility and thoughts on what are bigger issues then this and essentially have nothing to do with it, yes freedom of speech is an important thing but you need to understand its boundaries in the real world. I have my opinions, you do everybody does, freedom of speech or not if someone came into my home or if i had a shop etc and starting bad mouthing me i would remove them, there is a freedom of speech but everyone needs to understand its boundaries.

 

You don't really understand even the basis of good fan (or 'customer' if you like) relations .

 

I just cannot or will not accept that the Chairman of a football club has the moral right to (in effect) punish a fan just because he takes a different view on club policy - that's quite outrageous to my mind . You can get 30,000 football fans inside St Marys - all of them holding and expressing all types of differing opinions about all kinds of differing subjects . If the Chairman wants to 'vet' everyone of them for holding 'unauthorized' opinions before he lets them in then he's got a real job of work on his hands .

 

To be perfectly frank it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone (however exulted) tells me what to think or say about the football club I've supported all my life .

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I am really starting to enjoy DBP's humour. One minute stating that it is clear from the post that he never said he hadn't spoke to the ticket office, ergo, this means he must have, the next, DBP breaks down how many times NI called said ticket office over the previous 4 weeks. Must've beena good chat you had with NI last night DBP, did he give you any further details? Not saying you;re lying or anything, just that even Stevegrant only knew of this situation 3 weeks ago, and that was in Switzerland, anyhow, I digress, did you speak to NI last night, as you jumped from a deduction to telling us his brekadown of calling patterns for these last 4 weeks.

 

The bit that did make me laugh the most has been how you've gone from saying it's obvious he would've contacted Dave Luker, to he did contact the ticket office manager by phone. Then you've stated how it took you 3 weeks to get a response from some grunt, and yet NI has only been at it for 4 weeks. Then you suggest that you would and should go straight to Dave Luker, only to then comment how Dave Luker passes all complaints onto Cortese/Leighton Mitchell/Club Spokesman now, or is it some grunt.

 

Like I said, you really make me laugh DBP, I have had great fun reading your sarchasm and hypocrisy over these last few weeks. I did love the way you upped your ST sold from 7k to 8k to 10k and then say 13k, or is it 14 k is about the same, brilliant. On those lines, you suggest £400 quid is a lot of money, but is that 400 or 1000? It's about the same, classic!

 

Keep up the good work, only anotherweek and a bit of tedium left, then it's back to cars and women for you.

 

P.S. Not having a dig, but a while back I suggested that you wouldn't be purchasing a ST this season, Stevegrant corrected my mistake and kindly pointed me to your post where you admitted that you bought one. Now you are saying you haven't got one. Not having a dig, and I know you are a very very funny man, so I won;t hold you to it, have you bought one or not? Was it refunded?

 

I am really finding it hard to see the point you are trying to make with regards to all the posts that you quoted me in, because I don't see any contradiction in the posts. Infact, I don't think I am going to even bother commenting on it, because you are clearly nuts! Talk about reading what you want to read.

 

As for Season ticket prediction, someone said we get 15,000, I said we would be lucky to get half that, the immediately made it clear that I was exaggerating and I thought it would be about 9 or 10k. I don't ever remember predicting it will be 13k or 14k.

 

And lastly, when I took over this username, I said ONCE I had bought a season ticket when DBP was still undetected, I also said I was a student, this was to try and distance myself from StuRomseySaint for the very reasons highlighted in your post, people would just jump on and have a pop at SRS and the subject content or whether they would agree was irrelvent to them.

 

On a last note, no I don't have a season ticket now. I am going to do all away games and will cherry pick a couple of home games and blag some corporate tickets. Yes I could afford to buy a season ticket if I wanted one now, due to a healthy change in circumstances, but quite frankly, they can ram it up their @rses.

 

I tell you one thing though, I'm getting bored of replying to trolls and internet warriors, and even getting bored of my own posts now.

