djharvey Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 Shouldn't you be in bed? Haven't you got your best friends 10th Birthday Party tommorow? You need to get a good nights sleep if you want to win musical chairs. Seems like your the one who has been in all night 'living it up' jonah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 You are talking about events though, different kettle of fish. If you buy your match ticket from West Quay for a Saints home game and the match is cancelled. Do you expect a refund from the club or the ticket lady at West Quay? And if no refund is forthcoming, do you sue the club or the ticket office at West Quay? I think that answers all you need to know. xx You sue West Quay. Unless (a) there are specific contractual terms to the contrary or (b) West Quay ticket office is a legal subsisiary of Southampton FC ticket office. (I'm guessing both apply) "Events" are not, despite your slightly strange implication to the contrary, a separate legal category of contract law. A distributor of events tickets is in exactly the same position as a retailer selling products acquired from a wholesaler. It's possible you are right on this point, and the top lawyer from Slaughter and May I spoke to, with over twenty years experience of contract law, is wrong. But Id be surprsied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 You sue West Quay. Unless (a) there are specific contractual terms to the contrary or (b) West Quay ticket office is a legal subsisiary of Southampton FC ticket office. (I'm guessing both apply) "Events" are not, despite your slightly strange implication to the contrary, a separate legal category of contract law. A distributor of events tickets is in exactly the same position as a retailer selling products acquired from a wholesaler. It's possible you are right on this point, and the top lawyer from Slaughter and May I spoke to, with over twenty years experience of contract law, is wrong. But Id be surprsied. Apologies it is in the other thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24083-It-appears-that-Nick-Illingsworth-has-been-refused-a-season-ticket&p=794914#post794914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djharvey Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 (edited) Bored! Edited 30 July, 2010 by djharvey Bored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 Apologies it is in the other thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?24083-It-appears-that-Nick-Illingsworth-has-been-refused-a-season-ticket&p=794914#post794914 Thanks, have replied on otehr thread. Welcome to PM me. Not a hopeful sign that he describes it as a "boast". Also, not hopeful that he seems to think a reply (which I did get, promising a fuller reply a week later) might be the limit of his obligation. I havent met him, but he does give the impression of needing to be taken down a peg or two frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 Thanks, have replied on otehr thread. Welcome to PM me. Not a hopeful sign that he describes it as a "boast". Also, not hopeful that he seems to think a reply (which I did get, promising a fuller reply a week later) might be the limit of his obligation. I havent met him, but he does give the impression of needing to be taken down a peg or two frankly. What is the basis of your legal action? That you paid £10 to go to a pre match party and it was sh*t? Are you seriously going to all this trouble sueing the trust because they threw a sh*t party? I didn't go to Silverspoons, didn't fancy it because i felt it might be a big let down, too many barmies, too women. What is your legal argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 (edited) What is the basis of your legal action? That you paid £10 to go to a pre match party and it was sh*t? Are you seriously going to all this trouble sueing the trust because they threw a sh*t party? I didn't go to Silverspoons, didn't fancy it because i felt it might be a big let down, too many barmies, too women. What is your legal argument? I spent £60 (6 tickets) for a service that was absolutely nothing like the service advertised. Edited 30 July, 2010 by SaintBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 I spent £60 (6 tickets) for a service that was absolutely nothing like the service advertised. You are seriously going to this length over £60? why? Surely this is a wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 30 July, 2010 Share Posted 30 July, 2010 You are seriously going to this length over £60? why? Surely this is a wind up. Its about 4-6 hours work and would open the door to others reclaiming their cash. Also, I dont think - morally - that Saints Trust should get away with what they have done. Have probably spent longer on here discussing it now then it will actually take to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Its about 4-6 hours work and would open the door to others reclaiming their cash. Also, I dont think - morally - that Saints Trust should get away with what they have done. Have probably spent longer on here discussing it now then it will actually take to do it! Nick has shown a willingness to talk to you and apologise. If you actually take legal action against him over this then you are seriously weird. We have some massively douchey fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Nick has shown a willingness to talk to you and apologise. If you actually take legal action against him over this then you are seriously weird. We have some massively douchey fans. Then he can PM me on here (as I said in the otehr thread)...or reply to the emails I sent him and his organisation over the past 12 weeks! It's taken 4 months and me beginning legal action to trigger this. Not a courteous way to treat fee-paying customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Then he can PM me on here (as I said in the otehr thread)...or reply to the emails I sent him and his organisation over the past 12 weeks! It's taken 4 months and me beginning legal action to trigger this. Not a courteous way to treat fee-paying customers. Nick isn't on here so cannot PM you. Actually go ahead and take legal