suewhistle Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Guys, give it a rest, for Chrissake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 The maths is to do with the difference in ST prices form last year. If I read your earlier post right you said the increase had priced people out. It is based on a single ticket price but sure, a family will have to find a higher "lump". Did I? Which earlier post is this? I don't think I have ever said the 10% rise in ticket prices have priced anyone out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I have just given you an example of how as a direct result of not sending out renewals, the club didn't get 2 season tickets. If they had sent a renewal reminder they would have sent it back and renewed but were too busy running their business to worry about looking for renewal dates. The owners aren't even Saints fans! Are you telling me I am wrong??? Really??? If so, that just proves the fact that some of your mongs can't see further than you're own nose. :lol: Yip and the fact we have sold more season tickets than last season yet still three more weeks to sell, guess you will have to wait for your letter before you renew eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I have just given you an example of how as a direct result of not sending out renewals, the club didn't get 2 season tickets. If they had sent a renewal reminder they would have sent it back and renewed but were too busy running their business to worry about looking for renewal dates. The owners aren't even Saints fans! Are you telling me I am wrong??? Really??? If so, that just proves the fact that some of your mongs can't see further than you're own nose. :lol: Btw tell your mate they are not sending out renewal letters but he still has 17 days to renew his tickets. Surely if all he needs is a letter of intent then your word of mouth should be equally good enough as a reminder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Don't you just love how positive news can be turned into a negitive thread. Fantastic work guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Are you the postman or the letterbox in your relationship with Cortese? You're the letterbox of this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Are you the postman or the letterbox in your relationship with Cortese? I didn't need a letter just like all those thousands who have already renewed, did you tell your mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So in your opinion, the club would have not got a single more sale if they had done any of the following... a) Send renewals out. b) Contact people on the database with purchase history from last season. c) Put them on sale earlier. d) Conducted advertising and marketing campaigns. There's just 4 examples, there are many many more ways they could have maximised sales. Are you saying that the club would have not made a single extra sale had they done any of them? Imagine all the extra women, children and students it would have attracted. Stu would have hated it.... oh no he wouldn't, as he isn't planning on going to home games this season as he feels our football club is being ruined (or something along those lines) by Cortese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I didn't need a letter just like all those thousands who have already renewed, did you tell your mate I mentioned it in passing conversation a week or so ago, and he said " well the club couldn't be arsed to contact me so I haven't bothered renewing the tickets, and definately not going to now they are full whack " But no, you speak on behalf of every single person in the world when you say that NOBODY has not renewed because of a lack of renewal pack. There is no point debating with you if you still think that even when I have posted an example to the contrary. 'ignore' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 dont know why stu cares...he never cared about anyone else when he got hold of 30 tickets for the JPT final...at the cost of other fans going..he never cared one bit that he got more than his fair share.. he doesnt even go to games for the football..he even states that football is secondary to getting as drunk as possible... now, all of a sudden, he cares... just like is says he does not use twitter......he is full of crap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 (edited) This is great news. I honestly didn't think we'd sell this many. Edited 20 July, 2010 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 You're the letterbox of this forum. Don't you mean toolbox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I think we have to get used to and accept a change in attitude towards season tickets. We are used to a culture where ST holders are gods and should be worshipped by their respective clubs. It is clear that Cortese's view is that ST's represent a great deal for consumers and therefore don't need any other incentives attached to them. I believe that the strategy adopted was deliberate and perhaps Cortese was concerned they would sell too many ST's with the additional incentives of instalment plans etc. which would reduce their revenue forecast. Perhaps these sales numbers prove he was right. Regardless of our views, we need to adjust to the fact that a ST is a relatively very cheap way of seeing your team and if you want to spread the cost as well then you will need to purchase it using an interest free credit card offer. Cortese is not going to come knocking on your door asking you to re-consider your decision not to renew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 dont know why stu cares...he never cared about anyone else when he got hold of 30 tickets for the JPT final...at the cost of other fans going..he never cared one bit that he got more than his fair share.. he doesnt even go to games for the football..he even states that football is secondary to getting as drunk as possible... now, all of a sudden, he cares... just like is says he does not use twitter......he is full of crap Are you still going on like some obsessed little baby? Diddums. Oh, and the extra tickets I managed to blag were for P*rtmsouth game, because when they took our 15 tickets at the ticket office, they only registered one season ticket at the box office, meaning 14 of the tickets could buy again, which they did. Get your facts right numpty b*llocks. Anyway, are you jealous because I have contacts that can get me a few perks along the way? That's what it seems like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I mentioned it in passing conversation a week or so ago, and he said " well the club couldn't be arsed to contact me so I haven't bothered renewing the tickets, and definately not going to now they are full whack " But no, you speak on behalf of every single person in the world when you say that NOBODY has not renewed because of a lack of renewal pack. There is no point debating with you if you still think that even when I have posted an example to the contrary. 