Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Maybe this is how Italian businessmen behave. Maybe freedom of speech isn't respected so much where cortese comes from. Benito Muscolini ruled with a rod of iron. what has mussolini got to do with anything..? he is one of your idols..? right..?
manji Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Hmmm... you are talking about a man that rents a house off a former Saints player, decides he doesn't like the ex-Saints player / landlords carpets, so rips them up and puts in laminate flooring down without even speaking to him, before deducting the costs he incurred off the rent he paid one month. I really wouldn't put it past Cortese. Not at all. Again mindless tittle-tattle from a friend of a friend. Again you just so want to believe it. I am beginning to wonder if some of you lot subconciously miss Lowe. In some sort of way to invigorate your sad little lives you need a hate figure. It reminds me of the lefties who secretly miss Thatcher and the heady days of mass protest and rioting.
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 If anyone else is ignored by the club perhaps it'd be worth trying to contact Markus Liebherr. http://www.mali-group.com/en/contact/ On the above link you can email, and there is the address and phone number if you wish to write. Jesuschrist... Are you really suggesting people contact ML if they feel they are being ignored by the club. This has to be the best post on here so far, and there are some crackers....
dune Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 i assume you have written a well constructed email..? No, but if I was in Nick Illingsworths position I would.
kpturner Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 (edited) LOL..... you get proved wrong, have a pop, then get proved even more wrong .......and it's time to move on, qualityIf you want to think that you have proved me wrong and it makes you happy then I am very pleased for you. I don't happen to think you have. The point is that this forum has no importance in the real world at all, much less to the decision makers at SFC. It only has importance to the people who post on it on a regular basis....and those who get bored at work. Anyone who thinks it plays a role in the decision making process at SFC is deluded IMHO. Cortese and co would not give this forum any credit by responding to threads like this in an official capacity.....and that is where I came in I believe. Edited 28 July, 2010 by kpturner
Gemmel Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 (edited) here is a question..after god know how much unfounded claims about cortese being like stalin, a tyrant, this or that..it being passed off as fact.. how would the admin on here like it if they were refused a ST for allowing such claims (which are probably against the laws of the land) not suggesting...just curious..? You make an interesting point. IF (happy to acknowledge it is an if) NI has been banned for stating his opinions then where does it end???? edit I belive one club did ban a fans forum owner for such things..... (and then let him back in) Edited 28 July, 2010 by Gemmel
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 No, but if I was in Nick Illingsworths position I would. well, save us your ramblings and write an email to herr markus..seeing as you think cortese is such a ****... or are you all mouth..?
benjii Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 By the way, does anyone know the reason for the alleged ban yet? Perhaps those that know Illingsworth could list all the reasons why the club might want to ban him. I don't mean putting vague, transcendent things like "they hate free speech", I mean listing the actual things that Illingsworth has done that might make the club feel like banning him. Ta.
dune Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Jesuschrist... Are you really suggesting people contact ML if they feel they are being ignored by the club. This has to be the best post on here so far, and there are some crackers.... This is precisely what i'm suggesting. It's in Markus's interest to be informed about how his club is being run.
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 You make an interesting point. IF (happy to acknowledge it is an if) NI has been banned for stating his opinions then where does it end???? if it is the case...some of the claims about cortese on here..I would be very worried if i ran this place....we now have mussolini thrown into the arguement.. quite frankly, embarrassing....
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Jesuschrist... Are you really suggesting people contact ML if they feel they are being ignored by the club. This has to be the best post on here so far, and there are some crackers.... I think it is quite constructive actually. Markus might be completely oblivious to the bad feeling Cortese is causing amoung some groups of Saints fans, and might wish to be made aware of it so he can have a quiet work in Nicolas ear. Liebherr does not come across as the arrogant ego-maniac that Cortese is.
