Sutton Utd

[Saint Billy]

Alpine abuse towards you is mostly justified because you're an irritating coldsore which spreads constant negativity about Southampton on practically every thread. You call yourself a Southampton fan? You don't do much supporting, you just sit on your fat behind at your PC moaning constantly. "FFS NOT GOOD ENOUGH" thats all you ever seem to say. Most of us enjoy supporting Southampton, win lose or draw, for you where is the pleasure in being a Southampton fan if it brings you no enjoyment whatsoever than to annoy others on a forum with your endless whining and drivvle.

 

I suspect NC is doing the same amount of moaning dont you.

 

I guess that some of us would rather see a side that pushes aside minor opposition even in friendlies and start as they mean to go on.

[washsaint]

AP is a s***e manager and his tactics (or lack of) are crap. Make no mistake, we'll struggle to go up this year with that twonk in charge.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Something I have noticed over the years, we seem to play a load of meaningless friendlies pre-season with mixed up meaningless teams whilst the top sides play pre-season tournaments against other top sides fielding regular sides. We are playing two foreign sides, three conference south standard teams and Reading and are still experimenting. Over the years we have been amongst the poorest starters whilst those sides that test themselves seem to start well. A week from now we play our only match against a competitive team and apart from Eastleigh are then straight into Plymouth, on Sky, with a 1215 kick off which is our usual scenario for a disapointing result. There is nothing that has happened this season that leads me to believe that our start will be anything but the usual slow start, I hope I am wrong.

 

Sums it up in a nutshell for me

[SuperMikey]

AP is a s***e manager and his tactics (or lack of) are crap. Make no mistake, we'll struggle to go up this year with that twonk in charge.

 

Yeah, lets get Wotte back FFS!

[saintsmike25]

AP is a s***e manager and his tactics (or lack of) are crap. Make no mistake, we'll struggle to go up this year with that twonk in charge.

 

Who do you suggest we have instead?

[Super_Saint]

I can't understand how some of you moan at every opportunity you get. The season hasn't even started yet ffs!.

 

I don't post on here often, but I read some amount of tripe people post on here. Last year we had arguably one of the strongest teams in the league. This year we have improved certain areas that we needed to. The team has played together for almost a year. So surely we must have a good team and don't need to worry about one bad result.

 

Have a look at Dav's post of some other friendy matches. Bohemians beat Villa 2-1. I might be wrong but is that the same Bohemians that got thrashed 4-0 by The new Saints the other day. Results like this happen, I could point out loads of suprising results from the past if I wanted but it wouldn't be necessary.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Alpine abuse towards you is mostly justified because you're an irritating coldsore which spreads constant negativity about Southampton on practically every thread. You call yourself a Southampton fan? You don't do much supporting, you just sit on your fat behind at your PC moaning constantly. "FFS NOT GOOD ENOUGH" thats all you ever seem to say. Most of us enjoy supporting Southampton, win lose or draw, for you where is the pleasure in being a Southampton fan if it brings you no enjoyment whatsoever than to annoy others on a forum with your endless whining and drivvle.

 

If only the record didn't show that Alpine has been consistently proven to be right (at least as often as anyone else) over the years you might have a point .

[ericofarabia]

AP is a s***e manager and his tactics (or lack of) are crap. Make no mistake, we'll struggle to go up this year with that twonk in charge.

 

You forgot the smiley ... (I hope) ....

 

PS .... dots are the way forward, at least until we get a smiley that is in the shape of a cat's paws and can be used to signify pause instead of ..... dots!!!

[modern matron]

Pathetic judgemental bullsh*t.

 

Your way of supporting / following the team aint the only way, matey. At least I am capable of seeing the problems compared to the "In AP we trust" and "Get behind the team FFS" brigades.

 

Why are you so bloody depressing! The season hasdn't started but you're off again with this negative crap. Why do you bother? Virtually everyone disagrees with you...................TIRED OFF IT!!!

[vince]

I went to the game today. 1st half was poor, Sutton worked hard and played well (they had beaten Palace 2-1 in a previous game there). I thought Jaidi was poor at the back and will give away a lot of free kicks if he keeps leaning over players with both hands for headers. That said, Davis was at fault for the goal - he came out and clearly called for the ball, which Jaidi then let past, only for Davis not to make it in time and the striker go round him for a tap in.

 

2nd half was better, Oxlain-Chamberlain got into the game a bit more, but isn't the finished article yet and Holmes huffed and puffed but seemed to overrun the ball a lot. I liked Mills getting up and down on the left, but when you consider that our first shot on target from open play was mid way through the second half, we should be doing better. Yes, we were missing (creative) players today, but I would expect that team to have produced more. When it matters, they'll have to step up to the plate.