'ignore' So he wasn`t that keen on renewing any way. They couldn`t be bothered to send a renewal so I can`t be bothered to renew. Yep, we really lost those didn`t we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So despite massive investment in players, winning the club's first trophy in decades and the club expected to walk the league - season ticket sales are roughly the same as last year. Obviously there could have been much more if handled differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Are you still going on like some obsessed little baby? Diddums. Oh, and the extra tickets I managed to blag were for P*rtmsouth game, because when they took our 15 tickets at the ticket office, they only registered one season ticket at the box office, meaning 14 of the tickets could buy again, which they did. Get your facts right numpty b*llocks. Anyway, are you jealous because I have contacts that can get me a few perks along the way? That's what it seems like. Whilst we're on the subject of extra tickets, I know for a fact that the head of security at SMS (Mark Long) who is also involved in security at Wembley had 50 tickets for the Pompy game which he sold to whomever he pleased, whether Saints or Pompey fans. The same was also done for the Leeds at home game, where he sold 50 tickets off, some of which went to Leeds fans. Now i'm not sure but I remember something about their being trouble with Leeds fans in the Itchen Stand? For the head of security that was pretty p*ss poor. I considered writing to the club about it, but never did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So he wasn`t that keen on renewing any way. They couldn`t be bothered to send a renewal so I can`t be bothered to renew. Yep, we really lost those didn`t we. It's quite a simple point, now you may be getting old and senile, so I will put it in clearer English for you. The season tickets were not for him, he bought them for his employees to share ( many businesses do similar ) . As a result he doesn't look at the OS or pro-actively chase, he waits for the bill to come in and then sends it back with the payment. As there was no 'bill' he hasn't bothered this season, especially because he is a businessman and shares the view that if they can't be arsed to contact him, then he can't be bothered to give them his money. Actually, I think I know what you mean... they are not a super fan like you so the club is better off without them... OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So despite massive investment in players, winning the club's first trophy in decades and the club expected to walk the league - season ticket sales are roughly the same as last year. Obviously there could have been much more if handled differently. The 13,000 figure from last season includes half season tickets. The pre-season figure for last year was around 11,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 The 13,000 figure from last season includes half season tickets. The pre-season figure for last year was around 11,000. 11500 actually. So probably less than 2000 extra at the same point last year when we had 2 weeks to sell them, -10 points, no chance of promotion etc. Dress it up any way you want, I wouldn't call that a significant rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Not for you, but then again you are completely tunnel-visioned into your own view. Not everyone is as devoted to the club as you, not everyone sits on the internet for hours on day checking on all things SFC like me and you, not everyone talks about SFC all day every day like me and you, other people have other things they do in the summer and need encouragement and motivation through advertising/marketing to get their arse into gear and buy a ticket. I think that's the difference between me and you/dulldays/nickg etc... I can empathise with other supporters and put myself in their shoes... you evidently can't. BUT, because we have sold more this season than last, what you are actually saying is that for every ST that didn;t renew, we averaged 1.5 St's from a new pot. And therefore, more people have found out about season tickets this season, than did last season and that was with the advertising and renewals you claimed were imperitive? You're not looking at the figures, you haven't considered the conclusion, and that is, less money spent, more money in, wow, good job NC! (I know you echo my sentiments). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 11500 actually. So probably less than 2000 extra at the same point last year when we had 2 weeks to sell them, -10 points, no chance of promotion etc. Dress it up any way you want, I wouldn't call that a significant rise. I'd say the relief at still having a club caused many to rush out and buy one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 so..without actually spending on advertisement like stu-pot wants...we have 1000s more ST holders so far with the money all in up front...with a few weeks to go till the dealine.... not a bad return to (help) pay for our promotion push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I'd say the relief at still having a club caused many to rush out and buy one. I don't think so personally. Fans are fickle, they want success... there was no chance of it last season, so people didn't bother. Still... 2000 extra this season is not a significant rise, any way you look at it. I tell you one thing though, this subject is even starting to bore the f*ck out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I don't think so personally. Fans are fickle, they want success... there was no chance of it last season, so people didn't bother. Still... 2000 extra this season is not a significant rise, any way you look at it. I tell you one thing though, this subject is even starting to bore the f*ck out of me. about 25-30% rise though...so just under 1/3 already im sure if it was 30% down you would NOT be saying it is nothing "significant" would you....nope, deffo would not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 so..without actually spending on advertisement like stu-pot wants...we have 1000s more ST holders so far with the money all in up front...with a few weeks to go till the dealine.... not a bad return to (help) pay for our promotion push Do you just want to suck me off and get it over with? You're obsession is starting to worry me a bit, it has to be said. Weirdo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I don't think so personally. Fans are fickle, they want success... there was no chance of it last season, so people didn't bother. Still... 