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 This is precisely what i'm suggesting. It's in Markus's interest to be informed about how his club is being run. GO ON THEN...stop telling us about it and do it
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 By the way, does anyone know the reason for the alleged ban yet? Perhaps those that know Illingsworth could list all the reasons why the club might want to ban him. I don't mean putting vague, transcendent things like "they hate free speech", I mean listing the actual things that Illingsworth has done that might make the club feel like banning him. Ta. no we dont know...but now cortese has been influenced by benito mussolini... fecking christ
stevegrant Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Just a question. If Nicola is such a strong tyrant, and he wanted all us lot to know he was the KING os ST MARY's and he decided, 'I'm going to kick that p*ick Illingstworth in the Nuts and teach them all a lesson', and to do this he decided he was going to send a message that anyone who bad mouths him will lose their season ticket, as a lot are saying here, WHY DO IT SECRETLY? Case in point. The Isralis decide to teach Hamas a lesson, so they send in an undercover commando team and crack the few water pipes and disappear? NO, they blow the hell out of them and let everyone know what they have done, and they ar the ones that have done it. So why sneakily get back at NI by cancelling his season ticket? Why not just ban him from the ground or go to press and make him look like a ****? I'm still of the mind that it's a case of his ego has been dented as he is now an irrelevence and he don't like it. IMO, it's not his intention to portray himself as the King of St Mary's - he wants to be seen as the ruthless businessman that he clearly is, while also having a fan-friendly side to him as well (hence the free coffee to the ticket office queue incident). Coming out all guns blazing won't help him maintain that image, it'll make him appear to be a bit of a loose cannon and he'll certainly lose more support than he gains if he's publicly banning/revoking season tickets from fans who dare to utter a word against him or the club. Those who don't care one way or the other about Nick would certainly question the censorship issues this episode raises from a neutral perspective. Keeping it quiet ensures that nobody's any the wiser until one side blinks, and then if Nick reveals what's happened, they can just say "we would have dealt with it privately but you decided to go public with it". It would appear that one of the people Nick told about the situation privately has let the cat out of the bag, but until people started asking questions about it, he was quite happy to keep it quiet until he'd resolved the situation one way or the other. What he will do/would have done if/when he finds out the actual reason for it, only he knows, but many people in his situation would have been straight on the phone to the papers or on forums complaining about what had happened.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Hahaha, Dulldays is like a little girl on her first period. He makes me lol.
dune Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 well, save us your ramblings and write an email to herr markus..seeing as you think cortese is such a ****... or are you all mouth..? I have already repsonded to your question.
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 I think it is quite constructive actually. Markus might be completely oblivious to the bad feeling Cortese is causing amoung some groups of Saints fans, and might wish to be made aware of it so he can have a quiet work in Nicolas ear. Liebherr does not come across as the arrogant ego-maniac that Cortese is. Here you go again...
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Hahaha, Dulldays is like a little girl on her first period. He makes me lol. see posts like this shows that you really are rammed up the backside of those that run this place...no doubt in a discussion of censorship, I WILL get banned..and you will be allowed to carry on with your threats (oh, you cant, I have disbaled my PMs) and your usual bile please do not reply to me..and I wont to you..dont even mention me looking for a bite...put me on ignore...fair..?
benjii Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Can I suggest that sending an email about SFC to Mali, a company that has no commercial or structural links with SFC, is perhaps a little bit silly? Just a thought.
Chez Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 here is a question..after god know how much unfounded claims about cortese being like stalin, a tyrant, this or that..it being passed off as fact.. how would the admin on here like it if they were refused a ST for allowing such claims (which are probably against the laws of the land) not suggesting...just curious..? have you been sued for liable recently? You seem keen to protect fans from such a happening. Do you see that as NCs next move?
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 IMO, it's not his intention to portray himself as the King of St Mary's - he wants to be seen as the ruthless businessman that he clearly is, while also having a fan-friendly side to him as well (hence the free coffee to the ticket office queue incident). Coming out all guns blazing won't help him maintain that image, it'll make him appear to be a bit of a loose cannon and he'll certainly lose more support than he gains if he's publicly banning/revoking season tickets from fans who dare to utter a word against him or the club. Those who don't care one way or the other about Nick would certainly question the censorship issues this episode raises from a neutral perspective. Keeping it quiet ensures that nobody's any the wiser until one side blinks, and then if Nick reveals what's happened, they can just say "we would have dealt with it privately but you decided to go public with it". It would appear that one of the people Nick told about the situation privately has let the cat out of the bag, but until people started asking questions about it, he was quite happy to keep it quiet until he'd resolved the situation one way or the other. What he will do/would have done if/when he finds out the actual reason for it, only he knows, but many people in his situation would have been straight on the phone to the papers or on forums complaining about what had happened. Yeah, thats the first thing I would have done. I think you have been hanging around too many ego's of late.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Here you go again... What, saying 'might' when I am speculating? So as not to be speaking as fact when I don't know it to be fact? Yes, here I go again...
dune Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 see posts like this shows that you really are rammed up the backside of those that run this place...no doubt in a discussion of censorship, I WILL get banned..and you will be allowed to carry on with your threats (oh, you cant, I have disbaled my PMs) and your usual bile please do not reply to me..and I wont to you..dont even mention me looking for a bite...put me on ignore...fair..? How many tantrums have you had so far today? How long is it until your subscription runs out? How will you cope when it does?