[The Kraken]

If only the record didn't show that Alpine has been consistently proven to be right (at least as often as anyone else) over the years you might have a point .

 

And proven wrong many more times too.

[ericofarabia]

Alpine abuse towards you is mostly justified because you're an irritating coldsore which spreads constant negativity about Southampton on practically every thread. You call yourself a Southampton fan? You don't do much supporting, you just sit on your fat behind at your PC moaning constantly. "FFS NOT GOOD ENOUGH" thats all you ever seem to say. Most of us enjoy supporting Southampton, win lose or draw, for you where is the pleasure in being a Southampton fan if it brings you no enjoyment whatsoever than to annoy others on a forum with your endless whining and drivvle.

 

Pathetic judgemental bullsh*t.

 

Your way of supporting / following the team aint the only way, matey. At least I am capable of seeing the problems compared to the "In AP we trust" and "Get behind the team FFS" brigades.

 

So you're not denying the fat behind (to go with your ample chest) remark then

[JackFrost]

FFS i couldn't care less about the result. Pre season friendlies are all about getting the players match fit for the new season whilst avoiding injury.

[S-Clarke]

AP is a s***e manager and his tactics (or lack of) are crap. Make no mistake, we'll struggle to go up this year with that twonk in charge.

 

Excellent, the nut jobs are out in force and it's only pre-season.

 

God help us if we don't win every game.

[RonManager]

When it matters, they'll have to step up to the plate.

 

So we're a baseball team now?

[Joensuu]

Sutton were definately a good squad, solid, and above all determined. Saints looked like their priority was trying to avoid picking up injuries. Saints stuggled in the first half, with several players out of position (I agree with experimentation, but it says something when you are playing left sided players in the middle of hte park, and a defensive midfielder supporting the lone forward. We just couldn't string any attacks together in this formation, with Lambert essentially getting little in the way of support.

 

It didn't improve things when Dickson went off, instead of sorting out the players being out of postions, Doble was tried as a forward, (allowing Hammond to drop back into midfield) While Doble tried hard, the team really couldn't string attacks together. The balance just didn't seem to be right.

 

Sutton definately had the best of the first half, their goal came from a Jaidi mistake (who had a mixed game, with some strange decisions). Sutton should have had a second, when they hit the inside of the post, and thankfully the ball bounced back out.

 

Barnard's introduction seemed to changed the game. Saints seemed to have a balance back, with Lambert sitting back, winning headers, which Lee chased down. For the last 20 minutes or so, Saints looked fluid and comfortable. They were creating opportunities, and could have netted a couple of times.

 

I think avoiding injury was a high priority, and as this was a friendly, despite what some on here say, the result really doesn't matter. The team know how to win, but their not going to be putting 100% into a preseason game, why risk being injured in a 50-50 tackle in a pointless game? While we are obviously going to be disapointed by the scoreline, I think we learn't some valuable lessons, and got a good runout.

 

Results during preseason only matter if a team has low moral. We certainly don't. Yes we can't expect to win ever game, but I expect when it matters we will start making the 50-50 tackles again, and stop experiementing with players out of position. I'm sure a couple more signings will galvanise this team: a leader in the middle, and pace upfront.

 

While not a great result, it's certainly not worth slitting your wrists over, and there were plenty of signs of promise.

[Viking Warrior]

Alpine

 

Given your comments here "At least I am capable of seeing the problems compared to the "In AP we trust" and "Get behind the team FFS" brigades".

 

You still have not answered my earlier post or was it beyond your intellect?

 

If your so friggin capable of seeing problems how comes your not a football manager. Or perhaps you are and you are manging your subuteo team and you can change your plastic players by pinting their hair a different colour etc

[ericofarabia]

So we're a baseball team now?

 

Well, Ted Bates was a Diamomd Geezer !!

[Crab Lungs]

LMFAO, ****ing hell, looks like the suicude squads are out in force again. Think we'll probably lose a few of you before the 7th August...

[The Kraken]

Alpine

 

Given your comments here "At least I am capable of seeing the problems compared to the "In AP we trust" and "Get behind the team FFS" brigades".

 

You still have not answered my earlier post or was it beyond your intellect?

 

If your so friggin capable of seeing problems how comes your not a football manager. Or perhaps you are and you are manging your subuteo team and you can change your plastic players by pinting their hair a different colour etc

 

Because he doesn't offer solutions to anything; just unsubstantiated criticism that cannot be proved or disproved one way or the other. Ask for any solutions to a problem and you'll just get a response telling you that the manager should be capable of making those decisions.