2000 extra this season is not a significant rise, any way you look at it. I tell you one thing though, this subject is even starting to bore the f*ck out of me. Speak for yourself, I do remember your "no chance of the play-offs now, i'm not going to what's basically a friendly" rants. Nearly everyone else didn't see it that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 It's quite a simple point, now you may be getting old and senile, so I will put it in clearer English for you. The season tickets were not for him, he bought them for his employees to share ( many businesses do similar ) . As a result he doesn't look at the OS or pro-actively chase, he waits for the bill to come in and then sends it back with the payment. As there was no 'bill' he hasn't bothered this season, especially because he is a businessman and shares the view that if they can't be arsed to contact him, then he can't be bothered to give them his money. Devil's advocate alert..... What triggered him to buy the season tickets the first time around? (i.e. before he was a 'regular customer'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I already have given an insight into the costs. Contacting people on database = The cost of a few season tickets. The club will have a favourable deal with Cedar Press. ( Free if done by email ). I got an e-mail sometime ago regarding the latest news at Saints which contained information regarding season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 about 30% rise though...so just under 1/3 already im sure if it was 30% down you would NOT be saying it is nothing "significant" would you....nope, deffo would not.. Hello stalker... I suggest you go and do some sums or do a few sums and work out the percentage difference between 12000 and 13500, you might find it useful to use the following link. http://www.onlineconversion.com/percentcalc.htm No need to thank me. I am in meetings till 5 now, but I will reply as soon as I get out honey. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I think we have to get used to and accept a change in attitude towards season tickets. We are used to a culture where ST holders are gods and should be worshipped by their respective clubs. It is clear that Cortese's view is that ST's represent a great deal for consumers and therefore don't need any other incentives attached to them. I believe that the strategy adopted was deliberate and perhaps Cortese was concerned they would sell too many ST's with the additional incentives of instalment plans etc. which would reduce their revenue forecast. Perhaps these sales numbers prove he was right. Regardless of our views, we need to adjust to the fact that a ST is a relatively very cheap way of seeing your team and if you want to spread the cost as well then you will need to purchase it using an interest free credit card offer. Cortese is not going to come knocking on your door asking you to re-consider your decision not to renew. seems a strange attitude considering the stadium is only two thirds full these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Hello stalker... I suggest you go and do some sums or do a few sums and work out the percentage difference between 12000 and 13500, you might find it useful to use the following link. http://www.onlineconversion.com/percentcalc.htm No need to thank me. I am in meetings till 5 now, but I will reply as soon as I get out honey. xxx Say hi to Rochelle for us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So how many tickets have been sold then????????? or is that too difficult question for this thread??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So how many tickets have been sold then????????? or is that too difficult question for this thread??? Over 13,000. It's on the OS and in the OP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I don't think so personally. Fans are fickle, they want success... there was no chance of it last season, so people didn't bother. Still... 2000 extra this season is not a significant rise, any way you look at it. I tell you one thing though, this subject is even starting to bore the f*ck out of me. Stu, on this occasion i think you have been proved wrong. There is no shame in that. In an economy with the uncertainty in the jobs market, high fuel prices , inflation starting to raise its head, etc etc it is a credit that we have indeed increased ticket sales. You will of course point to promotion certainties (I dont believe we are) but last season we had the new regime and a wonderful feeling of cleansing and that bolstered our sales then. If the club happened to make a decent signing that made us sit up then i can see us getting quite a few more fans get tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 im just pleased the tickets are selling well - good thing no? =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Are you speaking on behalf of EVERYONE? Have you asked EVERYONE? - No, you're not. My mates business had 2 season tickets which they gave to employees, they didn't get a renewal notice so lapsed, by the time they noticed the discounted rates had gone so they didn't renew. There is at least one story that was posted on here of one person not renewing because they didn't get renewal notice. Some people, mainly older people still live by having an offer in writing. Oh sorry... because everyone supports the club exactly the same way that you do, don't they? FFS Are you speaking on the behalf of everyone? No you are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 So he wasn`t that keen on renewing any way. They couldn`t be bothered to send a renewal so I can`t be bothered to renew. Yep, we really lost those didn`t we. er, well by the sounds of it yes we did lose them. Not all season ticket holders feel their lives will end if they don't renew. Some need gentle coaxing and the clubs bank balance will benefit from persuading as many people as possible to buy a ticket. Amist these threads I think SRS has tried to point out that not all fans are the same and a gentle nudge CAN genuinely make a difference when it comes to them renewing. In the club's defence they have done just this via email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 im just pleased the tickets are selling well - good thing no? =) Me too. But some people have an agenda against NC and nothing will stop them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 A hugely disappointing figure, but entirely predictable. This probably just means that a couple of thousand people who were going