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 have you been sued for liable recently? You seem keen to protect fans from such a happening. Do you see that as NCs next move? just curious..with the new government they are changing the way things are done....there are oodles of cases you can easily search for where peole have been in trouble for liable onthe interent..people have been in trouble for threatening behaviour on the internet...people as in individuals/site owners and even ISPs
dune Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Can I suggest that sending an email about SFC to Mali, a company that has no commercial or structural links with SFC, is perhaps a little bit silly? Just a thought. Of course it's silly, but if the club do not reply to fans, then take the issue above Cortese's head. He won't like it, but it may well improve the situation if mr Liebherr is made aware of what is going on.
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 What, saying 'might' when I am speculating? So as not to be speaking as fact when I don't know it to be fact? Yes, here I go again... I think we've all learnt that specualtion isnt that great when you are trying to win an argument.. Why dont we just deal with facts from now on....
Yorkshire Saint Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Can i suggest this whole message board and thread is perhaps a little bit silly/sad Just a thought
kpturner Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Can i suggest this whole message board and thread is perhaps a little bit silly/sad Just a thoughtIt is when we start talking about suing people for "liable" :-)
benjii Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Of course it's silly, but if the club do not reply to fans, then take the issue above Cortese's head. He won't like it, but it may well improve the situation if mr Liebherr is made aware of what is going on. But it's nothing to do with Mali. It is, as you agree, just silly.
benjii Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Can i suggest this whole message board and thread is perhaps a little bit silly/sad Just a thought You can, and I am inclined to agree today.
Junior Mullet Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Football clubs cannot be run just like any other business, it's just not how it works. Ignore the fans at your peril. History has shown time and time again that fans are pretty loyal and can take a bit of bashing but there comes a point when the tide changes...often very quickly. I think Lowe learnt that lesson although I doubt he would ever admit it. The club are IMO on the right side of the line at the moment and most of the changes seem to have been received favourably. Things can change quickly however and I can see a few cracks that the club would do well to make some timely repairs to.
Bucks Saint Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Originally Posted by Dave Benson Phillips "Ignoring complaints - FACT Ted Bates Trophy removed - FACT Pay and Display Parking - FACT Suites Re-named - FACT Booking Fee - FACT Matchday Surcharge - FACT Removal of Installment plan - FACT No notice of inteded removal of Installment Plan - FACT Late notice of Season Ticket Sales - FACT Short window to buy Season Tickets - FACT Intentionally sitting back and allowing Saints fans to worry/speculate on Pardews future - FACT Refunding NI's Season ticket - FACT Petty and Bitter squabbles with Echo - FACT Doubling the cost of matchday parking - FACT No information on memberships even though they promise them 'early July' - FACT There is plenty more, lots of little things start to paint a picture and become a bigger issue." FACT most of those are sensible decisions that affect the average fan not one jot. Lucky you in your ivory tower. But to say that these dont affect the average fan one jot is utter cr*p. Many affect me and I am pretty average (apart from having less than 3000 posts of course)
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 I think we've all learnt that specualtion isnt that great when you are trying to win an argument.. Why dont we just deal with facts from now on.... If I look through your post history, then I assume I will find absolutely no speculation and only facts?
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Nah, this thread is great. It give the chance for a small group of ego's to pretend that they are the center of all things SFC.
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 If I look through your post history, then I assume I will find absolutely no speculation and only facts? If you have the time, fill your boots.
stevegrant Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Yeah, thats the first thing I would have done. I think you have been hanging around too many ego's of late. Who the **** are you to tell me what I have or haven't been doing? If, for example, I banned you from this forum just for having an opinion I disapproved of, would you or would you not be straight onto other forums or emailing/phoning the Echo telling people about it, saying how I run SaintsWeb with an iron fist and that the forum's **** anyway because I don't let people have an opinion that differs from my own? I reckon you would... Believe it or not, many people quite like the idea of being able to stand up for their rights, one of which just happens to be freedom of speech. If you're happy to be gagged and/or told what to say and think, congratulations on your lack of a backbone.
dune Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 But it's nothing to do with Mali. It is, as you agree, just silly. Mail is owned by Markus Liebherr so there is the link. If SFC under Cortese choose to ignore you then just like with any other business you go above those ignoring you. If I had a complaint with say a supermarket and the manager didn't deal with my complaint satisfactorily I would contact his superiors. Cortese is just an employee at the end of the day and if he is doesn't deal with something to your satisfaction you can go higher than him.