 

Although when he does venture out of his comfort zone and predict things (rather than just snipe) he shows up his cluelessness; for instance at the start of last season by claiming that Lallana and Schneiderlin did not warrant their places in the team and should be replaced. And I happily predict that his doom-laden predictions of us getting off to as bad a start as last season will add to his list of wrongness.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

And proven wrong many more times too.

 

Well he look after himself, but off the top of my head I can think of a least 3 major issues when events have proved him to be right .

 

1 - The merits of a former chairman's 'Revolutionary new coaching' set up .

2 - The great George Burley debate .

3 - Starting the season a few years ago without the benefit of fit centre halfs

 

As you're so critical perhaps you'd care to enlighten the forum with your record ?

[Smirking_Saint]

AP is a s***e manager and his tactics (or lack of) are crap. Make no mistake, we'll struggle to go up this year with that twonk in charge.

 

He is not a sh*te manager and TBH i think Wotte's mum would have little excuse not to get us promoted this year.

 

AP is not as godly as everyone thinks however, ATM we play pretty one dimensional and he doesn't seem able to change it from a long ball game, even though we seem to have the players to actually PLAY football.

[John B]

LMFAO, ****ing hell, looks like the suicude squads are out in force again. Think we'll probably lose a few of you before the 7th August...

 

It is a shame that you do not seem not able to understand the different points of view on the Forum

 

Some think we should doing better others think Pre Season is for getting the team fit and the results dont matter.

 

Do you think if we dont play well against Barnet and Reading we will be in good shape to play Plymouth

 

I hope we start playing well if we are to win League 1 as easily as fans are expecting

[View From The Top]

The Anti-Pardew mongs are out in force already I see.

[ericofarabia]

He is not a sh*te manager and TBH i think Wotte's mum would have little excuse not to get us promoted this year.

 

AP is not as godly as everyone thinks however, ATM we play pretty one dimensional and he doesn't seem able to change it from a long ball game, even though we seem to have the players to actually PLAY football.

 

So you are saying she could get our boysh up ... might interest Rooney ... he used to be into grannies !! OOOpps sorry allegedly etc

[Viking Warrior]

Yes its very depressing when the suicide squads come out in force especially for a meaningless friendly.

 

Being a member of another saints list. I was chuffed to bits to read the latest visit of the chernobyl kids from the Fan of the Year. AP and the players met with the kids at staplewood.

Its matters like this that make pround to be a saints fan. The club is in good hands, we are on the up and I have a good feeling about the future and I for one will not be swayed by the ultra negative brigade on here.

 

yes we will have the odd bad game but it cannot get any worse than the season before last. That did hurt, but I have never given up believing. Saints is for life. Im old enough to have experienced all the emotions of saints. How many were at Elland road when we were

torn to threads 7-0 by leeds, that was pityful. I was there . You would have something to moan about there Alpine. But we improved after that. COYR's

[Smirking_Saint]

The Anti-Pardew mongs are out in force already I see.

 

Don't get me wrong, i am not anti pardew mate, i am not negative, today was pre-season, just a fitness and form exercise.

 

I am however able to look at things objectively and speak what is my opinion, if that makes me an anti-pardew mong then so be it.

 

I just don't get caught up with the wrist slitters or the happy clappies.

[John B]

Don't get me wrong, i am not anti pardew mate, i am not negative, today was pre-season, just a fitness and form exercise.

 

I am however able to look at things objectively and speak what is my opinion, if that makes me an anti-pardew mong then so be it.

 

I just don't get caught up with the wrist slitters or the happy clappies.

 

I think you are pretty realistic actually.

 

 

Results and Form could be a little better but hopefully Pardew will get things right ASAP

[Crab Lungs]

It is a shame that you do not seem not able to understand the different points of view on the Forum

 

Some think we should doing better others think Pre Season is for getting the team fit and the results dont matter.

 

Do you think if we dont play well against Barnet and Reading we will be in good shape to play Plymouth

 

I hope we start playing well if we are to win League 1 as easily as fans are expecting

 

Seriously though... what indication does a good or bad pre-season give anyone?

 

In many respects, very little.

 

Every summer, clubs go through excellent pre-seasons, subsequently following that form up with terrible league form. Conversely, some teams are dreadful in the build up to a campaign but hit the ground running come the first fixture.