last season anyway will now not need to buy in advance. Can't see much difference in actual attendances at the start of the season, which given starting on zero and favourites for the title is pretty bad. Should have been looking at 15-18k STs, and that was entirely achievable given the right price/structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I have just given you an example of how as a direct result of not sending out renewals, the club didn't get 2 season tickets. If they had sent a renewal reminder they would have sent it back and renewed but were too busy running their business to worry about looking for renewal dates. The owners aren't even Saints fans! Are you telling me I am wrong??? Really??? If so, that just proves the fact that some of your mongs can't see further than you're own nose. :lol: Of course, it couldn't possibly be that the business was suffering in the recession, as is my own business and the boss took the decision that he couldn't really afford to buy these two tickets and used the lack of a reminder as an excuse? Otherwise, I'm inclined to agree with Saint Warwick and hold the opinion that an on the ball boss, or the beneficiaries on his munificence ought to have been bright enough to have remembered when the ST renewals were due to take place. It was only the work of a few moments to access the club's website to ascertain the closing date deadline for the early discount. And I note that just because somebody disagrees with you, they continue to be called mongs. But as you have been proven to be wrong over this issue, you really ought to have a good look in your mirror before disparaging those whose opinions have been proven to be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 A hugely disappointing figure, but entirely predictable. This probably just means that a couple of thousand people who were going last season anyway will now not need to buy in advance. Can't see much difference in actual attendances at the start of the season, which given starting on zero and favourites for the title is pretty bad. Should have been looking at 15-18k STs, and that was entirely achievable given the right price/structure. Still plenty of time for more sales yet; I'm planning on getting mine closer to the deadline. This released figure is only an indicator of current sales, not a final figure. We may yet creep up to the 15K mark, which is the level at which I think the sales figure could be deemed a success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Still plenty of time for more sales yet; I'm planning on getting mine closer to the deadline. This released figure is only an indicator of current sales, not a final figure. We may yet creep up to the 15K mark, which is the level at which I think the sales figure could be deemed a success. what was our sales like when in the championship...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 what was our sales like when in the championship...? I have no idea DellDays; perhaps you could enlighten me? What were they like in the Premier League? And why is it relevant? Our overall atendances compared to the Championship are significant;y up, so why should we not expect the same with seasosn tickets?? Based on having 11.5K season ticket holders last year, having made some good signings already with more expected to follow, no points deduction, going into the season as holders of a cup, expectations of a successful season high, well regarded new owner in place, bookies favourite for promotion, I would have put a season ticket figure of 15K as a successful figure. That's not to decry the 13K we have already, which I think is reasonably decent, but pretty low when compared to Norwich last year who were in a similar position to that we are in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Reality check - we are a league 1 club. I can't believe that people expect us to sell 18k+ season tickets. Yes we have great prospect of going up this year, but it's still (based on leagues) 3rd rate football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I have no idea DellDays; perhaps you could enlighten me? What were they like in the Premier League? And why is it relevant? Our overall atendances compared to the Championship are significant;y up, so why should we not expect the same with seasosn tickets?? Based on having 11.5K season ticket holders last year, having made some good signings already with more expected to follow, no points deduction, going into the season as holders of a cup, expectations of a successful season high, well regarded new owner in place, bookies favourite for promotion, I would have put a season ticket figure of 15K as a successful figure. That's not to decry the 13K we have already, which I think is reasonably decent, but pretty low when compared to Norwich last year who were in a similar position to that we are in now. it is relevant as if we sold say 15-16k season tickets whilst in the championship...why on earth would you think it would only be a success to sell that amount a whole league lower.....it just does not work like that...hence the barnets of this world gets 3k fans and up the road arsenal will get 60k fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 it is relevant as if we sold say 15-16k season tickets whilst in the championship...why on earth would you think it would only be a success to sell that amount a whole league lower.....it just does not work like that...hence the barnets of this world gets 3k fans and up the road arsenal will get 60k fans Sorry but I've no idea what point you're making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Sorry but I've no idea what point you're making. being in a league lower how on earth can you say what deems to be a success in ST sales..? hence why I was wondering if anyone knew what the sales were in the champ...more so the playoff season..!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Yes we could have sold more if it had been handled better. We have sold more than last season probably 14000 + by the start of the season not bad for league 1 would liked to see at least 15000 + but hey ho never mind. We havent seen sales as low as some predicted but they could have been a bit higher get over it ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Reality check - we are a league 1 club. I can't believe that people expect us to sell 18k+ season tickets. Yes we have great prospect of going up this year, but it's still (based on leagues) 3rd rate football. Norwich fans must have must have forgotten that they were relegated when they bought their tickets last summer then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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