[trousers]

You lot are nuts, I take my hat off to you for having such concern over the smallest details;

 

At the moment the club is not a fluffy little warm collection of WI members gathering once a week for a chinwag it's a frigging business that's being dragged into the 21st century and I/you may not like the minor subtleties of how it's being handled but utlimatley it's going in the right direction for me. Did you really think they were going to roll in and be all 'Michael Wilde' approach to the fans, look what happend there and where we are now.

 

If only some of you got off your soap boxes/ivory towers you might start enjoying where we're really at, all things considered with a nod to last year.

 

This

[Smirking_Saint]

You don't really understand even the basis of good fan (or 'customer' if you like) relations .

 

I just cannot or will not accept that the Chairman of a football club has the moral right to (in effect) punish a fan just because he takes a different view on club policy - that's quite outrageous to my mind . You can get 30,000 football fans inside St Marys - all of them holding and expressing all types of differing opinions about all kinds of differing subjects . If the Chairman wants to 'vet' everyone of them for holding 'unauthorized' opinions before he lets them in then he's got a real job of work on his hands .

 

To be perfectly frank it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone (however exulted) tells me what to think or say about the football club I've supported all my life .

 

There is a difference in holding an opinion and telling it to your mates, hell even discussing on a message board to actually writing about it in online blogs, talking to the press about it etc

 

Surely you can see that is the point i am actually making ??

 

So yes, i understand good customer relations, you are just intentionally attempting to change my words

[Secret Site Agent]

Everything gets signed off by Cortese, absolutely everything, right down to the pie orders for the concourse. The staff at SMS are running round scared of Cortese, the more informed people with contacts inside the club will know this. Why do you think there are 13 videos on Saints players with staff kissing his arse? Don't you find that a bit strange and unbalanced? Another member of staff would not pull a stunt like that, because you can say what you like about Nick ( there is plenty of negatives ) but one thing you cannot deny is that he is the Saints fan with all the contacts in the press and media.

 

Nothing gets signed off by Cortese, nothingat all, not even the pie orders for the concourse. The staff at SMS are not running round scared of Cortese, the more informed people with contacts inside the club will know thisbut will not tell us as there is nothing to tell. he is loved and that is why there are 13 videos on Saints players with staff singing his praises.

 

One thing I think you'll find out is that NI is the Saints fan who is used by the press and media for their own ends.

[trousers]

Would it be pertinent of me to remind people we're talking about a football club here (aka a leisure activity) rather than something akin to life or death.

 

Why do people (on both sides of an arbitrary argument) get so worked up about something so trivial as a football team????

[Secret Site Agent]

Yes it is. He has been trying to get an answer and leaving messages for 4 weeks but nobody has responded. Left messages with pretty much every manager going, including the ticket office manager himself.

 

Seriously, you think that's an admin error too? OK then...

 

Oh, I've got it. Nick has phoned every manager going so what must have happened is that they all think someone else is dealing with it. And no one is.

[Colinjb]

You lot are nuts, I take my hat off to you for having such concern over the smallest details;

 

At the moment the club is not a fluffy little warm collection of WI members gathering once a week for a chinwag it's a frigging business that's being dragged into the 21st century and I/you may not like the minor subtleties of how it's being handled but utlimatley it's going in the right direction for me. Did you really think they were going to roll in and be all 'Michael Wilde' approach to the fans, look what happend there and where we are now.

 

If only some of you got off your soap boxes/ivory towers you might start enjoying where we're really at, all things considered with a nod to last year.

 

Here here. Bang on.

 

Now then, enough of the b*llsh*t there's some football to be gotten on with.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

There is a difference in holding an opinion and telling it to your mates, hell even discussing on a message board to actually writing about it in online blogs, talking to the press about it etc

 

Surely you can see that is the point i am actually making ??

 

So yes, i understand good customer relations, you are just intentionally attempting to change my words

 

I don't know about you but in the unlikely event of a reporter asking me my opinion about a SFC matter then I'd give him a honest answer - however 'off message' that may or may not be . If you are saying Illingsworth should have refused to give his honest opinion (he does represent a fan group) or merely parroted the official view (on a controversial issue that many cared deeply about) then I can only say I can hardly disagree more .