action. You would get laughed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 I am sure Nick will let you have your day in court. Luckily, even though we have some right mongtard fans, most of them won't try and bankrupt another Saints fan... regardless of what/who and whatever stupid things he might have done... so I don't see a massive queue of people running behind you to pick up their tenners. Enjoy your lawsuit, have you posted on the weekend thread? I reckon it will read something like this... Friday - Sue Nick Saturday - Find crack in pavement to fall over and sue council for personal injury. Sunday - Find pothole in road to drive in to sue council for damages to my Nissan Micra It must be great being you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 TBF if I'd paid £60 for something which was nothing like advertised, I'd want it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 TBF if I'd paid £60 for something which was nothing like advertised' date=' I'd want it back.[/quote'] Me too. As far as i'm aware the silverspoons thing wasn't done for charity, it was done a) for the benefit of fans and b) for the financial benefit of the promoters (one of whom was NI). By all accounts the promoters didn't deliver what they advertised so Saintbobby has every right to expect a refund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Amazing how many people seemingly know very little about consumer law. As SaintBobby eloquently highlights, his contract was with the person/organisation that sold him the goods/service. He has no direct recourse against any third party involved, e.g. The venue. If a consumer does not receive the goods/services 'as advertised' at the time of purchased then he/she is entitled to a refund. It really is that simple. Obviously, the retailer can dispute a consumer's claim but that involves responded to the original complaint/refund request at the time.... Disclaimer: the above is simply general observational comment on consumer law, not an opinion on the specific case being discussed in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 You sue West Quay. Unless (a) there are specific contractual terms to the contrary or (b) West Quay ticket office is a legal subsisiary of Southampton FC ticket office. (I'm guessing both apply) "Events" are not, despite your slightly strange implication to the contrary, a separate legal category of contract law. A distributor of events tickets is in exactly the same position as a retailer selling products acquired from a wholesaler. It's possible you are right on this point, and the top lawyer from Slaughter and May I spoke to, with over twenty years experience of contract law, is wrong. But Id be surprsied. And we all know that Top Lawyers are not cheap to speak to, and are waiting around for £60 lawsuits to get their teeth into Tomorrow ..... Ironside v's Shark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 I am sure Nick will let you have your day in court. Luckily, even though we have some right mongtard fans, most of them won't try and bankrupt another Saints fan... regardless of what/who and whatever stupid things he might have done... so I don't see a massive queue of people running behind you to pick up their tenners. It must be great being you. Paying back £60 won't bankrupt him will it especially if as you state no one else will follow. I'm right behind Saint Bobby, I would be ****ed of if I paid £60 for what I heard was crap and to not get a reply from The Trust would **** me off. At least Saintbobby is doing something for himself and not just on here moaning about it. Lets hope you don't fall of your bike this morning or the pavement might try and sue you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 i paid £60 once to watch saints with my 2 sons , it was cr*p with a team of youngsters , should i have sued Rupert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 i paid £60 once to watch saints with my 2 sons ' date=' it was cr*p with a team of youngsters ,[b'] should i have sued Rupert[/b] No .......just one shot would have been enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 i paid £60 once to watch saints with my 2 sons ' date=' it was cr*p with a team of youngsters , should i have sued Rupert[/quote'] No, because it wasn't advertised otherwise. If was advertised as "superb entertainment guaranteed with a team of Brazilian world cup stars" then, yes, you'd have had the full might of the Sale of Goods and Services Act and Trades Descriptions Act on your side. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 i paid £60 once to watch saints with my 2 sons ' date=' it was cr*p with a team of youngsters , should i have sued Rupert[/quote'] Caveat emptor with Saints matches. Didn't someone try and sue Man U for playing their kids in a League Cup match once, was it (Walsall or Wrexham). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Nick isn't on here so cannot PM you. Actually go ahead and take legal action. You would get laughed at. As asked for here, and on the other thread, if you or someone else can provide an email address for Illingsworth or the Trust that works and that they reply to, I will forward the correspondence. The email address on the holding page of their website bounced, by the way. If you have such info, but can't or don't want to provide it fair enough. But I am unable to discern other possible email addresses for Illingsworth or the Trust through telepathic means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Hypo, im a bit confused. In your opinion, is it ok for one person to ignore another person. Its just that you slag of NC in one thread for his treatment of NI, yet you defend NI for pretty much the same thing in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 As asked for here, and on the other thread, if you or someone else can provide an email address for Illingsworth or the Trust that works and that they reply to, I will forward the correspondence. The email address on the holding page of their website bounced, by the way. If you have such info, but can't or don't want to provide it fair enough. But I am unable to discern other