Chez Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 just curious..with the new government they are changing the way things are done....there are oodles of cases you can easily search for where peole have been in trouble for liable onthe interent..people have been in trouble for threatening behaviour on the internet...people as in individuals/site owners and even ISPs no one is threatening Cortese on here and I don't see any great slurs either. Lots of speculation, but nothing for you to worry yourself about.
benjii Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Lucky you in your ivory tower, not being affected by any of these. But to say that these dont affect the average fan one jot is utter cr*p I don't think it is. Most Saints fans will not have strong feelings about any of those things IMO. Obviously some do, but that's life. You can't please everyone all the time.
Micky Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Of course it's silly, but if the club do not reply to fans, then take the issue above Cortese's head. He won't like it, but it may well improve the situation if mr Liebherr is made aware of what is going on. That in itself is silly. How do you know that the owner doesn't already know what's going on. You (we) are assuming that he doesn't - perhaps he does know, perhaps it is he that is directing Nicola, perhaps he is calling the shots, perhaps we should be directing all of this vitriol towards our new owner as opposed to NC.
benjii Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 (edited) Mail is owned by Markus Liebherr so there is the link. If SFC under Cortese choose to ignore you then just like with any other business you go above those ignoring you. If I had a complaint with say a supermarket and the manager didn't deal with my complaint satisfactorily I would contact his superiors. Cortese is just an employee at the end of the day and if he is doesn't deal with something to your satisfaction you can go higher than him. It's like sending a complaint about Sprite to Walkers crisps. And on the more general point - Cortese has done a great job and I'm pretty sure Liebherr is well aware of that. Edited 28 July, 2010 by benjii
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 I don't think it is. Most Saints fans will not have strong feelings about any of those things IMO. Obviously some do, but that's life. You can't please everyone all the time. Wahoo. There you go again. In one post telling everyone what a chopper NI is for speaking on behalf of all fans. Then in the next you claim to be speaking on behalf of all fans. LMAO
Micky Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 I think we can assume Nick has tried (a) or (b) and has received neither. Re-read my post. I am suggesting that he goes to see a human being at the ticket office in order to speak to them about the situation, as opposed to using electronic means over the ethernet. That way there is no interface required - he will get some sort of reaction or response. Your response is interesting though, you posted 13 words in which you both, thought and assumed - that is exactly the reason that this thread is now as long as it is.
Chez Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 I don't think it is. Most Saints fans will not have strong feelings about any of those things IMO. Obviously some do, but that's life. You can't please everyone all the time. I hope you don't me repeating myself, but if any Saints fan has been dissuaded from buying a ST ticket because of the decisions made by Cortse then that that decision is a poor one. The removal of the payment plan at short notice was dispicable and affects fans. This decision had nothing to do with not pleasing all the people all the time. This decision didn't please any people.
Bucks Saint Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 I don't think it is. Most Saints fans will not have strong feelings about any of those things IMO. Obviously some do, but that's life. You can't please everyone all the time. I already posted your last sentiment. I also said that most fans are ignoring this list of actions by the club. But that does not mean they are unaffected. If anyone intends to go to any games they cant avoid being affected.
thesaint sfc Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 meh. The club is sound and I believe Mr Cortese has the clubs best interests at heart. I support anything he does.
Chez Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Re-read my post. I am suggesting that he goes to see a human being at the ticket office in order to speak to them about the situation, as opposed to using electronic means over the ethernet. That way there is no interface required - he will get some sort of reaction or response. Does he live far from the ground?
Marsdinho Posted 28 July, 2010 Posted 28 July, 2010 Who the **** are you to tell me what I have or haven't been doing? If, for example, I banned you from this forum just for having an opinion I disapproved of, would you or would you not be straight onto other forums or emailing/phoning the Echo telling people about it, saying how I run SaintsWeb with an iron fist and that the forum's **** anyway because I don't let people have an opinion that differs from my own? I reckon you would... Believe it or not, many people quite like the idea of being able to stand up for their rights, one of which just happens to be freedom of speech. If you're happy to be gagged and/or told what to say and think, congratulations on your lack of a backbone. Banning me would only go against everything you have argued so far on this thread, and make you look a little bit of a t1t. Show me an example of where that has happened. Plenty of people have been banned from here (and its predecessor); I don’t remember too many stories in the echo highlighting the fact. You just backed up my thoughts of you, you seem to assume that the first point of call for anyone with a grievance is the press....we don’t all think like that. As for the backbone comment.....
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