[Smirking_Saint]

I don't know about you but in the unlikely event of a reporter asking me my opinion about a SFC matter then I'd give him a honest answer - however 'off message' that may or may not be . If you are saying Illingsworth should have refused to give his honest opinion (he does represent a fan group) or merely parroted the official view (on a controversial issue that many cared deeply about) then I can only say I can hardly disagree more .

 

I'm going to give up now

[benjii]

You don't really understand even the basis of good fan (or 'customer' if you like) relations .

 

I just cannot or will not accept that the Chairman of a football club has the moral right to (in effect) punish a fan just because he takes a different view on club policy - that's quite outrageous to my mind . You can get 30,000 football fans inside St Marys - all of them holding and expressing all types of differing opinions about all kinds of differing subjects . If the Chairman wants to 'vet' everyone of them for holding 'unauthorized' opinions before he lets them in then he's got a real job of work on his hands .

 

To be perfectly frank it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone (however exulted) tells me what to think or say about the football club I've supported all my life .

 

Is that what's happened?

[Secret Site Agent]

He said as much himself in an interview, but I also know from a couple of people I know inside the club this is the case. No I won't give names, all staff were briefed that anyone who discusses club matters externally will be sacked on the spot.

 

Isn't that against British Employment Law?

[View From The Top]

Is that what's happened?

 

Must be. CCC said so. He was quite insistent and it's clearly a freedom of speech issue to boot!

[benjii]

internet warriors

 

Yes!! There it is, finally! :vuvu:

[benjii]

Must be. CCC said so. He was quite insistent and it's clearly a freedom of speech issue to boot!

 

Call the EU!

[trousers]

Football = Pasttime; not really that important in the general scheme of things

 

Life and death = quite important; involves genuine human emotion and concern

[Colinjb]

Yes!! There it is, finally! :vuvu:

 

Could be worse, could be a called a cyber c*nt.

[Noodles34]

Football = Pasttime; not really that important in the general scheme of things

 

Life and death = quite important; involves genuine human emotion and concern

 

“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.”

 

Bill Shankly

[Colinjb]

“Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that.”

 

Bill Shankly

 

As said by a man working within it.

[Wes Tender]

I tell you one thing though, I'm getting bored of replying to trolls and internet warriors, and even getting bored of my own posts now.

 

If you're getting tired of them, just imagine how much more tired the rest of us are.

[Micky]

You don't really understand even the basis of good fan (or 'customer' if you like) relations .

 

I just cannot or will not accept that the Chairman of a football club has the moral right to (in effect) punish a fan just because he takes a different view on club policy - that's quite outrageous to my mind . You can get 30,000 football fans inside St Marys - all of them holding and expressing all types of differing opinions about all kinds of differing subjects . If the Chairman wants to 'vet' everyone of them for holding 'unauthorized' opinions before he lets them in then he's got a real job of work on his hands .

 

To be perfectly frank it'll be a cold day in hell before anyone (however exulted) tells me what to think or say about the football club I've supported all my life .

 

But that's the point - did he? How do you know? We (you) have heard one side of the argument and made that assumption.

 

It's a bit like a judge hearing the prosecutions side of the case and, without further ado, hanging the defendant (a bit like I want the PFC case to go!) - why bother with a fair hearing eh.

[SaintBobby]

I'd say, on the face of it, Illingsworth probably has been banned (or, at least, refused a season ticket) beacuse of his public pronoucements.

 

No, I'm not certain of this.

 

No, I haven't heard the club's position, I've only heard one side. And even then, it's incomplete.

 

There are dozens of other possible explanations.

 

But it is probably reasonable to believe at this stage that he's been blocked because he's a perceived troublemaker.

 

That's what I believe, until more evidence comes to light. I reserve the right to change my mind at any time, but I dont need 100% of the facts - or even 50% of them - before Im willing to form a belief.