possible email addresses for Illingsworth or the Trust through telepathic means! You could join http://www.theuglyinside.net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Hypo, im a bit confused. In your opinion, is it ok for one person to ignore another person. Its just that you slag of NC in one thread for his treatment of NI, yet you defend NI for pretty much the same thing in this thread. Clearly Nick has not deliberately ignored someone. He has said that he thought he had dealt with everyone affected. He has also offered to talk to the person involved to sort it out. I am now attempting to get Nick's email address so that that can happen and hopefully it can be sorted because I am certain that Nick would not have deliberately ignored him. Has NC offered to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 If you really wanted one you could have got one. I travelled a long way and stayed up most of the night. You could have too. Well done you - you can keep repeating your line in as patronising manner as possible but it still doesn't mean I could get to the ticket office in working hours without missing work commitments. Yes I could have pulled a sicky at work. However i tried the phone lines as much as I could & couldn't get trough. The original point to Stu was that every fan who wanted a ticket got one - I didn't for a start - was the game a sell out? Yes, did it help my cause that Stu had 30 tickets - no. End of discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Its taken the threat of legal action for Nick to offer a response. Up until that point, SaintBoggy had heard nothing. Sound familiar.. Maybe Cortese thinks he has dealt with everyone affected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Well done you - you can keep repeating your line in as patronising manner as possible but it still doesn't mean I could get to the ticket office in working hours without missing work commitments. Yes I could have pulled a sicky at work. However i tried the phone lines as much as I could & couldn't get trough. The original point to Stu was that every fan who wanted a ticket got one - I didn't for a start - was the game a sell out? Yes, did it help my cause that Stu had 30 tickets - no. End of discussion. I'm not being patronising. If you had really really wanted a ticket then you would have not gone to work and you would have got one. Everyone who took the time to queue up got a ticket. How do you know that I did not have similar circumstances to yourself and yet chose to stand in line half the night? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Its taken the threat of legal action for Nick to offer a response. Up until that point, SaintBoggy had heard nothing. Sound familiar.. Maybe Cortese thinks he has dealt with everyone affected. Nick said that he believed he had dealt with everyone over the matter. If Boggy was that irritated, he could have signed up on theuglyinside and started a thread, yet he would rather take the time and effort to seek legal advice. What a weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 No, the weirdo is the person that thinks you can sort everything out via internet forums, as opposed to the law courts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 No, the weirdo is the person that thinks you can sort everything out via internet forums, as opposed to the law courts. What a sad society we live in if you really believe that. As I told you, Nick goes to all home games (or did until this season) and a lot of away games. He is easy to track down if someone wanted to air a grievance about Silverspoons. He is also easy to find on his forum and I imagine he could also be contacted through the Echo. If I was truly hacked off about this, I would try a few avenues of communication and make sure that Nick has received the messages and chosen to ignore them before jumping to legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 What a sad society we live in if you really believe that. As I told you, Nick goes to all home games (or did until this season) and a lot of away games. He is easy to track down if someone wanted to air a grievance about Silverspoons. He is also easy to find on his forum and I imagine he could also be contacted through the Echo. If I was truly hacked off about this, I would try a few avenues of communication and make sure that Nick has received the messages and chosen to ignore them before jumping to legal action. ahh...you mean talk to him face to face..?# nick..ignoring emails....where have we heard that before..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Can I also say I can't believe I am defending Nick. I think he was an idiot for the Silverspoons thing and also a lot of the other initiatives but his heart is in the right place. To sue a fellow saints fan over 60 quid FFS. I suppose it's just the way I've been brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 ahh...you mean talk to him face to face..?# nick..ignoring emails....where have we heard that before..? So you won't let us speculate on the quite obvious reason for Nick's season ticket being revoked (because he voiced his opinion) yet you assume that Nick has ignored the emails despite quotes from Nick to the contrary? Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Can I also say I can't believe I am defending Nick. I think he was an idiot for the Silverspoons thing and also a lot of the other initiatives but his heart is in the right place. To sue a fellow saints fan over 60 quid FFS. I suppose it's just the way I've been brought up. so...it is ok that he went in with an ex 657 hoolie to not only lie to fellow fans but blatently rip them off.....it is all ok because his heart is supposed to be in the right place.