 

I take your point regarding playing well, I really do. I'm an advocate of "the better you play, the more chance you've of winning" (sounds quite obvious really though these days there is a growing popularity for the "win at all costs" mantra), believe me. However, I'm really not too concerned with majestic performances or humbling sides - I'm more interested in the energy/fitness levels and understanding building gradually, culminating and peaking in the first league game.

[Smirking_Saint]

Seriously though... what indication does a good or bad pre-season give anyone?

 

In many respects, very little.

 

Every summer, clubs go through excellent pre-seasons, subsequently following that form up with terrible league form. Conversely, some teams are dreadful in the build up to a campaign but hit the ground running come the first fixture.

 

I take your point regarding playing well, I really do. I'm an advocate of "the better you play, the more chance you've of winning" (sounds quite obvious really though these days there is a growing popularity for the "win at all costs" mantra), believe me. However, I'm really not too concerned with majestic performances or humbling sides - I'm more interested in the energy/fitness levels and understanding building gradually, culminating and peaking in the first league game.

 

I agree with this

 

Problem is i find myself looking at the team and looking at the result and thinking that we must have underperformed, however i keep myself realistic by reminding myself that if we HAD one 8-0 or something humbling and rediculous i would be saying to myself that it was only pre-season and TBF it's not really a judge of anything.

 

The only thing that is important in these friendlies is for AP to find the best team for Plymouth, getting the players to a fit level without picking up any injuries that could affect the season, at the moment i am pretty happy with things, richardson aside.

 

I am confident that AP has identified the areas that need addressing and that we will have the players soon.

[Matthew Le God]

Barnet beat Charlton today.

 

Saints play Barnet on Tuesday.

 

It will be interesting to see what the pessimists think of the outcome of that game.

[itchen_dan]

I agree with this

 

Problem is i find myself looking at the team and looking at the result and thinking that we must have underperformed, however i keep myself realistic by reminding myself that if we HAD one 8-0 or something humbling and rediculous i would be saying to myself that it was only pre-season and TBF it's not really a judge of anything.

 

The only thing that is important in these friendlies is for AP to find the best team for Plymouth, getting the players to a fit level without picking up any injuries that could affect the season, at the moment i am pretty happy with things, richardson aside.

 

I am confident that AP has identified the areas that need addressing and that we will have the players soon.

 

+1

 

Fully agree with this. Whenever I look at pre season, i do realise that it is about results as well as fitness but then you look back to the year we were beating Norwegian sides (?) 12-0 or whatever it was in pre season and just remember how that season ended up.

 

As already posted on this thread, during pre season there are a few unexpected results around the country and IMO pre season is mainly about fitness and finding the correct blend of players ready for the big kick off rather than stuffing sides and gaining nothing out of it.

[St Chalet]

Interesting to read the past 6 odd pages. The comfort for me is that those who went to the game (and I would assume are the type that attend home and away) don't seem that phased by result.

 

We were lacking some creation in midfield, tried some players in different positions and seemed to be able to perform best when the experimenting stopped.

 

The fact is Pardew will want to try things, when better to do it in late July when it doesn't actually matter?

 

Reading next week will be a different test but as others have said, the true test is August 7th.

[Saint_Jimbo83]

I was at Sutton today and it was clear we lack any spark or creativity in midfield without Lallana and Puncheon. We will need cover for those two, Holmes was very poor today and not up to it.

[alpine_saint]

Alpine

 

Given your comments here "At least I am capable of seeing the problems compared to the "In AP we trust" and "Get behind the team FFS" brigades".

 

You still have not answered my earlier post or was it beyond your intellect?

 

If your so friggin capable of seeing problems how comes your not a football manager. Or perhaps you are and you are manging your subuteo team and you can change your plastic players by pinting their hair a different colour etc

 

Nope, just not wasting oxygen on answering a nutjob that abuses me at every opportunity.

[alpine_saint]

And proven wrong many more times too.

 

Examples, please.

[ericofarabia]

Barnet beat Charlton today.

 

Saints play Barnet on Tuesday.

 

It will be interesting to see what the pessimists think of the outcome of that game.

 

I think someone should give The Samaritans a heads up and The Police should seal off The Northam Bridge Area

[ericofarabia]

Examples, please.

 

There were certainly a few times on Match Day freds were you basically said we were doomed after leaking in an early goal, and lo and behold we would score moments later and go on to win handsomely.

 

But, I KNOW, that it was just a ploy like the Muffins, Woots and weather reports type lucky charm and you didn't really mean it

[Matthew Le God]

Examples, please.