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 so...it is ok that he went in with an ex 657 hoolie to not only lie to fellow fans but blatently rip them off.....it is all ok because his heart is supposed to be in the right place.. Yes I'm sure that was his intention. I would suggest that common sense should prevail here and that the poster threatening legal action should use the numerous methods of communication open to him to contact Nick directly and hopefully it will be sorted to his satisfaction. Do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Yes I'm sure that was his intention. I would suggest that common sense should prevail here and that the poster threatening legal action should use the numerous methods of communication open to him to contact Nick directly and hopefully it will be sorted to his satisfaction. Do you agree? do you not believe the poster when they have said they have been trying to contact the trust/nick..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 do you not believe the poster when they have said they have been trying to contact the trust/nick..? I believe they sent an email or two to the trust email address. As the website no longer exists and the website had not been updated in many months, I would suggest that the email address is either not in use anymore or is used very rarely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Can I also say I can't believe I am defending Nick. I think he was an idiot for the Silverspoons thing and also a lot of the other initiatives but his heart is in the right place. To sue a fellow saints fan over 60 quid FFS. I suppose it's just the way I've been brought up. He wants his sixty quid back what's so strange about that. Most times you just put it down to experience and swallow it but occasionally something winds you up to a point where you pursue, so I don't blame him. All NI has got to do is pay the money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 He wants his sixty quid back what's so strange about that. Most times you just put it down to experience and swallow it but occasionally something winds you up to a point where you pursue, so I don't blame him. All NI has got to do is pay the money back. It just wouldn't enter my head to take legal action against someone before I had actually spoken to them. Nick appears happy to speak to the poster. My username is playing up on theuglyinside or I would request his email address. I have no desire to see a saints fan like Nick get sued for a mistake he made (I'm sure many on here would love it though.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 I believe they sent an email or two to the trust email address. As the website no longer exists and the website had not been updated in many months, I would suggest that the email address is either not in use anymore or is used very rarely. used rarely..? they just had a bloody AGM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 It just wouldn't enter my head to take legal action against someone before I had actually spoken to them. Nick appears happy to speak to the poster. My username is playing up on theuglyinside or I would request his email address. I have no desire to see a saints fan like Nick get sued for a mistake he made (I'm sure many on here would love it though.) What exactly went wrong at Wembley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 What exactly went wrong at Wembley? "saints rock wembley" fast queues, cheap beer, ex saints speaking, family surroundings... none of which happened...there were so many horror stories...nick went into it with an ex skate hoolie and made a mint (apparently)... door staff charged what they wanted...urine all over the floor..about an hour or so to get a drink...no ex saint..prostitutes leaving work etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 used rarely..? they just had a bloody AGM Oh f*ck off delldays. We don't even know what email address was used. We have no idea if his messages got through to Nick or not. Nick says they didn't but he has also requested that the poster speaks to him now and he will reply. If saintbobby registers on theuglyinside and posts in the public forum, then if Nick ignores him I would say sue the arse off him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Oh f*ck off delldays. We don't even know what email address was used. We have no idea if his messages got through to Nick or not. Nick says they didn't but he has also requested that the poster speaks to him now and he will reply. If saintbobby registers on theuglyinside and posts in the public forum, then if Nick ignores him I would say sue the arse off him. swap nick for cortese/senior management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 What exactly went wrong at Wembley? Nick advertised this great bar called silverspoons which others had used successfully in the past. Unfortunately it was a shambles. When it happened Nick offered to reply to people who contacted him to try and sort things out. Everyone appeared satisfied (and presumably got a reply) apart from SaintBobby who seems to be threatening legal action (lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 It seems to me you are being a bit dramatic with the term 'sued'. The courts aren't going to take his house and life's savings, the bloke is looking for his money back plus costs, so that's £60 and a couple of hundred for costs. The courts will take into account any pre-case conduct and if they think Saintbobby has failed to speak to NI because he wants the case to go to court then the award will be reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 swap nick for cortese/senior management Has Cortese said he has not received any correspondence from Nick? Has Cortese offered to talk to Nick to try to sort it out? Has anyone from SFC tried to talk to Nick to sort it out? Has the Echo received and correspondence from SFC about the reasons for their ban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 July, 2010 Share Posted 31 July, 2010 Nick advertised this great bar called silverspoons which others had used successfully in the past. Unfortunately it was a shambles. When it happened Nick offered to reply to people who contacted him to try and sort things out. Everyone appeared satisfied (and presumably got a reply) apart from SaintBobby who seems to be threatening legal action (lol). no they did not...hence why people are still peed off.. you forgot the 657 hoolie bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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