 

This? About Pardew...04-07-2010 01:09 PM

 

I reckon he's talking to Fulham.

Edited 24 July, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

Or this? On 01-10-2009 08:55 PM

 

Where will Saints finish this season thread (2009/10)

 

16th-18th.

 

Interesting that was the day that Saints form took a massive upturn for the rest of the season.

Edited 24 July, 2010 by Matthew Le God

[Matthew Le God]

So many options.

 

13,000 of them in fact to choose from

[vince]

Sutton definately had the best of the first half, their goal came from a Jaidi mistake (who had a mixed game, with some strange decisions).

 

I didn't see it as a Jaidi mistake (but he did have a mixed game). Davis called for the ball, Jaidi left it and Davis got beaten to it by the striker. You could argue the ""safety first" line, but the call was loud and clear and you would expect the defender to leave it under those circumstances.

[Viking Warrior]

Well Alpine you clearly have contradicted yourself and wasted oxygen by typing your response to my request

Oh and perhaps if you started posting something positive for a change you would encourage all us nutjobs having a constant dig at you

 

Would you like to call me a nutjob to my face? but then you woulfd put a negative stance to it.

 

Occassionally you make a valid point but it is not very often. Im sure AP would have put out his best side today but players do get injured and tend to pick up more injuries in pre season friendlies.

Down to a number of reasons. Including the less skillful teams clubs play against, Not being 100 match fit, down to accidents and more than anything else bone hard pitches.

 

Look how many injuries other clubs have had in the last two weeks and there will be more. Its a fact you do not bring into your equation when being negative.

 

I believe we have a good squad and yes we will be getting a couple more additions and we will do well this season. For a start we don not have to contend with a -10 points deduction that was a huge millstone round our necks last season

 

So there are many reasons to be optomistic.

 

Now for lashing of ginger beer what old boy

[NickG]

So, what will you identify as the problem when we start the 2010-11 season as badly as the 2009-10 season ?

 

You wont even be able to blame -10points.

 

if ffs not when, says more about you than saints

[NickG]

Of course, but the excuses and time are running thin. Really thin.

 

We are not getting the flying start we were all hoping for. I reckon AP doesnt completely know his first XI yet, or how to play them.

 

or couple of injuries, you do realise that we can't have a flying start until season starts?

[John Smith]

I don;t think this is a 'normal' pre-season. Whereas other managers may be looking for their best 11, due to none of the good players leaving from last season, there's not a lot of room for play. So, we need to try out other possibilities, blood what newbies we have and spread the playing time around so that all get some match fitness. I'm not saying we're being complacent, and we must remember that getting key players injured in pre-season is not going to help at all. So, keep them all fit, get them all playing time and go strong at the beginning of the season when everyone is comfortable in their correct positions and regular partners. Pre-season is exactly what it says on the tin 'pre', which is before the season begins.

 

Not saying this means we will win every game, just think we're looking to peak at the right time, and we all know that that is at christmas time.

[The Kraken]

Examples, please.

 

I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes looking through your depressing post history to pluck these out, but here you go.

 

Lallana and Schneiderlin can't cut it and should be replaced. August 2009.

 

Morgan Schneiderlin, "Strong contender for Most Overrated Player at Saints, currently, imo." and "He's not what we need for League 1, imo." September 2009

 

"List the players still at SFC with suspect temperament/commitment.

Saga

Lallana

Schneiderlin

 

Anyone else?"

September 2009

 

"Can anyone see Cortese putting up with this much longer ? Sorry, I cannot. He's an experienced professional who has given huge support to the manager and players who arent delivering.

I expect to see more changes in personnel over the next couple of months." September 2009.

 

Anyway, as I said you're much more prone to making negative, controversial statements and sniped against the club that usually can't be proved or disproved one way or the other. Although I did quite enjoy your assertion earlier where you think we'll get off to as bad a start to the season as we did last year.

[Viking Warrior]

Heres another example and as someone has already stated there are 13000 of them

 

Erm, Pardew has had 10, not 2, and the team is making no progress whatsoever.

 

 

A classic quote from our esteemed alpine ( early last september after the 3-2 defeat to bristol

[Viking Warrior]

I was wondering how many of those that were at the game today also went to the Swiss games and farnboro

Can anybody give an accurate assesment on how much you think the team have improved progressed fitness and skill wise since the intial game just over a week ago.

The team clearly gelled while they were in switzerland that was self evident , May sue whistle and stve grant were at todays game I would like to hear their assessments.

[NickG]

Examples, please.

 

easy - anyone better than GB- what happened when he left? As I warned him!